6f56da No.851187[Last 50 Posts]
Wow I love Protestantism! Sola Scriptura!? YES! Sola Fide? YES!
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489a0f No.851188
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d278f6 No.851189
>>851187
Great, now which branch of Protestantism are you referring to?
Lutheranism? Presbyterianism? Episcopalianism? Pentecostalism? Rosicrucianism?
Or do you just mean the chimera of "TikTok Christianity" that is masquerading around…
Protestantism, at its core, is taking your own spiritual Path upon yourself. That means no idolatry to any priests or saints (many now practice idolatry of Jesus) and the responsibility to discern and make up your own mind.
That's hard to do if you're letting other Protestants tell you how to be a Protestant.
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489a0f No.851190
>>851189
I see what you mean but that's not accurate. Protestantism isn't DIY Christianity, but it does reject the idea of implicit faith.
Anyway don't take the bait, at least let's keep it in the one thread we already have on this topic
>>850546
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d278f6 No.851192
>>851190
>That's not accurate. Protestantism isn't DIY Christianity, but it does reject the idea of implicit faith.
Lmao what
According to whom, according to what?
Have you read the 95 Theses that the Reformation and all of Protestantism is founded upon? Have you read the Beatitudes or the gospel of Thomas?
You clearly don't know what Protestantism is.
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7c9cbd No.851207
>>851192
>You clearly don't know what Protestantism is.
That's the problem. No one really does and there's no definitive answer.
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23443e No.851215
>openly supporting homosexuality is the fault of sola scriptura
i hope nobody actually think this
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0ed68b No.851230
>>851207
It's just something that some people who baptize infants use to describe their own offshoots that also do the same thing. Some of them may be saved but their leaders aren't and they are all in irregular, ahistorical churches. Technically these would not meet the requirements of a church, and they do not therefore have the authority of a church. Their more accurate definition is a political group.
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6f56da No.851232
>>851230
>actually believing baptist succesionist/trail of blood conspiracy theory
Lol nice cope. You're a Prot just like the rest. Get over it.
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0ed68b No.851233
>>851232
Why yes, I do believe in valid church succession.
Matthew 28:20 says this:
>Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
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6f56da No.851235
>>851233
>Why yes, I do believe in valid church succession.
Good, you do well in that regard, proving that even the demons (like you) believe in such things, and tremble. Too bad you are not apart of that succession, instead you belong to just another Prottie Prot sect that came out of 17th century English separatism. Cope harder, Prot.
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0ed68b No.851237
>>851235
>Good, you do well in that regard, proving that even the demons (like you) believe in such things, and tremble.
Actually what James says in his 2nd chapter is that the devils believe that there is one God. There are plenty of cults that teach there is one God, Judaism and Islam for example, but they have a false god that is not Triune.
>Too bad you are not apart of that succession,
That is where you are wrong, my friend.
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6f56da No.851238
>>851237
>Actually what James says in his 2nd chapter is that the devils believe that there is one God. There are plenty of cults that teach there is one God, Judaism and Islam for example, but they have a false god that is not Triune.
Exactly, like you! You claim to believe in a Triune God, you do good there! You claim to believe in scriptures! Great! But do you actually live by the scriptures? Seems not to be the case, considering the fact that you completely reject various teachings from the scriptures. Truth is, you're a cult too. Anderson, your meme pastor, is the best representation of your cultish qualities, openly worshiping the KJV Bible as God. BLASPHMEY! You are nothing but idolaters and you twist the word of God to conform to your false traditions, traditions of men, not of God, not of the Holy Spirit, which you do not have. You are demonic, you are a cult, and unless you repent, you are going to hell.
>That is where you are wrong, my friend.
Sorry but no. Cope harder, Prot.
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0ed68b No.851239
>>851238
>You claim to believe in a Triune God, you do good there! You claim to believe in scriptures! Great!
I am glad you are in agreement there.
>But do you actually live by the scriptures?
Yes.
>You are nothing but idolaters and you twist the word of God to conform to your false traditions, traditions of men, not of God, not of the Holy Spirit, which you do not have.
Such as what example? I do not live in Arizona nor have I met anyone by the name of Anderson.
>Truth is, you're a cult too.
What do you mean "too"? Are you in a cult, anon? Or were you in one before?
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fb943a No.851240
>>851207
>That's the problem. No one really does and there's no definitive answer.
You didn't read my original post @ >>851189 did you. You're basically agreeing with what I'm saying, although I do believe there are many who do have many of the answers. The bad ones with the answers make the cults and the good guys who have the answers are getting killed off for speaking the truth.
>>851239
>>851238
any religious group that tells someone what to think or believe (99% of all religion) is fundamentally a cult. The 1% of religions that are not a cult teach you how to think, without reliance on any sort of singular scripture. Hence the original purpose of the Reformation all the way back in 1517.
If your spiritual path is led by anything other than your personal experience of, or relationship with, the Divine, then you are being led into a cult.
Cults give you answers to believe, the Divine gives you questions you must discover the answers for yourself.
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0ed68b No.851241
>>851240
>The 1% of religions that are not a cult teach you how to think, without reliance on any sort of singular scripture.
You seem to have confused hearing the word of God and believing it with other things. Jesus Christ himself said, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
Indeed, God's word is inspired and is "the truth." Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God (Matthew 4:4). "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." (John 17:17).
>If your spiritual path is led by anything other than your personal experience of, or relationship with, the Divine, then you are being led into a cult.
Psalm 119:105 says "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path."
>the Divine gives you questions you must discover the answers for yourself.
Luke chapter 11 says this:
>9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
>10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
>11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
>12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
>13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
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7c9cbd No.851242
>>851240
>You're basically agreeing with what I'm saying,
Ah! The internet! Where even if you agree, people will take offense and disagree with you.
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7c9cbd No.851243
>>851230
Do Baptist believe in confession then, like they did when the disciples of John the Baptizer had his disciples confess their sins to him before they were baptized?
btw, you graphic is just wrong. The baptist religion was not only not founded by Jesus, but it was founded in 1609 as a heretic from Anglicanism which was heretical from the Catholic Church so that King Henry VIII could just divorce his wives instead of chopping their heads off.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Smyth_(Baptist_minister)
I mean, this graphic isn't even an allegory or parable: it's just wrong
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0ed68b No.851244
>>851243
James 5:16 says
>"Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."
If this is what you mean, then yes. If you mean confession booths, then no because that was invented by an antichrist religion much much later.
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23443e No.851265
>>851244
>that pic
>implying Romanism was founded by Constantine
>implying Romanism even existed in the 4th century
>implying the EO church split off from Rome
>implying Baptist successionism at all
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5512b0 No.851266
>>851241
Again, you are essentially agreeing with me.
The verses you quote do not refute my claim, but actually support it. Nowhere did I say that studying the Bible or speaking to others were not included–we are all an extension of the Divine therefore we are all lamps unto each other's feet. That is why it is imperative to listen to all perspectives and form your own, because what is Holy cannot be described, only experienced, and if you are an extension of the Divine (a son of God) then you inherently have His message within you.
[side note: if you consider yourself a son of God you literally consider yourself a demigod. And if you are a demigod you are capable of at least finding the connection to your spiritual source yourself, without devotion to a person or a church or even a single book.]
>You seem to have confused hearing the word of God and believing it with other things. Jesus Christ himself said, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
You seem to have confused yourself, friend, your verse directly supports what I'm saying. What do you think it is that you shall be free from when you learn the Truth? For when you glimpse Truth, it becomes increasingly difficult to lie to you. It becomes increasingly difficult to indoctrinate you.
>Indeed, God's word is inspired and is "the truth." Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God (Matthew 4:4). "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." (John 17:17).
You may believe what you like, just as I may. I believe the original work of the Bible was Divinely-inspired, yes. Some of the concepts remain in-tact. I also believe that after the centuries of language evolution, multiple translations from different languages, government involvement in teaching, distributing, and indoctrinating that have given us the modern Bible, the English version of the texts are what some might call a Great Apostasy. If you learn Aramaic, Greek, and some Latin then I'm sure the original texts will illuminate and sanctify.
>Psalm 119:105 says "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path."
Even so, regardless of my claim, the Bible is but one source, a secondhand source, to the experience of God directly. As much as it may illuminate the path of some, it assuredly fills others with false expectations of what Divine intervention actually looks like, for it is in all of our lives, every day.
>Luke chapter 11 and all those verses
You still are not disproving me. You're just throwing out verses about asking God for things.
How about you ask Him for a brand new Ferrari, I'm sure you will get it lol.
Alas, you're still proving my point, if you were to obey the verses you quoted it would still result in you asking and finding within your own personal experience with God. Nowhere do those verses say ask your priest, or that your congregation shall give you answers. It instructs you to take it before God, and God alone, which again is a fundamentally personal relationship.
Perhaps you should reread my posts with the perspective that we are, at least in part, agreeing with one another, instead of receiving it through the lens of some sort of attack on your faith. Simply trying to disprove me with scripture is a very lazy & cliche way to conduct a discourse and I'd actually be interested in hearing your personal thoughts and experiences, not your mouthpiece to a book I've already read.
>>851242
Lol exactly.
People are so eager to disagree, even when they're saying the same thing without realizing it.
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0ed68b No.851278
>>851266
>How about you ask Him for a brand new Ferrari, I'm sure you will get it lol.
We were told in Scripture that we shall not tempt the Lord our God.
>The verses you quote do not refute my claim, but actually support it.
Reliance on the revealed truths of God's inspired word goes against the central point of being without reliance on "any sort of" scripture. I acknowledge that it is through the word that God spoke to us through his Son that we receive knowledge of Christ. Christ himself said that man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. That's from Luke 4:4.
Writing to the Romans in the epistle Romans x. 17, Paul infallibly stated the following fact, "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." In 1 Peter i. 23, Peter wrote under inspiration that we are "born again" by "the incorruptible, by the word of God" and also specifying in the next verse that "the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you."
So then we do have a reliance on God for having provided us his everlasting word, scripture. Jesus himself stated infallibly, "If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you."
It also says in Psalm 119:116 this: "Uphold me according unto thy word, that I may live: and let me not be ashamed of my hope."
It also says in Proverbs 4:4, "Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live."
God also says in John 6:63, "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
>You may believe what you like, just as I may.
If you go against the word of God, that simply means you are incorrect though. It means one has gone against "the truth" despite not recognizing it. People may have the ability to resist the truth of the Holy Bible, but "many" will also end up dying in their sins because of it, and suffer the consequences of it, by an eternal dishonor, shame, & suffering in the lake of fire. Matthew 25:41 says this: "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"
It is virtuous to teach the truth in order to avoid this consequence, because of the fact that "he that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."
>For when you glimpse Truth, it becomes increasingly difficult to lie to you. It becomes increasingly difficult to indoctrinate you.
>Nowhere do those verses say ask your priest, or that your congregation shall give you answers. It instructs you to take it before God, and God alone, which again is a fundamentally personal relationship.
Not only is this true, but also in Hebrews 10:25 we are told, "let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."
So then assembling as a church is one of the commandments given directly by God to his followers as seen here. However, we rely on God to receive knowledge of the truth directly from himself and his word. Those who are of like faith and practice will be brought together by providence and exist in churches because this is part of the will of God for their lives.
>the modern Bible, the English version of the texts are what some might call a Great Apostasy.
That would be the critical text. Use the KJV which is more accurately based on the original languages from the 1st century and you will be ok.
>Perhaps you should reread my posts with the perspective that we are, at least in part, agreeing with one another, instead of receiving it through the lens of some sort of attack on your faith.
I posted all of this to clarify. I do not know to what extent you agree or disagree, but one thing I do know is that we are reliant on God for revealed truth in his word about his nature and his Son, among many other things. Hebrews 1:1-2 tells us that God spoke to us by his prophets and his Son. 2 Peter 1:19-21 tells us that we have a "more sure word of prophecy" and that "no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation," and that "holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." And in other words, faith comes by hearing, and hearing comes by the word of God (Romans 10:17).
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3e5d45 No.851281
I'm an Anabaptist as of recently and its kind of funny how much more like Catholics and Orthodox than other protestants. I only have the methodist role because Methodism is closest to what I believe
>sola whata?
>Matthew 16:13 means Peter is the rock of the church
>early church fathers are inspired
>Apocrypha is inspired
>no eternal security
>maintain salvation by works of obedience
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489a0f No.851286
>>851281
What Anabaptist tradition affirms those things and rejects sola fide? Are you forgetting that the swiss brethren broke away from Zwingli and were called the radical reformation'?
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3e5d45 No.851287
>>851286
>>851286
Amish are notorious for supposed 'works salvation'
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739990 No.851288
>>851287
Yes most Amish lost the plot on the issue of legalism even in the eyes of other Anabaptists
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3e5d45 No.851289
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>>851288
Repentance isn't legalism. Jesus said if you do not repent you will likewise perish. The Anabaptist understanding is shown here. You are first saved by grace through faith. Then you maintain your salvation by works of love towards God.
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489a0f No.851290
>>851289
Yes that's works salvation in the exact same say as the roman church. What Anabaptist tradition teaches that, and the others you referenced?
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489a0f No.851291
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3e5d45 No.851292
>>851290
The Roman Church has the trinity too. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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489a0f No.851294
>>851292
Are you avoiding the question?
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3e5d45 No.851296
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489a0f No.851297
Well absent response I've found that your statement of the gospel by faith and works contradicts the Dordrecht confession
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489a0f No.851298
>>851296
If you're being sarcastic that's pretty funny. If you want to discuss it I'm all ears. I would like to know which Anabaptist tradition you subscribe to which fits your previous description
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3e5d45 No.851299
>>851298
Primitivism. Anabaptism is just a line of best fit. The traditions and exposition of the 1st-4th century fathers takes precedence.
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3e5d45 No.851300
>>851297
What are you talking about?
>bring forth fruits of repentance
>reform your life
>eschew evil and DO good
>desist from unrighteousness
>forsake sin
>put off the old man with his deeds, and put on the new man
All 'works' by prottie's estimation.
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489a0f No.851302
>>851300
Yes all of these are works by everyone's definition. The question is whether they are contributory towards salvation
>>851299
So not Anabaptist at all. Got it.
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3e5d45 No.851303
>>851302
Why do you bother trying to read things? The confession you just posted said all those things must be done by regenerated believers.
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f97c0c No.851306
>>851189
>(many now practice idolatry of Jesus)
Exactly how does one commit idolatry by worshipping God?
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489a0f No.851307
>>851303
Yes like every Protestant confession
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3e5d45 No.851312
>>851307
You're right. So I guess the only question is if man has a free will or not, and there is no Calvinism or Augustinianism in Anabaptism. So that was a nice conversation. Thanks fren.
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c4f1f3 No.851934
>Sola Scriptua
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
18 Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace.
29 And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
1 Kings 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.
1 Kings 15:12 And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.
1 Kings 22:46 And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.
2 Kings 23:7 And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.
Now show me where scripture supports sodomy
>sola fide
there is an exactly 0(zero)% chance they actually believe faith alone and OSAS
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7c9cbd No.851964
Protestantism isn't even a religion of itself, it's a collection of religions who's only thing in common is just being "anti-Catholic". There's nothing in common with all the protestant religions. Some don't even follow the Nicene creed i.e. they're not even Christian as many of our protestant brothers point out.
The "No True Scotsman" argument isn't even wrong here, as any protestant can simply say that this or that objection to their belief is not their belief, and continue to attack the Catholic Church on trivial matters.
Protestantism is wicked that way, it's adherents are trapped in their own beliefs and cognitive bias.
Many of the protestants who become Catholic drag their protestant beliefs with them. More than once I've heard a "Catholic" priest preach something Lutheran and against various church dogma from valid Popes.
Remember, Saint James only converted 8 people, and the pagans were better pond to fish in that the Pharisees.
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df07a4 No.851992
>>851237
Pretty sure jews believe a triune god to some extent is just that they dont accept Jesus as the 2nd person thus believe in an incomplete god.
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0ed68b No.851993
>>851992
For judaism some teach unitarianism, others teach manichaean dualism, just depends on the time of day and what the weather looks like. But the point here is that James tells us they believe in one God. That does not imply they believe in the true God to any extent according to that passage, it only means that some of them are not polytheists. It is saying if you want to fall back on not being a polytheist, that is not enough. And Obviously, he who denies the Son shall not have the Father, according to 1 John 2:22-23.
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e7d031 No.852015
>>851192
>Gospel of Thomas
>Protestantism
What
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000000 No.852019
>>851992
Most Jews ignore Isaiah 53. In doing so, they neglect the prophet's description of Jesus' life and death. "Pieced for our transgressions" "Led like a lamb to the slaughter". All prophecies fulfilled in Christ.
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75f2d9 No.852021
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Once the Muslims were expelled in Granada by the Catholic Kings in 1492 (including Jews), and the Hapsburg Family took control of the United Kingdom of Spain (Castile + Aragon in one kingdom), by Charles I of Spain & V of HRE - and there were plans to conquer Constantinople, the Protestant Factor appears with the "SHAME" propaganda: "muh indulgencies" "muh idols" "muh they hate Jews". Martin Luther in his thesis, he condemned Jews, but he said it because he was trying to gain the favor of the Germans - that's all. Martin Luther did NOTHING to stop Jewish usury.
The Protestants declared the Holy Roman Empire as a threat, but the Turks as "ALLIES" - yes, in XVth Century.
Battle of Mohacs in 1520, where Hungarian Lutherans betrayed Catholics and allowed Turkey take over Hungary… This is just one aspect of the betrayal behaviour of Protestants - led by Porky Jews.
Queen Elizabeth I of England - the HEAD of the Church of England -, allying with Moroccans in an attempt to destroy Spain; by hiring pirates and corsairs to assult Spanish ships.
(((William of Orange))) - who destroyed Catholic monasteries, and ordered to execute Catholics in Netherlands (Flanders), once he achieved his revolution. Boers were their subjects. By the end, they were seized by the same Orange Family.
Ecumenism started by Church Council - led by Protestants for many Christian denominations.
Protestantism is a cancer - this is a reminder that they betrayed Western Europe, and they betrayed the Kingdom of Heaven.
Now the next time you're going to larp against Catholic Church, against Meds, against Spain, against Hitler, remember that your stupid sects are mainly responsible for the dystopian nightmarish world we're living right now.
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75f2d9 No.852022
>>851281
>>851281
Protestant religions are extremely stupid. But I respect their conservatism.
Anabaptists began as a sect founded by (((Ulrico Zuinglio))), a seditious Iconoclastic kike, who caused chaos and anarchy and burnt monasteries, Catholic temples, killed priests, nuns… Any despicable thing could you imagine.
Now they're peaceful, because they're not controlled by a kike directly. But I bet they're like "Muh God Bles lsraeI".
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c6f6e8 No.852037
>>851187
>that video
>"Is Christianity the only way?"
>"Nope"
Then I have no reason to care about anything you have to say.
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bd7a7e No.852387
>>851187
That second dude isn't a Protestant. I have another one with him, look at the back of the room.
>Muh based Orthodoxy
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bd7a7e No.852388
>>852021
Give me the best history books about this. I always hear that Protestantism led to (((capitalism))) but have never had sources.
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23443e No.852399
>>851187
>>852387
>name is "pastor shawn"
>works in Latin-style 'church', wearing Latin garb
>"guys, he's orthodox because he has a Russian Cross!!!!"
You do realize the Russian Cross isn't an exclusively Orthodox symbol, nor is it the only cross Orthodox use, right?
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420cbb No.852401
>>851230
this image is so funny no historian ever believes this
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000000 No.852406
>>852401
Some protestant faiths require a belief of something easily falsified.
You can't change that, but you know the religion is false.
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2de532 No.852407
>>852388
There isn't one because its a dumb hot take.
Renaissance humanism motivated the reformation. After the reformation came the enlightenment, Adam Smith of the Scottish enlightenment being the "father" of capitalism.
It has been observed that Protestant societies are more productive than Catholic by the sociologist Weber.
You put (((echoes))) around capitalism which I take to mean you're an anti capitalist. I don't know your persuasion but capitalism generally means free trade which predates the new testament.
>>852401
>>852406
Its satire
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1504a5 No.852408
>>852387
No, he's a Prot. Look up Shawn M. Fiedler. The guy owns an Orthodox cross and occasionaly wears a cassock instead of skinny jeans for… whatever reason. Judging by his church website, I assume those decisions are grounded less in a rich theology and more in the impulse to do as he pleases… Now who does that remind me of?
>>852401
If memory serves me right, that image may have originated as satire and the Baptists took it seriously, reposting it ever since.
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2de532 No.852409
>>852408
thanks for the name
https://www.oldsouth.org/
It's a UCC church, aka not Christianity but progressivism.
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23443e No.852410
>>851230
>regognizing that Constantine didn't found Catholicism
the Baptists are evolving. if we give them enough time, they might know the names of one or two Church Fathers.
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2de532 No.852411
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23443e No.852414
>>852411
>>852410
Not every Baptist believes Trail of Blood and related ideas; a lot of them (like the 'Center For Baptist Renewal' guys) are generally pretty knowledgeable about church history. But many Baptists, especially in the IFB crowd, are generally pretty dismissive of Patristics.
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23443e No.852415
>>852409
from reading into Old South's history on Wiki, it was originally a Puritan church.
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2de532 No.852416
>>852415
Yes it's sad. I have an ancestor who was a deacon in a colonial congregationalist church in Mass, that church is also backslidden liberal now.
>>852414
IFB are the sedes of baptists
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23443e No.852419
>>852415
>>852416
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_South_Church
>During the Unitarian Movement of the early 19th century, Old South was the sole Congregational Church in Boston to adhere to the doctrine of Trinitarianism.
what happened guys
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000000 No.852433
>>852407
>Its satire
Then why has no Baptist Bro ever refuted it as false? I wouldn't want someone with a Catholic flag to keep posting something that is against Catholic teaching.
I think Baptist are really taught this, and just skip right over John Smyth and the true origin of the Baptist religion.
And they leave 32 Popes out, including Saint Peter! What's that about? Not going to convince anyone if you are going to that kind of extreme. There are Papal encyclicals from before that which are infallible Catholic dogma that the Baptist themselves reject.
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0ed68b No.852436
>>852401
See: The Edinburgh Encyclopedia, Vol. 3, p. 251.
>It must have already occurred to our readers, that the baptists are the same sect of Christians which we formerly described under the appellation of ANABAPTISTS. Indeed, this seems to have been their great leading principle from the time of Tertullian to the present day.
tl;dr Modern history is full of communist propaganda.
>>852433
>There are Papal encyclicals from before that … that the Baptist themselves reject.
This is a good point. While Constantine was the one who created the actual faction that exists today, the seeds of the heresy go further back.
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2de532 No.852437
>>852433
that's how satire works
>>852436
Neat reference. Thanks
I found the page here https://archive.org/details/edinburghencyclo03edinuoft/page/250/mode/2up
This encyclopedia author is describing baptists in general terms as all Christians who practice credobaptism by immersion at all times. It remains true that the greatest movement of baptists came from English separatism or by anabaptists, both of which being Protestants.
He also says on this page that the distinctives of baptsts include opposition to war even in self defense and Saturday worship, which have not prevailed in baptist theology today. I wonder if his exposure was limited or if that's how baptists preached at the time.
The main point is Baptists are distinctively identified by matters of faith rather than organizational ties. Jesus and John in the Jordan did not found the Baptist church, but preached the gospel along with the New Testament authors which we obey today. The joke is found in parodying the papist's or the orthodox's allegations of exclusive organizational lineage, which in truth does not matter.
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0ed68b No.852440
>>852437
>He also says on this page that the distinctives of baptsts include opposition to war even in self defense and Saturday worship,
If you read the article carefully, you would know that those were listed as things some of them believed. The article was written in 1830, with the point being that it wasn't until the year 1881 with Henry Martyn Dexter writing his book on the subject, that the theory about John Smyth became prevalent. Everyone today is just copying from him. But if you actually go and read his book, you will find he was filled with animus against the doctrines of these Christians. Obviously, he made up the theory on purpose and others wanting it to be true referenced it as if it were absolute truth. Eventually, they even infiltrated baptist seminaries. And that's the story.
>I wonder if his exposure was limited or if that's how baptists preached at the time.
It was written in 1830, and contains a fairly broad scope in its attempt (far closer to impartiality than modern articles come) to be unbiased as an encyclopedia article would be. I quote it not as absolute fact, but only as proof against the claim that everyone has always agreed with the communist style revisionism of history (which is not limited to only church history) in place today.
>The joke is found in parodying the papist's or the orthodox's allegations of exclusive organizational lineage, which in truth does not matter.
The Lord said in Matthew 28 that he is with us until the end of the world. The church is the pillar and ground of the truth. So obviously this is important. Do I agree with sacerdotalism, no of course not. The only geneaology that we need to know is contained in the New Testament about Christ. If you see the article titled "Bishop" in the same encyclopedia, you will see the difference between sacerdotalism and congregationalism. But I do agree with continuity as it is clearly taught in Scripture; Restorationism is wrong. The idea that some guy, like Joseph Smith, had to restore the "true" faith is false. And the theory of John Smyth in particular originates from Dexter's book in 1881. Many nowadays are just unknowingly copying from him. Before that time historians knew the truth and were able to present it in an impartial view even if they were not part of the church themselves, as this article shows
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9edbfc No.852444
I have questions about the second video from TikTok in the OP.
So I can see the ideas in some of the questions. It's a weird reading and interpretation of the Bible but it is technically correct.
>Is being LGBT a sin?
>No
*Technically* correct in verse. Being LGBT is not a sin. Practicing LGBT sex or marriage is the sin. This is the "hate the sin not the sinner" doctrine. I can see why they believe this.
>Can a Christian believe in evolution?
>Yes
Well, this is stretching even further but okay. Perhaps you see the Book of Genesis as a metaphorical story or that the authors were attempting to humanise concepts they couldn't understand into words. Maybe.
>Black/All Lives Matter
Whatever, who gives a s—, it's not a religious topic.
>Is God still speaking
Duh.
So those are somewhat recognizable even if the interpretations are stupid. but this one:
>Is being a Christian the only way?
>No
I don't get it. Literally everywhere in the Bible it states that the only way for salvation and heaven is through the saviour Jesus Christ. There's no way to misinterpret this.
I'd love to know their justification for this because the rest I can see, although disagree with, yet this one is bonkers. If you don't believe that Jesus Christ is the resurrected saviour then you cannot be a Christian. That is the definition of being a Christian. It's like saying I'm a Muslim but I don't believe in the divinity of Muhammed's messages. The two things are at odds with each other. You can't have both.
Either Christ is the only way or you do not believe in Christianity. Genuinely, no trolling, I would love to hear their justification for this if only to understand it better.
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000000 No.852454
>>852444
Regarding evolution:
It doesn't matter how God made the body, so much the better if it is from the Ape as that will remind you to stay humble.
But a body without a human soul is not a person. Adam was created when the Almighty God breathed a human soul into the body of Adam.
Regarding Sodomy
Pretty sure that the Bible says stone men who commit homosexual sodomy. The Church deals with the soul and not civil law and says such sins cry out to heaven for vengeance.
I think this shows how the idea of Protestantism, how folks can just interpret the Bible according to their own carnal desires e.g. King Henry VIII wanted to divorce his wives and loot the Church or Martin Luther wanting to marry a nun, can lead to satanic perversions of the holy sacrament of marriage.
That is, those protestants who distance themselves from the sodomite protestants still allow divorce which offends Christ.
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0ed68b No.852467
>>852444
>Is being LGBT a sin?
LGBT is not a real term. The actual thing this is referring to is being what is called a "sodomite." But this concept tries to make people think that low-T men and people who can be gaslighted into thinking they are sodomites and that it's a good thing are part of this group.
In actuality, we know from Romans chapter 1 that God has given some men over to a reprobate mind because they have already gone too far, and they lose that protection from such unnatural lusts which most people have and all starts out with. Another lie is that people are simply born as sodomites, but this is not true. They become reprobated in life because of the way they lived beforehand and God gives them up to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient. The fact they are sodomites now is a judgment upon them from God. This is what the apostle Paul writes in Romans. See below:
Romans 1:
>24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
>25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
>26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
>27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
>28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
So you see that their becoming that way is nothing less than the judgment of God. Nobody is born that way. It does not even make sense to think that an infant would possess such lusts. No, they fall into that because God removes His protecting hand from the reprobate. This is the truth that they are trying to suppress today through promoting the concept of "LGBT." Where is that concept in history? It was invented like 20 years ago. LGBT is fake propaganda. These are sodomites who are trying to tell you they are normal people who supposedly did nothing wrong, when the Bible says they were already rejected by God before He gave them up to a reprobate mind to do "those things" which are not convenient, as it says.
>Perhaps you see the Book of Genesis as a metaphorical story
If people do, then they are disbelieving the claims Jesus made in the New Testament because He treated it as actual fact having occurred. The only way people could argue this is if they are totally ignorant about what the Bible actually says, which most are since they read modern versions.
>Is being a Christian the only way?
>No
>I don't get it.
Obviously they are syncretists who have infiltrated various denominations and this is one the key doctrines they want to inject. You have to remember, literally none of them know/are aware of what the Bible actually says. It is just an imitation act, they say they are Christian therefore they somehow are. They want to move the goalposts so far away from Scripture that it actually becomes an inversion of every doctrine of Christ. It's because they are animated by satan and they have a spirit of antichrist. All they do is take a couple things out of context and turn them into memes, creating manmade traditions instead just like the Pharisees did back then.
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3e5d45 No.852478
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
sola scriptura in a nutshell
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81c16e No.852563
>>852387
Okay but does anyone have an actual response to this tho. My gf thinks he has a point and I'm too stunned to even comprehend where to start
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000000 No.852585
>>852563
Better get a new girl friend.
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a72169 No.852596
>>852563
God is beyond sex, gender, time and space, is that so weird to think He can manifests as "feminine" sometimes?
Though, that smug video is stupid because you can do the same thing in reverse and get way more passages with a masculine God
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2de532 No.852602
>>852596
God does not ever manifest as feminine. The father and son are expressly male, the spirit not expressly but reasonably also should be called a he.
God is always referred to as He.
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420cbb No.852604
>>852436
Yeah ik modern historians are commies or liberals this is why I read books written before all that (early 19ths 18ths etc)
This is completely ahistorical.
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0ed68b No.852621
>>852602
The Spirit of God is referred to expressly as "he" with the correct third-person pronoun in John 16.
>13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
>14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
>>852604
I'm glad you realize.
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2de532 No.852631
>>852621
Thanks for pointing that out
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0ed68b No.852633
>>852631
Always, my friend anon.
Acts 13:2-3
>2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
>3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.
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5512b0 No.852925
>>851187
>Protestants suck
As the 3 people in the first video wear the robes of a priest.
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6ef18f No.852954
>>852419
yeah i was seeing something about them basically these people don't do what they should do.Your Christianity is external and doesn't even have a real basis.
We could no longer even consider them Protestants for the simple fact that they don't read the Bible
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2ca209 No.852957
>>851244
So many things wrong with this pic. I don't even know where to begin, lol
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2bbec3 No.852960
Cringe. I want Francises striptease circus tbh desu. At least it got premium production value.
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8eebbe No.853006
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1504a5 No.853009
>>852925
>robes of a priest
The men are wearing generic white robes. The woman is wearing something vaguely resembling a cassock; a priest's cassock is not tailored to accomodate breasts and birthing hips, as all priests are men, nor does the cassock have gray flower trim. Wearing robes of any kind does not make one a Catholic priest, so "Protestants suck" still stands.
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000000 No.853010
>>851281
>Methodism is closest to what I believe
If you were concerned for your soul, you'd look for the church which is the Church established by Christ and not the one that you feel fits your belief.
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6e7495 No.853179
>>852419
The descendants of the Puritans unfortunately abandoned the faith of their forefathers in favor of various Enlightenment trends and ideas, particularly after the American Revolution. Unitarianism was a very popular movement in the late eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. It was the theology for 'sophisticated' people who were hungry for pseudointellectual fads and other worldly nonsense. Those who stuck to Puritan orthodoxy either became Episcopalians, Baptists, or Presbyterians.
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df3093 No.853182
>>853179
The Puritans were Baptists and Presbyterians
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23443e No.853196
>>853182
>The Puritans were Baptists and Presbyterians
Presbyterians yes, but Baptists were distinct from Puritans
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2de532 No.853197
>>853196
Not necessarily. Puritans were those who wanted purity in the church. Many (most?) were separatist, and the anglo baptist movement has its momentum from english separatism. Many of John Smyth's church members became the american pilgrims
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