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df872d No.59699 [Open thread]

Now onto St. Peter and his relationship to St. Peter the Roman. As already stated, but to repeat for emphasis, St. Peter, the first pope, cannot literally rule the Church from Heaven because that goes against dogma. Therefore, using the exact same Biblical precedent of St. John the Baptist, recall that he was called “Elijah” (Elias in old naming convention) as explained in Matthew 11:14. Obviously St. John the Baptist was not literally Elijah (e.g. not reincarnated) and so the interpretation means that St. John the Baptist has the spirit of Elijah. The Douay-Rheims Bible notes for that verse say “He is Elias: Not in person, but in spirit. St. Luke 1. 17.” Luke 1:17 includes the text “And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias (Elijah).” Hence, Peter the Roman is a real human man on earth who will have the spirit of St. Peter in Heaven. The last pope has the spirit of the first pope. Logical, isn’t it? God’s bookends for the Vicar of His Church. And, in fact, there are prophecies about that.

“After the three days of darkness [the first set associated with the Warning], St. Peter and St. Paul, having come down from Heaven, will preach in the whole world and designate a new Pope. A great light will flash from their bodies and will settle upon the cardinal who is to become Pope. Christianity, then, will spread throughout the world. He is the Holy Pontiff, chosen by God to withstand the storm. At the end, he will have the gift of miracles, and his name shall be praised over the whole earth. Whole nations will come back to the Church and the face of the earth will be renewed. Russia, England, and China will come into the Church.” [Note: the second set of 3 days of darkness is the Great Chastisement, that is immediately before the Second Coming. That is when the real rapture occurs.]

Therefore it is not a problem to interpret MDM and other prophecies in accordance with Church dogma on the last pope, Peter the Roman, a real human man on earth. As a corollary, realize that this last pope will live a very long life, until the end of the world. That is not new either, since in the early days of the world people lived a very long time, such as Mathusala for 969 years, and that is in an era of sin. Remember that death is the result of sin (Romans 5:12), hence a very long life is not a problem for an era witPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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df872d No.59700

File: 2c9e2194aa0df16⋯.png (835 KB,792x804,66:67,Screen_Shot_2021_05_31_at_….png)

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df872d No.59701

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File: de18b80a508340e⋯.jpg (429.85 KB,900x1479,300:493,Pazuzu.jpg)

0a55d4 No.59612 [Open thread]

I need to know more about Pazuzu, and anything about Lamashtu would help as well. I've made a grave error and I am currently paying for it, I need to know as much about him and what I can do to protect myself.

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0a55d4 No.59613

File: 9b1a3dcfbfaf23b⋯.jpg (102.73 KB,600x508,150:127,Lamashtu.jpg)

>>59612

I've been given advice to pray to Lamashtu, as they are rivals, that her she would protect me from him, but I do not wish to trade one evil for another.

A little over a year ago I was drunk with a friend who was telling me about demons, for some reason I thought it would be fine to call out Pazuzu, and challenge him. That night I blacked out relatively early, woke up covered in vomit and my living room was completely trashed, and I had left handprints on my mirror. Since then I believe I have been visited by him twice, each time with awful results. I wish to be free of his presence, or to at least lesson the impact he can have on me.

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39d4b1 No.59696

Pazuzu is a protector, don't let fears pushed by those who misunderstand Him control you:

https://www.joyofsatan.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Lesser_Demons.html

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1a452f No.59042 [Open thread]

« Reply #2580 on: Today at 02:41:30 AM »

SpaceMeowMaid never asked for your stinky ass! Went to get work! Not catfishing you fucking retard! No sex was desired from you! You are a rapey creepy fucking yucky dude!

RUBINI'S CONSPIRACY RADIO NETWORK - Star Dept.

« Reply #2631 on: Today at 04:17:56 PM »

Quote from: SpaceMeowMaid on Today at 04:16:21 PM

I might just become a fan of yours if you keep this up!

No offense but given you were also a HUGE Rubini fan you might not be the best judge of character.

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1a452f No.59054

File: d22f9a02512f8a8⋯.jpg (149.42 KB,1125x1073,1125:1073,utfMVo.jpg)

File: 22b14b0f106676a⋯.png (242.13 KB,537x1017,179:339,thumbnail_ASSERAE_bottom_g….png)

File: 0a6e3b8682d7680⋯.png (36.81 KB,120x160,3:4,avatar_4276_1605600902.png)

Quote from: AZZERAE on November 18, 2020, 12:54:33 PM

You've had a woody for me since day 1. The receipts are on display in the public square - for all to see!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

SURE LITTLE MAN…

OH YEAH, LET'S LET 'EM ALL SEE YOU ! FOR WHAT YOU ARE! LIAR! BEGGAR!

CLOUT CHASER!

FRAUD!

AZZYFAGGY TO RUBINI VIA SKYPE:

Lilith I'm friendly with her but she craves drama

Catch you later buddy

Take care of yourself 7:05 AM

Hey just tapped outofbg4ever prob me and u will remain buds NOBODY… I mean NOBODY else is invited in my life from BG I again super apologize sir for upsetting u will NEVER happen again:)pls do not ever use these words (above that I shared) against me or for me = in the future

I will do the same PEACE ttyl Azraa, 3:10 AM

I consider you a friend. I think we've both opened up a lot to one another. Good on you for quitting the board. I have quitted for stretches myself. I won't disperse anything publicly that was discussed privately. Especially not specifics.

Azraa, 1:15 PM

Hey David. VC bought your story about the alphabet agency visit hook line and sinker (brilliant LOL) … now I know you're not really using BG anymo but I was wondering what you think I should tell him? Here's a link to the post: https://bellgab.com/index.php?topic=12794.msg1414256;topicseen#msg1414256

Either you could post or I could post. We just need to get our story straight so we can get VC to believe our story LOL

Azzerae's World

https://bellgab.com

Azraa, 1:22 PM

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1a452f No.59056

File: ed2048d14ade932⋯.png (25.1 KB,160x158,80:79,avatar_4276_1598451958.png)

File: 273622c494560ec⋯.jpg (292.8 KB,667x491,667:491,Azzerae_s_World_Copy.jpg)

File: 86fc4c4772a8724⋯.jpg (1.25 MB,1776x2480,111:155,az_r.jpg)

File: f28f32b4f21b54f⋯.jpg (146.43 KB,444x500,111:125,Box_Folder.jpg)

File: 9c831d64c05d35a⋯.jpeg (76.33 KB,1125x1073,1125:1073,DAVID_RUBINI_to_Fat_Toots….jpeg)

Watch me off myself. I hate myself:

AZZERAE

@azraamorphine

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Nov 4

I feel the same way now as I did when I was nineteen, fresh off the mountain, so clueless. Sitting in cafes for hours, waiting for my life to begin.

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AZZERAE

@azraamorphine

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Nov 4

Fuck the law. Who's the judge?

AZZERAE

@azraamorphine

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Oct 22

Stagnation. Regression. Death. Infinity. Nothingness. Oblivion. I’ll be a corpse eventually.

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AZZERAE

@azraamorphine

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Oct 20

The only real power comes out of a long rifle.

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AZZERAE

@azraamorphine

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Oct 19

I can spend literally hours enraptured by visions of torture and humiliation.

AZZERAE

@azraamorphine

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Oct 19

Everything we believe and value is a lie, every law a deception, every ideal a hypocrisy, every abstraction a construct.

AZZERAE

@azraamorphine

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Oct 19

Whatever it is that makes us human is tenuous and illusory. Society ostracizes those that know this and communicate it to others.

AZZERAE

@azraamorphine

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1a452f No.59057

File: 6ca0059c58fefee⋯.png (863 KB,1080x2220,18:37,Screenshot_20200905_050916.png)

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Aquanautilla7

Posts: 25

Re: The GabCast

« Reply #30 on: Today at 11:49:57 am »

I gave a girlfriend gay porn at her bachelorette party as a gift. Apparently I am the weirdo hetero chick that thinks hot guys are hot!? I get it they are doing each other… To me, still hot. I know I am probably screwy in the head, old news. Also at the time I was a raging alcoholic drinking HEAVILY. These facts form a solid basis for my position on sexuality, and frame my opinion about bromance.

My friend still loves me, that marriage has since ended in divorce. But it had nothing to do with the party favors I bought for her. Again, WTF is wrong with me? And as for a certain MR Star… He thinks guys are "icky". Honestly most of them are. I don't watch much porn, could count the times over the past 20 years maybe a dozen times that I watched porn. It's dull to me. Lackluster. Comical. Sometimes just downright creepy. But that gay porn was clean, well made, no glitches or errors, perfection. And no I don't remember the names. I'm not that kind of Mermaid.

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8d9c6e No.59388

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

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95e181 No.59686

This place reaks of 💩!

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0b40c2 No.59402 [Open thread]

I want to dig a hole in the ground at least 2 km deep

How the fuck do I do that?

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6e26d3 No.59492

File: 14f6ef11f8c91dc⋯.png (95.83 KB,679x461,679:461,ClipboardImage.png)

>>59403

I'll look up what you meant by that, never saw Stargate.

I was thinking of lowering a vertical concrete ring every 2 meters but it's not possible to do that in the long run. Not cheap enough.

Making a lift/elevator that could lower me and leave a 1 meter gap that I could use to dig under the elevator was the best I could came up with. Pic related. I could use a hydraulic breaker to dig.

Figuring out how to make a lift that could be lowered to 2 km is something I'll think about.

Brown line isn't poop it's emergency rope.

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5250d9 No.59623

File: 93affcff4f36fce⋯.jpg (199.17 KB,800x600,4:3,forage_geothermie_5.jpg)

geothermal drill, as long you have a trepan that can dig into rock and the bedrock, theoretically all you need to do is to add as many drilling tubes as you can, each have a length of ~10m do the math.

take in account that the more you deep the more you need coolant, you will need water, at 2000m you will get a 80C temp.

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7ddc06 No.59678

>>59402

with money

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ae288d No.59665 [Open thread]

Some serious UAP/UFO intelligence shit going on here…

https://8kun.top/kronos/index.html

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279929 No.59659 [Open thread]

Isn't there a special thing that satanist do to victims faces that make them resemble a panda bear? (not talking about porcelain mask)

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db0457 No.59663

you're an idiot

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d4208e No.59660 [Open thread]

I swear I remember Warren Buffett dying a couple years ago, I vividly remember the breaking news report yet he's still alive somehow?

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f836c8 No.55146 [Open thread]

Is 8chan pol gone forever? I can't access it from the directory.

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d0a972 No.59591

>>59471

It is depressing not to have a community of likeminded individuals as an instant appeal to sanity in a world gone mad, however, /pol/ is not forgotten. The memories knowledge thousands of us learned do not simply disappear just because some faggot flipped a switch. Now the time for learning is over, and we have to conduct ourselves in the real world according the ideals we strive to achieve for a better tomorrow. The future belongs to us. Just look how hard corporations have to work to prop-up their globohomo ideology. No one is buying it, and the ideas which were once confined to a few thousand on /pol/ are now shared by millions of young men world wide.

We're all going to make it fren.

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d5e74d No.59594

File: 26b34d25383e4f5⋯.png (203.19 KB,666x666,1:1,ExposingTheConspiracy.png)

The conspirators are constantly trying to destroy any part of the Internet which could expose them. Fortunately too many people know about their plan, while they will try to do some damage they're ultimately too late.

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4cbb94 No.59600

>>59591

Correct. Stomping out the fire has spread a thousand embers.

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f54f13 No.59615

File: ac40625bef1f1b7⋯.png (Spoiler Image,362.03 KB,720x886,360:443,1613076595825.png)

>>55149

Apparently the adult baby scene, incest, and lolis isnt as contreversial as politics. Weird time we live indeed.

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1ad9ee No.59655

File: 816f2b60cf2a96d⋯.gif (422.85 KB,500x375,4:3,Glow_Mommy.gif)

>>55146

Lots of different places, good luck finding them.

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File: 282e7ff6c002bfe⋯.jpeg (612.65 KB,1024x768,4:3,1_Jan7J2A5NJteJwu0wANXA.jpeg)

274930 No.59650 [Open thread]

Check out this UAP/UFO board…

https://8kun.top/kronos/

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File: 9b5a9efdfbaa382⋯.jpg (51.57 KB,850x400,17:8,nietzch.jpg)

3dfb01 No.59647 [Open thread]

https://pastebin.com/raw/yxy8niA2

https://ghostbin.co/paste/jvnnsx2/raw

https://paste2.org/peNPmAD1

https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/HbmS95xD8S/

https://textbin.net/raw/de4d7iut4k

https://controlc.com/f7fff8bb

https://rentry.co/ghkhd

https://bin.disroot.org/?ef11e2196e7b4913#BJCT3X6wo2cNWwSLWWYDHdkwTxCxhF4xu1mK3zbXpEte

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bd76bb No.59646 [Open thread]

https://pastebin.com/raw/yxy8niA2

https://ghostbin.co/paste/jvnnsx2/raw

https://paste2.org/peNPmAD1

https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/HbmS95xD8S/

https://textbin.net/raw/de4d7iut4k

https://controlc.com/f7fff8bb

https://rentry.co/ghkhd

https://bin.disroot.org/?ef11e2196e7b4913#BJCT3X6wo2cNWwSLWWYDHdkwTxCxhF4xu1mK3zbXpEte

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23f146 No.59645 [Open thread]

Check out this UAP/UFO thread and gain some insight,

8kun.top/kronos

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986ae8 No.59590 [Open thread]

need some eerie, satanic webm/mp4 nights need something to spook my ass

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5a486c No.59636

File: 988d8e363a5045c⋯.webm (921.62 KB,640x360,16:9,988d8e363a5045cc60e32914d….webm)

File: 402161589a409ab⋯.webm (2.95 MB,700x464,175:116,Skinwalker.webm)

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5ca7f1 No.59544 [Open thread]

Dude claims there are giant spider like creatures eating children in the Antarctic:

https://boards.4channel.org/x/thread/27647513#p27647513

Some proof (?)

https://www.google.com/maps/@-68.1840294,-67.000543,3a,90y,312.6h,99.09t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sAF1QipPowmubzlfmfh6hx3I1RQmBAO7anvHAqHCmemu7!2e10

Turn 180 for the obligatory obelisk

What the fug is going on over there?

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b56050 No.59566

File: 1acb1b95ad7e32f⋯.jpg (656 KB,1320x2652,110:221,masonsinantartica.jpg)

>>59544

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b56050 No.59567

File: 8f48da00d2704f2⋯.png (230.35 KB,1344x2290,672:1145,unionglaciercamp.png)

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9cd3bd No.59582

>>59567

>SORRY in email, in binary

That doesn't even make sense. Encoding doesn't work that way.

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b712e3 No.59598

>>59564

I went through some of this myself, figured I would not find much, something did click though. All my life I could see places in real life with a method like remote viewing, but actually wide awake. Although Astral Projection has always been hard to me, it's like a mix of RV and AP while awake.

I did this once on an installation that in my mind was near the fabled 'Dulce Base', a massive underground Silo, not even a Nuclear Silo, Nukes are Huge. This was too big and lab-like for such a Device, although my Mind's Eye saw it as underneath a sandy patch sandwiched between three mountains, think Nevada the way the Landscape was. I don't think it was specifically Dulce, it was just too off and didn't match Remote Views I listened to later or could have been influenced by before.

Large white hall with thick metal armoring, much like a Star Wars Ship inside, a reinforced, thick as Hell Glass Door to some computer. And some Cryptids that resembled Mantises, insect like but Humanoid, they are talked of in some UFO Circles. I cloaked my presence so they didn't look, but really they probably sensed me, being realistic. The main Chamber though, it was Empty, but you could easily fit a massive shuttle in there and launch off world someplace. If it was near a Base I wouldn't be surprised as a loud boom or a roaring sound could be excused as Military Exercise.

Part of the Thread definitely talks about underground Bases and I just know it was familiar. Another smaller detail, I flunked Army before Training, bummer. In Holdover Unit a guy talked about a friend who was Active Duty in Antarctica, said he went up towards a black-site and was drugged up by Agents. The Soldier that Kid knew came back like his memory was just a slate, think blank and retarded after whatever he was hit with. That Guy was wearing a Mason Ring so I kept clear giving their practices and withholding of info, too risky to ask more and he clearly told me "That's all I know, he was just different."

TL;DR Yes, something is up there but don't know what.

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d503c8 No.59635

File: fb3b7b346c68441⋯.png (362.91 KB,4167x4167,1:1,UN_solider.png)

>>59544

Creepy thread OP that thing doesn't even look like a spider but some of creature with a round ball-looking head and four legs if this creature is real then it probably has a face. I can only imagine how ugly it's face could be and scary, someone mentioned in the thread that it could've been a robot which would explain its weird shape, seeing how the ball-ish head could be a camera. This could be a hoax though which it probably is but still, and this stuff gets you thinking what're they hiding in Antarctica? Are they hiding a giant hole which leads to an underground place, are they hiding remnants of an ancient civilization, are they hiding the firmament, is antarctica actually a ring of ice, could antarctica not even be icy, but actually warm and full of forest, or desert, could antarctica not even exist, I mean as much as they lie about things, who knows you can only confirm these things by seeing them with your eyes.

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72c29e No.59616 [Open thread]

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/fusion-energy-milestone-from-tae-technologies-validates-path-to-cost-competitive-carbon-free-baseload-energy-301265401.html

On the surface, this looks like yet another investor trap for a theoretical fusion plant design… BUT:

Excerpts from article:

"Hydrogen-Boron Cycle"

TAE's current platform "Norman" nearly doubled its intended goals over an 18-month testing regime and has now demonstrated consistent performance of reaching 50+ million degrees Celsius, replicated over many hundreds of testing cycles – all in a compact machine that has very attractive economics when scaled up to a full power plant."

(18 months prior to the publication of this article is roughly the date it was posted on /x/) Note how they went out of their way to emphasize they actually had the idea back in the 90s…

"1990s theorizing that a certain plasma dominated by highly energetic particles should become increasingly better confined and stable as temperatures increase"

"our unique approach"

What is unique about their approach? Notice how they don't actually spill the secret sauce. Back in June, 2020, there was a flood of activity here on /x/ that pushed stuff from late 2019 off of page 25. Is it possible the source of the flood was TAE Technologies? Is it possible they didn't know that there was an archive? I know it's a lot to read, but it sure looks like /x/ was first to develop this concept for a new approach to fusion reactors that they're basing this new machine upon.

Now I am looking and it appears that the same individual who posted that has also posted a variety of other things, most of which are also in the area of energy physics? If they were right about how to achieve fusion power, could they be right about all of iPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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72c29e No.59617

Here is the archived /x/ posting… this is unbelievable.

https://8kun.top/x/res/54187.html

Confirmed, /x/ had this almost exactly 18 months before TAE published their claims in which they claimed to have started work on this new approach 18 months prior.

Where it gets wackier is all of the other stuff that "Jonas" has been posting. Is someone actually developing all of these things? The science is quite advanced but it is starting to sound like they have everything right.

Has there been a data breach at any private or public research groups? Why is someone posting this online? Could it really be a freelancer? Could the future be sending technology to the past to change history somehow? Why did they choose us?

Toasting in epic bread

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ae82d8 No.59618

Big if true.

Subs like x and fringe are watched by the highest level spooks. Even moreso than pol.

Pol deals with material, real world bickering. X and fringe deal with topics concerning reality itself… Goes without saying which has more potential influence.

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951472 No.59620

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>>59618

This board has the advantage of being frequently almost exclusively by Americans but the disadvantage of of being frequently by almost no one, especially these days as it looks like, based on the PPH rate, that people have moved on somewhere else.

Just from a statistical perspective, we need at least 5,000 people to actually lay eyes on this concept in order for it to become likely that it is developed, and we don't know that this TAE thing is for real or just another BS thing they came up with to take people's money. Using gluons as attractors should work but someone would have to actually run the experiments and publish. That entity would have to choose between either disclosing the fact that they got the idea from Anon, which would make them look bad, or run the risk of claiming the idea as their own but disclosing the basic jist of the idea in a scientific whitepaper.

Thus far, I have not read anything published in the open that specifically mentions using gluons to support fusion, however a few years ago someone did try using muon substitution of electrons. It rhymes with the solution but obviously, it did not work.

8kun does not seem to have a science board and the most popular board here is qresearch. Do you think the q people would have any interest in this, given that they usually aren't interested in high tech stuff? Who do you even tell about stuff like this? 1-800-Dial-A-Scientist? And what about all of the other stuff? I am reading here about a technology that allows you to cool (building on the work of the '97 Nobel Physics laureates) atoms using nothing but light to create cooling mechanisms such as atmospheric condensers, except on a much larger scale, of course, than a single atom. I am reading about force carriers capable of exerting substantial force on non-ferromagnetic materials. I am reading about low-power methods for successfully generating tachyons. The implications are beyond description. This seems to be one of the only places online that doesn't immediately erase the information. Really, this is proving right the quote at the homepage of 8kun: "Anonymous pamphlets, leaflets, brochures and Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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951472 No.59621

>>59616

This could be the next big thing(s). No proof, but I developed something many years ago and shared it on a futaba board. From what I was able to surmise, some kid went and shared the idea with his father, who was an engineer working in the field of optics, and his father spun around, patented it, and has been reaping the profits ever since.

Obviously, when he did this, he never disclosed that he got the idea from his son, who got it from some anonymous board. Not surprising at all… What was a bit surprising was the number of people who were naysayers who essentially said that this technology had no marketable application and that no one had any need for it, and even tried to poke holes in the technical viability of what was a comparatively simple technology, something which felt like gaslighting to me.

We can always count on people to be greedy, and we can always count on the vast majority of people not to be able to recognize brilliant ideas that are ahead of their time.

What is it that people need most? Clean water, electrical power, and perhaps one day, propulsion systems based on the modified magneton concept that can accelerate spacecraft to relativistic velocities… Not to mention the ability to see the future.

This is why the chan archives are so important; we could be dealing with Da Vinci's notebook here. Given the ephemeral nature of postings and even whole websites, we must take steps to preserve ideas like this which are likely decades ahead of their time.

That's priority number one along with getting the information to the right people. However, I think we should also make it a priority to emphasize that this would not have been possible without free speech platforms that allow people to share knowledge without fear of censorship or reprisal, given that this is one of the last places left that gives people that ability.

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ebe7f9 No.59626

>>59620

That is the sort of thing that interests me too.

The best board for that is probably /fringe, which ironically was overrun by spooks and the admin harassed irl by gangstalking (rf) tech.

/X on 8c is okay, if only due to its lack of popularity as you say, so you don't have endless sigil threads and nonsense spooky junk here.

Rexresearch and Keelynet are were good, but not forums.

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