/asatru/ - Asatru / Heathenry / Paganism

>>19199

Thanks for the answer.

>Is English your only language?

No, I speak Dutch as well which is the language I read the Edda in. Although I actually prefer the English transalation since the only proper Dutch transalation is from the 30s and therefore feels a bit dated in terms of the language being used.

>>19201

Nice. I think I've seen a Dutch book or two that I really wanted to read.

What is the single best book on learning the Runes? Not just the symbols themselves, but their role in the Heathen worldview, how to use them in divination, etc.

>>19478

I should note that I'm aware of Flowers' / Thorsson's work, though I'm not sure whether his work can truly be considered "legit" or not. Is it a valid resource, or is it too eclectic?

>>19479

I consider him legit but not so much for his books in some ways. Reviews have noted how he will mix history with his own creations and not differentiate for the reader, while the historical method for casting runes really wasn't recorded so I don't know if you're going to find much about that (look into the Irish ogham divination). I like his books but I think of them as being more modern than historical.

>>19478

I haven't read enough books on them to properly answer your question. Maybe Rudiments of Runelore by Stephen Pollington or Runes: An Introduction by Ralph Warren Victor Elliott will interest you? Raymond Ian Page might be an author you would want to start with.

>>19480

Thanks for the help, anon. I never thought of looking into Irish divination, but I think I will, especially as I have significant Irish ancestry, anyway.

I'll also be looking into those book recommendations; I was worried I'd never find a good source for Anglo-Saxon runology, so Page seems like a perfect fit.

Are white Hindus allowed to post here with their perspective? I already post here but I don't want to talk about stuff that doesn't belong

>>19488

I want to learn more about Hinduism but I don't know what books I'm supposed to read. Do you know of any good books on the subject in English?

>>19491

"Hinduism" is a reminder of what happens if we lose to the other races. Once upon a time, in the time of the RigVeda for instance, many similarities can be found with that of the Aesir but at a certain point, once the Aryan lost control the lower caste took over and started their corruption. This is similar to how the non-Whites within Western countries use "welfare systems" to gain a living when originally the system was never for their race. Its no coincidence the new, more Dravidian native powers began to be consulted much more, or only, than the powers in the RigVeda. Though you might find invocations, to keep ties to the past but only for that, a verse here or there saying something like "I know you are like that which is described in the Vedas" or whatever.

I don't dismiss the Bhagavad-Gita and other more newer works after the Aryan lost full control immediately out of hand because I do know there was racial conflict happening then which the Aryan evidently lost. But I do know that first "Hinduism" as it is now, is a a potent poison to the Aryan race and secondly that "Hindu Texts" as translated for Western audiences specially invoke Abrahamic imagery to make themselves palatable for Christian readers. Other Asian folk beliefs have a similar problem. Such as how the "Mandate of Heaven" is translated as it was. It was translated in this way precisely to invoke Old-Testament Abrahamic imagery for a Protestant Christian audience. The translation would mean something different to a reader raised in the Asatru sense and further mean something else to a native speaker, who would know more about the phrases nuances and usages. That's the problem I see with the holistic Western “Hindu”.

I know of that channel as well as this one https://www.youtube.com/DharmaSpeaks but no I see neither having much to do with Asatru as much as an all-White Protestant Congregation has to do with Asatru. That being, an occasional racial memory or rhetorical device springs forth from the orator, conversely to how the jewish writers of the New Testament use the word "ουρανος" for "heavens" when a Greek Pagan would recognize that word to mean the titan Uranus. The jews haven't been the only ones to misrepresent language, I see this as well when I scour Buddhism or the more monotheistic Hindu sects.

>>19505

>But I do know that first "Hinduism" as it is now, is a a potent poison to the Aryan race and secondly that "Hindu Texts" as translated for Western audiences specially invoke Abrahamic imagery to make themselves palatable for Christian readers.

Do you have any examples? From everything I’ve read, I’ve always thought that the Abrahamic conception of God was very different from God as He describes Himself in the Bhagavad Gita or similar texts. You’re right that you have to be super careful with anything modern, as it has been corrupted through mass-miscegenation and the loss of racial purity among the originally white ruling castes

>>19506

>> Do you have any examples?

Your post itself is an example. When you say “God” on /asatru/ what do you actually mean? Are you invoking Freyja’s husband as described in the Historia Langobardorum? I doubt it. Instead you probably mean in relation to Theus (New-Testament) or YHWY (Old-Testament).

http://germanicmythology.com/works/HistoriaLangobardum.html

So my guess is that you are relating to Krishna who is a form of Vishnu. Well, Vishnu in the RigVeda as far as I can see is another of the Asuras like Agni or Indra, this understanding goes right along with the Aesir in Asatru. It is only in the newer works circa 2500 years ago, or so, that this “supreme deity” idea comes out, which is also the time there is racial adversity against ethnic-Aryans in those lands. Probably not a coincidence the start of Buddhism happens then too.

These newer Indian works also do something which breaks them from the tradition of the RigVeda by listing the Asuras as enemies of the Devas. These “Devas” just so happen to have the ethnicity of those who now live in the lands that follow Hinduism. Of course as I said before the line like “you are as what is described in the Vedas" will be used to show oldness but structurally much has changed.

sorry for the low effort post, its my first time ever on this site. Are there any active online asatru/pagan communities i can join such as a discord? Obviously the true traditional kind, not the globo-homo wicca kind. I want to cultivate some more structure in my life and connect with my ancestors. I dont watch varg, but he seems to be exactly the kind of thing im looking for. Unfortunately he was purged as everyone knows. Any reply is much appreciated

>>19519

I cannot vouch for any Discord or Youtuber, that is not to say those there are wrong but I do not know them. Further the site, Discord, itself has had a history of being used by those who'd call themselves our enemies, so be careful there.

Beyond just socializing and networking you should look into the stories proper and know the runes. There's always something you could be doing.

>>19520

i know discord should be avoided, ive been in political discord groups that have been compromised. I figure it would be fine if i stick to european faith and dont get too specific about politics, but thats assuming there even is a community there. Thanks for the recommendations friend

>>17466

Roman Catholicism should be what you're looking for.

This isn't accurate right?

>>19536

Let’s see here…

>Directed by (((Ari Aster)))

http://archive.fo/78lRP

>Distributed by A24

Okay, who runs this company…

(((David Fenkel))), (((Daniel Katz))) and John Hodges (gentile?)

Even without this, it’s a Hollyjew movie, it’s anti-pagan propaganda. They’ll say anything to keep their brainless consumers on the Abrahamic plantation

Thoughts on vegetarianism and pescetarianism? I know that they aren't historically-accurate in terms of the Germanic diet, but what of the general Heathen concern for nature and man's place within it? Can one be Heathen and still avoid meat?

>>19555

>>vegetarianism

Thor's Goats and especially the Goat's Milk of Heidrun as well as Freyr's Boar.

>>pescetarianism

Had to look up what ISM that is. Well look up how Thor caught that big fish.

>>19558

The other night, I was watching lightening in the night sky when going to the store, and there was garbage out at midnight hoisting up a dumpster in the darkness. All of the small orange lights across the truck made it look like some mystical beast. The star Arcturus was flickering bright like fire. All of these things made me think of Thor.

Last night, I had a dream that I was trying to make love to a white goat with green eyes and he had red horns. Now you respond to him about Thor and goats. Interpret my dream.

>>19559

If you interpret ones dreams then you have power over them. Keep that in mind.

>>19560

The Jester has always been associated with Loki, who was the only one to get Skadi to laugh. Loki is freed and comes back during Ragnarök and it is a strange coincidence how the Medieval Totentanz both states the end of Hierarchy and laughs about it. And if "Gott" is taken to be "Freyja's husband, the devil Godan the Lombards praised", as described by the 8th century monk Paul the Deacon then it readily falls out what the performance is trying to tell. Especially since the Totentanz doesn't speak of belief but only of action before all, "These deeds guarantee thy meed".

>>19563

Mich mit der Käse Hut.

>>19571

fancy meeting you here

>>19571

Do you think Asatru and Rodnovery come from the same source?

>>19571

Not BO, but it's probably fine as long as it isn't a board that is trying to funnel users off of the board (like creating something called '/asatru2/' for example)

>>17126

so what happens after I die?

>>19571

People who self-identify as ""poles"" are the enemy of all germanics

>>19589

Hel (not Hell) or linger around as a ghost, if you're asking from a Norse perspective. Reincarnation is plausible and taught in Celtic mythology.

>>19589

Alfheim is a possibility!

Rhyming Thomas in the early 1200s said he met the Queen of Elves and then predicted and was right on how he said the Grandson of William the Lion would die and how this would cause a Civil War in Scotland which would ultimately lead to the ascension of Robert Bruce, King of Scots.

I missed you faggots

>>19620

Its good to be home again.

Glad to see the board is back.

That said, is it permissible for a heathen man to be clean-shaven? Or is it an inherently-emasculating look?

Does paganism and polytheism follow a basic structure of "father god, mother god and son of god"?

Here is a more indepth description of what i'm talking bout https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=PdsJs0UIm7s

Where the hell did everyone go? Is this a dead board?

>>19650

I didn't even know 8chan was back already, although most of my time was spent with university assignments so I just came back to image boards after two years or whenever.

>>19650

There are tons of pagans on JulayWorld's /fascist/

Did ancient Europeans believe that there were limits to what a person could reincarnate as?

Do heathens actually have a literal belief in their gods like how christians have a literal belief in Yahweh?

>>19718

The Myths are not descriptive, so the proper interpretation is a metaphysical one beyond existential feelings. But with that said, yes, the gods exist and influence through their physical incarnations and expressions (that is, the physical world and all within). However, they are not considered as literal anthropomorphic beings like how Christians view God, and trying to bring the Gods down to such a level would be idiotic. The Myths are told the way they are as expressions for us to better understand that which supersedes the Body, and they can only do that via symbolism related to the world we understand (see and feel). So no, the stories are not to be taken literally, not by the elite. Slaves and related lower classes (those ruled only be The Body) may take the myths literally though, and follow the examples of the gods as historical events to imitate in effort to participate in something grander than themselves (something all Traditionalists also strive to do). And most did that by just listening and following what the elite said because they knew the elite knew much more than them. So in that sense some pagans (don't use the word heathen it's dumb to do so) did indeed believe the Myths literally and therefor perceived the Gods through that lense. However, free thinking people. However, any free man, people who thought and created by themselves, they didn't take the myths as such. They undrestood that there was much more to the stories than that, that the nature is not by itself the Gods, but that they worked through nature (and therefore narture was sacred as the Bodies of Gods and Spirits). But, they couldn't understand the myths on a very deep level, and they didn't even know all the stories (mostly local folklore). And they knew that, so they followed wise elites (Jarlar, Goðar) and learned from them. Then there were the elites themselves, who truly understood the symbolism behind the ceremonies and Traditions. And they understood them intrinsically, remembered all the myths by memory, and could therefore lead society according to the Higher Principles and could see existence in ways normal men could not.

In short, slaves took the Myths literally, free men believed in the Traditions but understood that the stories are expressions of something Higher, and the elites understood the Myths fully and could see more than normal people could and could lead accordingly.

Today, the situation is much more complicated. Most people who say they are pagans aren't actually pagan and are just there for the aesthetics and the vague sense of belonging to something yet not understanding it at all (less than past slaves). So, they all view the Traditions through a modern lense and cherrypick what they like, either through a previously Christian lense (so still behaving exactly like they did while Christian) or an atheist lense (so it's just larp). Eventually those two types, even though though they take different paths, come to the same conclusion of literally worshipping The Body (nature and all within). It's similar to how slaves did it,but actually worse since at least slaves knew they were slaves and didn't have a say in religious Traditions. Then, there are the few who actually somewhat understand the myths, and try to be as authentic to Traditions and their values as possible and take their values as Truth, something to strive towards. However, all of them lack proper spiritual leaders and elites. Extremely few can be considered in the elite category, if anyone can, for the requirements are way too high.

TL;DR Já, ek es trúr.

Can a mexican practice Asatru?

>>19723

No.