No.15342 [Last50 Posts]
Here's to hoping this sparks some discussion. I apologize in advance if this was already discussed.
Christians, Jews, and Muslims all have one book. Well, they have plenty of books on the subject of their religion, but they are supplementary to their one and essential book. Books that dictate the values of their faiths and how to venerate their gods.The Christians have the bible, the Muslims have the Quran, and the Jews have the Torah. If your house caught aflame and your electronic devices were all dead, what book would you save at the cost of the rest?
This may seem a bit melodramatic, but I think it's worth discussing. We only have so much time in the day between work, hobbies, and other demands. To study any great work one needs time. Time to soak in and process what they're actually reading. I'm not saying reading a lot of books is bad. It's just how much can you read and take to heart, if you have several dozen of books under your belt?
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No.15344
>>15342
Not to be pedantic, but the bible is actually a collection of books. I suppose you could take a few books and make your own pagan bible, but what would be the point? The idea that one book can contain all the truth and should be the source of all your knowledge is incredibly stupid and dangerous, and it's not something that should be encouraged in my humble opinion.
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No.15345
>>15344
That's partially my fault. When I said you can only save one book, I should've said you can only save one /asatru/ book. I already addressed the why. I mean what would be easier circulating ten books or a hundred? With fewer books one would be able to spend more time and energy on what they're reading.
As per myself I'd say the Pocket Havamal. Whether or not you believe it's the word of Odin, it still layouts out a ethos to follow.
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No.15346
>>15344
>>15345
>>not choosing the rune poems
Ever more important then the musings of the one eye about loves had and also tales from his early years would have to be a rune poem. The only rune poem not corrupted would have to be the Anglo-Saxon one and you can find all the important Aesir in it, if you look closely and practice the intonations.
Instead of just hearing about the wooing of Bragi's mother by his father, though I can see what he saw in her to want to ask for help. Even though she be of the Giant race.
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No.15347
>>15346
> more important then the musings of the one eye about loves has and also tales from […]
What the fuck are you talking about dude
You write like Pajeet with the grammar of mubutu.
If I understood you correctly, there is a poem that needs to be read out loud that speaks of the Aesir?
What's then the name of the poem?
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No.15348
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>>15344
It really is interesting to think of the bible as divided books that are from very different groups of people. Yet there were many books that were left out from the bible.
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No.15352
>>15347
Anglish isn't my mother tongue and I guess neither yours.
My mother's and her mother's old books on the subjects spoken of here would place the Rune Poem above all. I know thou hung from the windy tree, nights of all nine, pierced by den spear, thine self, sacrificed to thine self on that ancient tree, no one knows where of the roots run. None gave de drink, none gave de bread, into the depth thou stared, thou took up the runes and fell back, screaming in madness but thine knowledge, thou shared. Thou taught me to carve them, thou taught me to read them, thou taught me to stain them, thou taught me to test them, thou taught me to invoke them, thou taught me to sacrifice, thou taught me to send them, thou taught me to use them.
The runes are the Aesir and through the runes the Aesir make the world by you. Knowing how to say them will lead to better understanding on each true purpose or what Aesir the rune is.
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No.15497
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No.15498
>>15342
>Books that dictate the values of their faiths and how to venerate their gods
Small correction: we worship God alone, he is one.
We venerate the saints and prophets and heroes of the faith.
>what book would you save at the cost of the rest?
Besides the Bible? I would pick "The Philokalia"
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I think you raise a good point though, part of the problem with the European heathen cults was that they didn't have a written religion, a written history, a sacred scripture. Oral tradition fades away very quickly, gets corrupted, in only one or two generations if it is not well maintained.
Even the Buddhists and Hindus had the foresight to put their oral tradition into writing, into sacred scriptures, dating back 500BC+ … Oh well!
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No.15499
>>15498
>venerate
Venera should be venerated, that is Venus, Freyja, Lada, and for christians Mary. Mary comes from egyptian meri which means lovely and is title of Isis who is Venus
you venerate Venus by waking up early when it is still visible. then Christians sing songs for mary using words "star" refering to Venus.
>part of the problem with the European heathen cults was that they didn't have a written religion
From my point of view it is advantage, but if someone is able to formulate thoughts like mine above, he has mathematical understanding of all religions and doesn't need books.
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No.15501
>>15499
>From my point of view it is advantage
>advantage
what's the advantage?
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No.15504
>>15501
When people have books like bible or quran they take them literally and embarass those who written them. In Edda Thor rises cat, it would be stupid if people copied this act. Such stories are parables.
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No.15505
>>15504
ok maybe correct word is lifts
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No.15507
>>15498
When I said gods I was referring to different Abrahamic faiths. So to me it makes sense to use gods when talking about multiple groups. Though I could've went with how each sect worships their god.
>I think you raise a good point though, part of the problem with the European heathen cults was that they didn't have a written religion, a written history, a sacred scripture. Oral tradition fades away very quickly, gets corrupted, in only one or two generations if it is not well maintained.
You make a fair point as it took a Christian to write down the Sagas.
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No.15509
>>15499
>Venus, who is ISIS
Wrong.
The Egyptian pantheon is not Aryan. If they had a conception of The Lady, it is coincidental or syncretically imposed by Greek aristocrats.
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No.15510
>>15342
Varg has gone off the deep end to serve his wife with this we wuz feminist neanderthals bullshit.
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No.15514
>>15510
^This. I still like Varg but his wife has got him brainwashed. His beliefs are akin to Wiccan shit. Believing in Feminine power. And that woman are at the center of our religion and should be worshipped. This is all Wiccan shit.
No doubt there were fertility cults since the dawn of man but the keyword is "Cults" cults are a derivation of a main religion not the religion itself. They also had Law cults, Mystery cults, Death (Funerary) cults. Depending on what status or class you are in life that shapes what your beliefs are more centered on. Like if you are in charge of burial rites you worship will be more focused on the death and funeral aspects of a religion.
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No.15541
We are not "people of the book" and we shouldn't want to be.
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No.15553
>>15510
I have't mentioned Varg at all in my OP. The topic centers around choosing from one book on asatruism to keep with you for the rest of your days.
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No.16274
>>15514
>Believing in Feminine power. And that woman are at the center of our religion and should be worshipped
Got any sources to contradict it? Isn't it more about balancing the masculine and feminine powers? It's pretty evident that women in norse pagan/germanic societies were held in higher regard than under Christianity.
That being said, Wiccan's are feminist faggots forcing a marxist worldview unto an ancient people.
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No.16275
>>16274
>>15514
The masculine should be dominant in the traditional Germanic religion, there is no balancing of male and female forces, because we are a warriors religion and we don't want balance, we want struggle.
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No.16290
Reminder that Varg is a cuck who denies the Aryan Invasions happened.
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No.16291
>>16275
>we are a warriors religion and we don't want balance, we want struggle.
Stop fucking larping. Asatru and paganism generally is spirituality born from the recognition that man is a part of nature, not separate from it. It is the highest spiritual aim to live in perfect balance with the other inhabitants of the planet, including other humans.
Our struggle is not in dominating or subduing nature–that turns the world to desert. Our struggle is in correcting imbalances, both within and without ourselves.
That is why we must be warriors, not to subdue each other, but to subdue ourselves.
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No.16292
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No.16293
>>16275
If you don't want balance then don't write Odala everywhere which is Libra and balance.
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No.16294
>>16292
Do you think the gods would be impressed with your argumentation?
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No.16295
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>>15342
>>between dead knowledge and living memory
This transcends "peoples of the book" and comes into Mediterranean thought versus that in the Nord. The races who live in the lower climates do not have anything deep in them that will always sprout no matter the time and so they must write everything down hoping it'll be useful someday. It is different for us, where the loss of some text isn't a loss as it will regenerate when it is needed. That is why a Mediterranean gets all flabbergasted by the burning of a library whereas Germanics way before Christianity would burn each other's sacred places not out of spite for the Aesir but instead to show the Aesir that losers are not worthy to conduct the rituals. This also goes along with the Germanic ideal of always teaching your enemy to be better like the hanging of a criminal is an attempt to give knowledge as Odin obtained when he did the same or the burning of a devious woman in the hope she might be regenerated like what was done to Heith.
Perhaps this way isn't the most optimal as is remembered by history. But unlike the Mediterranean always trying to reach back and pull something out of the ruins and thus becoming attached to these dead ruins, thinking ruins by themselves have worth. We instead should be the instrument in all times to build what is necessary and so the tool must be kept in good fashion over the generations when the need arises, if you ruin the stock of your seedling in a season then you'll never grow good boughs and ever many tree stumps you dig up to live your life around won't change that you aren't related to them.
>>16294
<<vid related
Well there was one of the throng who thought that just silver words alone should not be enough to sway the folk but also fighting skill can rule the day. A true argument can only be settled by a duel. So by that I'd say the Gods are waiting for you to impress them with both.
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No.16297
>>16291
>Stop fucking larping. Asatru and paganism generally is spirituality born from the recognition that man is a part of nature, not separate from it. It is the highest spiritual aim to live in perfect balance with the other inhabitants of the planet, including other humans.
I am not an Asatruar or a Pagan, just Germanic and no I am not larping, I don't care if I am or am not larping I am telling you the truth.
We are ac warriors religion, period. We do not search balance, we seek struggle and self-overcoming.
This is what the Edda's and other works teach.
>>16291
>Our struggle is not in dominating or subduing nature–that turns the world to desert. Our struggle is in correcting imbalances, both within and without ourselves.
>
>That is why we must be warriors, not to subdue each other, but to subdue ourselves.
We should subdue ourselves, meanwhile the chief God is called Wotan, from Wot, which is an extatic trance, state of intense ragem etc…
Good luck with turning the Old Ways into an asiatic religion!!
>>16293
>If you don't want balance then don't write Odala everywhere which is Libra and balance.
I haven't?
Also, just because a word exists in a language, doesn't mean you have to make it the main element in your religion.
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No.16299
>Pagans Have A Religion Of Peace
lol
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No.16303
>>16297
>We do not search balance, we seek struggle and self-overcoming.
You would stand before Freyja and tell her there is no room for balancing her femininity against her brother's masculinity?
You're out of your fucking mind.
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No.16305
>>16303
>You would stand before Freyja and tell her there is no room for balancing her femininity against her brother's masculinity?
>
>You're out of your fucking mind.
You are an atheist, if I stand before Freya, then there is nobody but Freya, she is then my all, my beloved, my most sacred lady.
There is no balance, go choke in your balance, your Christian Hippy!
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No.16306
>>16305
>no argument
>better call him an atheist christian hippy
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No.16307
>>16306
>>no argument
Really, then what is this:
If I stand before Freya, then there is nobody but Freya, she is then my all, my beloved, my most sacred lady.
Clearly, devotion means rejecting balance, balance then being something that atheists = christians = hippies, seek.
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No.16308
>>16307
>then what is this:
<does not address the issue
<ad hominem
Hmm….
>atheists = christians = hippies
You really need to read a book, mate.
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No.16309
>>16308
He buddy, everyone here can see I did. You are not in a conversation here, this won't disappear!
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No.16310
>>16309
>Hey buddy
I'm not your buddy, guy
>You are not in a conversation here
That was clear from the start lol
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No.16370
>>5081
this thread covered alot of this ground, might be interested
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No.16371
>>15498
>Hindus and Buddhists
>People whose religion is directly related to European Paganism
>The Rigveda's introduction myth is pretty much word per word identical to the creation myth of the Eddas, thus disproving that there is any significant Christian contamination in them
this is how you know christians have no idea what theyre talking about half the time
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No.16374
>>16371
>some pooh culture stole our myths and mixed them up with theirs and so we win!
lmao
you still have nothing
you're better off using The Silmarillion as a religious text
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No.16375
>>16374
>you still have nothing
You do realise people are free to google and discover on their own right? I mean, you don't control the access to information, so any claim you make can be very easily verified.
For example, I can put down this link and any honest person, if they are interested can see there is a large body of text associated with our believes.
http://heimskringla.no/wiki/Forside
Of course, only those who are interested.
So it doesn't matter what you think or claim, any honest person can discover the truth.
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No.16381
>>16374
>>muh Dievas overwhelms
All Aryan peoples who get stuck praying to Yggdrasil or whatever your Alpha/Omega mystery character's name is end up in the same condition of not being able to see innate differences within the many worlds, because they can only see everything and so see nothing. You may be praising something "alive" but it has no relation to your race. Instead of fighting, your type of followers become stuck overtime as the Pantheon becomes a distant memory, dragged down into a strange sense of Agnostic Atheism at the edge of Gapvarginnunga. There is evidence of this cycle from when our people dwelt in Parthia, Scythia, Yuazhia, India, Persia, and so on. In time each of their special versions of Manichaeism forced the most fervent adherents to forsake racial fellowship and fall into the abyss. Its no coincidence that the longer, once Aryan peoples hold your views the more swarthy their complexion becomes, all the more they become trusting in the written page. Only White flight has protected the race, yet still you come like Loki, on the rampage, leading his children to sway, subvert, and subdue so the Giant force might arrive on the unexpected.
Unlike a pamphlet to be circulated and read with the reader's already held convictions an oral tradition is generative. Such, requires an attachment to the Aesir and that must be upheld or the connection is lost, it can't be understood by everyone, because it is not for everyone. If we are truly at the end of another cycle, when the lie of Monotheism is found out, then you will see how quickly this regeneration will take place under the same circumstances of our ancestors by the same connections with the same Aesir. Better luck next time, Fisherman.
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No.16388
wouldnt the 'Book' be Natural Law?
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No.16394
It looks like op isn't advocating for a single book but rather asking which book is most important to you
>The Hobbit
>Permaculture Design Manual
One of those two
I also like my agricultural textbooks, my Jack Vance and Lord Dunsany stories, and a few children's books I've had since I was a child which I am attached to both because they are beautiful and well constructed books but also due to nostalgia.
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No.16400
>>16374
I feel like im talking to a bot, did you even comprehend a single word I fucking said? Read the Rigveda, then read the Poetic Edda and tell me we have nothing still, you retarded fucking Jew.
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No.16405
>>16400
>read some street-shitting myths
>now read poems written by a christian in the 11th century
>now google search "cool viking pics" and "fair maidens in h'wheat fields"
yes, good
we can
reconstruct it
Time to convert!
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No.16414
>>16405
>>Time to convert!
>>believes in freewill
As if it is a choice. Semitic conversion is still ongoing in many whites, it ends by race mixing when the jew finally wins, ending the link to our roots. Since time in memorial this is how it has always worked as we have lost land. It is a tenant of the Semitic Pantheon dating back to the time of Theseus at least. Since once the mixing has happened with smart goys, (((they))) grow in number.
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No.16419
>>16405
its sad to see how much that Bible has warped your mind, you probably have more love for that tome of Jewish history than you do for your own people and race.
…That is, considering the possibility that youre Aryan. which im starting to doubt.
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No.16428
>>16405
>>read some street-shitting myths
>Vedic India was founded by modern Pajeets
lol
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No.16429
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No.16432
>>16405
>now read poems written by a christian in the 11th century
I am laughing so hard. At least we are reading Christians from the 11th century, when do you ever see Christians valuing their own heritage?
hur dur 2.000 years of Christians history and you people only read the Bible and the occasional theologian.
What are you trying to prove, that Germanics are more cultured and value their history more? That Christian history doesn't matter, because only the Bible is the word of God.
I mean, face it, you have the Bible and a bunch of silly theologians, we have everything else.
The Greeks and Romans are ours, most of medieval seculiar culture and a lot of it's religious culture is ours, the enlightenment is ours.
When you look on a cathedral or some old painting of the madonna, that is ours, Christians simply do not care for our heritage.
So yes, you are right, Indian culture is part of our heritage, so is a lot of medieval christians culture and yes so is the modern internet.
You can have your Bible…. deal?
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No.16435
>>15342
>If your house caught aflame and your electronic devices were all dead, what book would you save at the cost of the rest?
books are merely material and thus replacable. However there is one book that i'd definitely save, it's the book my great grandfather wrote about the history of my people
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No.16437
>>16435
>it's the book my great grandfather wrote about the history of my people
The Old Testament?
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No.16439
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