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Ask your Asatru related questions in this thread.
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No.16593
>>16592
none of these questions have answers really, very little is known of baldr and his cult. he is mentioned in some of the merseberg chants I think but thats about it
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No.16594
>>16592
The death of Baldr and birthing of Vali through Odin "raping" Rindr has a lot of significance, especially if you subscribe to the throne of Asgard being for the most "worthy". For instance archaeological evidence and a small bit of literature seems to show in the bronze age and early iron age "Germanics" may have had Tyr on the throne of Asgard , maybe before him Flynt. The name Tyr is also more closer to "sky father" then Othin. At any rate the King of a people was the representative of his race and his moral character was to be followed as long as he had it, if he lost it, he had to be removed from kingship, for the well being of the race. If Tyr abdicated for some unknown reason and Odin took his place is a completely unsubstantiated claim as far as I know but much of the early works, earliest being 1555, which come down to us show Thor on the throne and Frigg and Odin as counsel after the death of Baldr.
Now anyone can easily prove me wrong by showing iron age idols of Odin on a throne but I did say Tyr being on the throne during the bronze age or earlier and there is no evidence Odin as well had the throne of Asgard then. To get deeper to the truth, would be to build the timeline of Odin and Tyr, to show I'm completely wrong.
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No.16595
>>16594
so the relevance of baldr's death is that what is represented by him (seems to me to be an aesthetic and eloquent wisdom similar to the greek orators) did come to be less venerated in the racial character, not that it was erased completely, i suppose his return from hel after ragnarok must predict its return?
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No.16752
Sælir /asatru/. I was going to post this in the Opposing Views thread but it seems that non-heathens are allowed to make posts in other threads, so long as they are not explicitly anti-asatru. What advantages are there in choosing to believe in asatru over objective reasoning? From what I have gathered from reading the sticky, the most valid reason to believe in asatru is that, being a religion that was cultivated by our genetic predecessors, it will allow us to understand life in a way that conforms much better with what it calls our "nature" than a globalist religion conceived by people of more distinct biology would. But most of what asatru teaches and holds in high regard can be reasoned as being valuable and important independently, such as, to take from the sticky, strength, courage, joy, honor, freedom, loyalty to kin, realism, and vigor. Even revering your ancestors, or more specifically feeling pride for and a sort of inner familial relation with them, can be seen as important as it raises ones own feelings of pride, worth, and belonging, among other things. What remains after that is the spiritual aspect, for which my question becomes, is the spiritual awareness that asatru emphasizes more than simply natural feeling? For example, "experiencing the beauty and majesty of Nature" will make even one who has never heard of paganism feel "harmony with nature". Perhaps, for reasons related to a cultural basis promoting asatru could be beneficial for social cohesion, but is worth the self-servitude that seems to come with allowing oneself (and in asatru's case, as it holds kin as equals, ones people) to become committed to a particular subjective ideology?
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No.16753
>>16594
one thing thats always puzzled me; how come Thor is usually described as being in the center of the idols of the gods, with Freyr and Odin flanking him? Wouldnt Odin be the central one, given his prominence in the pantheon and his title as "The High One"?
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No.16754
>>16752
I'll make a back-of-the-napkin response to this. Theoretically, you can just say "I value strength, honor, and loyalty to my people" and enjoy a good enough life. But you can also take a further step along that path and cast off objectivism in favor of a more ritualized and faith-based approach. I'll explain.
So you say to yourself, "the tenets of Asatru (although I dislike that term, because Asatru as a community is largely a dumpster fire) are tenets I believe enhance my life. I hold honor and strength to be important." Now consider the following: some people postulate that the gods are vaguely Jungian archetypes; for example, the being we call Tyr is a personification of the cross-cultural archetype of the supremely honorable being. If you hold honor to be so important, perhaps you read about figures like this from across many cultures. Then, being of Northern European descent, you decide to focus on Tyr because you identify with Scandinavian, Germanic, or Anglo-Saxon culture by blood. You read about him, then you say "If there is such an archetype, the being that committed himself to honor so highly, perhaps I should venerate it. Our forefathers prized this trait so much that they gave it physical embodiment as a being and ascribed power to it; and since I am of X culture, I will identify with X's personification of it."
So you meditate on Tyr for a bit. You think about his sacrifice for the good of his people, and how you can improve your own life and the life of your family and friends by being more honorable. Eventually, feeling a close connection, you decide to give a small gift to Tyr, as a pledge that you will be more honorable in your life, even if it comes with hardship. When your honorable actions improve your life, you might leave an offering again, as recognition that honor has improved your quality of life, self-esteem, and overall reputation. In a roundabout fashion, you've become quasi-religious.
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No.16755
>>16752
You are right for the most part, but to answer your question, you have to first know why religions came to exist in the first place, this is a huge topic on its own but basically, there are two types of religions - religions that developed organically that are based on the culture and way of life of a people in a particular area and religions that were developed inorganically by people from the top-down with some purpose in mind.
Paganism is only an objective ideology when it is relevant to us. It would be completely irrelevant to someone living in a desert who has never seen snow or even a forest in their life, but to Europeans living in the northern hemisphere we are given a guide based on thousands of years of trial and error on how to live a good life and which mistakes of the past not to repeat, this is very different from a set of rules that were designed by someone in another land (no matter how good their intentions were).
I'm personally not an Asatruar, I believe in Slavic Paganism which is quite similar and we are required to go and rest inside in summer during midday or else the "Lady Midday" comes to kill us. It seems silly now, because it's common sense that staying in the sun too long could give us heatstroke, but Paganism itself was the common sense back in the day and it was very impractical and sometimes even fatal for people to not to follow religious traditions. As for "experiencing the beauty and majesty of Nature", yes, we are taught to worship nature and see ourselves as living parts of it, not as beings who rule over it. A lot of people appreciate nature, but nobody really respects it and gives back to it as much as we do.
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No.16757
>>16754
Þakka fyrir for this new insight brother. What stood out to me most from what you wrote is this idea that while, yes, strength, honor, loyalty, courage, and other attributes can be objectively reasoned as being important and valuable to have, each quality can also be interpreted subjectively by taking a particular perspective towards it, as different cultures throughout history have done. Out of feelings of pride in and connection with ones forefathers, an individual can choose to understand these traits in the way that their ancestors saw them, by reading about and identifying with the mythologies that have come down from them. How fascinating. My /zundel/ files include a folder on Norse and European texts, I hope to read them when I have time in the future.
>>16755
>we are required to go and rest inside in summer during midday or else the "Lady Midday" comes to kill us. It seems silly now, because it's common sense that staying in the sun too long could give us heatstroke, but Paganism itself was the common sense back in the day and it was very impractical and sometimes even fatal for people to not to follow religious traditions.
Again, quite fascinating. I look forward to reading texts of the Slavic Native Faith in the future as well in that case, not just from interest but also with an aim to get benefit from it.
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No.16759
>>16757
Glad to bring some insight to the table. Always interesting to see new points of view and to have our views challenged, your post actually made me think about this stuff more in-depth.
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No.16761
Seithr, the oral tradition, was passed down mother to son for as long as paganism thrived. Now, with fewer members, should we remove us of the idea that a Seithrmann is a womanly trait? Of course, by Seithrmann, I refer to oral instruction of children, and not Magick use or Loki worship, or faggotry.
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No.16795
>>16753
>>Freyr?
I've only ever seen Frigga at that position. As Oak and Ash and Thorn.
Also Thor seated seems to happen after the death of Balder. When Odin went mad and did not stop until he proginated Vali by a woman outside of his marriage. Is this why he lost the throne? Perhaps the one who sits on a throne is temporary. There is great rumor that before Germanics met with Romans proper they dedicated much more to Tyr than Othin. That went away, this also may.
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No.16861
Lots of low quality bait being spammed as of late again
BO it's time to delete these flooding threads and ban the OP's as they come in, half a dozen good ones already got pushed off page 10 due to this shit
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No.16869
>>16861
>ban everything I don't like
>turn this place into the shithole that /pol/ has become
Fuck off.
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No.16871
>>16869
Sup low quality bait thread spammer from the last couple days
Kill yourself
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No.16872
He just did it again. Permaban + thread deletions when?
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No.16885
>>16872
oy foky when you coming to vichan again
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No.16926
chodemonkey broke post deletion tell him to fix it >>>/sudo/
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No.16930
Can you be Asatru if you are part Jewish, even if you identify as white?
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No.16934
>>16930
>identify as white
Jews are not white and are a different race entirely. Now I'd wait for some more opinions than just mine, but it depends how Jewish we're talking about here
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No.16938
>>16934
1/4 Jewish and my grandpa converted to christianity
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No.16962
foky tell chodemonkey to fix passwords admin@8ch.net
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No.16985
>>5031
Read the Sturlunga saga
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No.16991
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No.16997
>>16938
Your kids could pass for hwhite, if you're careful about sexual selection.
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No.17007
So you guys are all atheists LARPing as vikingz or are you actually polytheists?
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No.17017
>>17007
I am a polytheist but I think the gods represent cosmic powers. There are laws within the cosmos there is little chaos. I believe the governing laws are congruent with the gods. Nature itself expresses these laws. STDs are proof!
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No.17018
>>17007
I don't even have any larping groups where I live. I'm just from /fringe/, visiting from one dead board to another.
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No.17019
Is /asatru/ ever going to get its own CSS?
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No.17020
>>17007
>pagans are atheist meme
fuck off christcuck and go worship Moloch
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No.17021
>>17020
>go worship Moloch
But Moloch is a pagan deity, DUDE
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No.17022
>>17019
It does have one. Go to top of page and click [Themes].
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No.17024
>>17022
It's not working for me. Looks the same as Yotsuba B
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No.17025
>>17021
Moloch is a Semitic deity, and not European. Just like Jehovah, and just like Jesus. Its not a surprise you draw bigger lines over polytheism vs monotheism than over your own bloodlines and culture.
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No.17038
>>17025
All of those have correspondences in European mythology.
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No.17039
>>17038
Who the fuck is the correspondent to Moloch?
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No.17045
>>17039
Is the first and only source of Moloch's great evil coming from the jews?
I always wondered that, since (((they're))) such a people who always say their enemies have done such terrible things and needed to be exterminated, for the good of "everyone". When you start seeing lies materialize around jews, everything (((they))) have written loses its gospel.
You see in the OT, only the jews are considered "people" by its writers, everyone else is an Egyptian, Canaanite, Babylonian, or "other". In Leviticus where the supposed passage exists and talks of giving your seed to Moloch it could have been throwing your grain seeds into a fire in front of the idol and the jews saw this as idol worship and built the story around it, to make sure if jews were to come back from this ritual they'd be killed by their jews.
Or perhaps the jews brought "human rights" to those idol worshipers who sacrificed their own children to a bull looking statue , the bull statue has no historical evidence btw. Sort of like how the jews do now in those same lands.
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No.17046
Can someone fill me in on why many members of the group are against tattoos?
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No.17048
>>17045
>Is the first and only source of Moloch's great evil coming from the jews?
No, Romans and Greeks talked about him also, they claimed the Carthagians and Canaanites worshiped a god known as Baal Hammon (whom they equated with Saturn/Cronus, a God known for eating his children) that had been imported from "the East". He was said to be depicted as a man with bulls horns and sometimes with a bulls head and that they would offer him infant children, who were placed in his upright-turned hands and burned alive (in some descriptions, the hands are slanting downwards into a fire-pit, and the children are simply placed on the hands and rolled into the fire or thrown into it from the start).
you do realize Canaanites were Semites and ancestors of the Jews right? And that the Jews worshiped Moloch on several occasions. They were all fucking kikes and filthy demon worshipers, Moloch is probably still worshiped by the kikes to this day. Dont trust this "enemy of my enemy is my friend" bullshit
>sort of like how the Jews do now in those same lands
what, lie about how the Arabs are pedophiles, rapists, sadists and faggots? All of that is true, it doesnt mean Arabs are our friends because the Jews badmouth them, its just evidence of yet more Semitic clan squabbles. They must all be destroyed, to the last man, woman and child.
>>17046
which group specifically? tbh you dont deserve tattoos most likely, in Scythia they were reserved for the elite and noble classes and even then only those that had proved themselves either as great warriors or great leaders. Im guessing youre neither, and thus do not deserve to have your flesh marked as sacred. To be fair, I probably dont either. And also most Tattoo artists and aficionados today are degenerates and shitskins. I would never mark my skin by the hands of a nigger or a faggot.
Also you need to be careful what sorts of things you tattoo, if youre dumb enough to do so (I say dumb because there are other reasons to not tattoo yourself in this day and age besides the fact that nonwhites and degenerates have ruined it; making yourself extremely identifiable to the FBI is one of them) there are certain symbols that should not be tattooed. Runes should never be tattooed onto the flesh, only painted or marked with oil, ash or blood. Runes have the power both to bless and to curse, and if you get a tattoo of a rune done improperly it will do nothing but trouble for you. Read the Galdrsbrok before you fuck around with any tattoos or magical symbols.
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No.17049
>>17048
>>Romans and Greeks talked about him also,
Tertullian was a Christian so he'd be into continuing the history.
Its no hill I want to die on, only to see how jews treat other peoples through lying about others doing evil cremations.
>>Canaanites were Semites
If the jews are coming from Egypt going North I find it unlikely at that time the two would be racially similar. Of course after the jews won and the Canaanites no longer existed then yes they would be from then on mixed into the Semite race and be apart of it.
>>about Arabs
Oh I don't need examples of bad behavior to fight another group just their difference in look is enough for me.
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No.17050
>>17048
Thanks for the explanation, anon. Really tattoos have lost their value in the modern world. Also thank you for the reading recommendation. Didn't really need to insult any of us though…
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No.17051
>>17050
I think kin should insult each other to toughen their hides but when someone not of their kin makes an insult then the folk should make reason to go after this outsider.
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No.17052
>>17049
Im pretty sure Tertullian wasnt the only Greco-Roman source on Baal Hammon but not sure. I dont trust Moloch either way, and it all kinda makes sense that the kikes still worship him considering that they still sacrifice children.
And im pretty sure Canaanites were Semites anon
>>17050
I dont mean to be insulting, I'm just trying to get this across to you: do NOT fuck with magical symbols unless youre a high level wizard, and do NOT get tattoos unless you are very very sure about it, we have few reasons to be lax in our struggles as of right now. Save your rites of passage until we have slaughtered the enemy and freed ourselves, so that Orwell wont be making sure to record your tattoos for future reference. We have no right to wear the sacred emblems of our race upon our skin until we have proven ourselves to the Gods as worthy of being alive and free.
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No.17060
>>17052
>>And im pretty sure Canaanites were Semites anon
Like I said, not a hill I care about but kikes were probably killing goy Egyptian children on Passover long before (((they))) entered Canaan. That's the whole point it seems for Passover, the jew marking his door while the goys have their first born killed/sacrificed.
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No.17061
>>299
I have a question for yall.
I'm trying to understand the family structure of Odin's family. So what is it?
The simplest reading would have it seem that Odin had a son by Jorth named Thor, and a son by Frigg named Balder, and a and a son by Gritr named Vitarr and a son by Rindr named Vali.
Using the Skaldskaparmal that list becomes enlarged, though there has been many criticisms that it was a late addition by Christian priests to position Odin as god of all other gods and thus, "there be one god, goy, and we know the most about him, goy".
The list of the supposed "Odin's sons":
Baldr and Meili
Víðarr and Nepr
Váli, Áli
Thor and Hildólfr
Hermóðr, Sigi
Skjöldr, Yngvi-Freyr and Ítreksjóð
Heimdallr, Sæmingr
Höðr and Bragi
One that stands out immediately to me as a corruption and a mistake is Yngvi-Freyr since Frey is a Van and could no way be born from an Aesir only through the race of Vanir.
Placing a name under each supposed mother:
Frigg: Baldr, Hermóðr (takes up Frigg's request to ride to Helheim first called brother of Balder), Höðr (understood as twin brother of Balder and killer), Bragi (condoned by Frigga for only using words against an enemy in a mother's scolding way)
Jorth: Meili (only Thor calls him his brother), Thor
Gritr: Víðarr
Rindr: Váli
<Mother Unknown>: Nepr (father of Nanna, Nanna was the wife of Balder, making Balder and Nanna's son Forseti an incest which Odin himself is much against), Áli, Hildólfr, Sigi (Odin's supposed "third son" and one of the few known important deities for the Franks), Skjöldr (a supposed god from the land of Scythia according to the Skjöldunga saga, only known as a boy in a boat without any oars), Yngvi-Freyr (maintaining just Frey and not possible to be a son of Odin), Ítreksjóð, Heimdallr (attested as having nine mothers, usually understood as being born in all the Nine Worlds at the same time, as a sort of guide/scout/messenger), Sæmingr
Is Frigg and Jorth the same goddess? Both have a connection to the Earth, with Frigg's more Germanic name being Fulla or Hulda comes close for another name of Jorth being Hlotyn. Also there are Latin inscriptions in the Rhineland to Hludana made during Roman conquest showing a seated goddess which Fricka is shown often as. Grimm said he couldn't find a way that Hlóðyn wasn't Hludana.
So if Frigg and Jord are the same that leaves two giantness giving birth to Víðarr and Váli. I would guess Váli is the latest son Odin has had but I can't place a time when Víðarr was born and for what reason.
Interestingly enough Víðarr and Váli have names very similar to the more ancient names of Odin and his brothers. We know much about the son of Burr named Woten but Vili and Vé much less. Either Vili or Vé could have had done with an Aesir talked about in the medieval times but more recently not as much known as Methothin/Mitothin. There was another Aesir of this time Irminsul/Irmin attested in the 12th century Kaiserchronik, where idols of the Aesir still stood. Both in their medieval times are depicted like an "Odinic" figure but have different traits from Woden himself. Were these two the brothers of Odin? And as such tangentially a possible father for Víðarr or Váli that Snorri and other Nordic Christians wrongly were trying to put together as a singular god being "father to all".
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No.17067
Guys I need a quick run down of the gods, realms, symbols, and important figures in Asatru. Nothing technical as far as metaphysics and such which is all I've ever focused on so I know that stuff very well just need to know the mythology. I don't want to look silly in front of an Asatru girl I am going to be meeting later.
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No.17069
I also wish to request /asatru/ audiobooks to listen to.
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No.17074
Can someone give me a quick rundown and possible books to read on the subject of the connection between Hinduism and Norse/European paganism? Are the Norse and Hindu gods supposed to be one and the same but with different names and appearances?
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No.17076
>>17067
You must be able to stand on your own in a relationship anon, and she must be willing to kneel before you. The whole picture cannot be found in a snippet from a text and shouldn't be tried to be.
>>132. If thou wilt induce a good woman
>>to pleasant converse,
>>thou must promise fair,
>>and hold to it;
>>no one turns from good if it can be got.
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No.17080
>>17076
whoops didn't mean to link to that post only was providing the number of that line in the Hovamal
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No.17127
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