/fast/ - Sonic the Hedgehog

i like to dab

There's definitely something fucky with the physics in TSR. Occasionally, hitting a slant the wrong way will send you flying, potentially also flipping you over.

fast

>>16061

>/sthg/ #29 - Green Light Ride Edition

Thread theme

>>16070

No sound's needed for an Eggdab, anon

>>16070

I made it for a halfchan thread months ago. Maybe I'll remake it later.

>>16075

Nah, the tweet where Hesse shows his drawing dates from before the trailer was shown and they decided to change how Sonic looked.

The biggest question is why is Sonic smoking a cigarette from the wrong end?

>>16077

That's part of the joke

>>16077

Look Sonic's never smoked before, no bully

>>16081

Press the heal button right before a character hits you.

>>16083

Does it make any difference which power I assign to defend? Is there any way to use that power if I do that?

>>16070

it's still epic

>>16087

>>16071

Why ask for less though?

https://twitter.com/TeamCrossFEVER/status/1132495876277121024?s=20

https://twitter.com/TeamCrossFEVER/status/1132860576059858944?s=20

This is neat. But it does give me Gatherer Battle vibes for some reason. Hopefully this doesn't got wrong and ends up showing up at SAGE someday.

>>16085

Yes, when you assign a type of power to Defend, you become immune to that type. So, if you set bombs to Defend and you run into a land mine, you'll take no damage from the explosion and actually gain a big chunk of special meter for free.

Be careful: all of that applies to enemies as well!

>>16091

Doesn't look like Gather Battle too much. Also has a lot of different characters from other franchises. Seems like it was on SAGE last year though, and it seems it's from the same people of this other fangame that was posted a while back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eWN93Oc1Oo

By the way, did that Gather Battle have multiplayer or was it only single player? Only info I can find on it now is about the malware.

>>16096

>110 titles

You really expect me to organize all that shit?

>>16098

>>16099

…I need to play more Sonic games…

>>16100

I hope this means they're improving the servers

>>16101

Which games you haven't played yet?

>wow, who knew teamwork could save the world?

Amy, you had an adventure were you LITERALLY SAVED THE WORLD VIA TEAMWORK.

>>16105

Tbh I played about the same amount of Sonic games, but I would recommend playing the original Dreamcast version of Adventure.

Or install BetterSADX for the Steam version H

>>16104

I'm glad TSR didn't flop like all the Transformfags kept shitposting about, but if there's one thing I want them to let up on is this forced friendship/team work jumbo they've been forcing in your face ever since Heroes started it. I'm not asking for ShTH tones or something, but Adventure 1 did a good job making many characters feel involved. Even Riders as well for a racing game comparison.

Idk, it just feels too shallow to me.

>>16101

Me too. How naive I was to think I had played most of them.

>>16098

How long did that take you and how many of those have you actually played?

>>16100

Damn, that's really good, though I'm scared to think what conclusion Sega might reach from this information. So not even Mania reached first place then? Not even Generations, Unleashed, or Colors, but an Olympics game 11 years ago did it?

>>16109

Took about half an hour. I haven't played quite a few of those games, but for the ones I haven't, I ranked them based on how much they offend me in terms of design.

Just beat the "main" portion of the story mode for TSR, though I haven't done all the challenges. I can't help but feel they dropped the ball on several aspects. Having to rely on AI teammates to beat many challenges is just frustrating, because the AI teammates suck. Team ultimates feel pointless unless you use them near the end of the race, and there's a lot of annoyances with using them. Despite the fact that team ultimates are supposed to give you a speed boost and make you charge through obstacles and rough terrain, weird things like failing stunts will halt you while the ultimate is still going. Not to mention, the speed increase of using one can cause small bumps/ramps to cause you to fly way off course. Finally, team ultimates end before the theme does, meaning you can't rely on the theme to let you know when it ends. Many wisps feel incredibly underpowered, except the lightning, which is worse than any blue shell, because it completely stops you for a good several seconds, and it's near-unavoidable. Speaking of being stopped, if you get hit by anything that really slows you down, there is no way to quickly recover, besides boosts made utilizing team mechanics. Get hit right before a boost arrow? The arrow will not speed you up right afterward, even though you see it activate. And it really feels like the AI cheat on harder difficulties. Having max speed stat seems to mean nothing. Except in the final world, which, for some reason, is the easiest of all the worlds, because you're racing against almost entirely egg pawns, which suck an incredible amount. I won't spoil the finale, but it's incredibly underwhelming and disappointing. To make matters worse, you have to beat the story mode if you want the three Eggman tracks.

I don't understand how they could mess so many things up, after how good All Stars Transformed was. A lot of aspects feel like a downgrade, and most of it can be blamed on them trying to push the shitty team gimmick. It's such a shame, because everything else is so good. The soundtrack is amazing. The tracks are really cool, though certain themes get repeated a bit too much (three entire tracks are just slight variations on Planet Wisp). The cast is well rounded, even if there are some bizarre decisions. Kart customization is pretty cool, though they cheaply increased the number of parts with the "legendary" variants. TSR could have been great, but it really needed more work and to drop the team gimmick.

>>16110

Keep in mind this is just initial launch. Mania got screwed over thanks to Europe's DRM shenanigans (and also how split the fanbase is to the point most fans spite its release because they cared more about what design Sonic was despite how the game played), and as for Colors and Generations, The Wii was bloated and the only reason anyone would get it is if they themselves had a Wii, and, if Unleashed convinced them enough Sonic had a chance to care about after 06. The fact "it's not 06" effect still persisted until Generations happened kinda painted the picture how fucked Sonic was thanks to that rushed trainwreak of a game.

I'm still hoping for TSR, but I'm doubtful it's going to get the actual sum of the Olympic games, which spans up to 10+ mil sales on average. Even Generations only got up to 4 mil thanks to 2/3s of it coming from the PC version when it came to Steam.

>>16114

But Sega's financial indexes listed Generations as only achieving 1.85 million sales, not 4 million.

>>16115

On consoles, and first year. They don't count sales after the first year. But it's said console + pc sales are over 3 mil.

https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic

However I was wrong about PC, by PC release it was up to 3 mil, not PC added 3 mil, that info was stated in a halfchan thread a few years back but I guess that was a lie.

>>16116

>sourceless information from a wiki

That's not very definitive.

>>16117

When did people disregard Wikis now? It's the Sonic Retro wiki, what else could you get info from? Where did you get your source?

>>16118

I personally went through all of Sega's financial indexes around 2011 until I found the most recent one to list Sonic Generations' sales. And people have always disregarded wikis, because they can be edited by anyone and anyone can put in things that have no source.

>>16114

Yes, but still, it seems unlikely it'll come close to underperforming with that kind of initial overshoot.

>The Wii was bloated

>if Unleashed convinced them enough Sonic had a chance to care about after 06

The Olympics game mentioned was also Wii exclusive and also came out even closer to 06 than any other game (Olympics was actually released in 07 and Unleashed in 08), so the 06 effect should have had even less dampening by the time of its release. 10 million sales on average sounds really excessive for that franchise but I can't go looking up sources and comparing numbers at the moment.

>>16122

Well, reminder who else shares a spot in said game? It's called MARIO and Sonic at the olpmic games, for a reason. Anything Mario gets bonus points. The fact it wasn't a broken game likely made people think Nintendo made it. I surely thought so back then, but then later realized SEGA makes the games. This game even predates Sonic in Brawl, so really, spinoff titles like Olympics isn't the best benchmark because of what it's enabling

It was released on a system nearly everyone got because of its marketing (like the Switch e.g)

It was released as a Mario title first hence the name

And it was during a time Mario and Sonic in a crossover was dreamed of, hence Sonic's near killing the internet when he was annoucned for Brawl.

In fact, these sales for TSR are for which system again? Is it in general, or are they mostly sold on the Switch? The accessiblity of the Switch gives a lot of leaway with games now, amough them are Sonic games because SEGA themselves know this. Every game since Colors had higher than expected profits for SEGA (excluding Generations) because of Nintendo's high install base. Despite Lost World's poor sales, it still sold more than half of the sales 06 got on the PS3 and Xbox, combined. Forces and Mania sold the most on

the Switch. So if the sales for TSR are booming and it's thanks to the switch, I wouldn't be so surprised. Forces had massive hype going for it and for the people that looked past the flaws older fans saw in Forces, it sold more than expected hence why SEGA stated it sold well for what went into it (which showed). Mania however got handicapped thanks to Europe throwing DRM on the PC version with a two week delay to boot. So all you had was the console version, which the Switch had the most sold copies.

>>16108

>if there's one thing I want them to let up on is this forced friendship/team work jumbo they've been forcing in your face ever since Heroes started it

I always cringe when they bring it up in new games but as you mention it's been present for so long at some point you just shrug.

>>16113

>and most of it can be blamed on them trying to push the shitty team gimmick

It always seems like they're shoehorning something (to the detriment of a game). The wisps, the teamwork concept, the character selections in different games, the characterizations, and so on.

>>16123

The sales for TSR are in general, and the last Sonic game to sell this much initially and top the charts was Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games.

I will die if TSR outsells Mania

>>16129

anon no

It'd be funny though

>>16130

no it would be tragic

https://twitter.com/crush40/status/1133364093606174720

TSR OST out tomorrow!

>>16129

I'd be surprised if it did. Mania pretty much got two releases with the Plus edition.

Even then, good Sonic stuff selling is a good thing no matter what.

>>16133

Seems like it's coming out.

https://open.spotify.com/album/2oAXc2X4cjMmsrl47XVQeh?si=BS96dQKvQna6WJBS5yoziw

>>16135

Sweet. I can"t wait for the full version for some of these remixes

Out of curiosity: Adventure 1 or Adventure 2?

>>16138

Sonic Adventure 1 overall. But Adventure 2 is better in terms of story.

Seems issues with online races was the main reason TSR got delayed, and it seems like they may have run out of time before they could fully fix it.

http://www.tssznews.com/2019/05/28/iizuka-online-issues-behind-original-tsr-delay/

>>16140

Oof. I haven't gotten TSR yet, but how bad has the online issues been?

>>16142

>Fighting three Gammas

Oh, you poor bastard. Not gonna lie, I love Battle but I fucking HATED those army of robot fights & it's something I dread everytime I go through the story modes.

>>16145

Yeah, the slower characters can definitely be a massive headache to deal with. But hey, I believe in you anon!

>>16144

The story took a back seat to the gameplay, as it should in a spinoff like this.

>>16150

>Character Development

Something the series has been lacking for years, the only exception being the comics.

>>16151

That is not a sin, my child.

>>16152

It is when the series is run by incompetent autists.

The problem with the series is, they've been trying to make it too much like Mario since '06 flopped.

The problem then and there was SEGA trying to act like Atari and start forcing deadlines to something that needs more time for refinement.

Today, it's beyond grasp. So much so, even hinting that Sonic is as fragile as anybody else gets people fired.

Try considering it this way: "Imagine if the games were anything like any of the comics…"

Character Development is nothing but a curse word now, live with it.

>>16152

Depends, lately there's been a lot of shitposts about stuff like stories, cutscenes, characterization, and pretty much everything in games that isn't gameplay. It shouldn't be though.

>>16151

>>16153

Sonic has never had good character development except for Gamma in Adventure. Tails' contributions in Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 & Knuckles were downplayed in order for his story in SA1 to be more dramatic, Amy's "development" is hardly a change at all, and Shadow just changes every so often from being "confident dark Sonic" to "amnesiac confident dark Sonic" to "angry hmphing emo with guns" to "flat hero that said one good line" to "competitive anti-hero."

>So much so, even hinting that Sonic is as fragile as anybody else gets people fired.

What are you talking about, the crying cover?

>>16155

>Tails' contributions in Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 & Knuckles were downplayed in order for his story in SA1 to be more dramatic

Tails's "contributions" were helping Sonic on his journey. He wasn't truly independent, he was assisting someone who could save the world when he truly felt like he couldn't.

>Amy's "development" is hardly a change at all

"Screw being a damsel in distress" isn't a change?

>>16155

Doubtful, since Penders was seemingly already on his way out by the time #155 happened.

To be honest I don't think Sonic characters need a whole load of development, but some simple character growth would be nice to see. One of the big examples I can think of is the use of Tails in Forces, as Sonic's absence would have been a really good way to have him step up in a sense. Sonic & Buddy being the main team in the game I didn't really have much of an issue with, but I still think him being useless without Sonic around was a big step backwards for him.

>>16156

Amy's character did undergo a change in SA1, but to be fair, she has still found herself in trouble needing rescue after her story. Biggest example being Adventure 2, when Eggman held her hostage

>>16157

>I still think him being useless without Sonic around was a big step backwards for him.

This. I wanted so bad for Forces to take a Gurren Lagann approach and have Tails become the leader and start acting like a real adult for once.

Holy shit, considering this wasn't re rendered it looks great. Taking into account the kind of movie it's going to be and that it's probably going to be pretty awful regardless of how Sonic looks, would you be okay with them budging and including an accurate depiction of Sonic and maybe doing some other small changes to try to improve its reception? I feel doing something like that may make it step out of the zone of 'ridiculously bad products that nobody cares about and may eventually be forgotten' and into the zone of 'products which are bad but some people take seriously' and I don't know how that makes me feel.

>>16160

The design actually looks pretty solid.

The movie would probably still be mediocre, but i would prefer something like this, since it would just turn it into a forgettable kind of film instead of something that would live in infamy among the fandom.

>>16161

>>16160

>>16162

I think way, way too many people are complaining about the design. The design is really bad, yes, but that is not even close to the worst part about the movie. The worst part being that it's garbage and barely has anything to do with Sonic. It doesn't look like a Sonic movie, it looks like a movie with Sonic in it.

>>16162

>forgettable kind of film

If the movie does well enough there's every chance it'll become a series of movies instead of one that'll just be forgotten. That was actually the original plan and I think there has been some hints that they still mean it.

>>16163

People are focusing on it because it is pretty shocking in itself and because it is the most shocking thing we've seen so far. Maybe when they show a few more scenes people will complain about that too, though some people apparently only care about Carrey or some other specific thing so I doubt they'll give a shit even then.

>>16149

No it didn't. It nabbed both the final boss and escape sequence from the gameplay, then didn't even have the decency to use those things, itself.

>>16171

Ouch, what's the stats on your toaster?

>>16171

Wait for the low-end mod to come out

Stram

So today I learned Earth can be seen in TSR.

And I guess Earth is a thing in Sonic again

>>16178

Those Sonic plushies are cute, but gah damn, that green screen

>>16181

I was about to post that

So this is from a licensing magazine. Honestly everything is possible. It's likely a game is coming out in 2021 but considering this is Sega maybe this was just done by someone from marking and Sonic Team will conveniently forget about it until 2020. Or maybe they have everything planned for a major release in 2021 and a smaller one before that. They did take 4 years for Forces so it's not impossible to think they'll take another 4 years for the next game as well and aim straight for 2021.

So, will the 2021 game be another reboot attempt?

>>16182

I don't see it as a reboot attempt, but I can see them trying to use the 30th anniversary titles to show where the series is gonna be going forward, form both Modern & Classic Sonic.

Speaking with all sincerity, I would be amazed if we don't get the announcement of a Mania follow-up & a Modern game within the next 12-16 months. And tbh, I really hope the next Modern game features no Classic Sonic

>>16183

Mania did great in every aspect so I'm sure we're going to get some sort of follow up eventually… problem is if they can actually interpret what it is everyone loved about it and not end up ruining it. Also, given how highly praised Mania was and how much a follow up would be anticipated, it's gonna be tricky for Sonic Team not to end up disappointing. I just feel it'd be very easy for them to miss the point of it and introduce things which would make a lot of people bitter. Hell, I think even if they didn't do any major fuck ups people could still be disappointed if it didn't end up being spectacular just because of how anticipated it'd be.

>I can see them trying to use the 30th anniversary titles to show where the series is gonna be going forward

>yfw Modern's game is another game about reliving past events

>yfw it's actually Generations 2

I mean, a lot of people would want something different but everything is kind of up in the air for Modern at the moment. They don't have a tried and tested formula they can use for a title like they had for Generations at the moment, so it wouldn't be strange for them to do a second take thinking it would just work. They kind of did something like that already for Forces, where (if I remember correctly) they abandoned boost after Generations because of how expensive it was to develop boost maps and how they just thought it had run its course, but came back to it after the reception Lost World got.

>>16177

But was it "Earth" you saw or was it Sonic's world?

>>16187

It's probably just an easter egg.

>>16188

I suppose it could be

Or we're just seeing one of the 2 worlds

>>16188

More like a bug

>>16174

Yeah, this is my best bet.

>>16181

See >>14096

>>16184

I hope they do something new and ambitious for 2021 instead of another "hey remember when Sonic was good? Green Hill :)" anniversary game.

>>16198

I'm just gonna pretend I didn't waste this whole week, and draw some sonic stuff. I've got a test comic script that I wanna give a go at.

>>16198

Gonna play some more Sonic Battle.

Not gonna lie, I did forget just how fun beating the shit out of everyone can be when you give Emerl Ultimate moves.

>>16200

My Battle nigga. Is there any way to play together?

>>16201

I dunno, tbh.

Maybe there's Parsec, but I dunno if that plays GBA games

>>16197

Well, it was said before that Sonic Mania will have some influence on the next Sonic title, but I always hesitate when it comes to statements like that.

I mean, I'd like to see a positive influence, but I'm afraid the pillar team may learn the wrong lesson. But who knows? SEGA's big restructuring could have a huge effect on who makes the next title.

>>16204

I love it

Amy, Omega & Eggman

>>16205

What a weird team, they'd tear each other apart. Well, they'd mostly tear Eggman apart I guess.

>>16204

Shadow, Rouge and Blaze!

>pick matchmaking

>no matches found and creates new lobby

>no one joins

Is the online for TSR on PC already dead?

>>16210

I hope the 2021 game looks like this

lmao Why does Dr. Robotnik have an own page in latin? Whoever did this deserves a promotion

https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Eggman

>>16212

sonic has one too but yeah thats amazing

>>16208

I can't unfortunately, mainly because Cali's too far out.

That being said, is anything special expected to happen there?

>>16212

Why is there a Latin Wikipedia?

So what was the first piece of Sonic external media you guys ever followed? I remember X actually playing a big part in making a Sonic fan around the early-mid 2000s, before discovering Archie after Penders was replaced.

>>16216

There's a Wikipedia for every language, IIRC.

Not sure if they all have a Sonic page or not, however.

>>16218

X as well. I became a fan rather late and went through a list of things I could watch/play to decide how to start getting my feet wet with the franchise. I was surprised to see there were Sonic TV shows since I didn't remember hearing of any before, so I was curious and thought it was best to start with one of them, and X was the last one made so I decided to start there. You could say it had a similar effect to you, I'm still here after all.

What would you consider Sonic "external media" to be? Just the TV shows, Archie, and the brit comic?

>>16219

>Just the TV shows, Archie, and the brit comic?

Eh, just any Sonic product outside of the SEGA games

>>16219

>The TV shows (AoStH, SatAM, Underground, X, Boom) and their associated tie-in products

>The OVAs

>the movies (Christmas Blast, the upcoming theatrical film)

>Archie comics

>Sonic the Comic

>IDW comics

>>16218

Archie? It depends on what you mean by "followed". As a kid, I rented a few tapes of AoStH, and eventually got a tape with three Zelda episodes and one Underground episode, but I never really payed much regular attention to any external media until The Ride.

>>16223

Oh yeah, there's a lot of lines like that in Battle.

Ngl it's not something I think should be in EVERY game, but I'd like some banter like this in some titles,

https://www.sonicstadium.org/2019/06/funko-sonic-the-hedgehog-breakfast-cereal-coming-to-gamestop/

So today I learned that Sonic is getting new breakfast cereal

>>16228

I wanted to know the price but I couldn't find it. It sounds like a really awkward product. It contains a figure so it must be expensive so you won't have incentive to keep buying, and it can't be bought at supermarkets.

>>16229

That figure looks tiny. It's probably no more costly than any other cereal box toy.

>>16229

For me, the weirdest thing about it is that it's being sold at Gamestop of all places. I mean, you'd think they would try to sell it on the SEGA shop like the Sonic toaster, or something else.

>>16231

It's Funko, so I wouldn't blame SEGA if they didn't want it in their own store.

>>16231

It was probably not their initiative and Gamestop may be paying for exclusivity.

>>16232

Well, despite being ugly it's popular. Or do you mean something else?

>>16233

Just that Funko is bad taste.

>>16234

Oh. Well, they're a pretty popular item so I can't really fault them for it, although I wish the eyes weren't so weird.

>>16236

Rude! I can't unsee Sonic's nose area looking like a real hedgehog in that gif

>>16240

If the speed of a character's heal has a higher speed rating, it basically means their heal is faster. Like Emerl's Ultimate Heal only takes like 3 seconds to fill up your health bar, even if you're one hit away from being defeated

>Isn't just just as gone though?

Yeah… poor rat

>>16241

Yes, but that's what I meant. Amy's heal skill is supposed to be better than Tails' but it's cheaper to use and has less stars, so it doesn't make a lot of sense. I also swear it heals slower, but I have no idea how to measure it. I've also noticed this with other moves, not just with healing.

>spoiler

Damn, talk about fast. And I thought Tails was a bitch because of how fast he healed, though on the other hand it basically amounts to nothing because of how everyone just kills you in 1 combo at this point.

>>16224

Not only it's fun but also I can't remember when was the last time dialogue in a Sonic game surprised me. But yeah, I get what you mean.

>>16240

>>16241

He's right now in fancomic purgatory. Better than Fiona, who's dead even in fancomic purgatory.

>>16242

Yeah, that bit is kinda odd. I love Battle, but the oddity of how much the points costs is pretty confusing & something I've never really been able to properly get.

>>16245

Have you 100% it?

I need help, /fast/. I want to get into the comics, but I don’t know where to start. I’ve read the first six issues of Sonic the Comic and they’re all shit. Thanks in advance.

>>16248

Sorry to hear you didn't like Fleetway, anon. I enjoy it, but it's not something that'll appeal to everyone.

But what comics in particular are you looking to read? Archie, IDW, one of the mangas?

>>16249

Not sure, I don’t know any of those series really well. If it helps, I’m a classicfag.

>>16248

>>16250

If you're a classic-fag, you'd like Archie's Sonic Mega Drive. Unfortunately, Archie dropped the Sonic license before it was finished, so you'll be left on an unresolved story.

Fleetway (the one you read) is probably the closest to classic you'll get, otherwise. It's based on the Genesis games and the western Sonic bible, with a bunch of original bits, as well. It ends with its rather loose adaptation of Sonic Adventure. Archie's Sonic starts out as basically Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, but with the SatAM setting and cast, only to get more serious and plot-focused, takes a huge downturn in quality for a very long time, only starts getting better from 2006's issues (so well after it adopted the Adventure style), then got rebooted into a comic that kinda fused most of the games and cartoons into one setting, only to be canceled when Archie dropped the license. IDW's current comic starts right at the end of Forces, and seems to basically be set in the current depiction of the "modern" games' universe.

>>16253

Just to clarify, since I don't think I really made it clear, Archie's Sonic Mega Drive is an entirely different series from Archie's Sonic the Hedgehog. Mega Drive was started near the end of Archie's run, and was written to basically be a new classic game in comic form. It has no continuity with the main Archie series.

Also, Archie did a Sonic X comic series for 4Kids. It would entirely separate from the main comic series, except, at the very end, it crosses over with the main line in order to lead into Sonic Universe, which was a side-series that took place in the main Archie-verse, but focused on characters that weren't Sonic.

>>16256

Saved for further reference. Thanks.

>>16255

You made it clear enough that it was a separate series. I’ll save that one for when I get bored of the main series. Also, who is Ken Penders and why do I see his name mentioned whenever Archie is brought up?

>>16259

Sorry for the newfaggotry friend. I don’t feel like browsing Google for some repetitive article on the subject.

>>16258

I won't spoil much for you as it's something you absolutely HAVE to experience raw & spoiler-free.

But I will say this: There is a reason why he lives is remembered among Archie Sonic readers. His era was something truly, truly special.

>>16260

No need to apologize, m8. Trust me, you'll remember him once you're done with his era

>>16260

Oh, no problem. It's just that his is quite the story. Unfortunately I can't elaborate right now but I'm certain others will do it much better than I could anyway.

>>16263

Huh. Not him, but I didn't know about MD being canon to Archie. But all the same, it's still something you can read on its own.

>>16251

You forgot to mention the pre-reboot fan continuation mate:

http://archiesoniconline.com/

>>16268

I don't think anyone's going to deny that Ken didn't have any interesting ideas or stories.

But for me (& I'm only speaking for myself, as I want the anon looking to get into the comics to form his opinion on Ken), but a lot of his biggest flaws comes down to the execution of said idea.

>>16268

I think Ian's always been mediocre, even during the ""Golden Age."" There are so many better writers at Archie and IDW instead of Ian "No one else gets to write more than one arc/story" Flynn.

>>16270

>There are so many better writers at Archie and IDW instead of Ian

Who would you say is better (out of everyone that has written a Sonic issue)? Hardmode: no Aleah

>>16271

Yardley was pretty good when he wrote that one Universe arc.

>>16271

Tracy Yardley and Evan Stanley. Caleb Goellner and Gigi Dutreix would also be nice to see more of.

>>16271

Not sure if I prefer them outright to Ian, but I do like Yardley & Evan's work.

Despite his flaws, I still enjoy Ian's writing, however I do think it kinda sucks that the aforementioned writers don't get to do more than a couple of arcs/issues here & there.

https://twitter.com/EveningStarStdo/status/1135633002975748098

So this is happening

>>16275

Jeez, they let anyone into E3 these days.

Just kidding! I wonder what they're up to. But what is it they're going there to do? A panel/talk? I can't find any reference to their company on the E3 page.

>>16268

I was about to agree with you about Ian, until I saw your pictures, which I really hope you don't actually think are examples of what you're talking about. Knuckles being a hot-head is not at all out of character, Shadow responding to Knuckles's hot-headedness with a fight isn't out of character, and Sonic & Knuckles are supposed to be bumping heads on occasion, because they still have a rivalry going on. And your second pic is barely an argument. It's just Amy calling out Shadow for being a jerk (which he is).

And, yes, Ken was always shit. Even before endgame. His writing was always full of plot holes and stupid ideas. He just got a pass because the people reading the comic were kids with barely any standards and blinded by the presence of their favorite blue hedgehog, and the people in charge of the comic barely cared about what he wrote.

> Penders was not regarded with this much disdain.

He was still very disliked, even if it wasn't to the degree it is today. You seem to be forgetting that one of the reasons the lawsuit upset people so much was because they believed the comic was finally good after the period that was already commonly referred to as the "dark ages", something they considered him largely responsible for. Don't act like Ken's work was tolerated until the lawsuit, because that isn't true. Are you forgetting Mobius 25 Years Later? Green Knuckles? Microwaved baby?

>>16276

I dunno if they're gonna announce it, but I'd like to see a new game being revealed.

>>16277

Nice pic. I wanna push those boxes on top of him

>>16280

>world like this

The Archie-verse wasn't the game-verse (what little that means). It was quite a bit darker and more dramatic than the games, for better or worse, well before Ian came onboard.

>>16282

That's true, but with the new direction Ian was slowly but surely taking the book in and the mass cleanup of so many of Penders's concepts, especially after #175, he had every opportunity to cut down on the dramatic and dark world of SatAM that Archie kept trying to emulate. Then he had the opportunity again with #225, and then again with the reboot. Instead, he found whatever means possible to double down on SatAM's dark and dramatic worldbuilding and characterizations in the face of these canonically simple, cartoony characters, and this is all because he's frustrated with the limited opportunities the gameverse gives him. The only difference between his approach and Ken's is his execution isn't mind-numbingly boring and awful. He still keeps trying to make these characters fit more with what he wants them to be, and it just doesn't work. Remember when he wanted Metal Sonic to be his own character with a personality, to where SEGA had to put their foot down and tell him how dumb that was?

I'm not going to say that SEGA's characterization is ideal nor do I want Sonic to be happy fun times in Ronald McDonald Land. On the contrary, I think the tone Pontaff have created is no less than poison for this franchise. Rewriting these characters to have more than two dimensions, let alone one, is a noble effort but this is not the way to do it.

>>16281

Mean? Probably, but Sonic deserves it

Huh.

Forgot yesterday was SEGA's 59th anniversary

Is anybody working on a romhack or fangame featuring Ray with his Mania moveset? I really liked how his flying worked and how if you got gud at it you could blaze through levels.

>>16291

I see no reason why someone wouldn't.

But I don't know what kind of Sonic 2/3/3K/CD mods are being worked on at the moment.

>>16291

Go check Sonic Retro or SSRG. If anyone is doing one they're probably over there

>>16294

If the shipping is free, I'll consider it

i mean yeah, 8 bucks is much more than most boxes of cereal, but all the same, it IS Sonic cereal.

>>16066

epics

>>16295

/r/ing a pic of anon being hypnotized by Sonic into buying his merch. I can buy like 3-4kg of cereal with 8 dollars here

>>16298

>Tetris as a bonus game

Man, I thought that was something that'd be a game included already.

>>16298

Pretty good collection. Wish they had included Thunderforce IV, though.

>>16300

I only remember the ones from Sonic 2, only because I've played it so much that I either did them intentionally or just accidentally hit them that much. The intentional one being retaining control of Sonic after a signpost by jumping offscreen as he's supposed to run off automatically. The accidental one is one spot in Chemical Plant Act 2 where you can pick up ridiculous speed really easy and end up in a wall.

>>16302

>Glitches are just Robotnik's traps

Kek, that's something I'm surprised they haven't used again, tbh.

>>16304

They're not as smart nowadays.

>>16305

Eh, sad but true

>>16293

Do you need to sign in for Sonic Retro's forum's search feature to appear?

>>16309

I think you might have to use be a member, but from what I remember it's pretty easy to find threads without the search engine.

>>16314

I think there's gonna be some type of thing coming next month or at August.

But the movie delay has kinda slowed the news cycle for Sonic around places, which I suppose is a bittersweet type of deal.

>>16317

I remember someone saying that the pic looks like it was drawn by Tyson Hesse.

At first I thought the person was overthinking it, but the more I see the pic the more I can kinda see a little bit of his style.

You guys are kinda cool

>>16289

That video looks so pretentious.

>>16326

That looks dumb as hell

>candy, chicks

I hope that's not the half they copied.

>>16314

When Evening Star announces Mania 2 at E3

>>16328

I'd be incredibly pleased/surprised if we get a Mania-related announcement there, tbh.

Isn't SEGA expected to do something E3 related this time around?

>>16329

Probably nothing will be sonic related

>>16328

Yeah, I wish but it's a bit naive to think they will do that. Maybe they'll talk about some of the other games they're collaborating on, like Freedom Planet 2 and (if I remember correctly) Spark.

>>16332

That's sick

>>16334

Please don't get my hopes up anon, I'd buy a game like that day one.

>>16332

Very nice! What kind of merch is it going to be used for?

>>16334

>everything is hand drawn Tyson Hesse style (a man can dream)

Not with you there but it would at least be fun watching the world burn.

>>16336

Bags and shirts.

>>16337

I would a Sonic/Shadow bag. It's something most people wouldn't think twice about and I'd be able to carry with me and use, unlike pretty much everything else which would be too evident. JP Sonic bags are super cool too.

>>16347

Good morning anon. Thank god it's Friday. I have to prepare for a move so I don't know if I'm going to have time for Sonic but I'll try to make some.

I really wish there were more animations with Uekawa-style Sonic.

Apparently, M&S 2020 is gonna be playable at E3: https://www.sonicstadium.org/2019/06/mario-sonics-tokyo-olympics-will-be-playable-at-e3-2019/

>>16352

Huh, learn something new everyday. Kinda wish they made these kind of character themes a thing again, tbh. It was nice that Infinite got one, but I'd like to see more from the series.

>>16357

Hope we get video of some gameplay

>>16358

I haven't played any of the Olympics games, what's the difference between them? Do they feature different Olympic games?

>>16359

>far right

Chip x Lumina fusion?

>>16360

I've only played one of them for an extremely short time so I can't really say much

>>16362

IIRC, the 2016 featured some kind of story mode & they add in some neat little games.

There's not a whole lot of differences between tiles, but they're solid enough party games.

>>16359

Cute Sonics

>>16360

Long story short, at the early days the difference was between different season based sporting events with increasing improvements to the game's quality each sequel, to the latest 2 taking out fun features like Dream events and making the games more and more stale after the Sochi one. The handheld ones are like some story driven party game version or something like that.

Imo, I only cared for the first 2, mainly the first one because it's the first time Mario and Sonic was in the first game together officially (Smash was like a year later.) Anything after felt pointless to me novalty wise. I'd rather get a legit platforming crossover game, but Miyamoto doesn't want anything that does what Mario already does, either for quality control reasons, or just for the principle. Hence why the Rabbid game was a tactical XCOM like game pitched by Ubisoft and he allowed it.

>>16365

Cute!

>>16364

I always wonder why the Olympics were decided to be the setting for a Mario & Sonic crossover series. I get that conflicting visions & not wanting to compete with Mario Party/Kart kinda narrows the field down, but it's still odd that's what Nintendo & SEGA went with.

https://twitter.com/SEGAbits/status/1137132287923957762

Happy 15th anniversary, Sonic Advance 3.

Holy shit, 15 years already???

>>16368

Time sure does fly by when you're having fun!

I've wasted my life.

>>16368

If 2004 being 15 years ago is news to you, I wonder how you'd react to 1999 being 20 years ago.

>>16347

I went ahead and pre-ordered the Sonic CD vinyl records. Planning on listening to the SA1&2 and Mania vinyls I have a bit later.

>>16371

Sweet. I'm hoping we get more vinyl records of Game OSTs. Sonic Heroes has some of my favorite level themes in the series, I'd love one for that game.

>>16372

With CD, that's 5 Sonic games that have vinyls. Mania, SA1, SA2, Forces, and now CD.

I know Mania sold really well with multiple reprints. Not sure about SA1 & SA2, but the special edition sold out immediately. Not sure on Forces.

But the fact they keep putting them out makes me hopeful that they'll keep having them made. I'd love to have a remastered Sonic Rush vinyl.

https://twitter.com/nefault1st/status/1137377014002913281?s=20

>>16379

That is a pretty cool way to promote SA2.

Pretty hard, but I'm curious as to how SEGA would've been able to do something like this with more recent titles.

>>16378

Antoine's eyes in the top panel is fucking weird

>>16381

SEGA's pretty lenient on fan projects. I only see this getting taken down if they're also working on a Sonic-maker type game.

>>16381

Damn, that looks good.

Thankfully, SEGA isn't as stringent as Nintendo when it comes to fan-games so they'll probably make their own Sonic maker game & maybe hire this dude to be part of the team

>>16382

Yes, but this doesn't look like a fan project, it looks professional and it comes at a time where they just got started trying to capitalize on 2D Sonic. Hopefully nothing bad happens though.

>>16381

If they was Nintendo sure. If they didn't CnD'd Taxman, why would they do the same here? Hell it's thanks to Taxman they have classic Sonic gameplay back properly.

>>16386

Maybe Devolver, because their presentations tend to be blatant shitposts, but I usually don't watch E3. I just wait for everyone else to start talking about what was shown.

>>16386

Maybe the Nintendo one, but the rest I'll just wait until after E3.

>>16375

>Wall Jumping

Hey, that's something I don't see often in these projects. Neat.

>>16381

Looks like the kind of project that takes at least five years to finish.

>>16390

What show?

>>16365

Fun to throw

>>16367

I've always wondered if Shadow needs sleep.

>>16391

Breaking Bad

>>16393

I knew that they played Sonic 06 of all games, before, but this one is news to me.

>>16386

I'll probably watch one of the people who restream and talk over it. More entertaining that way.

>>16395

>More entertaining that way.

More than watching it with everyone else in /v/?

Holy shit PSO2 in the west

>>16397

Oh shit, they're finally bringing it to the West?

Took SEGA long enough

I was just thinking, have you ever missed out on some Sonic merch and regretted it deeply?

>>16399

I hope it ends up being what people wanted, but in vidya odds are always against it.

>>16400

Consistently, since The Ride I think (~2014), if you consider generals as communities. Before that I think I tried some other normalfag communities but they sucked.

>>16400

Me since 2017.

>>16400

I dunno, 10ish years, probably.

Anyone paid attention to Sonic Revolution today? How did it go?

>>16404

From what I've checked, it seems like everyone's had a good time.

Although Hesse not being able to make it this year disappointed some people

>>16406

Any explanation as to why they decided to go with the dying console?

>>16400

Counting the likes of the old SonicHQ site? At least 16 years, shit.

>>16397

>>16406

What the hell was holding them up.

>>16410

Damn, how old are you?

>>16410

>What the hell was holding them up.

Spite, maybe, considering SoJ didn't want any western players on the JP version. And, considering what it's being released on, Microsoft is probably desperate for something that will actually sell and paid off SEGA to bring it to the west.

>>16411

Got my first Sonic game a few years after my family got their first computer and internet, so:

25. I don't think I'm that old. Been with Sonic since I was 7 at the earliest

>>16415

I really wonder what they do outside of the stadiums…

>Did they get scammed in Beijing back in '08?

>Did they get raped by Arabs in London back in '12?

>Did they get robbed by Uzi-wielding Flip-Flops on Scooters back in Brazil?

It's these things that get me curious.

Also:

>Was there a doping scandal involving some of the "weaker characters"?

It's these questions that kept me awake at night as a kid…

I'll just leave this here…

>>16420

You're way too slow. It's been posted and discussed already.

>>16418

Are there really that many game characters currently in that state? I feel like lately a lot have been revived and not many noteworthy ones remain dead.

>>16422

AFAIK, it seems like these characters are probably as good as gone (at least for now):

>Honey

>Zeena

>Zazz

>Zor

>Zik

>Zomom

>Marine

>Gamma

>Tikal (Runners aside)

>Mephiles (Runners aside)

>Chip (Runners aside)

>Elise

>Wendy Witchcart

>Emerl

Just counting the games, of course. If we're including external Sonic media, there's also all of the characters from the Archie & Fleetway comics, Sticks (seemingly), the Sonic X characters etc.

>>16426

>Honey

Literally not even a character in the games.

>Zazz

He was just in M&S at Rio 2016.

>Wendy Witchcart

A Classic Sonic character with no place in Modern Sonic. Wait for Mania 2 if you want to see her again.

>>16428

Marine is in Rush Adventure. Rush is Blaze's debut.