No.56389
where is the best cyberpunk place to live?
i'd guess not mainland china because its not possible to live there long term (no citizenship for gweilo). although if u can somehow ,then schway
>possibly?
Singapore
Tokyo
Hong Kong
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No.56393
You could live a life of /cyber/ technological DIY authoritarian pragmatism anywhere, honestly.
If you want the movie package with neon lights and evil corps then Hong Kong is your best choice.
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No.56394
>>56393
anti-authoritarian*
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No.56395
>>56389
There was a… lively discussion going on in >>45832, maybe you'll find something useful there, chummer.
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No.56397
Hong Kong.
>pic related, taken today
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No.56411
>>56397
too light outside, not enough neon, cop doesnt look high tech enough, sorry, doesnt qualify, very unc00l
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No.56413
>>56411
This was also taken in Hong Kong, present day, present time
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No.56415
>>56411
Nah, it's perfect 👌
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No.56420
>>56413
>n-not enough neon
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No.56421
>>56411
Sounds 水 anon, where is this place you speak of?
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No.56425
>>56411
only things that matter:
>high-tech
>low-life
you are overcomplicating things. you will never be happy in life if you keep narrow-mindedly holding things to your "ideal" standard. lighten up.
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No.56427
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No.56456
>>56389
why is eastern europe never considered? or a place like estonia? i thought that was supposed to be some great tech hub with the e-citizenship thing and all
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No.56457
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No.56458
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No.56459
>>56457
HK gov tries to legalize extradiction of citizen to mainland China, people protest.
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No.56468
>>56456
because estonia has only 1,500,000 people and the main city Tallinn is quite small at 500,000.
Definitely not cyberpunk
You need a single city to be about 10,000,000 people to be cyberpunk.
>tokyo
10-20 million people in the metro area
>hong kong
30 million people in hong kong and shenzhen
>shanghai + tianjin
also about 30 million people
>shanghai
10 million I think
>singapore
6 million (muh 6 million)
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No.56469
>>56468
beijing + tianjin**
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No.56478
>>56397
You take these yourself or?
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No.56781
Hong Kong calling for help from the west.
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No.56822
>>56781
>securing that weeaboo dollar
vewy wise
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No.57466
>>56781
>uses pic of controlled opposition
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No.57480
Some shithole with bad air quality, rain and neon lights.
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No.57492
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>57466
>imports fentanyl
>spreads coronavirus
<china is somehow the good guy
china is asshole!
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No.57509
>>57492
i never said china was good, just that the picture used was of controlled opposition
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No.57511
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No.57650
>>56389
Singapore is too bright and clean if you're thinking "Cyberpunk" in the traditional grungy, dark, low-life aesthetic.
Korea might work.
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No.57651
I know I'm probably out of place, but I always thought of cyberpunk more cyber-ambient than punk. Like Altered Carbon is the kind of aesthetic that I would enjoy. Or the scene from Ghost in the Shell (the movie) when Motoko returns to her mother. This kind of dead, sterilized, gloomy, grim aesthetic is closer to what I perceive as cyberpunk. A filthy, neon, dark aesthetic is too cartoonish IMO.
Motoko scene: https://invidio.us/watch?v=VN4kIgMSV-0
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No.57652
A local company in my city starts its radio adverts with "we've been with you through terrorist attacks, war, a recession and now even a pandemic." I can't remember how the goes but they're trying to sell you window repair. Its the most cyberpunk irl thing I ever heard in my life. The soullessness of it.
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No.57658
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No.57661
> video(invidious) slideshow of Russia
http://fz253lmuao3strwbfbmx46yu7acac2jz27iwtorgmbqlkurlclmancad.onion/watch?v=kHqSln2ZiHY
Russia is a good place to be in, for living cyberpunk dream,
Can easily get cheap illegal gun, Which also a plus. e-passports is already there, and have pseudo-working authoritarian government.
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No.57671
>>57661
It's rather cyberpunk dystopia than a dream. Unless you have more than few millions obviously, the statistics on suicide, substance abuse and crime indicate that it is far away from being a dream.
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No.57673
>>57671
I thought cyberpunk societies ought to be dystopian and grim. Isn't that a necessity? Well, at least that's the idea one gets from the most popular cyberpunk movies or novels, like Bladerunner or Altered Carbon.
The 'punk' quality of cyberpunk suggests a constant struggle with the system and the status quo, just like OG punks in the 70s. Therefore, it can't be a 'dream' if you are struggling by definition.
Personally, I think China embodies the cyberpunk aesthetic perfectly. One of the biggest and most oppressive regimes in the history of humans, accompanied by vast electronic markets. Literally spells out "punk plus cyber", heh.
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No.57681
>>57671
Many suicides committed due to drugs use and by teens, look at statistics of Finland, or Switzerland. Russia is huge country.
> substance abuse
USA will be first in place.
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No.57732
>>56389
im on a little blue dot in the center of that image of yours, right next to all the akbars killing each other across the sea.
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No.57740
I'm not a believer of considering a city cyberpunk solely based on population alone. If anything you should judge a potential city by population density rather than just raw numbers.
Tokyo is so vastly spread out that it's hard to really consider it a city, as there are multiple regions within that could be considered their own. Also Tokyo, and other major cities in Japan, are too polished to be in the running for a 水, grungy metropolis. All cyber, no punk.
>Manila
Currently 46,000 people/square km citywide
Online scammers, thieves and pick-pocketers, sexual exploitation of minors (both irl and online), meth cartels, and a corrupt, totalitarian leader seeking to punish criminals with any means necessary (drug death squads).
>Baghdad
32,800 people/square km
Considered 'ground zero' for two of the most influential conflicts (Gulf War and Iraq War) that changed the capabilities of modern warfare. Occupied by Arab nationalist Saddam Hussein and Al-Qaeda. Has endured multiple waves of protests that used a slew of improvised weapons against authority.
>Manhattan
27,900 people/square km
Home to large business and tech companies with varying degrees of influence on United States economy and politics, whilst harboring one of the most significant homeless populations in the nation. Large presence of consumerism plastered across the borough, and a police department with questionable past actions
It's undeniable that Hong Kong is considered 'the 水 city', but that's been talked about to death to where it's commonplace to mention HK as an aspiring cyberpunk dystopia.
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No.57742
>>57740
I don't agree on the way you are judging how much cyberpunk a city is.
In my opinion, cyberpunk cities are based around two variables, first: how much technologically advanced is the city (the "cyber"), and second: how dystopian and chaotic the society of that city is (the "punk").
An obvious example of a city with a very notorious amount of the first factor would be of course Tokyo, a great example of the second one would be the Kowloon Walled City. Combine these two and you got the perfect cyberpunk city.
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No.57744
>>57742
Where do you not agree with me exactly? I side with both of the points you made on how to judge a city's adherence to the genre (or subculture depending on who you ask), and I acknowledged that Tokyo is quite heavy on tech as you've mentioned. I think the merging of Tokyo and the Kowloon Walled City would be a close to perfect embodiment of a cyberpunk setting, but I'm trying to make comparisons to what already exists and find candidates that share both factors of "cyber" and "punk" together.
Tokyo is a near-utopian metropolis that has little to no cases of crime and a culture centered on uniformity and not "rocking the boat". The Kowloon Walled City was an densely-populated settlement injected with drugs, prostitution, and gambling by HK triads in the 50's and 70's, which got turned into a historical city park in 1995. These places only fit the bill when we speculate on what a cyberpunk world could look like, while the locations I mentioned exhibit traits of cyberpunk today, albeit more heavy on the punk.
Sure, population density (or population alone, I guess) isn't a core essential to the theme necessarily, but it is such a prominent trope in some of the earliest instances of cyberpunk literature and cinema that it should be taken into account when it's applicable.
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No.57787
>>57673
It is a little bizarre to me that so many people bring up Hong Kong in these discussions but almost never mention Mainland China or even the ROC. HK certainly fits the bill but China proper, I think, is even more appropriate when considering a cyberpunk society. The insane wealth disparity and constant surveillance makes literal netrunning a viable and not unheard of profession behind the great firewall.
Rapid urbanization in the last 40 years has contributed to the kind of vibrant street scene, as well as the accompanying squalor and struggle, many cyberpunk media try to capture. The works of filmmakers like Jia Zhanke and Hsiao-Hsien Hou are reminiscent of the infamous Wong Kar-Wai in their presentation of the Mainland and Taiwan. They captivate me in that they are not cyberpunk, the settings and characters are very much real. Yet they feature many of the same themes you find in cyberpunk media by virtue of the society they come from.
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No.57804
>>56393
Agree. I am currently looking for some place in the countryside where english is spoken and there is good internet.
Eastern Europe is the most appealing at the moment because of less law enforcement and really good internet.
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No.57831
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No.57833
>>57831
Second and third pic are some 水 examples, but the scenery for the others can be found in any other major city. It's only the post-processing and a neon sign that make it look like they belong in a cyberpunk universe
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No.57836
>>57833
Yeah, my bad. Here are some other pics without the post-processing. I like this FIESP building.
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No.57839
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>>57831
>>57836
I am a big fan of the FIESP/SESI headquarters you attached, good find anon.
Started looking for more content on the building and found that the display's been used as backgrounds for some musical performances, as well as retro games and art pieces that pedestrians can interact with. Along with the typical mesmerizing, Blade Runner-esque visuals/animations, of course.
Even the entity that has ownership over the building has parallels to Tyrell Corp, at least with its economic reach. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federa%C3%A7%C3%A3o_das_Ind%C3%BAstrias_do_Estado_de_S%C3%A3o_Paulo
>FIESP has 52 representative units in the state of São Paulo. The federation comprises 133 business associations and 130,000 industries, uniting sectors that make up 42% of Brazil's Gross Domestic Product
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No.57873
Toronto, if you can withstand northern weather. Up until corona-chan hit, Google was going to turn it into their own megacorp-city.
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No.57904
>>57873
I live not far from toronto, and I go there for business and sometimes shopping once in a while. I hate that fucking city. There's an underlying sense of just utter negativity, it's like the New York City of Canada. Just misery and massively built up commercialism and everywhere you go people act like they're the only people in the world that fucking matter. I can't walk through the Eaton center on a busy day without having to physically restrain myself from grabbing some fuckwit and screaming at them to move their fucking ass out of the way. Also this image sums up the average Torontonian, so there's that shit too.
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No.57922
Russia is the place to be.
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No.57936
>>topic
london?
gets dirty real quick these days, by night its glowing af
police hits good guys, leaves criminals alone, more concrete and glass than trees and artificial lights make everything look feik
>>57652
lel
your life was shit but here are some nice windows (soon to be broken)
>>57673
maybe the dream is a neontzschean life of struggle
needs wobots
>>57740
>badgag
too cheap to buy a neon
>bathattan
needs more crime but high level crime is really top notch
>>57787
is cyberpunk accessible only to bug peoples? :((((
>>57873
>google city
ok, stay here and tell me more
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