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When and why did clean minimalism become part of what people view as the cyberpunk aesthetic and how do we stop it?
Minimalism is for trendy shazbots
Dirt, grit, technology, clutter, actual utilitarian structure (not ugly useless minimalism) et cetera make a livingspace cyber
Pic related, real cyberpunk living spaces
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No.49485
>>49482
I don't think girls like it, the wallpapers are a bit lewd, it could make them think that he only cares about sex, idk.
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No.49489
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No.49491
>>49467
Wrong. A vpn tracks your network activity but who is to say where you are accessing it from?
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No.49501
>>49482
There are no women
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No.49505
>>49501
Is that okay with you? I mean, is that the goal?
Let me put it this way, how would your room look different if you were trying to creep women out and never get laid?
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No.49506
>>49505
>trying to creep women out and never get laid
You see, with that kind of attitude, if she is in your room, you're clearly doing something wrong.
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No.49511
>>49505
I'm not actively looking for a woman as finding one I'd get along with I think is fairly rare, if I find someone great, but they'd have to be interested in similar stuff to me for me to even think about dating them, in the mean time, I'm not bothered, I'm thinking of it as being alone and if it happens nice but otherwise I'm not bothered, I'm content working and buying new tech and other stuff
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No.49521
>>49511
I can agree with this sentiment, a woman would waste my time. I don't really feel the need for a close relationship at the moment, so meh. The only reason I'd ever get someone is because I would want children, and even then I wouldn't be as interested in her as I am in them. Waifuism (if that's what anon is doing) is kinda like how people take vitamins instead of eating vitamin-rich foods. It takes half the effort, with the exact same payoff.
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No.49524
>>49219
i appreciate the post. i am in the market for a new keyboard (and new everything).
>tfw custody battle/divorce bankruptcy
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No.49639
>>29323
>non-functional rooms
Might be the truest thing said about minimalism. I love aesthetic, but i essentially get nothing by continually fantastizing about minimalist setups that devolve into non-functional entropy until I panic and repeat.
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No.49640
>>29361
>you should have dozens of computers and even more monitors crammed into your 20th floor study in a bad part of town.
Obsession over collecting useless crap until your hoard prevents you from doing anything useful (Ie. space necessary to do stuff), or worse clogs your mental space or time managing it until your effectively unable to live.
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No.49641
>>29470
>I haven't had any issues with this.
MS Office non-commercial license. etc. Smartscreen etc.
>I'm not a programmer, and even if I was I'd have better things to do than go through the source code of an operating system.
But don't you want other people to go through it and develop expertise, mods, better products? Would you prefer giant corps and govs be responsible for the control of your computing without any way to tell what they are doing ?
>My "neighbors" can help themselves at the nearest pirate site.
Doesn't solve issues with unaccountable government and corperate control, silo'd expertise, and intentional anti-features or price discrimination through non-commerial licsenses
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No.49642
>>29474
>FOSS operating systems can do the same.
But, they can be held accountable in principal by an informed consumer - which doesn't have to be you. Even just the theoretical oversight may be some deterrent to bad behavior.
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No.49643
>>29570
Out of your mind. A pile of monitors clogging all the space in your room is probably useless. Unless you have an actually need for many monitors, your problably just destroying your productivity, electric bill, and room
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No.49644
>>29631
>Not as retarded as freetards who think malware can't be identified, analyzed and reverse engineered if it doesn't have its source on Github.
This is a retarded oversimplification of reverse engineering. Take a realistic proprietary code base like Windows, OS X which is probably billions of lines of code.In gigabytes of binaries. No Individual or Community of people is going to reverse engineer a that for the purpose of using a computer. its far easier to just recreate everything , hence foss , and government demands for access to source files. Also, the binaries change with updates. Fuck that. Your just pretentiously pretending to be able to RE anything.
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No.49645
>>44885
>I am a cyberpunk who defines his idenity by technology and resistance to corperate control. I use windows.
Make a basic tear effort man. You like technology but prefer windows for familiarity? Everything stock. Do you even like technology? Isn't the point of being an ethusiast to learn about design decisions and deviate from stock? Does using Windows conflict with corperate resistance ethos?
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No.49646
>>49219
I'd rather implement features in software where they are configurable and updatable more easily. Also, having a simplier keyboard means lower mental overhead. Who would win, having a single purpose spell check button on keyboard, or F7 ? Eventually things get so complex that recoring macro's , a simple keyboard is probably better.
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No.49651
>>49646
More keys is not the only possible feature though, and proper legs or well-built case won't add any mental overhead.
And if you get into 60% keyboards territory, it's not just F7, it's a tricky 4-finger hotkey combo while switching between layers, and keeping it all in mind adds overhead too.
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No.49655
>>49651
All reasonable comments. Hyper minimalist could destroy productivity.
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No.49671
>>29255
I was always fond of that "cluttered and tightly packed back-alley shop" aesthetic. It somehow manages to look comfy.
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No.55013
>>36554
>Minimalism is only cyberpunk when it's useful
This is probably the core of it. This board is minimalist, it has a solid color background, basically black, and like a 2 color foreground scheme. Solid clean lines.
Minimalism can be much more useful than "maximalism". Neal Stephenson argues this in his "In the beginning there was the command-line" when he talks about how the additional layers of abstraction designed to help ease the learning curve for new users have actually inhibited them through "metaphor shear" - when the metaphors are imcomplete, and actually disguise whats actually going on, and this ultimately comes back to byte.
/Cyber/ definitely seems to be about avoiding this kind of metaphor impairment, and embracing minimalism as extreme utility rather than fashion consciousness or additional 'ease of use' mechanisms.
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No.55014
>>48934
Military is actually using the word "cyber-hygene" now, and APTs consistently gain initial footholds through perimeter firewalls via poor user training - a vulnerable user on your network is a threat to you and your data.
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No.55015
>>49298
YEAUP. I ran 4000 watts in bitcoin miners during the winter at my repair shop - it was cosy and profitable.
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No.55016
>>49467
where does this meme worthy crap come from? Heads up, 100% of your traffic goes through your local router to your ISPs local router unencrypted associated with your identity. Thats centralized, and non-anonymous. ISPs are few in number and probably subject to heavy government pressure, if not private sector advertising pressure (Cf. mobile providers swaping ads on your traffic through DPI)
V.S.
An encrypted connection, not associated with your legal identity to an organization whose only point is to not know your identity while playing ball with government legal requirements as best as possible. If you pay anonymously, you might be okay. Obviously, don't make terrorist threats over a VPN.
Its absolute non-sense saying using a VPN makes you easier to track, its fundamentally the opposite unless you mean makes it easier for the VPN company to track you. Choose your provider wisely, unlike ISPs there are a number of them.
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No.55017
>>49470
meme worthy. Holy fuck you printed your porn and put it on your while for your parents to see. They will remember this when you grow out of it. They will tell your fiancee and your wedding.
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No.55040
>>55017
don't bully him, he is more based than any of us
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No.55045
>>55040
Im not trying to bully anon, I am trying to do this man, and everyone else a favour. Don't tile your walls with tons of softcore anime porn? Pornography should be private, tiling your room is cringe, and the longer it goes on, the worse it gets.
If anon stops at 14, then its kind of a funny story:
>"Do you guys when anon first discovered girls? He printed a picture of every girl he could find, and posted it on his wall".
If it stops at 25 its radically different. It doesn't even need to be spoken, its altered everyone's view of you.
>"Do you remember anon? I am just so proud he got a girlfriend and some confidence. He really had a rough life."
Its easy to blackpill now because there is so much awareness, but girls don't want a blackpill'd guy, and getting your first girlfriend happens suddenly one day after being told it would never happen for years by people around you. Just masturbate in private man, don't fill your room with porn for parents and friends to see.
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No.55067
>>55045
Umm, follow the cultural practices that i have decided to classify as respectable because i have decided to classify them as such??
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No.55072
>>55067
>Umm, follow the cultural practices that i have decided to classify as respectable because i have decided to classify them as such??
More like, don't violate social taboo's about sharing your sexuality with your parents and friends by posting what amounts to fetish porn on your walls because despite 8chan saying its schway, it will have social consequences that outlive 8chan in your life.
Its not me personally. thats the problem. idgaf what porn you watch, and I understand your probably just a blackpilled teenager who will grow out of it.
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No.55098
>>49470
too much anime but i dig the little CRTs
>tfw my big CRT finally seems to have kicked the bucket
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No.55115
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No.55116
>>29312
>Sun Server frame
nice.
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No.55122
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No.55123
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No.55139
>>39039
>autists
When did it become a point of pride to be mentally handicapped?
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No.55141
>>39039
This is incredibly poetic, but there really isn't any truth to that.
Integrated Circuits are not like mechanical systems - they are layered, and the features are on the scale of nanometers. You can't really look at a CPU, or motherboard, or any other IC, and really "see poorly made parts".
The minimalism of modern design language doesn't really hide the complexity of modern electrical engineering - the scale of modern electrical engineering does. The "rotting carcasses" and "worms" under the "plastic pallor" cannot be seen.
Therefore, like you say in contrast to your own ideas
> A minimalist "design" doesn't represent the end products quality, merely it's presentation.
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No.55143
>>55139
Autism isn't neccessarily a mental handicap, more of a social one. Sure, some people with very serious autism are severely handicapped on a cognitive level, but they're quite rare in comparison to those with Aspergers or high functioning autism.
My friend's kid is autistic and I adore that little bugger. Kid's smart as a whip, just doesn't understand social interaction. I think, personally, that a lot of his methods of social interaction make a lot more sense than what is the norm, but I've also been of the opinion for the last couple decades that society is designed for morons to the exclusion of intellect.
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No.55146
>>55143
Your just fetishizing autism. Personally, I think thats an extremely negative sterotype, because it prepetuates the idea that intelligent people are socially inept nerds which is not necessarily the case. At my college, people see socially awkward people and comment about how "smart that guy is".
Humans are social animals, and being socially handicap isn't an upside. Autism isn't a trade off between intelligence and social skills taken too far toward intelligence and autistic people are not rainmen.
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No.55164
>>55143
>>55146
I completely agree. Social retardation is still retardation. You live in a society. Smart people would learn to take advantage of it instead of turning into a recluse. A group of morons can accomplish a lot more than a single super intelligent hermit.
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No.55165
>>55164
But the point was its not a choice between a group of morons and a super intelligent hermit.
From the wikipedia article:
>Acquiring language before age six, having an IQ above 50, and having a marketable skill all predict better outcomes; independent living is unlikely with severe autism.
>Savant Syndrome
>someone with significant mental disabilities demonstrates certain abilities far in excess of average
>rapid calculation, artistic ability, map making, or musical ability.
>The rarity of human calendar calculators is possibly due to the lack of motivation to develop such skills among the general population.
>RARE
Where are the autistic theoretical physicists ? The skills "Savant Syndrome" people have are not signs of super intelligence. They are amazing in *context*. Being autistic unfortunate and definitely doesn't make you a super intelligent hermit, statistically your IQ is below 50 and if your miraculous, your an expert at computing what day of the week it will be 3 years 33 weeks,and 4 days from now.
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No.55348
>>29306
Minimalists are the most consumerist people out there
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No.55592
>>29306
>equality
would make sense in a world where the 0.001% controls everything and you're just a glorified prolebot with a fleshy aspect to it
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No.55620
Cyberpunk is all about being a sort of vagabond. breaking the law is not required or recommended though. All these wannabe hackers that I see I feel pity for, because you won't make as much brouzouf as if you just culvated a marketable skill or talent with brouzouf, or just good spending habits and learned how to spend less.
secondly, hacking is an easy way to indentured servitude. look at sabu.
thirdly, I dont have a reddit account but I browsed the /r/vagabond subreddit and it was nothing but a bunch of entitled communist posting pictures of themselves panhandling or hitchiking or begging. you are not cyberpunk if you do this shit. If you are NEET, then fine, but don't beg. It is not that hard to stretch your brouzouf. I make my own bread every other day. Soylent, in comparison, is unhealthy as fuck (20g fat per bottle) and expensive. yet im sure there are some entitled babies who feel like they need all this high tech food, high tech tech toys, et cetera.
So yeah, using a thinkpad, or at least something other than absolutely top end product IS a prereq for cyberpunk. it is not punk to overspend or beg.
>>55348
very true. I almost would call minimalists people who try to get the minimal use out of each product. minimalists always have a thousand different tools for the same task. macbook. ipod. iphone. headphones. wireless speakers. it gets boring, contrived after a while. a real minimalist, in some situations, would either have a radio communicative device or a phone, and maybe a pair of earbuds.
>>55165
I agree with this. Physicists and the like benefit most from their diligence and good obedience to their study habits than any IQ. There are probably many people with 80-90 iq's who work as tradesmen in 3rd world countries but live decent, fulfilling lives because they at least go to work, unlike NEETs.
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No.56376
>>29340
l0l, Punk and equality. T0p fucking zuz
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No.56633
I don't know, dude.
I just like minimalism and cyberpunk.
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No.56634
Are you guys seriously arguing about this?
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No.56643
Minimalism is mostly for the braindead masses that got confused of all the shit nowadays.
If you want to pass your message today it has to be in a minimal design, making it seem a "heaven of relaxation" compared to the chaotic energy of everyday life.
I always thought of the whole concept like the memory vacations in total recall. Everything is shit but there is this little hole in reality that stands for you. Combine this with marketing/propaganda and you have the modern reality of safespaces and minimalistic digital design.
I think it is cyberpunk, but on the low life way, it's culture jamming in a way, a way to make you feel safe when everything is fucked up.
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No.56644
Good grief, chummers.
It's fucking simple:
Go for efficacy. If that cable running through your room in plain sight is practical, go for it.
If it isn't, don't just chuck it there for the purpose of looking cyber.
I know this is a LARPing board, but the point of this shit is to at least PRETEND you're living the style.
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No.56645
>>56644
i don't think cyberpunk is larping right now. this would be like larping to be fishing while fishing.
yeah many things didn't work out as was predicted but the general sense is here and there is no way most people with the background don't feel it
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No.56646
>>56645
>this would be like larping to be fishing while fishing.
The rp aspect is more like taking a fishing trawler out to sea, then casting out a fishing rod you'd use from the edge of a small lake. You're still fishing, but you're going overboard with the aesthetic.
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