No.29255 [Last50 Posts]
When and why did clean minimalism become part of what people view as the cyberpunk aesthetic and how do we stop it?
Minimalism is for trendy shazbots
Dirt, grit, technology, clutter, actual utilitarian structure (not ugly useless minimalism) et cetera make a livingspace cyber
Pic related, real cyberpunk living spaces
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No.29268
>>29255
Where are you getting this from, User?
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No.29283
>>29268
That minimalism is popular among a minority? From other cyberpunk communities, not here or USENET or IRC or anything but modern surfacenet forums that I accidentally follow links to
That minimalism isn't part of cyberpunk? It isn't, even most modern cyberpunk novels and art emphasize grittyness which is why it's even more puzzling that some people find minimalism is anything but trite sterile futurism, just like skeumorphism
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No.29286
>>29283
when you make a coffee…do you strain it first? like before you drink it?
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No.29291
Seems to me like the term 'bare-bones' would fit cyberpunk better than 'minimalist'.
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No.29293
I agree wholeheartedly OP and have seen the same trend in battlestation threads
It used to be that a battlestation was cluttered and chaotic, filthy and dilapidated; you got the distinct sense that someone lived and worked there. Now most of the ones shown are sterile tryhard art museum exhibits, like they were put together just to show others.
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No.29295
>>29293
If it makes you feel any better here's my battlestation.
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No.29299
>>29295
get some fluorescents, or paint your lightbulbs red for better night vision.
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No.29301
>>29293
My whole room is my battlestation. I got a two gamecubes on my desk, the fucking schway Sega Nomad, a PS2, and two XBoxes. My Desk has a pretty big Tube TV on it, with a fan on top, and the desk is covered in games. As for the rest of my room, I have books on the floor, and LPs stacked on my dresser, books on a bookshelf, games too, and in my closet there's a bunch of old computers and laptops.
I would take a pic, but I don't have a camera and pictures are security risks and I'm paranoid.
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No.29302
>>29301
Usually just the desk is considered part of the battlestation.
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No.29303
>>29255
I agree that minimalism is bullshit. I build my environment to fit it's purpose, and it's purpose is not to have photos taken of it to post and fit in with trendies.
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No.29304
>>29255
What characterizes minimalism in your mind? When I read what you said at first I was picturing your third picture.
Besides, neat-freaks would exist in any future, and there are neat-freak cultures in the world right now.
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No.29306
We don't give a damn about cyber punk aesthetic, cyberpunk, before everything, is an "reflexion & action" subculture.
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No.29309
>>29293
>>29295
Spent a few years scavenging for this humble setup, hoping to move onto better things soon enough. Schway or nay?
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No.29311
>>29309
>Microsoft Windows
Not schway
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No.29312
>>29293
>Now most of the ones shown are sterile tryhard art museum exhibits, like they were put together just to show others.
The setups on /r/battlestations/ eventually start to all look the same, and people there probably base their setups on what other people have done. These two are the most interesting ones I've seen there. They're actually used for something.
Bonus images: probably the most /cyber/ battlestation in my collection.
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No.29314
>>29309
Really hope that keyboard isn't the clicky jew.
Neat little figure on the monitor tho.
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No.29318
>>29312
Does anyone know where the last two pictures are from ? This setup is amazing
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No.29320
>>29306
Not a very minimalist flowchart tbh
Could've done better
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No.29323
>>29304
Ugly non-functional rooms owned by rich shazbots who have everything done for them and can afford to live in an art exhibit. Useless rigid furniture, overuse of white, stupid shit ideas like "everything I do I can do on my phone, no need for a computer" and "the fewer objects I possess the more modest I appear to be, despite the fact this apartment costs more in rent a month than the average person makes in a year" basically anything that's inherent in the ideas of minimalism as a philosophy and a lifestyle and as an art movement. It's a plastic aesthetic for plastic people
>>29306
I don't what train of thought you had here but that's either written to be purposefully vague or you can't write, it doesn't actually make any sense at all.
Also:
>.jpg
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No.29324
>>29255
Keeping it simple is totally what cyber is about ~ amidst the chaos of the web the /cyber/punk struggles onward! Minimalism doesn't then conjure simplicity… Here is my set-up minus a turntable + my CANON 360 typewriter ^~^ apologies for the shitty res my phone is an older gen android. (I have a Toshiba T5100 on the way as well!)
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No.29327
>>29324
That's clearly not minimalism as he views it, he's probably thinking of those "minimalism=life" shazbots who post on fashion sites and aren't cyber in the least.
Cyber isn't fashion conscious at all, clutter, no clutter, it doesn't matter
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No.29335
blast from the past
need to have at least one CRT to make it legit
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No.29338
>>29335
Now THIS is /cyber/
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No.29339
>>29299
>red for better night vision
I'd always thought it'd be best to go with violet, since that is the color that human eyes are the most sensitive in low light environments?
Source?
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No.29340
>>29306
>punk is about equality
"Things I made up" by anon.
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No.29341
>>29309
>>29312
"Corpcucks, on MY /cyber/?"
It could be more likely than you think.
Click here to find out more.
>>>/gentoo/
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No.29342
>>29341
What are you talking about?
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No.29344
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No.29351
>>29255
OP is a shazboot
minimalism, barebones, efficiency, and make it look cool.
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No.29352
>>29255
>that feel when users don't realize OP is a shill
>users argue and agree with shill
SHAME ON YOU
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No.29354
>>29312
if we're gonna start throwing subreddits around (which you ought to know is a rather unpopular thing to do around here) let's mention r/shittybattlestations , it feels 90% more cyber than r/battlestations
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No.29361
>>29351
Active minimalism makes no sense. Putting in an effort to minimize the things you have (i.e. getting rid of useful tech) is the most shazbot thing imaginable, you should have dozens of computers and even more monitors crammed into your 20th floor study in a bad part of town. Nice artsy shite is for shills
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No.29362
>look up cyberpunk
>no minimalism anywhere
Sure generic near future stuff emphasizes minimalism and clean energy and garbage like that but that's not cyberpunk, that's fantasy, idealism, cyberpunk is realism and is already happening
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No.29377
>>29344
Again, what are you talking about?
>>29354
>LE REDDIT BOGEYMAN REEEEEEEEEEE XD
Have you ever considered suicide?
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No.29381
>>29377
>have you ever considered suicide
I personally have no issue with reddit, but people here get bitchy about it for some reason. Sidenote.
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No.29384
>>29255
Because having shit everywhere doesn't look cyber. It makes you look like a slob and it's embarrassing to bring people over to your room.
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No.29403
It seems proper to keep living spaces multifunctional(ie having a section of wall that folds out into a desk or an extra couch or whatever) and paring down on the shit you don't need in the world seems to make sense with that. Keep your electronics, but learn to take care of yourself and keep things clean. A clean living space keeps you healthy, and that means less brouzouf spent on medical shit, and more brouzouf spent on technology. Having less clothing and clutter helps keep a living space clean. Again, less brouzouf spent on clothing and medical shit means more brouzouf spent on storage and technology.
At the same time, it seems neccessary for a living space to feel organic and lived in, while a workspace should feel a little cold and technical. Essentially, yeah, have your electronics projects and shit, but keep that stuff all in its' place. If you have a room for it, keep that mess in that room. If you don't, dedicate a corner of your apartment to it, maybe section that shit off with a partition. Whatever. If you keep some sense of organization, it allows you to get shit done.
Then again, this is coming from someone who's fucking awful at organizing anything that isn't his alcohol collection or file system.
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No.29404
>>29314
Afraid to tell you it is the clicky one. I like clicks. It's clicky. I bought it.
>>29311
I've only recently taken an interest in cyberpunk and tech in general, you could say I'm still a normie, I'd agree.
Honestly I'm scared of using linux or any other OS I'm extremely comfortable with windows as it is and have no current reason to not be spied on, I honestly don't care if the FBI (etc.) knows I like women with cat ears and thigh high socks.
This said though I'm not sure about the difficulty of learning, or rather transitioning to a linux OS. If it's not too much of a hassle for me and it presents advantage i may consider. That's up to you to do though.
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No.29405
>>29404
It's not hard to install the beginner distros. Just download and burn Linux Mint onto a flash drive, boot off the flash drive, and the installation is really straightforward from there. Using it isn't hard either, because on Linux Mint, or Ubuntu or the other "beginner" distros, the complex internals are all there but you don't have to use them. I reccomend at least trying it, it's a fun learning experience. Especially once you move onto things like Gentoo where you really get your hands on the internals, you completely control your computer at that point. It's awesome.
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No.29406
>>29405
I will attempt it on Sunday after work. You would recommend Mint then?
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No.29407
>>29406
For a beginner, yes.
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No.29418
>>29384
>he has people over
Weeeew shazbot
Mostly joking but you should know there's a difference between computers and other tech laying around and pizza boxes and stray chuckles and half drank cans of cola
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No.29424
>>29314
>mechanical keyboards are bad
Shazbot luser go home
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No.29428
I understand what OP is trying to say, but all of his pics are unrealistic imo. If you really are High tech and low life you would have the means to repair and build tech.
This is my bedroom, complete with:
>4 computers
>basic electronic salvaging/repair tools
>4x6x8 feet of shelves dedicated to parts/tools/scrap
>a bed.
Everything piece of tech i own has either been bought broken or dumpster dived, with the exception of most of my HDDs, main pc motherboard, TV (which i inherited) and headphones.
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No.29429
>>29428
with night lighting on.
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No.29434
>>29428
Yeah he obviously doesn't mean that small living spaces aren't cyber or that buying a bunch of useless non-tech is, it's more an attack on insipid cyberprep, clean white shit that's becoming increasingly popular unfortunately
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No.29435
>>29429
Why red? Blacklight allows for the most heightened night vision and doesn't distort colors as much and is in general more comfortable
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No.29437
>>29435
Because I cant just put a bag over a few leds to make it a blacklight.
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No.29441
>>29377
>Again
That was a different shazbot, but I think he meant to respond to me.
>>29342
You're using windows. You're a corpcuck.
Enjoy the indian tech support cock in your ass.
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No.29442
>>29381
>for some reason
Because redditors act like >>29377 this.
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No.29444
>>29441
>You're using windows. You're a corpcuck.
Tryhard kiddie. Just because you installed Ubuntu doesn't mean you're now some super hacker.
>Enjoy the indian tech support cock in your ass.
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>29442
How am I a Redditor? Even if I did post on Reddit, what difference does it make?
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No.29449
>>29444
>"Even if I did post on Reddit"
Redditors are a stereotype, and you fall under that stereotype.
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No.29459
>>29449
Yet you can't explain how.
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No.29463
>>29323
Like that Iron Man house which gets destroyed in Iron Man 3?
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No.29464
>>29463
I mean, his house minus the laboratory.
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No.29465
>>29444
It's about freedom. If you use Windows, you are not free.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
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No.29470
>>29465
>The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose.
I haven't had any issues with this.
>The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your computing as you wish.
>The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others.
I'm not a programmer, and even if I was I'd have better things to do than go through the source code of an operating system.
>The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor.
My "neighbors" can help themselves at the nearest pirate site.
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No.29473
>>29470
>The "I'm not a programmer" defense
Microsoft can legally modify your computer without your consent, and you would have no legal way to stop them. If they wanted to they could bust down your door and get you put in prison for 5 years for pirating windows.
You don't have any problems with that?
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No.29474
>>29473
>The "I'm not a programmer" defense
It's not a "defense."
>Microsoft can legally modify your computer without your consent, and you would have no legal way to stop them.
FOSS operating systems can do the same.
>If they wanted to they could bust down your door and get you put in prison for 5 years for pirating windows.
It's not pirated.
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No.29478
>>29474
FOSS programs can't legally modify your computer without your consent, and more importantly the people who made it can't legally bash down your door and put you in prison for 5 years for modifying it.
Additionally, a FOSS operating system can be reviewed by *anyone*, not just the people who made it. That makes them much less likely to contain malicious code and more likely to have very high-quality code.
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No.29479
>>29478
There's no legal difference between the two.
>the people who made it can't legally bash down your door and put you in prison for 5 years for modifying it
How am I going to reverse engineer an operating system when I can't even program a hello world? Sounds like you don't know any programming either.
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No.29483
>>29479
The difference between FOSS and proprietary software is a legal difference.
On Windows, there may be a backdoor allowing the NSA to spy on you (some say it surely exists). On a free operating system, if there were such a thing, independent computer scientists can check the code and alert the consumer and they can even fork the program to remove/correct any malicious/buggy code.
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No.29488
>>29473
>>29478
>>29483
Is another's use of windows a threat to your personal security? Most likely no.
Is it theoretically possible that windows is better suited to the needs or tastes of some within the cyberpunk community?
Yes, though most will prefer linux.
C'mon people let the poor bastard have his blue pill software… these constant OS arguments are giving me cancer.
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No.29519
>>29483
That isn't a legal difference.
>some say it surely exists
But can't find any evidence and must eventually resort to demanding people to prove there isn't one.
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No.29530
This thread has inspired me to hunt for red, purple, blue and green lighting this weekend. Should I go for LED or CFL bulbs?
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No.29535
>>29530
LED, uses a lot less power which is a common enemy of cyberpunk.
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No.29546
>>29519
>That isn't a legal difference.
The law is here to allow or forbid you to do stuff.
You do not have the right to freely redistribute proprietary softwares (you can only redistribute it under the conditions given in the license terms of use). It is illegal.
You do not have the right to study, modify, or redistribute modified versions of proprietary softwares. It is illegal.
If Microsoft wanted so, it could change the license of Windows and make it a free software. It is just a matter of changing the license (and releasing the source code).
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No.29553
>cyberpunk is an aesthetic
Kill me this board sucks.
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No.29555
>>29530
CFL if you want an actual black light
LED otherwise
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No.29557
>>29553
>cyberpunk aesthetic does not exist
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No.29558
>>29557
That's not cyberpunk aesthetic. Not even similar.
But Lain isn't cyberpunk at all, so it makes sense.
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No.29559
>>29558
'twas a reaction pic.
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No.29562
>>29255
I'm pretty sure the sleek and minimalist aesthetic stems from post-cyberpunk. Deus Ex: Human Revolution has much more of a post-cyberpunk style than a cyberpunk style.
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No.29567
>>29335
That is an abomination. You're sacrificing efficiency to appear hip and trendy with the /cyber/ kids.
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No.29570
>>29567
That's not his but it looks pretty functional to me
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No.29605
>>29546
You're changing the subject. Earlier you said this:
>FOSS programs can't legally modify your computer without your consent.
>The difference between FOSS and proprietary software is a legal difference. On Windows, there may be a backdoor allowing the NSA to spy on you (some say it surely exists). On a free operating system, if there were such a thing, independent computer scientists can check the code and alert the consumer and they can even fork the program to remove/correct any malicious/buggy code.
Now you're suddenly talking about piracy and modifying the source code.
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No.29606
Yeah, late to this post, I know.
But, in my qualitatively useless opinion, the whole 'clean minimalist cyberpunk' aesthetic trend is a reaction to the setting when thought about in a non-aesthetic way.
Cyberpunk is essentially science-fiction, but with one key difference (well a hell of a lot more than that but just one that I'm going to ramble on about).
In traditional sci-fi, today's problems are presumed to be solved or no longer applicable, important or stressed over. Modern issues are comfortably distant.
Cyberpunk is the opposite. Today's issues are uncomfortably close, and that's often the key part of fiction taking place within the setting. If sci-fi is simplified down to 'suppose _', Cyberpunk is similarly reduced to 'How would modern society react to __'.
And yeah, before anyone says anything I did basically steal all of that from MrBtongue.
So why is this relevant? Well, in the 80's and 90's when Cyberpunk was reaching it's peak in popular culture (if it's level of exposure can really be described as such) the relevant author's vision of the future was cluttered, dirty, utilitarian. Now that Apple and Google own everything, people's vision of the future is smooth, minimalist everything with off-white textures and rounded edges.
People with a lack of respect for Cyberpunk's aesthetic trappings took a look at modern society's and modern futurism's role in Cyberpunk as a setting, and decided to alter their interpretation of the setting without altering the name.
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No.29607
>>29605
No, you misread me. Technically speaking I can write a FOSS malware, but as any competent programmer can understand what it does, it soon becomes publicly known that it is a malware. Some /tech/ guys can even fork my malware, remove the malware part, and make a useful program out of it. Legally.
For instance, some people don't like some version of Ubuntu because it sells personal information to Amazon, but there are forks of Ubuntu that don't do that stuff.
Proprietary softwares cannot be audited without the authorization of the developer (because its source code is the propriety of the developer), so it may do bad stuff without anyone else knowing it. And if you realize that a proprietary software does bad stuff, you cannot modify it.
For instance, if you think that Windows 10 invades your privacy too much, the only thing you can legally do is stop using Windows 10 and try another OS. Well, you can toggle some shit in the configuration menu, but it doesn't solve much. There is no "Windows 10 without the annoying parts" distribution. All of this because you cannot legally hack Windows (and because noone has managed to steal the Windows 10 source code).
Free software is all about hacking stuff legally, actually.
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No.29624
>>29607
You clearly said that Windows can legally have NSA backdoors but FOSS cannot, and that FOSS programs can't legally modify your computer without your consent but Windows can.
>Proprietary softwares cannot be audited without the authorization of the developer (because its source code is the propriety of the developer), so it may do bad stuff without anyone else knowing it.
This isn't even true and is just a popular freetard myth (which just goes to show how little freetards make use of any their precious freedoms). The behavior of proprietary programs can be observed. If for example a program is sending data to somewhere it shouldn't, the traffic is visible.
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No.29625
>>29624
Dude how retarded can you get?
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No.29626
>>29283
what's your beef with skeumorphism?
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No.29627
>>29488
Your high-minded above-the-fray conciliation is giving me cancer.
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No.29628
>>29562
Did you even play the game?
Yeah, there's always going to be rich people in a cyberpunk setting who have sleek stuff. But most people are going to live in the Detroits and Hengshas.
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No.29631
>>29625
Not as retarded as freetards who think malware can't be identified, analyzed and reverse engineered if it doesn't have its source on Github.
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No.29636
>>29624
However, the content of that traffic may be obscured and the destination may be a co-opted legitimate location such as an update server.
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No.29638
>>29636
If somebody has taken over the legitimate destination of the traffic, how exactly is FOSS going to help?
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No.29641
>>29638
In this case, it won't. Just meant to note that the traffic being observable didn't necessarily help all that much.
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No.29643
>>29255
I usually like to clean my work spaces once in a while, makes it look nice and organized, plus it's just easier to find shit when I need it. and like >>29291 said think more like, Bare bones and clean. I do like the lived in aesthetic, just because it looks comfy as fuck.
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No.29651
I own dozens of computers and tens of thousands of dollars worth of electronics, parts, and test equipment ranging in age from nearly 40 years old to just bought last month that I've collected over a decade and more or less still find uses for, even of that's just using them for the sake of using them, like for games and software that has other, more modern versions but for one reason or another I don't really need any of the modern features (like I still legitimately use VisiCalc and it works for small things or that I make grocery lists using a 90's POS machine with receipt printer, perfect size so why not). That said, I have one plate one bowl and one of each piece of silverware. My apartment is still decorated how it was when I moved in with the exception of a few posters. I don't buy really anything that isn't tech. I keep organized buy my apartment still looks like a lab, albeit a well organized one. I guess that's that's a kind of minimalism
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No.33048
>>29255
Sure kid. Clean is 'trendy'.
Maybe you're just a disgusting neck-beard, schway.
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No.36532
>>29631
Free malware:
>suspicious.c
>send(data, "bot.net");
>remove
Proprietary malware:
>tens of hours looking at the traffic, because it only sends the data on Monday at 17:43
>7F D9 C5 87 3A B4 C9 B5 A8 73 92 CD E5
>"huh, that looks like an update query"
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No.36554
>>29324
I don't think minimalism isn't cyberpunk because it is simple. tbh simplicity is incredibly cyberpunk, simple and DIY.
Minimalism however often sacrifices simplicity and extendability. For example the new mac books with only one port, minimalist yes, Simple maybe, useful no…
Minimalism is only cyberpunk when it's useful, and as an aesthetic I think minimalism can be a lie when the outer simplicity of an object was created to hide(or dumb down) the inner complexity.
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No.36556
>minimalism is not schway
>the third image posted is minimalism: neon night edition
Make up your mind OP.
>>36554
This guy gets it.
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No.36560
>>29311
If you think a certain OS is schway, then you're too into the aesthetic. Nothing in cyberpunk culture says you must use linux.
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No.36564
you can probably blame Mirrors Edge for that
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No.36565
>>29404
If you just want to learn and experiment.
Get virtualbox and install some beginner friendly distro on it, like Linux Mint.
And regarding being spied on, who knows what can be used against you in the future.
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No.36566
>>36564
Tᴏ ʙᴇ ғᴀɪʀ, I ʜᴀᴠᴇ ɴᴏ ᴘʀᴏʙʟᴇᴍs ᴡɪᴛʜ ᴛʜᴏsᴇ ᴘʟᴀᴄᴇs ɪɴ Mɪʀʀᴏʀ's Eᴅɢᴇ ʟᴏᴏᴋɪɴɢ ʟɪᴋᴇ ᴛʜᴀᴛ, sɪɴᴄᴇ ᴛʜᴇʏ ᴀʀᴇ sᴜᴘᴘᴏsᴇᴅ ᴛᴏ ʙᴇ ᴜᴘsᴄᴀʟᴇ, ʜɪɢʜ ᴄʟᴀss/ᴄᴏʀᴘ ᴇɴᴠɪʀᴏɴᴍᴇɴᴛs.
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No.36567
>>36566
yeah, but even the sewers are amazingly clean, the govt has OCD
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No.36601
>>36564
>>36567
It was a game released in 2008, back when everyone was still using XP (XP has stacks of gradient colours). I doubt minimalist was what they were after. They were pronbably trying to work with the console limitations the best they could by cutting on the thorough design of the places (not making the sewers filthy to make sure there's less to load).
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No.36608
>>29255
>Dirt, grit, technology, clutter, actual utilitarian structure (not ugly useless minimalism) et cetera make a livingspace cyber
I think what you're looking for covered partially by Maximalism.
Maximalism has a neat appeal. It's shows a societal attitude towards, even a dependence on, hyper-consumerism and a general lack of space caused by over-crowding but an architectural awareness of it as well. At least to me, I like those as part of a cyberpunk setting.
Although it's commonly co-opted by visual arts rather than home design, so finding examples of it tends to be tough. What you do find doesn't really take into account cyberpunk aesthetics, either. Unless it's a battlestation.
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No.38087
>>29335
Why the space exploring fuck would you need 10 motherfucking CRTs, AND 3 laptops. You need 4 at most, 6 if you're insane.
>>29404
>Install mint
>learn basic linux shit
…?
>install gentoo
>rtfm
>ascend to a higher plane of existence.
>>29459
Reddit doesn't share our culture, see. Which is why they fuck up, and instead of lurking moar, like they should, they shitpost until a board is all reddit and ruin it.
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No.38520
I think it's just that neo-brutalist architecture is just easier to render, lol.
Le Corbussier 45 and 90-degree angles and Frank Lloyd-Wright pre-fab blocks favour dev tools.
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No.38562
Kids, as you grow up eventually you learn that having wires all over your room for the sake of it isn't necessary and is impractical. So you think to yourself, "should the megacorps storm my room would I be able to wipe everything without scrambling to find stuff? Will I make a successful getaway with everything all over the place?". You have to think practicality instead of aesthetics sometimes. That's why minimalism works for most people. Unless you're in a secret underground bunker with a lifetime supply of food and water then hang all the wires and monitors up all you want.
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No.38607
>>29295
>4:3 monitor
my man
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No.38936
>>33048
This.
OP is just too lazy to clean his room and wants his mom to think he's cool.
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No.39039
>>29255
Because Tech Companies like Apple and Google don't want to present their products as what they are.
Hear me out.
I'd like to think everyone here as at least opened up a computer once in their life and taken a good hard look at it. We are diggers, problem solvers, autists, shitposters. Sheets of silicon and metal. Circuits, Boards, Chips, datastreams, that's just part of our everyday life and a part of it we at very least accept.
The normies though don't see that. To a few they see something magical and may one day join the hordes of shitposters, but everyone else just sees an open, ugly mess. Like a gaping wound, they desperately seek something to bandage it or seal it away.
Apple, Google, Microsoft, always put on a clean friendly face with the public. Corporations made of meat and flesh, hiding behind polished steel along with their creations and this makes the user happy.
But we've cracked open enough cases.
We know what they are.
Deep down, the sleek designd oesn't hide the buggy software, the cheap, poorly made parts, the glitchy interface.
A minimalist "design" doesn't represent the end products quality, merely it's presentation.
And though to the average person, these companies are friendly happy faces they see everyday, we've cracked open their rotting carcasses, and seen the rubber covered worms seething beneath their plastic pallor.
Much like this anon >>36608 said about Maximilism, the sudden resurgence of minimalism is due in part thanks to the corporations trying to put on a fresh face and present themselves as anything but the hyper-consumerist disaster they are.
Im still kind of okay with minimalism, but it's so fucking overused
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No.39044
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No.39083
>>29255
the megacorps love minimalism. ESPECIALLY right now everything looks like it was designed by kids in paint
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No.39091
>>29607
> you cannot legally hack Windows (and because noone has managed to steal the Windows 10 source code)
There was a guy on 4chan who helped program the windows 10 system, and he created a thorough script to block all the spyware and tracking/telemetry shit in the system. Are we honestly not going to address the fact an ex microsoft employee gave us a script to block all the issues everyone has with windows?
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No.39108
When I discovered the internet on our w95 a new world opened for me.
There was so much to do and there was so much different content to find with different people. Also the technology behind it was so interesting, I ended up getting some grads and I thought I had found my life goal.
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No.39109
>>39108
>Fast forward 10 years
Internet became shit, even TOR started dying. Everything is controlled and it basically became a medium of social status. Desktops are replaced by smartphones, tablets and laptops which are thrown in the trash after a few years.
My whole world was dying and it was not the world that I loved anymore.
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No.39110
>>39109
I still don't have social media or a smartphone, I'm sitting here at my desktop thinking what the fuck to do with my life now all my dreams collapsed and I gave up my job a few months ago because the passion is totally gone.
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No.39111
>>39110
My world is gone and I'm sitting here waiting for something to happen that is gone forever.
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No.39114
>>39111
Sounds like you already think that your previous aspirations are gonna have to change to workable, because the framework in which they were formulated is gone now.Either find a different community in which your dreams fit, or find new dreams for your current community.
>>29255
As for OP, I think that true cyper aethetic is organic; if something is minimal and clean, give it a few years of being lived in and stuff accumulated to see what happens. Maybe it's clean at the end, maybe not.
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No.39119
>>39091
That sounds amazing, would you mind linking me to this script that downloads the OS source and makes it POSIX
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No.39136
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No.39142
>>39108
>our w95
You refer to computers by their operating system?
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No.39149
>>29309
>draw me like one of your figurines
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No.39150
>>29341
same shit happens on xfce/mate occasionaly
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No.39151
>>39091
>"all"
thats pushing it, just because someone worked on it doesnt mean they saw everything going on
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No.39161
>>29465
This guy is right.
LET'S KILL ALL WINDOWSFAGS !!
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No.39163
>>39161
whens the next rally?
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No.44846
>>29255
I agree.
While minimalism might be "cyber" is definitely not "punk."
Cyberpunk aesthetic is supposed to be dystopian and while that might involve minimalistic designs on some levels (e.g. think Tyrell corporation and the like) the protagonists must always be "punk" and therefore scruffy and ragged.
>>29306
Bullshit, cyberpunk is primarily a genre of science fiction and aesthetic, and only distantly and on a very marginal level some kind of subculture.
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No.44869
>>29361
Having thing "going around" in your living space, and especially in your work space, does not mean it needs to look like shit
you can still be a poorfag, work on your stuff, and not live like a somalian
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No.44885
>>29404
I agree with you on linux. I mean, I've used it, and what I saw of it, I liked. I had it on a little shit-top which wasn't powerful enough to run windows useably, and yeah, it works. I got quite into using tiling windows manager, so once, when I needed to reinstall my OS anyway, I put debian on there.
Mouse didn't work. Multiple monitors took all day to get working, and even then didn't really work as intended.
Couldn't get WoW running under Wine, which I realise isn't a problem for everyone, but having read that it worked, I was dissapointed when it didn't.
I've been using Windows for virtually 20 years since before I even knew linux existed. Linux, while it's great, I haven't. I know where everything is, the most random and obscure of settings. I know all the stupid hacks and works around for it's quirks (Both operating systems have them, neither are perfect).
I want to like linux. But I already like Windows.
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No.46029
>>29340
Are you mentally disabled? ',:^)
I love when /pol/ denies reality because it doesn't fit with their world view.
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No.46031
>>29424
Newfag detected. It's a Razer mechanical, you idiot. Nothing is cyber about a normie gaymen keyboard which makes too much noise. Not all mechanical keyboard have annoying click sounds though.
Mechanical keyboards are a meme though. I type faster on my chiclet than you do on your mech.
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No.46032
>>39150
No it doesn't, schway. XFCE and MATE both have window decorations large enough so that you can easily grab them.
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No.46033
>>29488
>Is another's use of windows a threat to your personal security? Most likely no.
Most likely yes.*
It enables the government's spying of the population, including many friends and family members of mine.
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No.46794
Just have what you need or that adds something to you're life, It's not schway to be a messy fucker
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No.46803
>>46794
I think you're missing important ingredient: punk.
It's very much about being messy fucker. Low life.
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No.46806
Cyberpunk isn't far future sci-fi, it's relatively close to modern day life, shit we could theoretically go through in our lifetimes, and therefore cyberpunk design is extrapolated from modern technology and design influences
If you want to blame anyone, blame assholes like Apple for popularizing sleek, "futuristic" aesthetics
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No.46817
>>46806
Not that I don't hate apple, but the 'sleek, "futuristic" aesthetics' you mention have been around since long before apple or even computers were a thing. For example picrelated is a modernist building built in the 1920s which shares the same design principles that apple still uses today. Just one of many examples. I know it's a bit knit picky but really I'm pointing out that even the design that apple is known for is actually not original at all and has been around for 100 years.
In my eyes minimalism has it's place in cyberpunk but is not inherently /cyber/. For example, a monk living modestly in the country side may embrace minimalism but is not very /cyber/; but a working class guy living in a small apartment and keeping his possessions to a minimum because he's not got much brouzouf could be.
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No.46827
>>46817
modern architecture is so ugly. and not in the cool-ugly way of most cyberpunk. it's just dully unaesthetic.
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No.46833
>>29429
Please don't get a seizure.
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No.46854
>>38562
haha yeah!
>as you grow up eventually
>you think to yourself, "should the megacorps storm my room
>Will I make a successful getaway
haha yeah!!!
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No.46855
>>39039
interesting post mayne.
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No.46856
>>38562
Yes but this is a roleplayer's board.
I mean, if you're not roleplaying, then you're into whatever shady shit you're doing instead of worrying about aesthetic issues.
People who address other's taste for minimalism are on the same page as the ones who pursue minimalism for purely aesthetic reasons.
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No.46860
>>46827
It's not my favorite style either, but I don't hate it. I guess it's subjective. I do agree that this style isn't very cyberpunk. I think brutalism is cool though
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No.46903
>>29255
Cyberpunk doesn't have an aesthetic beyond it being in some kind of future with advanced technology embedding the core of human life – so like our present world. Specific setting and aesthetic and largely irrelevant.
In addition, this sort of thing is not really minimalist, it's just clean and flat – minimalism as an aesthetic is about carefully arranged, simple and tasteful geometric shapes. However, as more of an ideology or action, one could argue minimalism is a strong facet of cyberpunk. The low-life striving towards their personal or political goals, or simply trying to survive. With a constant influx of information and products, wouldn't have the brouzouf or the time to divert their attention to consumerist traps. brouzouf as in, they don't have the funds to buy cool, high-tech shit. They have to throw what they can together and make do without something if they need to, this is quite a minimalist approach and life-style, though forced. Influx of information and products as in, it's quite easy to be caught in the stream of social propaganda from various industries, or simply your own baser desire for MOAR! Basing your life around certain items, styles, social circles, or even brands. Distracting and removing yourself from reality. In a cyberpunk society with the usual corporative and capitalistic depictions. It's quite hard to be an outlier and avoid the bulk of this, in doing so you'd be abnormal and inherently minimalist.
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No.47131
>>36560
Kek, that's just false. Nothing is more cyberpunk than using an OS that prevents the government from spying on you.
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No.48934
>>29488
>Is another's use of windows a threat to your personal security? Most likely no.
wtf, yes it is.
A lot of attack vectors use third parties, not to mention >>46033
I read some interesting article that I'm not even going to Google on how dangerous is India, for being such shit on cyber security. This enables stuff like:
>Test tech: sounds silly, but cyber attacks have many components, and having large networks where to test some of them (like spreading patterns) without exposing your powerlevel when it comes to gaining access, means you can effectively test algorithms without endangering your ass so much (legally speaking), exposing your best methods, etc
>Test human vectors (same as above, with social engineering)
>Shitty "internet of things" stuff like cheap security cameras and etc that use shit protocols can be used to gain entrance to a computer, but i'm a pleb and didn't understand/remember a lot of it. The same can happen with Windows users with whom you are required to work, interact, etc
Did you even notice how pandemics usually appear in Africa or China? Densely populated shitholes with terrible higine always affect you, a lot. Same with poor "cyber-higine"
tl;dr:
yes
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No.48935
IMO, cyberpunk is just being a punk about cyber (not gonna discuss semantics of "punk", but my use here is "going overboard" with it).
Nothing about that implies living like a pig, though I do enjoy the slow collapse of society.
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No.49219
I was watching tons of keyboard reviews on tubes the other day, and while author is a shazbot who doesn't even know how to touch type, he brought up an interesting point.
Modern keyboards tend to be very minimalistic.
They go for reduced layout from tenkeyless to 60% to even 40%.
They're built as simple plate-PCB-switches-keycaps sandwitch.
And keycaps usually don't even have printing on them.
Compare this to some ye olde models.
In addition to full (or even expanded) layout they had tons of extra features like adjustable legs, cable management channels, a place for your pens, fat bezel protecting the keys, and in older ones keycaps used to have printings on the top ``and``on the side.
Now here's the thing: in software every feature is net cost on your computer. It takes up RAM and wastes CPU cycles.
But in hardware such features are free, so why wouldn't you want them?
(of course, there's manufacturing costs, which is one of the reasons why modern keyboards look like that, small scale manufacture is very pricy so you gotta cut every corner, but these costs become negliggible when you get access to mass production techniques)
This applies to non-computer things in spades.
Extra detail, small touches and secondary uses might make for a messy appearance, but it is the only downside, and you have to really go out of your way for it to become detrement.
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No.49260
>>39110
>>39111
>dreams are gone
>something to happen
What the hell were you expecting would just happen to you and fall into your lap?
Here's what I've done/are doing:
>buy chingy changy chong devices
>buy baofeng two-way radio
>buy xiaomi redmi note 4 phone
>10 cores, fuckton of ram
>flash baofeng for all-channel use
>install F-droid onto phone & dismiss all google services
>find metal CD holders, drill holes into them for charger cables
>line with aluminum tape
>7:00pm airport mode, into the faraday cage
>when I'm out, phone goes into the left pocket, radio to the right
>still haven't figured out how to make use of a portable faraday cage, will investigate
>investigate list of VPN providers:
>VPNarea
>AzireVPN
>BolehVPN
>Doublehop
>IVPN
>Mullvad
>OVPN.se
>proXPN
>SecureVPN.to
>Trust.zone
>buy https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/free-software-wireless-n-mini-vpn-router-tpe-r1100
>investigate list of email host services:
>cock.li
>flokiNET
>integricloud
>lavabit
>mailinabox
>posteo
>runbox
>sdf.org
>investigate viability of installing/using mumble or Kik for more comms
Things could be salvageable on the comms front yet, meaning that I could have normie friends but not really have to fully indulge in their cancer.
That just leaves transport and automation. For these two things, I think you should aim for primitivism/keep it simple stupid. I'm going to look for a lotus 7 design with a roof. Once I have the chassis I'll play around with some goofy engine designs. I have no desire to build a robot waifu, but if I did I'd look to build a knock-off somewhere between ASIMO and the boston dynamics robots.
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No.49261
>>49260
primitivism or kiss of transportation is biking or even walking
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No.49262
Post more schway hacker rooms
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No.49265
>>49260
The KISS of autos is an 80/90's carburetor car/motorcycle you can easily find parts and fix at home (and doesn't have a black box). You can still have some comfort with it.
I would personally recommend a toyota corolla or honda civic.
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No.49266
>>49265
I'm that faggy anon that has the 1986 Trans Am with the 305 specialty engine or whatever, but I'm also going to be picking up an 80s goldwing, 2 in my area, a 1981 and 1986 dunno which to go for. Been doing my research on maintaining and fixing both the vehicles and we're through a lot of the problems but the Trans Am runs hella smooth. I definitely recommend 80s cars they're fairly cheap now and made decently.
It's pretty easy to get comms running, what with sms gateways and calling with digital ham radios. Probably gonna get one for my bike when I buy it since carrying around a handtransceiver is bulky as fuck.
Get yer t60, get yer chingchong phone (I like the Sony Xperia but I haven't decided, my current phone is a flip phone but I need apps because muh gps and muh tindr)
Debating fucking with an old smartwatch I have or if I should just get a casio, also don't know if buying a mp3 player is worth the battery life I'd save on my phone.
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No.49267
>>49266
>I need apps
Get an android tablet/phablet and just don't put a sim-card in this thing.
>get a casio
Don't get meme terrorist one (the F-91W model). It does it's job, but there're better Casio watches for ~same price.
>also don't know if buying a mp3 player is worth the battery life I'd save on my phone.
Don't know about battery but hardware compartmentalisation is good idea by itself from redundancy and security and cyber, but that's another topic perspective.
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No.49268
>>49267
>Get an android tablet/phablet
I mean I didn't plan to put a SIM in it anyway, phones are just smaller pocket-sized tablets but if you got specific models that are a better suggestion than the Sony Xperia by all means. I like the Xperia's customizability and shape.
>Don't get meme terrorist one
My friend specifically said the opposite, that I SHOULD get the terrorist one just because, it's also only 10$ but I prefer the travel watches ~30$.
>Compartmentalisation is good idea
I agree, plus the parts are cheap.
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No.49271
>>49268
I'll elaborate, F-91W
- is not waterproof,
- has really shitty backlight,
- does not track date properly.
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No.49273
>>49266
>'86 Trans-Am
Michael Long Knight is that you?
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No.49274
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No.49276
>>49266
>>49267
>>49268
You are getting it backwards there. Being cyberpunk is not about using a certain type of equipment, it is about being resourceful.
For example, there is no reason to buy an mp3 player when you can store 64 gb of data on any modern phone and can charge it on your car or laptop. Except on specific occasions, tablets are useless. Not putting a SIM card on your phone does not mean the Wilsons cant track you.
You would better spend your time and brouzouf on software for your mind and body.
For example:
-Learn how to shoot
-Educate yourself on physical exercise
-Learn meatspace security strategies and tactics
-Urbexing
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No.49277
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No.49278
Would you say a Toyota Corolla EE90 (1.3 L (1295 cc), 12-valve SOHC I4, carb, 74 bhp - 55 kW) is a good investment in Japanese automotive history or a piece of shit worth only a couple of pesos? I say this because I think it's the only transport from "that era" I can reasonably afford.
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No.49279
>>49276
Well you'd be surprised at what capacities you can build. For instance, a punker phone is like 800$, but the sony xperia's lower model is 170 with 30 for the mp3 player, which can carry 2 SD cards. That's a lot more space and brouzouf saved, and a casio watch can act as decentralized storage depending how advanced they are, and they're only 10-30$ when you pick the right ones.
I know how to shoot, I'm pretty fit (working on it), I was in cyber shitcurity and urbexing is my hobby so, hit the nail on the head, but the fact remains that dumping all your brouzouf into the best piece of technology that can easily be busted is dumber than decentralizing and having the best machines for the job. A supercomputer is just several computers taped together.
Also I only paid 2,000 for that car
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No.49281
>>49278
I'm no expert but absolutely. It's not a very powerful car but the 80s-90s corollas were known for being nigh indestructible
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No.49283
>>44885
> couldn't get wow running under wine
It's so easy. Just
wine path/to/wow.exe
And if no sound is your problem, run it as root.
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No.49289
>>49279
Thanks.
That is a nice car btw
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No.49290
>high tech low life
>make battlestation with old server parts, second hand leftovers and a hacksaw
>can get 1080p 60fps in most modern games on mostly pre-2010 hardware for a couple of hundred
>second monitor is a repurposed tv on a stack of old office workstations
>hanging paracord as a mic boom/stand
>only LEDs are functional
>wire/warehouse shelving units
>environment arranged so I can do everything in one place except shit, wash and sleep
Why do people care what plebs think?
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No.49291
>>49290
>old server parts
how's your electricity bill doing?
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No.49294
>>29283
This obsession with the purity of the genre is what killed this board in the first place. Anything can be in "cyberpunk", as long as it is cyber and the world somehow, somewhere has the "punk" too. Being tied to a certain aesthethic makes you as boring as the normies you claim aren't worthy of being part of the concept.
But then, I doubt that any of you would be here after so many years later to see the result of your actions…
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No.49298
>>49291
It covers having dedicated heating, it's a feature.
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No.49331
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No.49332
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No.49353
I've i used to strive for minimalism and a clean workspace, but that shit would only ever last until the next
hardware project got rolling. Then it's back to nests of wires and stacks of old towers and equipment. Eventually you give up and just try to keep it from being a fire hazard. If a workspace is prestine it's because no work is done there.
Now I'm just trying to not let the chaos spread to my bed and kitchen counters. Sleeping on the floor and only eating food that doesn't require preparation because your tinkering has absorbed your entire apartment is no way to live.
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No.49375
I think something interesting to add to this discussion is the corporate headquarters in Bladerunner 2049.
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No.49388
>>49375
>CEO of biggest company in the world
>need suitably badass office
>hire the top 100 interior designers in the world, make them work together, give them each a dozen free robohookers for pay
>get this gay-ass bullshit
>sitting in office
>no computer, so never have to get anything done
>company pretty much runs itself anyway
>but no vidya or 8chan so it's boring as fuck
>such is the life of an executive
>sometimes piss into the water for shits and giggles
>nobody will ever know
>call secretary in for blowjob while I ponder how to make robots fuck each other
>she misses a step while walking across the wide as fuck pathway block things
>high heels go right out from under her, falls on the concrete
>breaks her leg, bone sticking out and everything
>fucking gnarly, man
>hope the fish don't mind blood in the water
>probably not since they don't mind piss
>get sued for hazardous work environment
>bribe the judge with robohookers
>lawsuit dismissed, fire secretary
>never got my blowjob
>jerk off into the water
>bored again
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No.49400
>>49388
fucking schway that was a good read
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No.49418
>>49388
Now i want a cyberpunk movie/book/show/whatever from the persepective of a CEO who just kinda fell into his position and all he wants to do is shitpost, but hackers and activists keep fucking with him. All the evil shit his company does he is either unaware of or did specifically to fuck with the hackers keeping him from shitposting.
In the end the hackers fail to stop the relase of his micro-machine virus. It turns out all it does is remind people their waifus are shit and aren't real when it detects they are having a good day.
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No.49419
>49418
haha yeah epic reddit!!!!!!>>49418
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No.49424
>>49388
also it's mentioned that wood is extremely rare and expensive earlier on in the film, and his whole everything is made of wood. It's the equivalent of building a whole room out of gold. Absolute madman
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No.49467
>>49260
can't track trunks with that baofeng.
sdf also provides a vpn.
remember that a vpn simply centralizes all your traffic, making you easier to track.
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No.49468
>>49467
Unless I can find a used trunking radio for cheap I'd stick to the UV-5R
sdf I heard were shitty for everything except email. I'm not sure if I want their VPN
I was also assuming that it's hard to identify where data is going if you direct it through a VPN server outside of nine gudgoy territory
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No.49470
Pic related is mine, dunno how schway it is
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No.49471
>>49470
Schway in its own way but holy autism batman, that's some fucking wallpaper.
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No.49480
>>49470
>ridiculously clean bookcase
>filthy unvacuumed floor
Im loving it. Wallpapers is schway as fuck who needs 3d anyway?
What else is in your vinyl collection?
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No.49482
>>49470
I have to ask … what do women say when they see the anime girls?
I don't want to just assume there are no women, at all, ever, that go into that room … but I'm having a really hard time imagining that scenario.
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No.49485
>>49482
I don't think girls like it, the wallpapers are a bit lewd, it could make them think that he only cares about sex, idk.
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No.49489
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No.49491
>>49467
Wrong. A vpn tracks your network activity but who is to say where you are accessing it from?
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No.49501
>>49482
There are no women
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No.49505
>>49501
Is that okay with you? I mean, is that the goal?
Let me put it this way, how would your room look different if you were trying to creep women out and never get laid?
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No.49506
>>49505
>trying to creep women out and never get laid
You see, with that kind of attitude, if she is in your room, you're clearly doing something wrong.
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No.49511
>>49505
I'm not actively looking for a woman as finding one I'd get along with I think is fairly rare, if I find someone great, but they'd have to be interested in similar stuff to me for me to even think about dating them, in the mean time, I'm not bothered, I'm thinking of it as being alone and if it happens nice but otherwise I'm not bothered, I'm content working and buying new tech and other stuff
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No.49521
>>49511
I can agree with this sentiment, a woman would waste my time. I don't really feel the need for a close relationship at the moment, so meh. The only reason I'd ever get someone is because I would want children, and even then I wouldn't be as interested in her as I am in them. Waifuism (if that's what anon is doing) is kinda like how people take vitamins instead of eating vitamin-rich foods. It takes half the effort, with the exact same payoff.
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No.49524
>>49219
i appreciate the post. i am in the market for a new keyboard (and new everything).
>tfw custody battle/divorce bankruptcy
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No.49639
>>29323
>non-functional rooms
Might be the truest thing said about minimalism. I love aesthetic, but i essentially get nothing by continually fantastizing about minimalist setups that devolve into non-functional entropy until I panic and repeat.
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No.49640
>>29361
>you should have dozens of computers and even more monitors crammed into your 20th floor study in a bad part of town.
Obsession over collecting useless crap until your hoard prevents you from doing anything useful (Ie. space necessary to do stuff), or worse clogs your mental space or time managing it until your effectively unable to live.
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No.49641
>>29470
>I haven't had any issues with this.
MS Office non-commercial license. etc. Smartscreen etc.
>I'm not a programmer, and even if I was I'd have better things to do than go through the source code of an operating system.
But don't you want other people to go through it and develop expertise, mods, better products? Would you prefer giant corps and govs be responsible for the control of your computing without any way to tell what they are doing ?
>My "neighbors" can help themselves at the nearest pirate site.
Doesn't solve issues with unaccountable government and corperate control, silo'd expertise, and intentional anti-features or price discrimination through non-commerial licsenses
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No.49642
>>29474
>FOSS operating systems can do the same.
But, they can be held accountable in principal by an informed consumer - which doesn't have to be you. Even just the theoretical oversight may be some deterrent to bad behavior.
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No.49643
>>29570
Out of your mind. A pile of monitors clogging all the space in your room is probably useless. Unless you have an actually need for many monitors, your problably just destroying your productivity, electric bill, and room
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No.49644
>>29631
>Not as retarded as freetards who think malware can't be identified, analyzed and reverse engineered if it doesn't have its source on Github.
This is a retarded oversimplification of reverse engineering. Take a realistic proprietary code base like Windows, OS X which is probably billions of lines of code.In gigabytes of binaries. No Individual or Community of people is going to reverse engineer a that for the purpose of using a computer. its far easier to just recreate everything , hence foss , and government demands for access to source files. Also, the binaries change with updates. Fuck that. Your just pretentiously pretending to be able to RE anything.
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No.49645
>>44885
>I am a cyberpunk who defines his idenity by technology and resistance to corperate control. I use windows.
Make a basic tear effort man. You like technology but prefer windows for familiarity? Everything stock. Do you even like technology? Isn't the point of being an ethusiast to learn about design decisions and deviate from stock? Does using Windows conflict with corperate resistance ethos?
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No.49646
>>49219
I'd rather implement features in software where they are configurable and updatable more easily. Also, having a simplier keyboard means lower mental overhead. Who would win, having a single purpose spell check button on keyboard, or F7 ? Eventually things get so complex that recoring macro's , a simple keyboard is probably better.
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No.49651
>>49646
More keys is not the only possible feature though, and proper legs or well-built case won't add any mental overhead.
And if you get into 60% keyboards territory, it's not just F7, it's a tricky 4-finger hotkey combo while switching between layers, and keeping it all in mind adds overhead too.
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No.49655
>>49651
All reasonable comments. Hyper minimalist could destroy productivity.
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No.49671
>>29255
I was always fond of that "cluttered and tightly packed back-alley shop" aesthetic. It somehow manages to look comfy.
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No.55013
>>36554
>Minimalism is only cyberpunk when it's useful
This is probably the core of it. This board is minimalist, it has a solid color background, basically black, and like a 2 color foreground scheme. Solid clean lines.
Minimalism can be much more useful than "maximalism". Neal Stephenson argues this in his "In the beginning there was the command-line" when he talks about how the additional layers of abstraction designed to help ease the learning curve for new users have actually inhibited them through "metaphor shear" - when the metaphors are imcomplete, and actually disguise whats actually going on, and this ultimately comes back to byte.
/Cyber/ definitely seems to be about avoiding this kind of metaphor impairment, and embracing minimalism as extreme utility rather than fashion consciousness or additional 'ease of use' mechanisms.
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No.55014
>>48934
Military is actually using the word "cyber-hygene" now, and APTs consistently gain initial footholds through perimeter firewalls via poor user training - a vulnerable user on your network is a threat to you and your data.
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No.55015
>>49298
YEAUP. I ran 4000 watts in bitcoin miners during the winter at my repair shop - it was cosy and profitable.
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No.55016
>>49467
where does this meme worthy crap come from? Heads up, 100% of your traffic goes through your local router to your ISPs local router unencrypted associated with your identity. Thats centralized, and non-anonymous. ISPs are few in number and probably subject to heavy government pressure, if not private sector advertising pressure (Cf. mobile providers swaping ads on your traffic through DPI)
V.S.
An encrypted connection, not associated with your legal identity to an organization whose only point is to not know your identity while playing ball with government legal requirements as best as possible. If you pay anonymously, you might be okay. Obviously, don't make terrorist threats over a VPN.
Its absolute non-sense saying using a VPN makes you easier to track, its fundamentally the opposite unless you mean makes it easier for the VPN company to track you. Choose your provider wisely, unlike ISPs there are a number of them.
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No.55017
>>49470
meme worthy. Holy fuck you printed your porn and put it on your while for your parents to see. They will remember this when you grow out of it. They will tell your fiancee and your wedding.
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No.55040
>>55017
don't bully him, he is more based than any of us
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No.55045
>>55040
Im not trying to bully anon, I am trying to do this man, and everyone else a favour. Don't tile your walls with tons of softcore anime porn? Pornography should be private, tiling your room is cringe, and the longer it goes on, the worse it gets.
If anon stops at 14, then its kind of a funny story:
>"Do you guys when anon first discovered girls? He printed a picture of every girl he could find, and posted it on his wall".
If it stops at 25 its radically different. It doesn't even need to be spoken, its altered everyone's view of you.
>"Do you remember anon? I am just so proud he got a girlfriend and some confidence. He really had a rough life."
Its easy to blackpill now because there is so much awareness, but girls don't want a blackpill'd guy, and getting your first girlfriend happens suddenly one day after being told it would never happen for years by people around you. Just masturbate in private man, don't fill your room with porn for parents and friends to see.
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No.55067
>>55045
Umm, follow the cultural practices that i have decided to classify as respectable because i have decided to classify them as such??
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No.55072
>>55067
>Umm, follow the cultural practices that i have decided to classify as respectable because i have decided to classify them as such??
More like, don't violate social taboo's about sharing your sexuality with your parents and friends by posting what amounts to fetish porn on your walls because despite 8chan saying its schway, it will have social consequences that outlive 8chan in your life.
Its not me personally. thats the problem. idgaf what porn you watch, and I understand your probably just a blackpilled teenager who will grow out of it.
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No.55098
>>49470
too much anime but i dig the little CRTs
>tfw my big CRT finally seems to have kicked the bucket
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No.55115
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No.55116
>>29312
>Sun Server frame
nice.
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No.55122
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No.55123
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No.55139
>>39039
>autists
When did it become a point of pride to be mentally handicapped?
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No.55141
>>39039
This is incredibly poetic, but there really isn't any truth to that.
Integrated Circuits are not like mechanical systems - they are layered, and the features are on the scale of nanometers. You can't really look at a CPU, or motherboard, or any other IC, and really "see poorly made parts".
The minimalism of modern design language doesn't really hide the complexity of modern electrical engineering - the scale of modern electrical engineering does. The "rotting carcasses" and "worms" under the "plastic pallor" cannot be seen.
Therefore, like you say in contrast to your own ideas
> A minimalist "design" doesn't represent the end products quality, merely it's presentation.
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No.55143
>>55139
Autism isn't neccessarily a mental handicap, more of a social one. Sure, some people with very serious autism are severely handicapped on a cognitive level, but they're quite rare in comparison to those with Aspergers or high functioning autism.
My friend's kid is autistic and I adore that little bugger. Kid's smart as a whip, just doesn't understand social interaction. I think, personally, that a lot of his methods of social interaction make a lot more sense than what is the norm, but I've also been of the opinion for the last couple decades that society is designed for morons to the exclusion of intellect.
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No.55146
>>55143
Your just fetishizing autism. Personally, I think thats an extremely negative sterotype, because it prepetuates the idea that intelligent people are socially inept nerds which is not necessarily the case. At my college, people see socially awkward people and comment about how "smart that guy is".
Humans are social animals, and being socially handicap isn't an upside. Autism isn't a trade off between intelligence and social skills taken too far toward intelligence and autistic people are not rainmen.
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No.55164
>>55143
>>55146
I completely agree. Social retardation is still retardation. You live in a society. Smart people would learn to take advantage of it instead of turning into a recluse. A group of morons can accomplish a lot more than a single super intelligent hermit.
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No.55165
>>55164
But the point was its not a choice between a group of morons and a super intelligent hermit.
From the wikipedia article:
>Acquiring language before age six, having an IQ above 50, and having a marketable skill all predict better outcomes; independent living is unlikely with severe autism.
>Savant Syndrome
>someone with significant mental disabilities demonstrates certain abilities far in excess of average
>rapid calculation, artistic ability, map making, or musical ability.
>The rarity of human calendar calculators is possibly due to the lack of motivation to develop such skills among the general population.
>RARE
Where are the autistic theoretical physicists ? The skills "Savant Syndrome" people have are not signs of super intelligence. They are amazing in *context*. Being autistic unfortunate and definitely doesn't make you a super intelligent hermit, statistically your IQ is below 50 and if your miraculous, your an expert at computing what day of the week it will be 3 years 33 weeks,and 4 days from now.
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No.55348
>>29306
Minimalists are the most consumerist people out there
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No.55592
>>29306
>equality
would make sense in a world where the 0.001% controls everything and you're just a glorified prolebot with a fleshy aspect to it
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No.55620
Cyberpunk is all about being a sort of vagabond. breaking the law is not required or recommended though. All these wannabe hackers that I see I feel pity for, because you won't make as much brouzouf as if you just culvated a marketable skill or talent with brouzouf, or just good spending habits and learned how to spend less.
secondly, hacking is an easy way to indentured servitude. look at sabu.
thirdly, I dont have a reddit account but I browsed the /r/vagabond subreddit and it was nothing but a bunch of entitled communist posting pictures of themselves panhandling or hitchiking or begging. you are not cyberpunk if you do this shit. If you are NEET, then fine, but don't beg. It is not that hard to stretch your brouzouf. I make my own bread every other day. Soylent, in comparison, is unhealthy as fuck (20g fat per bottle) and expensive. yet im sure there are some entitled babies who feel like they need all this high tech food, high tech tech toys, et cetera.
So yeah, using a thinkpad, or at least something other than absolutely top end product IS a prereq for cyberpunk. it is not punk to overspend or beg.
>>55348
very true. I almost would call minimalists people who try to get the minimal use out of each product. minimalists always have a thousand different tools for the same task. macbook. ipod. iphone. headphones. wireless speakers. it gets boring, contrived after a while. a real minimalist, in some situations, would either have a radio communicative device or a phone, and maybe a pair of earbuds.
>>55165
I agree with this. Physicists and the like benefit most from their diligence and good obedience to their study habits than any IQ. There are probably many people with 80-90 iq's who work as tradesmen in 3rd world countries but live decent, fulfilling lives because they at least go to work, unlike NEETs.
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No.56376
>>29340
l0l, Punk and equality. T0p fucking zuz
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No.56633
I don't know, dude.
I just like minimalism and cyberpunk.
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No.56634
Are you guys seriously arguing about this?
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No.56643
Minimalism is mostly for the braindead masses that got confused of all the shit nowadays.
If you want to pass your message today it has to be in a minimal design, making it seem a "heaven of relaxation" compared to the chaotic energy of everyday life.
I always thought of the whole concept like the memory vacations in total recall. Everything is shit but there is this little hole in reality that stands for you. Combine this with marketing/propaganda and you have the modern reality of safespaces and minimalistic digital design.
I think it is cyberpunk, but on the low life way, it's culture jamming in a way, a way to make you feel safe when everything is fucked up.
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No.56644
Good grief, chummers.
It's fucking simple:
Go for efficacy. If that cable running through your room in plain sight is practical, go for it.
If it isn't, don't just chuck it there for the purpose of looking cyber.
I know this is a LARPing board, but the point of this shit is to at least PRETEND you're living the style.
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No.56645
>>56644
i don't think cyberpunk is larping right now. this would be like larping to be fishing while fishing.
yeah many things didn't work out as was predicted but the general sense is here and there is no way most people with the background don't feel it
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No.56646
>>56645
>this would be like larping to be fishing while fishing.
The rp aspect is more like taking a fishing trawler out to sea, then casting out a fishing rod you'd use from the edge of a small lake. You're still fishing, but you're going overboard with the aesthetic.
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