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Is being opposed to the capitalist class while not giving in to idpol trickery (that includes white nationalism) is most based form of punk that could exist today anons?
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No.56932
>>56879
>conformity culture is the REAL nihilistic nonconformity culture!
Yeah…… Ohkay.
Just so you're clear, there are no conditions under which "punk" and "conformity/traditionalist cultures" are the same. If the overculture becomes atomic to a fault and left-wing, that just means that nobody is punk.
Colored hair was an indicator of a probably-interesting personality from the 50's through the late 90's. Conformity for women was _so_ important, that a little thing like weird hair was a serious indicator that the woman with it didn't care about mainstream culture at all.
That horrid trope of sci-fi worlds showing that they're sci-fi by having normal women with purple hair being _true_ doesn't mean that most women live entirely outside the surrounding culture any more. It just means that colored hair doesn't mean shit.
If one thing exists in opposition to the mainstream and the mainstream adopts it, the thing dies. That's it.
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No.56943
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No.56944
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No.56954
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No.56972
Tfw Nazis were punks the whole time.
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No.56985
>>56932
Dude, that's the thing. Punk was never really about being anti establishment or of a particular ideology, though many early punks were pure anarchists who believed that governments and social systems were simply holding people back from pure freedom.
What punk has always been about is going your own way. Doing what YOU feel is right for yourself, not what anyone else says. Want a country farmhouse? Fuck it, do it. Want a Nuclear family and a white picket fence? Fine. Do that. Want a run down tenement house and a fuckload of smack? Fine, do that. It was about doing what you wanted to do and not letting anyone else tell you not to. This was part of why in the mid to late 80s you saw a lot of people like Henry Rollins going against the punk grain and growing their hair long and integrating elements of jazz and funk into their music and why you saw the rise of the Goth subculture by mixing punk with glam rock: The punk norm of short spiky hair and the same shitty clothing as everyone else became a uniform, the musical formulas of 3 minute songs played without technique became boring and overdone.
I say this as someone who still considers himself to be a punk and/or goth at nearly 31 years of age. Punk became a formula, and that formula has been morphed into something leftist and authoritarian around the same time that the mass media started learning they could profit off of it.
At this point, being punk can simply be relegated to liking punk music and not doing the shit the TV tells you to do.
I'm certainly no christian right winger, but politically I have a hell of a lot more in common with them than I do with modern liberals. I consider myself a libertarian more than anything else, and if the NAP wasn't such a stupid fucking idea I'd be all for anarcho-capitalism.
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No.56994
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No.56995
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No.57039
>>56985
This is the most lucid I've read on this in over 2 years of lurking.
Doing what you want, figuring out things for yourself from what to eat, read, do to what to believe morally or spiritually, that's what I understand as being punk. Sure, the mainstream created and sold a product made out of this, but it doesn't mean it's "over". Also, punk is just another piece in a long string of thought that values individualism, curiosity, and questioning things. Two names that come to mind are Seneca and Thoreau.
The majority of people are conditioned to jump through hoops. Our education system is joke. Getting a STEM degree doesn't make anyone a scientist, getting an MBA doesn't make anyone a leader/entrepreneur, getting an english degree doesn't make anyone a poet. All of this is about jumping through hoops and playing at X appreciation, eg. an MBA is a study in business appreciation, humanity degrees are humanity appreciation degrees etc. Getting a degree in music won't help you create good music.
I'm rambling a bit. What I mean to say is that the most important thing to be is a doer. Labels of any kind are stupid. If you interact with your world, are part of a community, solve problems, avoid getting sucked into meaningless academia, and ignore all the bullshit tribal politics, you're winning.
From this vantage point, everything that's happening is a bunch of peasants shouting and throwing shit at each other like monkeys. What matters is doing. In a world full of obese, lazy people, exercising, reading, investing, creating anything, organizing a community is revolutionary.
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No.57058
>>56473
>capitalist class
Who isn't part of that class anyway? are you writing this from a soviet-era PC assembled in a state-owned factory OP? do you pay brouzouf for everything you have? do you own anything at all? then you're a capitalist
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No.57063
>>57058
What? That's not how this works, buddy. You don't get to
say 'IF YOU OWN THINGS YOU'RE A CAPITALIST!' That's absolutely retarded beyond words. Capitalists are those who own the means of production. This is so painfully basic.
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No.57064
"Capitalism" maybe a leftist conspiracy theory. Every western political system and the culture is full of other ideas and ideals and non-profit oriented companies also exist. On the other hand human greed and economic interests exist independent from anything related to capital.
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No.57094
>>56789
>These days, a growing part of the country thinks that compassion is the important core of public morality. It doesn't matter who you are or how you express yourself as long as you extend that same celebratory apathy to others and shit like that
Literally nobody thinks like that. There's a simple litmus test, and that's the line where they tilt and become intolerant, invariably claiming that they are being intolerant of intolerance, which is of course a contradiction. It turns out that relativism is bullshit and everybody knows it, but some are lying to themselves and eachother. But nobody tolerates anything.
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No.57110
>>57063
<Capitalists are those who own the means of production.
>Capitalist
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No.57116
>>57094
Stupid cunt detected.
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No.57119
>>56489
Support your own hierarchy the problem is not it exists but that the current one is weak. Hierarchys are needed but it should be the strong leading the weak not vice versa. Even Hitler viewed revoultion as a duty if the state was leading the nation to it's death as it is now.
Smash the system, Save your race!
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No.57129
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No.57132
>>56489
Then you try to figure out, in which way they are being full of it. Having an idea of the real power structures and pecking order is a prerequisite for this (Moldbug did most of the work on high level, but it's not set in stone).
But yeah, it's funny how the fake underdog thing got stretched so far, it created trigglypuff and trigglyprof, yet the dead horse is still spurred on. "Be the Tru Rebel, party with ONE Foundation", lol.
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No.57134
Race matters now, in terms of genes and such, but maybe not in a cyber future. Interesting to consider where the millienia deep human instinct of race loyalty will manifest when gene editing and functional body modification becomes common. Sounds crazy, but that's near future shit.
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No.57135
>>57134
Assuming gene editing had reached a certain proficiency, I think it could be easily redirected by designing persons that appeared to be a certain race by superficial characteristics, while the rest were anything but.
It seems sorta simple and primitive, but consider that this instinct itself runs so deep because it is simple and primitive, and is so widespread because it was a beneficial trait.
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No.57136
What's punk today? That's easy.
>wanting a gf/wife of the same race as you
>wanting 2-3+ kids with her
>wanting a stable future for all that
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No.57143
>>56473
punk was originally a derogative term which meant outsider, or one who is outside of the status quo.
the status quo which is pushed by the federal government, big corps, big tech, colleges etc is: inclusion, LGBTQ+, diversity, open borders, anti-gun, anti-free speech, consuming soy and/or bugs, living in an urban environment, pro abortion, anti-Tradition, anti-White, anti-Man etc
the left is mainstream, Ethno-Nationalists are the only punks left. Antifa is fully supported by CNN, RT, Pepsi, the federal government (none of the inauguration day antifa rioters were prosecuted, instead only nationalists are being hunted) and cancel culture is specifically one way = anti-White.
The culture jamming/creation of White nationalists is the most widespread example of cyberpunk in current year. read it and weep shazbots
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No.57144
>>56709
>Punk is indifference in the face of looming apocalypse
the sex pistols weren't thinking about apocalypse, they were upset about the economy and how detached/cruel the ruling classes were. they had no other voice but to rebel on the local level.
now, the ruling classes have realized THEY WANT radical individualism, because individuals are easier to rule/round up. they are afraid of homogeneous unified militant GROUPS. hence there constant push for diversity and demonizing of ethno-Nationalism.
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No.57145
>>56721
>I feel like you must be someone who came of age after 9/11. It's always weird how you folks see things.
ok boomer
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No.57155
>>57145
<hate your elders, goy
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No.57221
>>56664
It's not. A bunch of losers wanna think themselves special snowflakes for behaving the way 90% of the population has behaved since forever. They've spent so much time being brainwashed in their internet echo chambers they think there's anything the least bit rebellious about being straight, having kids and not getting a tattoo. Of course none of those things are bad, but trying to say that's the counterculture is like saying drinking Coca Cola is counterculture. As if the "conservative is the new punk rock" people weren't dumb enough, there's the "fascism is punk rock" idiots. Sure buddy, punk rock is all about sucking up to authority and conformity, as long as it makes you unpopular with tumblr user translesbiankuriboh.
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No.57224
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No.57225
>>57221
Other than the fact out of touch boomer lefties are now in power and won't leave people alone that is. It's all about who actually holds the power in a society, not whether or not x thing has a history of being accepted.. To put it simply, when "the man" has made it their duty to crack down on shit- anyone who opposes that is the quote unquote counterculture. Parading around that label however, is retarded as fuck though. Just live by your convictions even if the corps and feds decide you doing so is inconvenient for them.
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No.57228
>>57225
>Other than the fact out of touch boomer lefties are now in power and won't leave people alone that is.
Lefties aren't in power. Republicans have the presidency, the supreme court, and a majority of legislative seats. There may be a tiny handful of Democrats who are knocking on the door of leftism, but the vast majority of Dem politicians are Republican-lite. Our police and military sure as fuck aren't lefty. And despite putting on the facade of being progressive, most of the Hollywood and tech elite prioritize capitalism above all else.
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No.57229
>>57228
Uh huh.
Reality is, most "right-wing" politicians are at best lefty-lite- with their globalism and neolib/neocon tendencies barely even being bothered to be hidden. Getting a politician that falls out of the center-left/nanny state bubble DC has become is quite a rarity these days. At best you get a guy who acknowledges surface-level nationalism or gun rights issues- but then promptly forgets about them.
As for the media, they sometimes put on a half-convincing facade of caring about brouzouf- but they're so idealogically driven these days they've forgotten the basic purpose of a business and lost brouzouf as a result. Things would be much better if the megacorps were remotely interested in profit anymore- instead of playing social engineer in an attempt to bring about one of many failed utopian ideals.
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No.57231
>>57221
holy shit someone on this board doesn't have soykaf for brains
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No.57240
>>57221
>implying things didn't change
>literally 2020
It's clear that you are the one out of touch with reality.
Look around, fucker, the world is different. Women have priority at everything, if you don't let foreigners enter your country you're a nazi, it's common for people to mutilate themselves because "muh true body".
Wake the fuck up, samurai. We're heading to the cyberpunk future we've always wanted and it just happens that one of the tribes present there are true conservatives.
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No.57242
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No.57251
>>56489
If you were actually punk and believed in destroying authority and hierarchy, you’d be glad comrades are promoting it as the mainstream, otherwise you’re just a soulless contrarian without substance and deciding to be a conservative bootlicker just because it’s not the most mainstream thing (even though it is, look who’s president).
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No.57252
>>57240
>hurr durr conservatives are the true oppressed one look at my flawed talking points, also, dickride the state
He’s right though. Also, No mainstream democrat ever called for literal open borders retard. You conservacucks are the flip side of the same “sjw’s” you claim to hate, the only difference is political orientation.
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No.57253
>>57242
You conservatards lack any self thought that you would all easily pass as bots programmed to relay reactionary talking points which are all flawed. Go back to facebook politics and the country club, conservative bootlicker
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No.57254
>yOuR'rE a BOotLicKer
>yOuR'rE tHe ReAl SJW
We deserve better bantz.
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No.57256
The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about.
Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again.
But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The lefty had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day.
==Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck.
I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying.==
Gradually I began to hate them.
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No.57257
>>57251
Lol that sandnigger doesn't even have a a missile range greater than the Persian gulf
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No.57259
>>57251
Authority and hierarchy are not bad in of themselves though. It's mostly a matter of how and who uses them. Lashing out without purpose is dumb shit.
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No.57260
>>57259
That’s subjective and shows you’re not really part of an actual punk subculture.
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No.57261
>>57260
I don't particularly care what groups I are or aren't part of- but I believe the phrase "those who call themselves punk are the least punk of all" has become a bit a cliche by now.
As for subjectivity, it's really telling you're making a supposedly objective judgement on something that is itself quite arguably a very subjective matter.
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No.57262
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No.57276
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No.57279
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No.57280
>>57279
If it's worth you making a new post, then at least say something you haven't said before. Though that may require a bit more intellectual ability than what someone stuck ascribing a genre of literature to a specific tribe in the worthless pursuit of politics can muster.
No one owns cyberpunk, and certainly punk itself has no owners either.
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No.57281
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No.57282
>>57252
>if you disagree you're a conservative
Top zuz!
Totally desperate.
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No.57289
>>57280
I just pressed new reply on accident and didn't bother to write what i wanted after.
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No.57353
>>56473
Yeah, too bad most punks have become the lowest form of chickenshit neolib-bootlicking idpol fans
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