bc0355 No.818959 [View All]
Can anons please point out the greatest reasons why Islam is illogical to believe, as well as great resources whether they be videos or books. I’d prefer from Cathodox or secular sources
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67fefe No.833859
God told Moses he'd bless good offspring. The Jews obviously were, but so were the Muslims. They have oil. Setting that aside, Muslims have nothing to brag about. They have limitless land, but nothing productive. They have almost limitless oil, yet most Arab countries are awful and have nothing beyond oil. They war constantly and couldn't figure out a successor before Muhammad died, and they fought each other since with no peace. They lack everything a true follower of God should have and parade their lack of blessings around like it's a war medal when it's really a badge of shame.
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cbaefc No.833863
>>833859
>God told Moses he'd bless good offspring. The Jews obviously were, but so were the Muslims.
No, it means spiritual, not physical offspring.
Galatians 3
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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cbaefc No.833864
>>833863
I guess that's Abraham not Moses, but i don't remember that promise being to Moses
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67fefe No.833892
>>833863
Yeah it was Abraham, I was exhausted when I posted it. But that being said, is only the one son blessed and not Ishmael? If not, then why has their wealth not been a blessing?
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553339 No.833895
>>819117
boly winnie the pooh thats hilarious
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0df08d No.833900
>>818959
Allah will replace you!
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f27b04 No.833914
>>833900
>>833900
Volume 8, Book 73, Number 224 :
Narrated by Abu Huraira
Allah's Apostle said, "The most awful name in Allah's sight on the Day of Resurrection, will be (that of) a man calling himself Malik Al-Amlak (the king of kings)."
Volume 8, Book 73, Number 225 :
Narrated by Abu Huraira
The Prophet said, "The most awful (meanest) name in Allah's sight." Sufyan said more than once, "The most awful (meanest) name in Allah's sight is (that of) a man calling himself king of kings." Sufyan said, "Somebody else (i.e. other than Abu Az-Zinad, a sub-narrator) says: What is meant by 'The king of kings' is 'Shahan Sha
You were saying?
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f27b04 No.833916
>>833914
I mean lets think about it rationally because I seen how muslims try to twist and cope with this.
For allah an omnipotent being (ROFL) is afraid of someone name the king of kings?
Then he isn't omnipotent now is he? I seen some excuses how the king of kings is reserved for allah or that he is afraid of him self (for some odd reason) and the amount of mental gymnastics that muslims have to go through to prove allah is well what ever.
Just admit the "god" (allah isnt the same as god through this shocking revelation in it's self) you are following is likely satan him self.
How you been under the radar lying about christianity and the trinity or how the bible is corrupted when literally your (((GOD))) is afraid of Jesus him self?
I dont know why we christians gotten soft on your religion or letting you get away with it you are in fact leading people to hell?
The fact wr allowed you and not knowing what you are following is likely from the devil, under our noses under the radar without criticizing your religion as harshly I have no problem with the people how ever I am now more revolted at your religion now knowing who is actually behind it (also with some jewish tempering of course. :^))
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553339 No.833917
>>833859
Muhummad actually claims descent from Hagar, and the LORD says of Hagar's son and descendants "And he shall be a wild ass of a man: his hand shall be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the face of all his brethren."
so uh.
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f27b04 No.833920
>>833916
>>833916
>this is out of context!
Ya ya I heard it all the same you guys hardly believe in your own book when you do this amount of mental gymnastics you are as laughable compared to the christians who thinks putd science over the bible and try justifying it (not saying science is false but is a tool.)
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553339 No.833922
>>833920
>>833914
>>833916
we can see if you SameFargo, don't do that
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f27b04 No.833923
>>833922
I know they are id's anon I am simply adding onto what I previously lostedm
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f74d74 No.835768
Also I found muhammad beheading a guy for being accused of plagarization, they had a resurrection thing for Jesus before they took it off, an abrogation to "fix" Muhammad's mistake, so much scientific errors and only science is right if it agrees with the qu'ran, propaganda from it's own sites and instructions on how to engage with Christians and apostasy laws being an essential to it's survival according to some imam and older bible manuscripts found and no mention of any new prophets, unironically and stupidly think paul created Christianity even though they were still Christians and historians laugh at that claim, shroud of Jesus, trying to twist which makes an assertion the bible is true and the qu ran reaffirms the bible and torah, and last but not least, the dead sea scrolls is the same and proves some things happening in the torah happened only defense they have is resorting to lying or playing dumb being oblivious or twisting words or make it all about metaphors when their is not a lot of context of the qu'ran in the first place and butchering storie, in denial or tries to attack the bible (mostly old testament) trying to say a trinity or unity is out of possibility and how Jesus dies if his god or using tu qouqe or exact wording fallacy despite the explanation can easily be said that the human body Jesus was in died and not his divine nature, which if you think about it is not far fetched of what an omnipotent being is able to do and they limit allah like praying to Muhammad or other flaws.
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10dce4 No.835771
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Islam is just a sect of Gnostic Christianity.
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f74d74 No.835774
>>835771
Isn't it nestorian with jews tempering with the book and the (forgot nation likely turkey or syria) government changing things around and try covering it up?
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f74d74 No.835775
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10dce4 No.835779
>>835774
I think you're right. I feel like I remember that from a longer thread on this subject some time back. I wish I would have saved some of the posts.
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f74d74 No.836270
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f74d74 No.837058
Also can anybody question why the quran verse of muhammad saying the holy trinity is god, son, and mary?
For a blatant mistake like that shouldn't it have made islam as a whole right now debunked?
Or is it because the ignorance of muslims and where they grew up as a result ignores this mistake?
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f74d74 No.838790
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f74d74 No.838791
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f74d74 No.838792
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f74d74 No.838793
(copy and paste, this isn't mine)
Muslim Debate Strategy
A brief summary of their outright lies, dishonest tactics and chicanery.
Muslim debaters only enter the debate with one motive; convince the other person and the listening audience that Islam is truth or the victim of propaganda and misinformation, regardless of the facts, history, archaeology, antiquity, morality, science , evidence or logic.
Their own faith is not on the line. If they can convince the opposing debater or members of the listening audience, then all well and good, but when they don't, they simply stall, divert or disrupt the discussion and topic, they will change the subject entirely, end it abruptly or raise their voice and get belligerent. All of them never take their failings seriously so as to introspect their own religion, reasonings, evidence or even their own religious texts (Quran/Hadith.) The very lines of reasoning or arguments Muslims use against other faiths or religions are NEVER used introspectively against Islam, Quran or Hadith.
Notice how the Muslim plays the “victim trump card” and cite western “Foreign Policy” as a justification for Muslim violence. More or less ALL Muslims know nothing at all about “foreign policy” but merely repeat it like a “mantra” as an argument winning sound byte. Should this fail, then notice how the Muslim swiftly then proceeds to use the next step, the “Strawman Argument.”
The “straw man” is the tactic of the tv/live debate/interviewed Muslim, to change or deflect the subject entirely by introducing an irrelevant point and then to proceed to break down the irrelevant subject/topic. A typical example for instance would be the discussion dealing with muslim immigration sex crimes like rape and sexual assaults. The Muslim will cite USA or European sex crime statistics and thereby justify the rise of sexual assaults and rape committed by immigrants from Muslim countries as being not islamically related but a feature of society or a “few bad apples,” even if this includes the rape of a boy of 10 in a swimming pool by an immigrant because he had not had sex for 4 months. The blame will also be put on those raped or sexually assaulted as being their own fault for not being dressed modestly. Interesting to note, Muslim immigrants NEVER rape female Muslim immigrants and almost 100% of rape/sexual assault victims are indigenous European Caucasians.
Another method/technique often used by Muslim debaters is to enter the debate with another person claiming how wonderfully scientific/moral/political or how much a victim islam is, so therefor it must be true. The Islamic argument of the so called “scientific knowledge” as ambiguously found in the Quran is nothing short of ludicrous and has been debunked on any and every level available to the point that the Muslim who brings this line of reasoning up merely exposes his obtuse Muslim by rote nature.
When the opposing debater of Islam points out clear errors via science/history, archaeology, antiquity, logic or just the facts or by quoting the Quran/Hadith the Muslim default position is then assumed, such as,
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f74d74 No.838794
The Quran you quote is a poor translation
The Quran you quote is only 5% accurate in its translation (95% is inaccurate therefor false)
The Hadith you used is false
The Hadith you used is weak
The Hadith you used is taken out of context
Have you learnt Arabic?
Islam can only be understood in Arabic
Do you read Arabic?
Do you read Classical Arabic?
The Quran was revealed in Classical Arabic!
The sura of Quran you quoted is taken out of context!
You hate Islam!
Your islamophobe!
You have been brainwashed!
You are Zionist!
Your a right wing racist
You are illuminati!
You were never real Muslim!
You did not allow Islam to enter your heart!
You learned Islam from the wrong scholars!
You did not offer salat 5 times a day
You get your Islam from Google
You are western foreign policy supporter
You mistranslated the ayat
You miss-interpreted the ayat
You misunderstood the ayat
You do not understand rhetorical devices
You have not studied Arabic etymology, each “root” word can have 10 meanings
Or these could/would be one of the many typical responses
* Totally deny the accusation even if it is a trivial mistake or undermine the argument by citing commonality or comparisons with other cultures/countries (but not religions). Example would be comparing the rape, corruption, alcohol crimes committed in USA compared to islamic countries. How Islam does not eat pork. How Islam treats women with dignity. Yet the fact that FGM, Muslim rape and sex grooming gangs, rise in Muslim male prisoners is irrelevant to the discussion.
* Another tact that is a particular favorite known as make up your own facts. For example when justifying the marriage of 52yr Mohammed to 6yr Aisha and then the sexual intercourse/rape of 9yr Aisha by her 54yr husband mohammed. A Muslim will cite the cultural benefits of early pregnancy or puberty is a sign from Allah for adult male penis penetration or girls mature early in hot climates and so on.
It’s as simple as that. There is rarely any introspection by Muslim debaters or the obtuse Muslim audience who are merely present to see “their guy win.”
The fact that not one debater has ever converted to Islam via a debate testifies to the chicanery, deception and outright mendacious attitude of Muslim apologetics, polemics, debaters or their scholars for dollars. Most of whom in the UK and Europe are mere puppets who appear on news/debate/discussions programs just to feed their own ego’s regardless of integrity, facts, truth or logic.
Using 21st century logic whilst having a discussion with someone trapped in 7th century denial will be as fruitful as trying to derive benefits from the consumption of camel urine. As recommended by Mohammed himself. Or trying to engage in intellectual discussion with a person whose IQ is less than the temperature of your fridge.
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f74d74 No.838795
Those who choose to discuss ANY subject with a Muslim must be prepared prior that they are dealing with opponent who will employ any if not all the above during the discussion.
If a person is critical of Islam, he is a hater
If a person exposes Islam, he is a hater
If a person challenges Islam, he is a hater
If a person is disgusted by Islam, he is a hater
If a person denies Islam is from God, he is a hater
If a person uses archaeology against Islam, he is a hater
If a person uses history against Islam, he is a hater
If a person uses science against Islam, he is a hater
If a person uses logic against Islam, he is a hater
If a person uses morality against Islam, he is a hater
If a person uses previous scripture against Islam, he is a hater (and the previous scripture is corrupted too ofcourse)
You are right though, I hate Islam.
But then, I’m ex Muslim and apostate so Islam hates me!
Difference is, my hate at your vile religion wont kill you, but your religions hate for me wants me dead, see the difference?
Finally, watch out for these Muslim debate strategy traits too
Tongue tie the opponent
Out shout the opponent
Act like they have already won the discussion
Word salad!
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f74d74 No.841828
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88708c No.842053
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07d899 No.842115
>>835774
Islamic orthodoxy isn't really nestorian, but the quran definitely has nestorian influences
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5567e5 No.842147
Why do I need to "debunk" any other religion?
You either have the grace of God and are given faith, or you don't.
You can always pray for faith, grace, forgiveness and to glorify God; even if you are in a state of mortal sin.
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f74d74 No.845936
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a086fd No.845937
>>818959
I'm baptized since childhood but honestly Christianity is fücking cucked. I'm fücking tired of Christcucks. Islam seems way more based, especially the Taliban. Death to Western liberals.
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793dd7 No.845941
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a086fd No.845942
>>845941
It's not bait. I sympathize more with Judaism and Islam than with Christianity even though I am from a Christian country, and officially baptized, and a paying member of the national church, mostly because I couldn't be bothered to look up how to quit. Christianity only works for people with a small ego, and it structures society in their favor, at the expense of those with a big ego. Instead of punishing women for showing their hair, it punishes the men who are mad that they can't have that woman. Christianity and Western liberalism are synonymous.
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793dd7 No.845943
>>845942
Consider this post proof that sacralism causes religious apathy and is even detrimental to a persons eternal life
You were never of us and your arguments do not follow. Liberalism is a post Christian movement in europe
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a086fd No.845944
>>845943
> Liberalism is a post Christian movement in europe
>muh christianity is not the same as liberalism, that came after christianity
>hurr durr
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a086fd No.845945
>>845943
What the winnie the pooh does sacralism have to do with anything idiot? The church isn't part of the state anymore in my country.
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f74d74 No.845974
>>845945
>>845944
>>845937
>Is not bait
>I sympathize with Judaism
Is obvious you are baiting bro.
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07d899 No.845978
>>845944
>christianity is not the same as liberalism, that came after christianity
at least you can come to one intelligent conclusion in this entire thread.
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f74d74 No.850547
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bbab98 No.850587
>>825300
I smell a prolapsed anus from a pungent odor of BUTTHURT!
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d0ab50 No.851332
The mysteries of Christianity are the light of Lucifer, not of God. Prophets and God and Sharia (law) that's what I believe
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3f6506 No.851345
>>851332
"Christmas is a pagan holiday and Jesus probably hates you for celebrating it."
- Huey Freeman
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583687 No.851347
>>818959
david wood and apostate prophet
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583687 No.851348
>>818959
muhammad winnie the poohed a child this argument destroys islam
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468b5d No.851353
>>851348
Jesus was an incel
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f74d74 No.851648
>>851332
>. Prophets and God and Sharia (law) that's what I believe
So you believe having your way with children and some degeneracy is A okay along with a man that sinned and was obviously wicked like no other contradicting what came before and their supposed god was fine with it?
I mean nothing about beastiality or gayness in other sources other than he is fine with sin and momo is infallible?
Mate your religion (which does have allah being accuser most of the time) sounds like it came more from satan.
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1e10d3 No.856025
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2594c3 No.856056
>>818959
Threads like this actually stir up discord.
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5f56d8 No.856685
Muslims attempt to say that Baca from Psalm 84:6 is referring to Mecca, however, when you look into where Baca is it's no where near there.
>the village called Xaloth, which lies in the great plain, as far as Bersabe, from which beginning also is taken the breadth of the Upper Galilee, as far as the village Baca, which divides the land of the Tyrians from it; its length is also from Meloth to Thella, a village near to Jordan.
https://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/war-3.htm
It's in northern Israel, not in Arabia!
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87f5b3 No.856699
>>856685
LOL you are right the valley of baca is now known as valley of hinnom btw.
https://bibleatlas.org/valley_of_hinnom.htm
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