/cow/ - Lolcows

Lmao, apparently this guy also believes HIV and AIDS are hoaxes. Guess its time for me to embrace the nigger poopdick then, don't worry I won't contract any diseases from it.

Can't wait for this meme diet to get big enough to start spawning something that rivals the vegan artbook.

>>733915

Contrapoints' HIV-poz lost twin.

>>733915

He talks like a nigger faggot Mickey Mouse on Valium.

im pretty sure the guys who explored the arctic in the 18th century ate nothing but protien and seal blubber and almost died because they didnt eat any fiber or starch, this dude looks skinny af and weak as fuck , so much for his " all mighty " diet. were onivores, we need to eat a varied diet. that includes plants, the saying goes, eat to survive not to slim.

>>733938

someone should POZ him and see what happens.

>>734094

Either that or lead poisoning from the cans they stored the food in.

Saw some of his compilation videos where he shows people becoming vegan and getting more and more emaciated/deluded/unhealthy through the years. Amusing, then I looked into him and realized he's taken a diet more restricted and retarded than the vegans.

>>734148

Yeah, the anti-vegan shit is mostly cherry-picked too, honestly 99% of the vegans I've encountered who aren't healthy or don't look healthy are on some kind of diet that has additional restrictions other than dariy, eggs, meat or they don't supplement. Most commonly its fruitarians and raw vegans who I see develop health problems as a result of their diet. I really don't get fruitarians at all, even orangutans and other frugivores usually eat leaves of certain plants and insects. Fruitarians and Paleo dieters are two sides of the same coin really, both believe that the natural human diet is the most healthy one, its just one mistakenly believes that only fruit is what's natural for humans to eat which is silly considering other primates don't eat only fruit, and the other believes that high meat, grain free, legume free, sometimes also nut and seed free diets are what's natural for humans, even though there is evidence of human grain consumption dating back tens of thousands of years, same for legume consumption. Plus its silly to think that we can't have evolved to better handle certain foods over a 10,000 year span, that's like 500 generations. Entire new species of salmon have evolved in as little as 13 generations.

In either case though, there really isn't anything "natural" about the human diet nowadays, most of the plants and animals we eat have been selectively bred to be more palateable, more nutritious, yeild more product, or or all of the above and this is a good thing. I'd rather eat a tomato than whatever green nightshade fruits the people who first started breeding tomato plants ate.

>>734278

Little known fact: cooking doesn't completely destroy vitamin C but it is one of the few micronutrients that's actually sensitive to heat. Only certain organ meats have vitamin c, buluga whale skin has some but most animal flesh does not. There is a lot more with this diet than just vitamin C though, I know a good deal about nutrition so I could go on and on about how obviously bad this diet is but I think anybody with basic common sense will find it obvious. With regards to the raw meat eating in particular and why cats can get away with it but we run risks by doing it. Actual carnivores, and most omnivores have physiological adaptions that allow them to eat raw meat regularly without getting sick from it, one thing that most omnivores and all carnivores have in common is a low gastric PH, they don't get sick from the bacteria in raw meat because those bacteria are destroyed by their strong stomach acids, gastric ph of carnivores and omnivores is around 1.5 to less than 1 even on a full stomach, which is very very acidic, humans gastric ph is much higher, in fact its in the range typical of herbivores. We can still avoid getting sick from the bacteria by cooking our food, and it often benefits us to cook more than just meat. A lot of nutrients aren't affected very much by the heat itself, though depending on cooking method some nutrients could go into the water or oil the food is cooked in. The increased bio availability of the nutrients from the cooked food offsets this though.

He also claims that water is toxic so he drinks blood and eggs or something idk, props to him though, he likes his eggs fertilized so at least he's above the chicken period meme that some vegans like to go on about since he's probably eating embryos and fetuses instead. Honestly I'm not sure whether the snake diet which has people drinking their own piss or sv3riges advice which has people drinking eggs with chicken semen in them and blood is worse. I've heard that you can get high from drinking your own urine though. My mentioning the snake diet and urine drinking just reminded me of feces wine in korea

>>734374

So basically, in a nutshell:

>Eating raw meat is a bad idea because it gets you an infection and certain nutrients are lost when eaten that way

>>734374

Humans can actually handle raw meat just fine, cooking it just makes it far less likely that you'll contract parasites from it. Not even obligate carnivores are immune to that. Other primates are no stangers to meat themselves- in fact, chimpanzees have actually been know to slaughter and eat certain small species of monkeys fairly often.

Going exclusively carnivorous or vegan is a shitty meme that's awful for your health.

>>734781

Obligate carnivores aren't immune but they are far more resistant to it with their dramatically lower gastric PH among other things, the chemicals present in their saliva even differ from that of animals who mainly eat plants. A vegan diet can actually supply all the needed nutrients given that you take b12, get some sensible sun exposure, and aren't a nigger, but I don't think a carnivore diet can. Contrary to popular belief eskimos actually do eat some plant foods so don't even bother bringing them up in protest. Getting all the nutrients may be possible if you also eat bones, and organ meats but really I'd hardly even compare it to veganism considering how much more lacking in flexibility and beneficial non-essential nutrients it is.

A great example of why a well balanced whether that be mixed or exclusively plant based with a b12 supplement is just a better idea is Vitamin A. Sv3rige claims that plants don't contain any vitamin A which is true but considering that preformed vitamin A is toxic to us in large quantities anyway that's actually a good thing and they do have precursors to it like Beta carotene and aside from mealworms which I don't think have very much, I can't think of any source of it off the top of my head other than plants, but there are also 500 or so different phytochemicals in the carotenoid family and while not all of them are effective as vitamin a precursors many of them still have anti-oxidant properties and are beneficial to our health, lutein for example is very protective of eye health and you can get tons of it from spinach and broccoli but I don't think you get any from meat and the amount in eggs is just pitiful, not to mention that animal derived foods either completely lack most of these remaining carotenoids or only have them in trace amounts just like with lutein. Its thought that many of these phytochemicals have synergistic effects with one another; that's why when you look at studies done on just a single vitamin or phytochemical supplement that is thought to be good for treating some condition its either useless, not as effective as we'd hope, or actually harmful. Some meme vitamin supplements like vitamin C and E for example are actually terrible for us and have been shown to induce oxidative stress rather than prevent it and decrease lifepsan when taken on their own. It dosen't help that the supplement industry is pretty much not regulated at all either, you don't even know if the supplement you are taking actually has the amount of the active ingredient it claims to have most of the time.

Vitamin A is just one example of this kind of thing, in case anyone has ever wondered why you've been told to avoid red meat in spite of the fact that its such a good source of iron. Its actually because heme iron's bioavailability is due entirely to its ability to bypass our regulatory mechanisms that prevent us from absorbing too much iron. Look up hemachromatosis if you're curious, excess iron induces oxidative stress and in people who can't regulate their absorption of it at all or just nowhere near as good as a regular person it causes serious health problems.

Many of these so called "better versions" of plant nutrients like heme iron and vitamin A are actually better to limit our consumption of in favor of their precursors in most cases. Most meats also don't vary widely from each other in terms of nutritional value, which I guess in a survival setting would be great since you know you can get certain nutrients consistently pretty much regardless of whichever environment you wander into but that's not so much a good thing if you're only eating that because sometimes an excess of certain nutrients can be harmful. Whereas plants vary widely in terms of which nutrients they have and to what degree. This means you can balance a vegan or mixed diet rather easily but a carnivore diet would most likely be very unbalanced and even if you get all of the essential nutrients, you'd not only miss out on a ton of beneficial non-essential nutrients but in addition to that you may be getting too much of certain ones by a significant margin which isn't going to be good. Its also unlikely that these carnivore diets will get the optimal amounts of certain nutrients like potassium for example, even if they get enough of them to stave off accute deficiencies, low-grade deficiency will still have some effects, even if it takes years for them to notice. I also can't help but think that the complete lack of fiber would be harmful too, I often wonder what carnivore dieters do since even carnivores eat the cocks of the digestive tracts of their prey. I don't seem to hear carnivore dieters mentioning anything about them sucking out the already digested grasses and soybeans out of cow bellies though.

>>734017

That's exactly what he sounds like!

He 100% sounds like this!

Give this anon some kind of award asap!

>>734017

so a swede

>>735663

>ask me anything

Constipation? You were getting none fiber.

Pain? Swollen muscles joints? Pale skin? Low energy? You were getting little C and D and none vitamin K.

>>735778

> Constipation? You were getting none fiber.

No constipation for the entire duration. Fiber is just waste, so if you cut out fiber there is almost nothing to produce poop from. Maybe other food types can cause constipation, but I had no issues with only meat. That said, I only pooped every second day. It was no constipation, when I finally had to go it came out easily and only small amounts, so it's not like I was clogged up with shit.

> Pain? Swollen muscles joints? Pale skin?

None of those

> Low energy?

Yes, but I was low-energy before. I have health issues and I was trying lots of things, so I'm not really in the kind of mental state where I could blame it on the diet alone.

> You were getting little C and D and none vitamin K.

There seems to be an interesting thing going on with vitamins where you need less if you consume less food that competes with these vitamins for absorption. Basically, just because you eat X amount of a nutrient, doesn't mean that X amount of it will actually make it into your system. This is for example the reason why eating a fruit will raise your sugar levels less than if you squeezed the juice out of the fruit and threw the solid parts away.

>>735820

>Native primitive populations around the world are mostly eating meat with little plant food, and they survive just fine.

Well I have to commend you for using the word "survive" because nearly any other way of putting it would carry the implication that their lifestyles are healthy, still I'd hate to have anyone interpret your sentences as meaning that imitating their diet is a good or even an okay thing to do.

https://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2014/08/fish-oil-and-eskimo-diet-another-medical-myth-debunked/

Its a myth that eskimos are at all healthy or don't get heart disease, they actually have higher rates of stroke and about the same heart disease risk as westerners. And if they were sedentary like americans are they'd probably have higher heart disease risk than even them tbh, though I doubt they'd chose to eat raw flesh if they had other options, and you kinda can't obtain a sedentary lifestyle without agriculture anyway. If you've ever tried to eat raw meat before you know that it dosen't have much flavor most of the time. Cooked almost always has more flavor. Eskimos really aren't a population to be looked up to, they are basically snow niggers when you think about it.

>They're dark skinned

>Cold Climate dwellers

>IQ lower than ours

>no civilization

>literally chucking spears like a bunch of fucking feather niggers did before whitey discovered the new world "stole their land"

>That's not how it works

Yes, yes it literally is,

> there is no telling what else you end up changing in the process for the worse.

That's why you stop breeding the plants that give you unpleasant surprises. You realize that many of these anti-nutrient boogymen these paleo types like to go on about were actual higher in the wild ancestors of most of our modern crops than in most of our modern crops right? Most plants that are harmful to eat in the long run have short term negative effects as well.

>the grains we have been eating over the last century have nothing in common with those grains our ancestors ate

I know right? Its not like both ancient and modern wheat are grasses or anything, totally different amiright? In all seriousness though, modern wheat has less of these anti-nutrient boogymen that these paleo dieters like to vilify than wild wheat does and its also got less gluten. Early strains of cultivated wheat were selectively bred to have more starch and less gluten than their wild counterparts, its only recently that gluten cocks in wheat crops has gone up again but even then, its still not as high as that of wild wheat.

>Since you brought up fruit, the fruit we eat today is much higher in sugar than it is naturally supposed to be.

First of all there is no "supposed to be" because nature does not have an intent, secondly you are wrong about that

https://deniseminger.com/2011/05/31/wild-and-ancient-fruit/

>>733796

I just remembered that one argument he had with a fellow raw meat eater and 2 vegans. It was a 4 hour long stream and not the most entertaining thing to watch all the way through but it had its moments.

I embedded sv3riges archive of the debate but I'll link vegan gain's archive just because I like reading both the anti-meat and anti-vegan shittalking and both vegan gains and sv3riges comments sections are one sided for the most part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk3YvBzmBys

>>743814

A lot of this reeks of infiltration. Same with how occupy wallstreet was legitimate for like maybe a month before all the stoners, hyperliberals and communists showed up to make a mockery of the whole thing and it collapses in on itself. Granted it was doomed from the start but still.

>>736208

How are those of us with a high risk of genetic heart disease supposed to escape our hardened arterial wall fate then, other than diet and exercise? There must be something we can do with diet or something.

>>743814

>ancaps are batshit insane

braindead collectivist detected

>>734256

>the vegans I've encountered who aren't healthy or don't look healthy are on some kind of diet that has additional restrictions other than dariy, eggs, meat or they don't supplement.

>or they don't supplement.

Can you really claim that a diet is healthy if you need to eat supplements to stay healthy?

>>744621

>collectivist

*smuckles*

Shadilay

>>744621

Braindead hyperindividualist detected.

>>744621

What are you talking about? We're all big brained Liberalistismists here.

>>744624

If you are going to go there then you may as well argue that its impossible for 50+ year olds to have healthy diets because due to their high risk of b-12 deficiency they are reccomended to take supplements since they don't absorb it from food as well as young people. Considering most people above 50 are fucking booms I can't say I find the idea of all of them slowly dying unappealing, but hopefully you can already see the absurdity of that kind of reasoning.

B-12 is made by bacteria, the only reason meat has as much as it does, which honestly still isn't a ton since its proven to not be consistently adequate in people who have slightly below average ability to absorb it, is because 1 livestock are actually given b-12 supplements because due to modern sanitation practices they are at risk of deficiency as well, and 2, fecal contamination of the meat, it happens more than you think.

If you really want to go completely supplement free you have a choice of not washing your hands or showering at all and rolling around in manure like a pig, or eating actual shit, but I assume most people would rather not do that. Eating meat isn't really an alternative to b-12 supplementation since its pretty much just secondhand supplementation. When it comes to vitamin d there are only 4 ways to get enough, the first gives you skin cancer, the second is supplements, the third is a retarded cucknivore diet which will probably give you heart diease really quickly and the fourth is to blast mushrooms with a uv light or put them out in the sun so they'll produce d2 which raises serum levels the same as d3. Anyone who tells you otherwise hasn't read the medical literature, or has read it but never bothered to learn how to interpret it.

So which supplement-free dietary and lifestyle protocol do you want? The sun-bathing skin cancer causing look like you're 40 when you're 20, roll around in and eat shit one, or is is the limited sun exposure eskimo diet, be lucky to live to 60 because you've got twice the risk of stroke as a typical american and the same risk of heart disease one? Considering the supplement industry's complete lack of regulation I understand not being trusting of supplements, but with b-12 and d in particular the most basic bloodwork usually tests for these so its pretty easy to figure out whether or not you're getting ripped off and buying something that's mostly or only filler. Plus neither of these supplements are harmful unless you are mega-overdosing. B-12 in megadoses can worsen acne but its not hard to avoid a megadose, you'd just have to only take one pill like a normal person, vitamin d if you get too much can pull too much calcium into your blood which can fuck you up, but even 10,000 iu a day for a litttle while isn't going to do that and most people don't bother with such doses anyway. Only people i've seen take more than 6,000 iu a day of that are gymbros who think that more vit d automatically = more testosterone and gains. Really that's not how endocrinology works, its like thinking that more bricks = more brick houses built even though you've only hired one worker and he's already working double overtime. In any case these supplements are safer than the normal ways of getting these nutrients which is sunlight and risk of bacterial infections.

>>753413

This is some of the most reaching non sequitur bullshit I've ever seen.

>if you don't want to take manufactured vitamins of dubious effectiveness then you don't wash your hands LOL

Neck yourself for the sake of our entire species.

Take this thread to /fit/ if you’re not gonna talk about the crazy rotten meat flat earth incest guy.

>>754758

This is what happens when the media flood everyone's senses with fake celebrity doctors and other crap. It makes everything seem equally believable and unbelievable to the mentally uninitiated.

>>754931

Panaceas and bogus silver bullets for health have been around for a long time. You ever hear the trope about a traveling circus selling miracle elixir?

Weak-willed, gullible and desperate people love it when someone tells them everything they want to hear, and have no concept of "too good to be true." A glug of jilly juice and rubbing some essential oils on your face is supposed to cure everything.

>>754972

>and have no concept of "too good to be true."

I'd say it's a bit more than that. They only believe what they do because some equally or more retarded was shown to be as such to them, so they become more susceptible to what that same person pushes. I've never once in my life met someone who was a vegan or meatfag solely on its own merits. It was always in response to hearing the alternative was terrible for you.

There are tons of natives that consume raw meat and high meat (fermented meat) usually it's fish, cow and goat. Raw pig's meat tastes terrible and chicken can give you salmonella. It's quite possible to eat raw meat as long as it's local and grassfed, industrial meat is usually laced with tons of shit (like amonia to kill parasites) because industrial rations are like steroids for parasites.

But he goes full retard on the plant shit (not even getting into his autistic intuitions about flat earth), native tribes will usually consume a high protein diet during winter and a high carb diet during summer, it will be function of what is available. The only folks who are almost meat exclusive (and also consume meat mostly raw) are Inuits and their cousins, since shit doesn't grow in the far north.

Still, he still is very anti-scientific, i don't know if he is well intended or just mentally ill, the way he talks and expresses feelings (those little random laughs between each sentence) kind of point to someone who is mimicking a normal person.

>>755163

Natives need carbs because they're likely going to be moving around a lot. Carbs and sugar provide absolutely no benefit to people that are largely sedentary like our population.

>>755163

Yeah, what low-carbers and the more recent carnivore dieters either don't know or don't mention is that the parasites these natives get from eating raw flesh often have the effect of lowering serum cholesterol. That and many of these high-flesh/high-raw flesh, native tribes consume medicinal herbs on top of that. The massai are an often cited example of natives who consume fatty diets yet are in "good health" but really the only reason the massai aren't all fat and dying of heart attacks is because their food supply is inconsistent so they'll occasionally go for multiple days without eating and they consume a ton of medicinal herbs. Most of these carnivore dieters aren't eating diets which even remotely resemble those of the flesh-loving tribes they like to parade around. Shawn Baker and some of these other carnivore dieters mostly eat skeletal muscle tissue, but massai who are often used as examples of high-meat tribes got a significant portion of their calories from blood, which some of these meaters don't eat/drink at all.

>>755402

Actually carbs do provide a benefit. You do realize that its not just the muscles that store glycogen right? Its the brain and liver as well and the brain uses up a very significant portion of the calories you intake. Also red blood cells run exclusively on glucose, they will not use any other fuel not even ketones. Yeah, you can make carbs via gluconeogenesis but if all the extra protein you eat just ends up as carbs anyway it makes far more sense to just eat carbs directly. Also I'd really reccomend looking into de novo lipogenesis, conversion of carbs into bodyfat is actually LESS efficient than conversion of dietary fat into bodyfat, this idea that carbs will make you fat is just bro-science faggotry. If this retarded insulin theory were true then every fruitarian who dosen't eat tomatoes, cucumbers, and avacadoes exclusively would be fat and no low carbers would be overweight. And also with regards to insulin, no insulin secretion does not damage insulin receptors or the cells in the pancreas which secrete insulin, some fatty acids and other lipids however, actually do have negative effects on insulin sensitivity. Table sugar can contribute to or cause diabetes but only because since its pure calories without any fiber or phytochemicals which help to regulate the absoption rate of sugar into the blood stream it causes a spike in blood sugar, which then causes a dip. This dip in blood sugar then causes highenten triglycerides and remember what I said about lipotoxicity? Yeah, but this won't happen with most fruits or whole grains, white rice and white flour shit are best to stay away from though, if you do eat empty carbs - ones with no fiber or nutritional value at all its best to accompany the meal with vegetables since the fiber in them will probably help to blunt the blood sugar spikes from refined crap just a little bit. Also I'm pretty sure glycogen stores will oxidize with or without physical activity. The rate at which they do just goes up exponentially when excersizing. Glycogen stores in the muscles will need to be restored no matter what.

>>754758

People stopped believing in science ages ago. It’s like climate change deniers rolling coal on Prius and shit. Just dumb people doing dumb shit everywhere you look. Hence the measles making a comeback. Stone Age mentality gets you Stone Age problems.

>>754469

Without K you cannot adequately produce enough blood clotting proteins and that’s a problem. Although usually a deficiency is caused by liver damage someone who outright avoids eating plants would likely have one. He’s right.

>>755799

> People stopped believing in science ages ago.

When science fails you, then pseudoscience is all that is left to you.

>eating that in any crowd

>>756163

>Eating that

>Feeding that to any sentient creature

>Not tossing it in an industrial incinerator and then cleaning off the incinerator with bleach to keep the E. cola and Ebola from spreading.

Its pretty ironic how these carnivore dieters think that plants are toxic yet extensive medical literature shows that its eating flesh that will lower your life expectancy and comparative anatomy between humans and mamalian carnivores, omnivores, and herbivores shows that human anatomy perfectly matches herbivore physiology. We literally have nothing in common with anatomical omnivores or carnivores, regardless of whether or not our behavior suggests otherwise. Contrary to popular belief herbivores can eat meat and won't die from it immediately the vast majority of the time, they just develop atherosclerosis as a consequence of that and run a risk of getting parasites and infections if they eat it raw.

https://www.ecologos.org/anatomy.htm

Considering all of the carnivore dieters who've posted bloodwork have LDL over 200 and high triglycerides as well its really only a matter of time before they get heart attacks unless infectious diseases or accidental deaths get them first. I mean their cholesterol scores are as high or higher than that of most obese people.

>>756447

Look, I'm not sure what you're trying to get at with that wall of text but eating a balanced diet of meats, plants and their byproducts is the normal way to do it and unless you have some kind of fucked up intolerance to a certain category of food.

>>754758

not if the animal itself is not sick

>>734094

Wrong, they ate rabbit and seal meat

Had they ate significant amounts of blubber, they would have been ok

>>756141

It's pseudoscience that was forced politically the one that failed

But as it was advertised as science, the retards think it is

Even then, Prius drivers deserve to be smogged on

>>797472

Lmao, you're retarded.

>>756447

>>>Herbivore

Kys you psychotic vehan

>>759773

I think he wants a thread here about vegans too.

>>756279

Eating what?

THIS SHIT WAS YESTERDAY

ABSOLUTE MADLAD

There's a lot of freaks worshipping this hobo-looking mong over at /pol/, it's fucking hilarious.

>>854498

No, there isn't.

>>734848

jesus christ use better spacing that fucking wall of text rapes my eyes

gatis early girlfriend's pics are on foxdickwfarms lol

https://foxdickfarms.st/threads/sv3rige-kids-range-gatis.41531/page-101