No.51896 [Last50 Posts]
My fellow shazbots, it's happened. The EU just passed article 11 and 13 basically aggressive copyright enforcement of all uploaded content, it also includes "link tax". With the content control centers that will be set up, and the new AI that will be build, we are nearing china levels of technocrat-olligarcy. This is the point where we really need to innovate and create alternative platforms for normies, where they are given freedom.
http://archive.is/sNnLm
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No.51897
>>51896
For starters, someone could make a program that automatically puts an unnoticeable filter over images you upload, changing a few pixels so as to avoid detection. Of course you'd have to test the tolerances of their filters.
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No.51898
>>51897
I seem to remember hearing about a program that did this to music files, so you could upload copywritten music to youtube.
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No.51901
>>51897
We need anti machine learning techniques for
>audio
>video
>images
>text
This article seems promising https://arxiv.org/abs/1705.07663
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No.51904
I always hated "muh secret club" closed-off invite-only online communities, for reasons I still think are valid.
But recently I started to rethink my position, because they might be really strong defence against this kind of corporate/government meddling that we have to deal with more and more in recent years.
Just by minimizing your public surface area and retreating into private spaces you can make a lot of these stupid laws pretty much unenforceable and violations undetectable.
Of course, this is not a perfect solution. They still can get you through metadata and inflitrate your inner circle if they really want to. Or just make private gathering themselves illegal (there are historical precendents for this). But it could be a good fundament for future work.
I am also really into public Unix systems like http://sdf.org or http://tilde.club
In addititon to being a Unix system as it was intended (i.e. mulituser, runiing on a server), it can provide all of the benefits of private online space for tech-minded without some of the downsides that usually come with them.
I even was planning to set up a small server just for me and some of my friends (though I doubt they will be really into it), and I guess I should put higher priority on those plans now.
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No.51905
>>51904
Also, when Russian government started really going after online posters, a lot of people quit social media and switched to mobile messaging apps, which do put standard social media model on it's head: private one-on-one messaging is default, then private group chat is next level, and then sometimes you can set up a public channel if you really want to.
And so far I don't remember hearing about anyone getting in trouble for something he posted there, so this shit appears to be working.
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No.51906
Speaking of machine learning. Here is confirmation that Google is "investing" in it to through searches to the left.
Leaked Google meeting:
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/09/12/leaked-video-google-leaderships-dismayed-reaction-to-trump-election/
>CEO Sundar Pichai states that the company will develop machine learning and A.I. to combat what an employee described as “misinformation” shared by “low-information voters.”
>(00:54:33) An employee asks what Google is going to do about “misinformation” and “fake news” shared by “low-information voters.” Pichai responds by stating that “investments in machine learning and AI” are a “big opportunity” to fix the problem.
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No.51907
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No.51908
>>51906
Not really surprised that Google was actually the culprit they accused others of being. I wonder when the animal will finally croak? Not that I'm counting my eggs before they've hatched, considering how much Alphabet and co have gotten away with, but surely there'll be a breaking point when action is formally taken against them.
Also:
Leftist corporations vs centrist/right-wing government, this sure is bizarro world alright.
though considering how subversive communists and secret society people operate, perhaps not so much
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No.51912
>>51904
They're after "muh secret clubs" too remember.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/commentisfree/2018/sep/10/online-echo-chambers-hate-facebook-bill
They may be talking about Facebook right now, but that will work down to other messaging services and even the chans, given our unifying desire for anonymity if nothing else.
We need to fully decentralize the internet, bring back local ISPs and meshnets who aim no higher than servicing single towns or even a few streets.
Facebook might market itself as letting the world talk to each other but for the vast majority they only interact with those they know IRL, so if they're geographically close to one another why does their communication have to go through data centers in foreign countries?
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No.51918
>>51908
Don't forget how heavily intertwined Google is with the NSA and CIA. Literally from Google's conception they have been hand in glove. Therefor, I doubt action will be taken against them.
It seems more like Deep State backed (((Commies))) vs. Limpdick neo-cons that only get hard for bombing the middle east, and have no knowledge of the internet at all.
The de-platforming of dissidents began months ago, and has only escalated. Google literally helps the Chinese nab wrongthinkers, and maniacs like Hillary Clinton praise their internet model. Also the EU bs mentioned in OP, all adds up to I don't fucking like this.
XinJiang control state for the entire 1st world when?
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No.51920
Meshnet can't come soon enough.
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No.51923
>>51918
Eh neocons seem to be on the way out, at least if 2016 actually holds true as trend in the long term. Alphabet soup agencies and (((silicon valley))) certainly have their history though.
>>51920
The technology is here, it's just that no one uses it. Unfortunately the circa 2010 hype just died out. Doesn't mean you can't roll your own with your neighbors though, you just need the equipment and willpower to do so.
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No.51927
>>51905
Yeah but those apps still depend on a centralized server that can be blocked or shut-down
What we need is a truly decentralized alternative that can't be compromised
>>51906
>low-information voters
Nice term, and who decides who is "low-information"?
Something tells me a lot of these companies are less worried about muhracism and far more about how the right is turning against certain corporations like themselves
Just the antiglobalization thing would cost them billions, apple stock took a dive when they admitted the tariffs thing would hit them
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No.51942
>>51923
>the equipment
I think that's the problem. Somewhere along the line, someone's gotta pony up a goddamn server farm.
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No.51944
>>51942
>server farm
This shit can be completely decentralized
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No.51945
i dont really think that they will manage to ban anything, but who knows
also, it feels good that this board is alive
and this: https://youtu.be/fPA6rLL7mF4
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No.51946
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No.51947
>>51945
>i dont really think that they will manage to ban anything
and a bunch of other Nationalist groups/figures you probably havent heard of. *note - Alex Jones is a cuck shazbot literally saying nothing that threatens TPTB
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No.51948
>>51946
How does it compare to Telegram, Signal etc?
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No.51950
>>51948
i dont know, i dont use it but ive read about it. we could test it out
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No.51951
>>51948
>>51950
Telegram rolls its own crypto and should be avoided.
Signal has the best rep for security but requires a phone number to register, posting that publicly would be retarded.
Tox does not need a phone number, but is P2P, so you would be handing your IP directly to freaks. Some clients do have Tor support to mitigate this however.
If the intent is privacy not just from CIA niggers but also each other, Tox is the one to use.
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No.51953
>>51951
then, wanna test it out? we could make /cyber/ group or something for this purpose, it would surely be great
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No.51954
>>51951
Agreed, Tox in combination with a VPN or Tor is an effective way to communicate privately.
Any interest in creating a group chat on Tox? I need more friends my Tox is kinda lonely…
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No.51956
>>51954
im in
could you explain how do i use tor together with tox?
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No.51957
>>51947
sorry for replying days late, i wrote most of the stuff after my post but forgot to answer yours. i fully agree on that, they are doing it for years, im working on switching completely to tor but im having problems with my google account because its connected to youtube and all my music is there. i dont think they will manage to successfully ban something as normalized as memes
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No.51958
im new here but i feel so sad that this place is kinda dying right now. how can we fix this? maybe pasting url on the web? or maybe plebbits r/cyberpunk? i just want this to be active
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No.51959
>>51958
wrong place, i wanted to make a new thread.
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No.51961
>>51956
Within the Tox GUI, within the network tab. Simply route traffic to your Tor Socksv5 Proxy port.
Much like getting a browser to route traffic through Tor.
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No.51963
>>51961
>>51954
>>51951
>>51948
>>51944
>>51942
>>51927
>>51923
ive made the group chat, add me so i can invite you in (there arent invite links like discord ones)
this is my user id:
1BA7A47CF219F7E7255E76EF95FE7794206DD12FC3629EEBCD03CA5656AC652DCD6DAF6CF1E0
if you dont have tox, download it here and make an account: https://tox.chat/download.html
hope to have nice conversations anons
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No.51964
>>51963
Can you generate a QR for the UID?
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No.51965
>>51964
Here, have mine. Currently awaiting >>51963 to add me.
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No.51966
>>51965
im outside, i will be on my pc in 2 hours
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No.51968
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No.51973
okay peeps, you will be added when you are online
looking forward to having a nice chats
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No.51982
update:
me and few anons have tried tox but we have some problems:
1: it isnt shared on both pc and phone, at least not properly
2: no permanent groups
3: no applications for android which work well, they are kinda bugged, chats wont sync on both pc and phone
maybe starting a privacy thread would be good idea, i have a lot of stuff to discuss about it
also, more oc
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No.51983
>>51982
Battery consumption on phones seems to be sky-high as well, though it may just be the client I'm using. That makes not being able to send messages without all users being online a nuisance, though that's the price to be paid if you want P2P.
Privacy is good for private conversations but it doesn't do much for this board as a whole, better off encouraging people to use Tor and post here through the onion URL.
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No.51985
>>51983
i dont know how skilled some of anons here are, but making onion chatroom would certainly be a great thing. even better: onion where everyone could make an simple chatroom, i would pay for that honestly
so far ive found this chatroom: danschatjr7qbwip.onion
also, if any anon could explain to me how to make an onion or pointed me on some kind of guide, i would be very grateful for that
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No.51995
>>51985
Tor Project has a guide to setting up a site here:
https://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-onion-service
That chat site is decent, appears to have an issue with moderation however.
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No.52001
>>51995
>>51985
What if this were hosted over the hyperboria CjDNS network? Utilizing something a little different than Tor, it is an active, public meshnetwork that utilizes high-encryption. I believe there is also a way to configure anonymizing routes… but creating a chat over hyperboria does involve more technical ability… only for the l3g1t.
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No.52015
>>51995
damn, this is way too comlicated for me
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No.52019
>>52001
Not something I'm familiar with yet. Aside from the technical ability needed to set it up, how complicated is it for the end-user to use?
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No.52020
>>52019
It's a bit more involved to join the network, you also have to establish a point of trust with another private node or utilize a public node. The underlying principle is true p2p.
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No.52023
>>52001
>>52020
i will read a bit about it, maybe it is a better solution than a tor chatroom
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No.52024
>>52023
okay, i still dont know shit about it either, i dont even know where to start with setting up
it would be great if some other anon could do it
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No.52027
>>52024
>>52023
*cracks knuckles* It would seem as if my partner left me a bottle of vodka. Aye, I'll give a crack at 'er
I am gonna set up a .onion IRC service first, then maybe have a gateway to also get to it from hyperboria.
Stand by for further instructions.
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No.52049
>>52027
thanks a lot anon, it would be great if you wrote a step by step guide on how you did it
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No.52050
update on tox group:
tox has added permanent groups, you can see the further info here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/projecttox/comments/9g28zh/new_group_chats/?utm_source=reddit-android
i will make one tomorrow, it will be great with other anons onion IRC
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No.52060
>>52049
Will do, it's proving to be a rabbithole to ensure my settings are properly configured… I've got the IRC and Tor config process done, then realized the clock on the server was way off, and not correcting itself off NTP like any other normal, well behaved *nix box. My options are running out, I may have to try something else and have it grab the time from another local, always-on device such as my router, or my roommate's alexa…
At least it's not a *nix with systemd <(*.^)>
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No.52065
>>52060
okay anon, thank you a lot for doing this. keep us updated
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No.52069
>>52050
Making an account again just for this. Keep us updated chummer
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No.52070
>>52069
>making acc
I meant re-installing
Fucking booze brain
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No.52102
>>52069
hey anon, ive been trying to do it but its still shit
im making a .onion chatroom, i will keep you updated
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No.52104
>>52069
>>52102
>>52070
im done, ive made a new thread about it, hope you all will like it and contribute to make it excellent
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No.52160
Anyone still talking on Tox or has it died already?
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No.52172
>>51963
>>51965
Can someone update me on Tox? Last time I checked on /tech/ a year or 2 ago, there was drama around it, brouzouf was taken, devs left, and it looked dodgy as fuck. Is that all resolved or is it still rickety shit?
Creating a private CJDNS network seems like a good solution to me >>52135
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No.52176
>>52160
died i guess, chatroom seems much better solution
for some reason, my thread got removed
>>52172
we didnt make it in the end, its no good for that.
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No.52226
>>51896
oh well
browsing net was fun while it lasted
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No.52393
>>52176
No idea where you got the idea that tox had died, there are consistently like 20-40 people on it actively chatting everyday. Swells up on the weekends, Club Cyberia is still going strong.
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No.52398
>>52393
i meant the tox thing we wanted to create
tox by itself isnt dead, sorry for misunderstanding
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No.52406
>>52176
I just tried out this chatroom on tor last night and nobody at all was on it, and the logs of discussion in the scroll two days back didn't amount to much more than 'hey' 'whats up' do you guys actually have interesting discussions there or is it usually like this?
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No.52417
>>52406
we usually have interesting discussions. A lot of that stuff is in members chat. It is a bit lonely on working days and plus I'm too busy to spend time there right now. Really good stuff is on weekends.
Also note that activity peaks around 20 UTC
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