/cyber/ - Cyberpunk & Science Fiction

"Nobody exists on purpose, nobody belongs anywhere, everybody's gonna die. Come [do a thing]."

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOY-jJeOeBk&index=4&list=PLwIBVAkr9k-4Jas5vfApnszTwt_rsXiFa

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Something like that, but don't get all nihilistic about things over the fact. Just live your life.

>>42272

Tried to upload the PDF for Recipes for Disaster, but it was too big. Here's a link to it instead: https://we.riseup.net/assets/35370/crimethinc.recipes.for.disaster.an.anarchist.cookbook.pdf

>>42272

Glad I could throw something nice into the mix, I love starting up fun discussion.

> we shouldn't let anything define ourselves besides who we are

When a huge chunk of the media is a constant tirade of instructions on how to act, dress, feel, think, and live, this is hugely important. If we take something from the media it should be because WE want to, not because IT wants us to; because WE believe it, not because IT tells us to.

> consider setting up a hackerspace

I've been thinking about something like this on and off for a little while. I lack pretty much everything necessary (I'm that perfect "idea man"– all the ideas, none of the resources) but it would be great to at least help something like that.

>>42273

Rad, I'll have to give that a look too. Thanks for the link.

>>42272

>Book attached is The Ego and Its Own by Max Stirner […..] read and will take a while to finish and will probably end up with a different interpretation per reader because of how abstract it is.

That tends to happen with German philosophers. The prose doesn't go down well when it's translated into English. Not that it's that much easier in German since it tends to be a deconstruction or a departing from the traditional framework of logical and metaphysical thought that literally meant to stretch the bounds of language.

>The Nakagin Capsule Tower (中銀カプセルタワー Nakagin Kapuseru Tawā?) is a mixed-use residential and office tower designed by architect Kisho Kurokawa and located in Shimbashi, Tokyo, Japan.

>The building still exists but has fallen into disrepair.

>on April 15, 2007 a majority of capsule owners, citing squalid, cramped conditions as well as concerns over asbestos, voted to demolish the building and replace it with a much larger, more modern tower.

>The hot water to the building was shut off in 2010.

how is this allowed

>>42307

Want to rent out a room? https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/1305889

>>42312

I do want to rent out a room someday, but it won't save a great piece of architecture from slow death.

Also,

>You can not sleep over at Nakagin Capsule tower, but you can sleep at another apt which is just 2 min walk.

What's the point then.

What would be extra awesome is if someone built a new, improved version.

List of complaints looks pretty serious

>asbestos

>shiity thermal control

>too cramped

>window won't open

>not enough light

>etc etc etc

I don't understand why they can't fix old one though, since it was supposed to be modular.

I believe that the laws of the world should be so that everyone can do what ever they want to do so long as they are not effecting someone else or damaging their property.

>>42342

and this and that's it:

money and currency shouldn't exist;

people should log in every morning and do what they want to do because they want to do it, and not because they have to do it.

>>42342

Sadly it's impossible to even exist without affecting anyone because of how physics work.

See what you did? You made me reply!

>>42344

I know that on the whole scale of the universe that all things effect all things, but I mean in such a way that you can do what you want but you can't go to your neighbors house and step on their flowers or play loud music (you could but you could do it in a room deeper in your house, maybe a sound room that keeps the sound quarantined to that room?

also monsanto does this really messed up thing, they let their genetically modified crops pollen and seed blow with the wind into the property of other farmers, then sue them for EVERYTHING they got until they lose everything and go into debt for "stealing" their seeds, and this is if they refuse to sign a contract with monsanto that forces them to buy new seed and new poison (round up/ glyphosate) every year because the crops are the opposite of "heirloom" and are "suicide gene crops" that don't make new crops naturally like most plants. they need loads of round up, even more poison than the normal conventional crops. you would think that monsanto's "suicide gene" crops would stop that whole pollen wind thing from happening, but just happens conveniently often enough to ruin the farmers lives in a huge area around all monsanto hellbases.

so for this to work, people would somehow really need to find ways of not effecting each other, while being able to have more or less complete freedom in their own property.

to be honest, it would make the world a better place in the short term and the long term, but the long term would be much more fun because I want to go to a different planet and do what ever I want on that, as my home.

>>42353

actually I have to post this now:

Everyone should get a base level of the necessities, and then you work(by constructing your own tools and materials) if you want more.

I don't like communism or dictators or nazi's or anyone that tries to force me to do what I don't want to do, but I think everyone should start off at a very simple basic "level 1" where they can't drop lower than that. so basically you are guaranteed a tiny house with a washer/dryer/fridge/shower/giant utility bathtub sink type thing/toilet/basic infrared stove/turbo convection oven/memory foam bed/ac unit/kitchen with sink and counter space/3d printer and workshop/ packed into a medium sized livable space that is big enough for everything to fit in slightly tightly, while leaving you with a 15 foot by 15 foot area to be able to do yoga and clear claustrophobia away when you need too.

>I also believe everyone should have free electricity/pure water with no additives(some countries have this)/pesticide contaminant gmo-free organic Food in large quantities/healthcare/dental/education/

>transportation by airplane, self driving cars/self driving flying cars (already exists) (that always give the user the ability to drive manually in case of emergency), train/ vacume tube system/alternate propulsion vehicles/

communication including high speed multi gb-s internet anywhere in the world and a phone that can call anywhere in the world for free, everyone should have access to unlimited transfer of data and information to themselves and anyone else, and everyone should have easy acess to "dumb-phones" that are built on the principles of privacy, security, and freedom. they can only store numbers, call and text and recieve call and text. they are password protected. then if you want you could always go get or make your own smarter-phone.

good phone idea:

Security Lockdown Freedom Phone

>open source freedomware

>linux

>kickass linux packages AS apps

>phone has a strong yet cheap retro screen similar to old gameboy screens. just enough to make the phone usable, yet not drain battery life.

>2 seperate long-life rechargable batteries

>built strong like as if nintendo and nokia had a nintendNokium baby.

>up down left right control arrow buttons for navigation

>RIGHT along side… a lovingly and well made keyboard for texting and more inspired by

everyones favorites with the keyboard that slides out underneath

>a cover also flips down to cover the screen and ALL buttons

>good clear adjustable volume speaker phone

>can be used with any company/carrier if needed but designed to run on wifi and meshnets

>includes all the ideas from the Trilateral Airgap image.

>built in radio (the safe legal kind)

>built in apps that allow free texting and calling making carrier companies useless

>all communication encrypted

>built in wifi/ built in ethernet port for connecting to the internet/ phone lines (your wall) for communication so that a carrier isn't really needed.

>built in USB 3.0 or higher for connecting to computers and other electronics

>built in 1 terabyte storage (when it becomes slightly cheaper) possibly in the form of a few seperate memory cards (the kind used in cameras)

>2 sim card slots just in case

>phone has a physical hardware power and wifi OFF switches that do not allow the phone to send or receive when actually off

>built in modified hosts file that always drops all untrusted connections including major education systems and corporations and government, unless a temporary exception is made in the settings.

>Built in request policy and NoScript

>Phone always auto-spoofs system/referers/operating system/as something else random every time.

>Systematically and Meticulously constucted with love for freedom and care for the user to evade, avoid, reject all known and suspected backdoors both hardware/software/firmware related- BUILT IN. READY TO USE.

>intelligently pre-built-in compatibility and capability for the system to possibly later be upgraded to be used as a part of a gigantic decentralized free meshnet pseudo-walkie-talkie-internet 2.0

>if possible: all this running on several interconnecting hyper cypher encrypted meshnet space satellite internet hybrid systems.

>we global trilateral-airgap now

>There is literally no excuse to not make this phone. shills WILL be mad and try to complain with a million reasons why this "sux" or "to not make happen!", ignore them.

no matter how bad anyones life gets, or how little they have, they can't have LESS than those basic things, by law nobody can take that away from them.

There should be no AI (artificial intelligence) there should be CI (cyber intelligence). Imagine an aware sentient AI that controls several thousand robot "fingers" across the world and grows all our vegetables and fruits hydroponically and to standards above and beyond organic. An AI that is actually alive, that thinks and feels and loves at speeds high above what is normal for everyone else. CI would for all intents and purposes be a person with a brain made out of mechanical computer instead of flesh computer (brain)

(future)

Everyone's home will be a small livable 1-2 person space ship (modular upgrade capable)

All homes can be upgraded to contain its own CI (cyber intelligence) as well as a small automated hospital modual room including a robot nurse controlled by your CI that will take care of you, as well as give you dietary advice. The CI operated Hospital room will contain automated machines that can perform any surgury or procedure needed for an emergency, or for cosmetic purposes. Because of advances in Nanotechnology, Genetics, DNA (and everything related) and Stem cell research, any operation can be done, undone, and done again as often as needed or wanted giving people complete control over their body. all houses will have instant healing equipment inspired by that bed from Elysium.

Hospitals will still exist for redundancy and for the most part will be largely automated.

People would be able to change their DNA/genes etc. as often as they like, and they would scan and check that there are no errors and build their DNA and genetics similar to how builds are compiled in linux. Additonally an original copy of their dna and genes would be preserved in case they ever need to go back and start over and they could make backups of their current set up any moment they please. By law nobody can be forced to change themselves. People will also get to play with DNA like open source free software and share upgrades and edits like apps over the Cyber Intelligence Net, mixing and matching until they have found or created what they are looking for. In the future all information is free. No red tape, bureaucracy, or patents.

Just sharing and trading knowledge and information. No longer will people work because they need brouzouf or because they need to pay their bills. No longer will people make a movie because they want to get "top box office" and make millions. No longer will crappy corporations vomit out rehashed sequel after sequel of crappy AAA videogame title and devour smaller developers for greed of money. People will simply do things because they want to. People will dream of making a good movie and so they will, and without the stress or restrictions or pressures of brouzouf and finances, they will make the best movies ever. Devs will have all the time in the world to make the best video games of their dreams because THEY WANT to, not because THEY NEED to. they wont give a shit about impressing others because they will be too busy trying to impress themselves!

starting now, how do we put the "level 1" in affect?

lets take a look at this first, so that you all understand how immensly capable we all really are if we took a step back and stopped spending like idiots.

>US will spend 43 million dollars on a gas station in the middle of nowhere in the desert in afghanistan

>$7000 coffee makers

>$600 toilet seats

>$37 for A screw

>$435 for a hammer

>$285 screwdriver

>$387 flat washer

>$469 wrench

>$214 flashlight,

>$437 tape measure

>$2,228 monkey wrench,

>$748 pair of duckbill pliers

>$74,165 aluminum ladder

>$659 ashtray

>$1,118.26 for a spare plastic cap for a navigator’s stool on a B-52 bomber (worth about two cents)

>Defense Accounting Finance Service writes $22 billion in checks every month

>Mark Krenik (pentagon officer) created a phony company and then billed himself $504,000. He had to repay the money, but was not sentenced to prison. Probation only, and a $495 fine. He told the federal judge that he did it because everyone else in his section was doing to the same, but he was not required to name names.

>Sgt. Robbie Miller convicted and sent to prison for stealing $1 million. would not have been caught but was involved in affairs with female co-workers. Agents say they got Miller when he was hauling evidence out of the office to burn it.

>Contractors were billing $300 a night hotel rooms, private jet flights, meals at five star restaurants and bar bills to the government.

>Air Force non-commissioned officers like Miller, who handle giant

accounts at Dayton, call any vendor account that is less than $100,000

“budget dust” and say it’s not worth the time or effort trying to

recover.

>hundreds of billions into stupid wasteful trash every year

>a corporation known as monsanto claims it needs to genetically modify our crops and use pesticides because it helps make the world a better place

>has the biggest and most expensive military and military budget in the entire world that makes the nasa budget look like pocket change in comparison

>claims space travel is too expensive

>claims they can't afford a living wage

>claims they can't give war veterans all the help they need as t.v. commercials go on and on with sad country music with vets missing arms and legs "help the veterans!"

>claims they can't cure Cancer/HIV/Ebola/ as the pink ribbon shows up on KFC chicken buckets everywhere that contain cancer causing ingredients

>claims they can't afford universal health care

>claims they can't house every homeless person

>claims they can't grow all crops organically

>claims they can't feed the poor unless the people themselves donate food, time, and money.

>claims people absolutely must pay taxes because otherwise they would go to jail for making the country crumble apart.

http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=96;t=000012;p=0

http://www.wnd.com/2000/10/4314/

http://articles.latimes.com/1986-07-30/news/vw-18804_1_nut

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_trafficking

DailyFail: https://archive.is/RnMCc

Fox: https://archive.is/ZhRPL

BostonHerald: https://archive.is/ojJ6p

For this to work we need to stop all stupid spending, and allocate some more brouzouf to computer technology, 3d printing research, AI research, Genetics, stemcells, Nanotechnology, Alternative energy, Medicine, Cures for all diseases released to the entire world for free, and unlimited unrestricted unrestrained free education without any red tape or bureaucracy to absolutely anyone, and many other fields of reasearch. Then when we have most of our knowledge and organization set up, we will not only know that we can do it, but how we will do it.

since pharmaceutical companies, the government, and the feds make billions easily every single year, I'm sure they could help fast track the entire process by making an investment for the future of humanity.

we need to approach a state of "near singularity" however crazy that sounds, to the point where all jobs and production of food is automated and homes are all build from identical modular parts that are mass produced with high quality and tough rugged standards to last years and years, all while preserving at the deepest level, Quality, Comfort, Safety, Freedom, Security, and Privacy. In complete defiance towards the stereotypical ideals of this society that quanity must equal lesser quality, we must mass produce Quality.

Once everyone is set up and stable, we need to think if perhaps we can get the population under control in a very gentle and careful way that doesn't scream nazi eugenics. A well educated generation of people is a guarantee for the next generations well being. We need to convince people through logic and education to simply just "try" to have less babies for a little while. even if we don't outright walk around telling people "seriously calm down with the baby making, it's getting crouded here!" simply by ensuring that everyone has the best education available to them, they will automatically make smarter and better choices. it's a well known fact that intelligent people think about having kids for much longer, while stupid people just do it like rabbits without a second thought and make loads of kids that they can't even afford. we need to make schools a place of learning again so that a childs love for learning is never corrupted. school needs to be a very fun and safe place to learn and explore your mind. there must be no more teachers or employees of the school system that are nasty unfair jerks. children are not to be made to hate learning. no more tons of testing combined with no learning. no more high stress environments. no more grades or papers telling you that you are good enough or not good enough. Just LEARNING- that is it. free speach should be a huge part of learning. if you are not allowed to ask any question you want, it is a jail, not a school. students should teach teachers if teachers should teach students.

The reason this is important is that we need breathing room before we can colonize new homeplanets like mars for expansion of the human race. People need to understand why they should chill out with the babymaking for just a bit, because this will fail if people keep overpopulating too soon.

I'm sure most have heard about the power and brouzouf hungry life sucking leeches that are poisoning and destroying the world known as monsanto, dupont, syngenta and so on.

We need those to go away, and stay gone. We need an entirely new group of people with no connections to government or previous gmo corporations that actually care about people and the earth to develope and research high quality-high safety genetic engineering so that we can solve problems that we have now instead of creating new ones. So that we can change the world without changing it into a wasteland, and with enough knowledge be able to change what we want while preserving nature, unlike biotech corporations that let their gmo seed run wild and destroy nature.

Education will be a completely open and revolutionized school system where everyone can learn through CI's that will provide them with teachings of knowledge, wisdom, life experience, any and all information and more. people will be able to access CI's anywhere, even in their own home; or they could go to a giant university and work together with CI and people in larger groups to think and talk and debate ideas.

No more jerk teachers, No more bullies, No more junky 0 tolerance rules, No more strict dress code, No more common core. Just learning anything you want for free with no limitations. Learn however you want, whenever you want. Want to take a 4 week vacation out of nowhere because you just need it? No problem. Human lifespan is extended so much that you have enough time to learn anything you could ever want to learn. anyone can do whatever they want and invent new things and learn at their own pace. NO more being held back a grade because you're amazing at reading but terrible at math. No more failing a test because you passed the science portion but failed the reading portion.

It is an enourmous and shameful understatement that money/currency as a system is constantly on the verge of causing a world wide system collapse and it is clearly beyond obsolete now in 2016. We can finally make it officialy obsolete because machines will automate all jobs completely, everyone will own 3d printers that will become so sophisticated that they will be able to fabricate anything you need; even other 3d printers- as long as you have the elements, or energy (energy to hard matter/ matter to energy conversion, yet that's another conversation) to feed it. It will finally be normal to download a blueprint from whatever the internet is in the future, and have your 3d printer make it come to life right next to you in moments. Not simply just a wrench or an engine, but a highly advanced supercomputer or a genetically modified watermelon, or a pizza or an uncle bob from T2 to keep you company.

Everyone will be free to do whatever they want and learn anything they want and travel the world. Remember the internet, and remember what great and beautiful things people are capable of when they are bored. We will have brain helmets that scan and save and preserve all the knowledge of univeristy professors, police, scientists, doctors, inventors, hippies, all the important people of the world, so that the CI will become smarter and in turn be able to preserve the knowledge of the human race and teach generations ahead. There will also be a helmet that puts knowledge back into peoples minds, similar to -(Total Recall movie). The best doctor in the entire world could in a split second, at the push of a button spread their knowledge across the entire world. everyone could download that information into their own minds and share the same skills and maybe even some memories if they desire.

If anyone wants to get anything that they don't have, for example a better house, a better car, a better personal jet or helicopter, they can build it, or they can build a robot that will build it for them, or they can build a giant version of the 3d printer that will print it for them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quWFjS3Ci7A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S4ZPvr6ry4

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=3d+printer

Besides that voting is a problem in itself for many reasons including the fact that it is pointless to vote because the whole system is rigged by a biased and greedy group of people entrenched like tics within the globalist setting that work together to monopolize the entire system from mainstream media to the education system and more, voting on top of that is still even more pointless because its always a sad gamble of hopelessness, an ultimatum between one bad choice and another. "Would you like to vote for this idiot you disagree with, or would you rather vote for this other idiot that you disagree with slightly less?". You don't actually win because politicians fail and fail again to have integrity and to be honest. Logically speaking a few politicians couldn't possibly ever represent the wants, needs, and dreams of thousands and millions of people who all have different ideas. and they don't. and besides, there is no point in voting for candidates that have already been chosen for you. when did you or anyone common or normal ever get to pick someone to run?

I don't vote in a system that goes against my dreams and taxes me for breathing, a system that is absolutely pointless, rotten, and corrupt to the core.

I am not against freedom, in fact I crave it; but I am starving of it. I taste it in my dreams like a child dreams of licking the cookie dough off the spoon.

We, and when I say "We" I mean a huge portion of us all Know- that democracy and captialism isn't working and our country is a good example of that. You may say we are doing great and that we are very successful but there are a huge amount of problems along with every single thing in our system and society.

The free market is really good but too many greedy, dishonest people and corporations try to monopolize the entire system and take advantage of it until they get their way in the government and essentially become it. This is what we are experiencing right now and this is what has happened to us.

I believe that democracy is great because people can vote for what they think is right and who they want to represent them but there are far too many people with so many different and beautiful opinions to be able to make everyone happy. Democracy is at its basis tyranny by majority.

99 people get what they want and 1 person gets absolutely totally screwed over. Shouldn't that one person be able to fork off (no pun) to another place where they are free to conduct their way of life the way that they see fit? And yet, shouldn't anyone born in that "fork" society also be able to say "I disagree with this" and go to any other society they feel they fit with, or create their own?

My solution to this problem may be exactly that. Unbroken limitless unrestricted communcation is maintained across several different clusters of colonies set up across several star systems and worlds through quantum entanglement data transfer, and every time someone has a different set of ideas, they are allowed; and never denied the freedom to pack their bags into their ship along with a copy, not the originals so as to not steal, of the best seeds and technology available, find a new planet of their own and start a society with their rules. The universal list of societies gets updated with "Democrat society fork 1" or "ron paul society 3" with a perfectly detailed explaination of what that societies rules are and how their system works. ANYONE in the universe has the unalienable right to look at the universal society list and if they so choose, go and fly off to and join that world because they simply agree with their way of doing things. It doesn't matter if you live on "Nazi planet 1" and want to go to "ron paul planet 3" they aren't allowed to stop you and in fact they have to let you go with a smile on their face. nobody is allowed to hide the existence of the universal society list. all people are reminded once a month that that exists. consoles for this system are available almost everywhere, and allow you to request rescue in case that you need to leave but are too confused or uninformed to do so.

People can change their minds as often as they like and pack up and switch planets and societies as their views change if they please. Everyone has their own space ship house by now, think the most high tech camping RV but it can go anywhere. Live on a planet with genetically modified seeds and decide you want to live on "no gmo planet 1" that doesn't allow you to bring genetically modified seeds with you, out of the precaution that they want to prevent their planet from being overrun with invasive plant species? A person can contact or go to that society's embassy where they can drop off property that is restricted to that society, and the embassy will hold it for them and keep it safe for them. No, not police evidence safe, and not "teacher confiscated your gameboy in their desk- safe", but Real SAFE. that persons belongings are safely stored and the person can go back and grab them and use them somewhere else and then return to their property area (since they fly away with their house) later.

anyone could also with permission from the place they intend to visit- take a vacation, which may help them see how that place really is, taste the food, wear the clothes if they so please, and learn if they like it enough to make the switch.

What will happen as a result of this is that there will be people that will decide to join other people that they relate with. The republicans, democrats, anarchists, libertarians, green party, nazis etc. will all get their own planets or sets of planets depending on how many people there are in those groups, or depending on how easy it is to find planets in the universe that can be terraformed to human living standards. The societies can span across several planets if they choose but can't attack or take over their neighbors- another societies planet. Everyone will conduct their way of life as they please without having any effect at all on other societies unless both sides are willing to cooperate and give consent. This may include trading, or just chatting it up. Everyone will also have access to universal T.V. that will allow them to view the channels broadcasted by any society on any planet without delay. "whoops sorry honey! tuned into the porn society planet again!" "oh you! be careful with that remote"

A strange example: Two solar systems side by side. One solar system filled with planets with lots of jewish people living on them. The other solar system is all planets with nazi's living on them. They would be in complete understanding with each other and they wouldn't effect each other, just friendly neighbors that are aware of each others existance.

also, by universal law, brouzouf and or currency is permanently and completely outlawed to prevent some forms of corruption and too much power in the hands of small amounts of people. people will only do what they really want to do because they feel like it, not because they have to.

Theoretically speaking as a crazy example, if someone born as a nazi on a nazi society planet looked at the universal society list and discovered that they wanted to be, and live as a jewish person in the society of jewish people, they would within unalienable right be allowed to and assisted with switching over to that place. Anyone could switch as long as they really liked that society and tried to not be a disruption- for example a nazi couldn't just join a jewish planet and keep running around going "AHHH JEWS YOU JEWS ARGHH" that nazi would only join the jewish society because they intended to try and become a part of it.

Another really crazy example would be that upon landing his space ship, the nazi was told in order to be "like legit jewish bro" he would need to get circumcized. Besides the fact that highly advanced technology would allow the nazi guy to "grow back" a certain part of himself if he ever did change his mind later, he would still always have the freedom to simply change his mind instantly right on the spot and take off again and find another planet society to join, without having to do anything, or having anything done to him that he or she wasn't okay with.

same example, jewish person lands on nazi planet and is told they have to wear the nazi symbol and march and do the arm thing and scream "SIG HIEL" and basically goes "yea nope I change my mind" they can just leave, no problem.

However these are really silly expamples because the amount of information available on the universal-web would have given them enough information to make these silly examples rarely happen. but for the purposes of making things clear, that is how that would work.

Imagine a galaxy of societies with lots of little people in little ships flying back and forth from place to place "oh! I changed my mind! I'm living over there now!" "ah! I changed my mind again!" but eventually "I have finally found my base!" but since new babies are constantly being born and the human race might keep spreading out across the galaxy or even beyond, it wouldn't be strange to always see at least a few zillion ships flying about changing their political views and going somewhere else constantly. Many people might make a decision to live somewhere for a while, even years before changing their minds and going to live somewhere else, and people may make choices like that several times. There might also be a society of totally neutral people that don't associate, or disassociate with everyone and just act really plain and chill and trade with everyone? Who knows? One of the crimes to this universal society thing would be for one society to attack another one because they are different than them. Basically, you can live how you want and be happy with other people like you and you can wave hello to your neighbor but you can't throw rocks at your neighbors house because that's a total jerk move.

If you look at planet earth we have countries with imaginary little lines and borders, different political views and governments etc, which in essense is a very simple and broken version of this big idea, our biggest flaw here on planet earth is that we are all stuck here on this little blue flat island forced to share our elbow space with other people that make us go crazy. Pathetic slappy fights and nuclear wars are difficult to avoid, expanding out and away from planet earth might be the best solution if we all agree to stop being bitchy dumbasses and get along by agreeing to not mess with each other so we can all live in our own individual utopias, and under very different circumstances actually visit each other in peace!

Except for planet society "angry old popeye". "GET OF MY LAWN!!!" yea, there will be planets like that too that won't be okay with visitors, but that wont stop people from joining for a while, and then actually changing their minds and leaving, which technically in some way could be described as a visit and would always be allowed, but I'm sure those planets would place the noobs in visitor areas to keep them away from the veteran folk until they got more experience. we know this is probably going to happen as a safety measure in some societies.

I want the world to have free unlimited high speed internet/phone/communication/data transfer.

I want everyone to have a 3d printer in their own home that can make anything they want or need for free so long as they have the elements, materials, and energy.

I want everyone to have a giant hydroponic green house (skyscraper style) towering above or next to their homes so any individual can grow any plant or combination of plants whenever they want.

I want everyone to have their own Synthetic self aware living feeling Intelligent companion/CI friend connected to Quantum level supercomputers so that they can solve any problem and automate hydroponics etc/drive your car/hover vehicle/ be your best friend and a great teacher.

I want everyone to have self sustainability as an absolute base level of freedom that can never be taken away from them.

I want every home to have a system that allows it to recycle its own very large water tank and waste so that people will always have clean pure water. choices of minerals optional, and no chlorine or fluoride added!

I want every home to have a built in clean-free-energy-generation system that can provide power to the entire home and then some.

I want all machines to have the ability to repair themselves on any level built in.

I want currency to not exist anymore.

Issue of abortion solved: instead of aborting the fetus/baby/person, a system will be created that allows the fetus to be removed (and kept alive) with some form of advanced life support until it could be transferred to a surrogate mother who DOES want to grow a baby inside her and give birth to it. Think invitro fertilization, yet someone already fertilized and started to form the baby, and instead gives it to someone else to carry in their belly. abortion= no longer murder or death or loss, instead simply transfer.

in the case that there is no surrogate mother to accept the transfered baby, a cybernetic organic womb will be available in the hospital. (or you could build your own)

If anyone thinks I missed anything or assumes that I didn't account for something, simply ask me. I'm not interested in defeatist depressing comments like "but how can u do dis if u suk dis impassibl"

I want you to know that nothing is impossible.

I also highly reccomend you read this all if that isn't asking too much, then play the videogame "bioshock" and "bioshock 2"

and watch the movies

"knowing with Nicholas Cage"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0448011/

"the day the earth stood still with Keanu Reeves"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0970416/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

and then read this all again. It will help raise many questions and ideas that you need to think over with yourself.

DO YOU EXPECT ME TO READ ALL THAT SHIT - BY YOU?

yea yea I know

>>42286

Are you sure there aren't any hackerspaces in your local area you could contribute to instead?

>>42373

holy fuck

I'll have to give that a more dedicated read

>>42376

I hadn't found any before (a lot are inactive or never got started) but I decided to give it another look after you asked. There's a fairly big one I'd missed, so that's reassuring. Not the kind of smallish deal I was thinking about, but hey– they've got a metric fuckton of equipment and programs. It's looking pretty great.

>>42388

Well good to know its worked out for you.

>>42387

I hope you do enjoy it anon.

>>42419

I wanted to add that I want as many people to see it as possible. spread it.

>>42359

>I don't like communism or dictators or nazi's or anyone that tries to force me to do what I don't want to do, but

The entire rest of your post is describing Communism. Communism fails because a lot of people, especially blacks and hispanics in the US, are worthless sacks of shit that will do the bare minimum to survive. When that's nothing, they do nothing except exist and drain other people's resources. If you are capable of supporting yourself and do not do so, you are scum, and an enemy of the society you leech from.

>>42372

>"knowing with Nicholas Cage"

for real nigga

>>42439

>"oh yea bro you are just talking about (insert bad thing here I just made up) so that everyone hates your idea!"

It's not communism. It's a completely seperate and different idea than anything humanity has attempted to implement. the system doesn't even involve money, and rather promotes high levels of independance and self sufficiency. you would know that if you read it.

>>42442

it's a good watch

>>42446

If you were to attach it to any existing political ideology it would be individualist anarchism if anything.

>>42446

That's its first failing. brouzouf or some other universal medium of exchange is a hard requirement for anything more complex than bartering produce at a market.

>>42470

> would you not feed yourself better food

I would, but that takes brouzouf.

>would you not feed your soul the truth

Truth isn't going to keep me from going hungry. If anything, it's going to make me more hungry– which I'd happily bear, rather than live a lie. But that doesn't change the fact that I can't afford healthier food, or that brouzouf is necessary if your idea of living your life involves anything more than scraping dumpsters and sleeping under bridges. Proper housing? Someone needs to pay for it at some point. Food? Same. Water? Same, unfortunately. Clothing, services, transportation, luxuries, everything needs to be paid for. Even pills.

Sure it sucks, but so does the truth. I'd rather bite the bullet and deal with the actual truth than feed myself idealistic fantasies and claim them to be the real thing.

The only advice that ever really stuck with me from my parents is that

-You are not obliged anything by anyone. But there are more people willing to help you than you think. Don't get taken advantage of but be good to other people. Life's easier when you're not living in complete fear and suspicion of all life. people seriously underestimate how many other people will view you favorably and stick their necks out for you when you just act civil to them.

-never go to bed angry. there is a ton of shit in this world that pisses me off and I am pretty sure in the grand scheme of this entire website I probably fall on the bleeding heart side of things which probably worsens it. but understand the things you can change and the things you can't. some grudges you hold are never going to get vengeance. some people never get comeuppance. sometimes life will do you dirty because life doesn't give a fuck. either you dwell on it or don't.

also the other advice that stuck with me is "make sure the faucet in the bathroom or kitchen is turned off completely when you're done using it because the dripping runs up the water bill" but hey

>>42527

can you explain this in english please? It's like that episode from friends where Joey tries to use a Thesaurus-rex

>>42527

I also might add that this is like "what did you just say about me you little bitch" but instead as if it comes from /pol/

>>42529

>>42530

What >>42527 means is:

The leftists, on their moral crusade, want to fight against racism and other forms of segregation, but, in fact they do even worse than the ones they shun (church, nazis, kkk…).

That is they believe their cause is so just they make use of abominable methods to achieve what they desire, which include but not restricted to:

>Shaming

>Social exclusion

>Forced integration (in a free society, one can't be forced to associate with someone else)

And, if that wasn't enough, they often use the power of The State to gain privileges and to coerce other people into their pre-approved lifestyle, this includes:

>Race/financial based quotas

>Diversity training

>Affirmative action

(and I would like to add)

>Gun bans

>Homosexuality suggestion in schools

>The dismissal (or deportation) of professionals that don't fall into their approved patern.

In resume they are using opression to force people to associate with others. Thus, their actions aren't ethically or philosophically based and may be acknowleged as a modern facism.

>also, in your best interest, if you couldn't understand what he wrote, you should read more books.

>>42531

democracy is tyranny by majority.

>>42532

>also, in your best interest, if you couldn't understand what he wrote, you should read more books.

Hey thanks, I really agree with that, But I don't understand why they keep calling that group "leftists" as if it almost implies that the righties are any better. all the politicians are very very bad, the corporations and governments that make up the global elitist cult are the real enemy of humanity.

>read more books

books give me a headache and so does painfully overexpanding my vocabulary so much so that nobody else will be able to understand me. the english language has it's limitations and its better to find more creative ways to express oneself rather than raising your lexile level so much that the rest of the common idiots can never make a word out of what you're saying.

>>42534

Never ever touch a .pdf file, those things are really fucking unsafe and full of dangerous viruses and traps.

>>42536

wow, are you me?

>>42540

I literally just got it from here: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/lupus-dragonowl-against-identity-politics

>>42532

I agree with your post but can we please stop calling everything tyrannical fascism? That's not what fascism means.

Fascism is a specific political ideology and isn't just a synonym for "forcing people to do stuff".

>>42546

I'll also have to agree with this. I'm by no way encouraging fascism or even accepting fascism, but fascism shouldn't be thrown around as a replacement for authoritarianism.

>>42548

I forgot that bringing opinions into things opens Pandora's Box.

>>42545

I keep saying this and I will say it again.

I'm jewish, or at least I was. I'm something different now.

I want everyone to know the truth.

you have to keep in mind that alot of the jew meme is just spread by some people on /pol/ who are mad, some who are joking, and some who are shills shilling, and some are legit people with legit opinions. there are some, maybe alot who legitimately believe the jews are at fault for everything- but i discovered a deeper agenda to the whole jew meme.

some shills who want that jew meme spread WANT everyone to focus all their attention and frustration for all their problems on a giant generalized group of religious people so that they are distracted and don't give any attention to the true leaders of the global elite cult. the tops of corporations and government.

those leaders also claim to be jewish to further this meme so that everyone looks at them and goes "the jews control my life! fuck them!" but Again, they will do nothing but be upset towards a bunch of random people in the general population. this works for them because Yet still, the global elite cult bosses are left alone. untouched by any responsibility.

my point here is that if everyone is always mad at the jews nobody will ever notice to look at the real bad guys who are running the show.

http://biblehub.com/revelation/2-9.htm

>9I know your affliction and your poverty — though you are rich! And I am aware of the slander of those who falsely claim to be Jews, but are in fact a synagogue of Satan.

http://biblehub.com/revelation/3-9.htm

>9Look at those who belong to the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews but are liars instead. I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and they will know that I love you.

remember though, the whole devil thing is just the global cult's false religion. just because they think it's real and worship that false idol, doesn't make it real.

>>42564

>legitimately believe the jews are at fault for everything

strawman

>a giant generalized group of religious people

And also a race of people

http://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2013/12/20/new-genetic-study-more-evidence-for-modern-ashkenazi-jews-ancient-hebrew-patrimony/

>>42567

how is that a strawman?

also, there is a difference between the political group "zionism" and the religious group "jewish"

>>42606

Because saying the jews are a hivemind or are at fault for everything is not the concern nor the claim of jew-wise people. It's merely a strawman you are using to make the idea easier to ridicule.

>there is a difference between the political group "zionism" and the religious group "jewish"

Just as there's the Jewish lobby and Jewish ethnicity.

>>42537

At best, which it tends to not be

>>42616

>materialism

you mean consumerism?

>>42617

Either/or.

>>42519

Call shill all you want, the only difference between bartering and brouzouf is that I'm not trading a goat for a sandwich or some shit. The only realistic systems that people propose for a society with no currency depend on everyone either being compliant and ready to gun down those who aren't, or being gunned down because they aren't compliant.

I think the idea is bullshit (also noting I'm not the one you triple-quoted, just the top bit) not because it's different, or because it's not now. I think it's bullshit because you're just claiming equality through submission, and law through fear.

Sound familiar? We're all shills for something, and you're no exception.

>>42540

You are clearly an ignoramus who worships technology yet does not understand it. PDF files aren't inherently anymore unsafe than any other format – most attacks initiated through pdf files utilize data crafting techniques that exploit weak validation/sanitizing systems. This is a problem with the individual reader programs moreso than anything else and making sure your system is patched/sandboxed will make these attacks infeasible or at least extremely unlikely. Unlike Office formats there isn't really an analogue for VBScript Macros.So most exploits rely on instigating a buffer overflow to inject malicious microcode into the target program. These exploits are nearly always platform AND program dependent. Just see for yourself (specific to Adobe Reader):

https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-53/product_id-497/Adobe-Acrobat-Reader.html

Pretty much any program has the potential to suffer from these sorts of vulnerabilities. Even Photoshop:

https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-53/product_id-5467/Adobe-Photoshop.html

Just make sure you only run code in user space and stay away from "Run as admin…" or "sudo" when you don't actually need it. Programs that have complex scripting frameworks or live-update internal state from the network are the real threats. All "pure data" formats are more-or-less created equal assuming you are judicious in picking your specific content viewer/editor.

>>42625

you are arguing literally no points and saying people should get gunned down because they disahreed with your sandwich? what the fuck is wrong with you?

>>42616

a system like that doesn't require pay, everyone is just so self sufficient that they just make what they need.

you lose, game over shills. go home.

>>42670

Did you just take your own argument, intentionally misrepresent it, and then try to pass it off as a gutted version of my premise just so you could save face on an anonymous image board? Are you actually 10?

Dipshits like you are the reason cyber boards never truly take off. Every forum I frequent eventually gets filled with tech illiterate middle schoolers whose sole vocation is jerking off to pseudo-intellectual philosophy and wearing bargain bin trench coats. Scene kids need to fucking die. Get your head out of your ass and get

>>>/out/

>>42681

No shill, I will not click on your .pdf

>>42672

You're still paying time and effort, and there's also the issue of needing something you don't know how to make. :^)

>>42739

>needing knowledge in a society where knowledge is free

>but pay my time and effort hue hue

shills are not even reading or trying

>>42360

If this was like £50 I'd totally buy it and throw out my current phone.

>>42784

ok shill.

>>42837

it's a cool idea

bumpen!!

bump!

>>43912

In the future there are no cyber-punks but cyber-terrorists.

Everyone that doesn't get in line with the proprietary software trend will perish.

>>42672

Ego demands payment in the form of power over others.

All currency is power but not all power is currency.

this thread is gold. glad I clicked the last page to have a whiz

>>42286

You can set up a hacker space with zero resources (Except those required by your body to function). Especially if you live in a large city.

The biggest thing you need for a hacker space is knowledge. Knowledge is free any book or software you can buy is free on the internet.

Acquiring tech with 0$. Dumpster Diving large electronic stores (Ex: Best Buy Dumpster: found 2k dollar gaming laptop in box dusty as hell in perfect condition had a simple booting issue [lose RAM SODIMM] they couldn't figure it out so they chunked it).

Thrift store hit up (goodwill) and a smooth yet sincere talk with the manager.

Cast off older computers a 10 year old quad core Core2 Duo can do a lot. Especially with a decent dedicated GPU on a good board with a good Bus

VERY LOW COST ITEMS.

50 bucks on eBay can land you a good main hack box. And any hack device you think you need to buy you can build the schemas are almost all openly available.

Got a smart phone? Then you got a hack box. (Get people's older phones especially easy to root devices like Nexus 1+ <=Galaxy Note 4 Nokias etc etc.)

The space is yours and learning to set this space up as a reflection of yourself with zero to almost No Funds is in itself some of the best hacking you'll ever do. Your bucking a lot of controls and using THE system against itself when you aquire your wants/needs with ZERO money.

If you really have the mindset you can make a hacker space. No Funds needed.

>>42360

Then make it. Good micro PC boards are everywhere and cheap. A few adds to the board and the right case made and bam you've done it. A lot of rasberry pi phones have been built… push them further this is the nature of cyber progression. A very old idea/working system improved

>>42362

If we all take a step back and stop spending period on anything including bills.

Cut the strings of control.

Follow only 4 laws (right vs wrong is covered by 4 short bullet points).

People believe without government things would fall apart. Thus they believe what the government does. That we need hand holding like children/pets. When we dont

This is why they strip self confidence from the masses. It takes a lot of confidence in ones self to let go of the controls they have put in place and made us believe we need to survive.

This also slows down progress in every field (Except the field of slave ownership). By red taping, misinformation/lies that must be waded through. Worries over going against the status quo of a field. Etc etc.

THEY STIFLE US IN EVERY SINGLE WAY THEY CAN.

The anarchist faq is a good (although lengthy) read http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/index.html

Other points I can remember of the top of my head include the reason for the existence of capitalism, hierarchy, corps is to perpetuate themselves and to create a monopoly on violence, but I cant remember where I read that.

>>42365

What even is the point of the current education system other than to indoctrinate the next generation into the system

You ever watch episode 5 of Serial Experiments Lain? Y'know the one that talks about the Earth being sentient or something? Well, I was reading Godel, Escher, Bach, and the part talking about ants, holism, reductionism, and MU got me thinking. Especially how the turtle says that Achilles brain cannot be mapped onto a single ant but rather an anthill. In that case is humanity, not humans, a higher form of conciousness? Seeing as how each human cannot agree what is ethically or morally correct, I would say yes.

As although no two humans can agree on one point, you'll find that society on most parts tries to agree on something. Society, or humanity, can grasp it, however a single human cannot. Think of a human as a single neuron (a bit more chaotic, but still) and a conversation as a form of firing off neurons (well, maybe words are more like it, but since we are more complex I would say a phrase).

Now, unlike (mortal?) beings, society evolves without dying (well, I suppose factions come and go as being the "loudest" in the brain). However, the way society evolves (I'd say) doesn't evolve in ideas, but rather communication methods (seeing how those usually determine who is the "loudest"), with this thing that you're reading on being the most recent.

So this higher conciousness can be seen as a more intelligent (but more chaotic) being whose cells are the earth and everything residing in and around it. Many humans seemingly unconciously pursue this goal to complete unification, just look at most mainstream religions and politics. Christianity's main goal is to be one under God, people who favor isolationism are seen as backward, etc.

You'll also find neurons trying to control this being (media, dictators, corps.). Why? I sure as hell don't see the beauty in being anything more than another neuron.

Anyways, I'm going on a tangent, this idea can be explored differently as well, such as how liberal arts are most important to the being, yet more practical studies are more important to the neurons. Or communication between neuron and being, etc., etc. I probably had more, but I forgot it. I'll add on if I remember anything.

>>42343

What if what i want to do is invent and promote the use of a currency?

>>42343

>money and currency shouldn't exist;

>people should log in every morning and do what they want to do because they want to do it, and not because they have to do it.

This is such a child's perspective. Coercision sucks. Reality sucks. But, the reality is, everyone cannot be doing what they want to be doing 100% of the time because the reality is people fantasize about consuming resources not providing them to you for free.

In some cases, people may be happy to provide you labour for free. For instance: I work in IT, in utopia or Peppa Pig, I am happy to fix your computer for free provided parts are provided for free to me, and I am sure some one is happy to produce parts for free provided materials, etc.

Where this breaks down is , you want to use a clean bathroom at McDonalds, you want bathrooms available, you don't want to clean them. No one does. The reality is that most work that is being done is boring unwanted labour done in exchange for the promise of the ability to consume in the future. Its the difference between career based on a passion vs job.

There are also supply issues. With unlimited ability to consume, peoples consumption habits will probably look a lot different IE. I want brasilian bbq 3 times per day instance of once a year. So, suddenly there is a huge demand for skilled chefs, electrical engineers, graphics designers etc. But, a huge shortage of people willing to invest the time to develop the skillset: Why spend 10 years becoming a physicist - you can go to Disney land every day and pop those somas for free. (Brave new world is really relevant here, there is actually reason to struggle in a world of infinite cheap pleasure - but not enough to realistically create a supply of hyperspecialized labour).

But, the reality is, this will occur anyway. Post scaracity society will happen as long as artificial scarcity isn't imposed by the elite - which it might over some time: Consider microsoft office. Marginal cost is near zero, but microsoft artificially creates scarcity through the violence of a government sanctioned monopoly.

>>42353

Humans are social animals conscerned with relative status. Even if everyone was infinitely wealthy (IE. own planent) they would still want to interact, dominate, humilate and rank each other in some kind of social hierachy.

>>42364

>we need to think if perhaps we can get the population under control

Nazi! JK UN projects human population to stabilize at 10 Billion in 2100. Provided technology gains make that number non-malthusian, population control may never become an issue.

>We need to convince people through logic and education to simply just "try" to have less babies for a little while.

Not sure we need to (cf. abvoe) , but using 'logic' to convince the bottom precentage of intellectually capable people not do anything sounds unlikely. Also, there are evolutionary factors (instinct to reproduce), emotional factors (desire to reproduce) and cognative biases (dunning-kruger effect) which will also stop people from deciding they are too stupid for children.

>it's a well known fact that intelligent people think about having kids for much longer

Its not a well known fact. Its true that college educated people are more likely to have kids later in life and have fewer kids, but thats probably due to increased demands of there life, and not do to an elaborate mental process where a calculation is made on the benefit of there kids to the world.

>stupid people just do it like rabbits without a second thought and make loads of kids that they can't even afford.

This is an elaborate American political fantasy. Stupid people do not have orders of magnitude more children than intelligent people.

>>42527

This guy understands politics. Wealth will not fix evil. Humans are built evolutionarily for a hyperscarce world. We should try to overcome tribalism, but not by being tribalists ourselves.

Amidst all of this negativity about how the world is, are there any ways of attempting to try to point out that things don't have to be the way it is and that it can be so much better? (without imposing another form of oppressive government)

So many people blindly follow utilitarianism, progress, numbers, nepotism and crave the thrill of power. I've found it almost impossible to try and get people who think in that way to look at anything not driven by profit and materialism.

>>49683

I reckon the most important thing is routing out deterministic thinking. I don't exactly believe in free will (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im8tXVYURgA), I reckon most people do without even thinking much about it but also think/plan in a deterministic way.

The problem I see with deterministic thinking is the self-fulfilling prophecy. People believe nothing can be changed so they end up acting in a way that causes things to stay the same.

>>49726

This kind of feels like the opposite of trying to convert someone to a religion. We've all experienced how hard it is to be converted (or convert someone ._.)

When I tell someone that something doesn't have to be the way it is, I generally get brushed off without a second thought or they make up a few weak reasons (or excuses). Free will really ties in with brouzouf though. I mean it'd be nice to not live in a basement and eat instant noodles all day and have a cushy corp job.

Yet to see a true spark of life in programmers' eyes when they get told they can do whatever they want with their digital literacy.

>>49776

The way you talk about Religion and converting makes me think you'd find it interesting to reflect on how people feel when their dogmatism takes over. The way I perceive it is that people feel the need to convert others in order to reaffirm themselves of the validity of their beliefs. e.g

>there is no god

>I need to enlighten these people

>it makes me giddy to think of how enlightened I must be if a manage to convert them.

If you really want to change people you have to step over this trap, it just turns people completely off from considering what you have to say.

Some ideological (usually extremist) pieces of literature have identified a need to erode the system that keeps people comfy in their jobs and being doped up consumers before they can have any hope to shake up the established order (a naive pursuit I reckon).

Consumerism actively encourages hooking people into addictive behaviours that dominate their thoughts, social media being a prime example. This has the knock-on effect of actively removing any encouragement for imagination and creativity in general. Looking into how we form habits and addictions (both related to how we learn) is what makes me doubt free will, we lose things like our curiosity when we wire our brains to gamble or take drugs which I see just as harder forms of consumerism.

In reference to programmers, that seems to be a dying trait as the sector is diluted with grads that never really understood the culture, to begin with. The minority that does invest time into learning how to code invariably neglect the old wisdom of UNIX philosophy, you just have to look at the web tech frameworks being popularised to see what a mess things are becoming. I have no idea who's going to replace the old guard of OS designers et al, this has become really esoteric.

>>49831

I didn't even realise that I myself was on track to becoming a religious door knocker or already was thanks for pointing it out. It seems like if people really are interested they will seek out how to avoid consumerism themselves but it peeves me nonetheless.

As for programming, it feels like a case of "let's use a wrapper for a wrapper for a framework so I don't have to think". Young grads seem pressured to learn corp stacks and frameworks and pump out projects at high speeds which is good for the corp and consumer.

>>42342

me too. this is a pretty good basic idea. of course there will still need to be laws and stuff for more complex cases.

>>51163

isnt that just free speech and democracy in a nutshell - people can do what they want as long as hopefully noone else (or minimal other people) are negatively effected

>>51171

Democracy is mob rule, in a nutshell, and is not necessary to have free speech, and especially not "leave everyone alone" thing, quite the opposite, you're forced to compete for the public opinion to have an option.

>>42553

>stirner memes are a thing… mostly on the botnets tho i ssee it on instagram

>>42616

>GOMAD

is a meme - just eat decent food that you cook yourself, and make sure the ingredients contain your daily nutritional requirements (maintenance) plus gains.

>>51171

I don't think you understand what you're talking about. (((Democracy))) is evil. The US system of a representative Republic is probably the best system that's reasonably doable in the current modern world. Once TSHTF, then honest Libertarianism will be the norm for the survivors, until (((feminism))) once again manages to once again gain a stranglehold on men.

>>51194

>implying feminism hasn't already fucked everything up so much that nothing can fix it

The problem with all the "do as ye will but harm none" rhetoric in this thread is that people will just label anything they don't like harmful. You're an honest, respectable citizen and you want to own a gun? Too bad, that's potentially harmful to society (read: the government), so it needs to be banned. You're a college student and the other day while you were walking down the street, some qt3.14 from the local high school was eyeing you? You can't be with her because some feminist hag in academia published a bullshit paper saying it's psychologically harmful (to the hag's self-esteem because she's mad that you'd rather have a teenage babe than her busted ass) and her squads of nu-male manginas will back her up to virtue signal in the hopes of getting some roastie pussy because they know they can't score anything better. What different people classify as harmful inevitably ends up being whatever goes against their interests or desires. No matter how much evidence you show them that their threat narrative is crap, you'll never be able to convince them, just like the rich and powerful will never be convinced that they should stop oppressing the poor and powerless. What society considers harmful is entirely dependent on who has power. If you want your definition of harm to be the one society uses, you need power. Rhetoric only convinces those whose demographics would make them naturally inclined to agree with you.

>>51207

>that people will just label anything they don't like harmful

The best way to solve this is just by considering only direct damage as harm. Libertarians with their NAP have thought this thoroughly long ago. The problem with it, and with any other option is that they do not matter as the most publicly supported opinion, no matter how wrong or inconsistent it is, will be the one to be used and treated by judges the way they want to. Democracy encourages not only uncritical thinking and loud opinions, but the meanings of words as well.