No.7844 [View All]
I'm currently setting up a news site dedicated to reporting on and documenting new ROM dump releases. I'm having a hard time thinking of a name for it though.
What do you guys think it should be called?
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No.7848
>>7847
I'm looking for serious suggestions only.
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No.7849
The ROMicle
RDNN
Coming up with names is harder than I thought it'd be.
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No.7850
>>7849
You're a lot better than me at it. I just drew a blank when I tried to think of any.
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No.7853
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No.7854
The ROM Daily?
Run ROM Run?
ROMulus and ROMus?
Senior ROM
The ROMers Almanac?
The New ROMs Times?
ROM and Newer ROMals
Times new ROMans
The ROM Catalogues
Some of these are pretty lame but it's 3am and I don't have any further excuses for them other than liking shitty puns.
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No.7855
>>7854
Maybe, right now I'm just having trouble with the interface for the page. I'm trying to decide what the background for the table should be. The site will look like something out of the 90s as that's what I go for with my website, but it's very easy to cause eyebleed with that sort of style.
For example, these are some of the tests I've been doing for the background of the table.
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No.7856
>>7855
Check how Zophar's Domain looked in the 1990s and copy that look. Picture semi related (if you know why, congratulations, you are old).
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No.7857
>>7844
DocuROM? DocuDump: "Does the file contain a nugget of gold, or is it just a piece of corn?"
>>7847
This, but only use it for April Fools.
>>7855
>>7856
Maybe consider how those old RPGshrine sites look as well, as they're a type of late 90's/early 2000's circle that never modernized? Need colors that have enough contrast to be clearly legible, but not so different that the eye gets confused. Of course, part of your issue right now is that the "main body" is so short that the surrounding background is more consuming on the eye than it probably would be with actual information. Point being, make that section bigger and see how it looks.
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No.7859
>>7857
I'll try that. Right now I'm still testing things. Just added some code to seperate the posts into categories and filter them depending on what category you want to see. There wil, be a set of buttons near the top of the page, though I haven't done much with the looks of those yet.
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No.7860
>>7859
Also, if you're really wanting to go "retro" with it, keep in mind what size people had for monitors. You can make the actual page background as wide as need be, but if you're going to box in the main content, the space for it should be less wide. For example, the samples posted above wouldn't have have enough margin to the left and right with that wide of a main body on older monitor dimensions. It might look fine on modern monitor sizes, but remember that regardless of era, it's easier for a user to scroll up and down than have to scroll left and right.
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No.7861
>>7860
I will keep that in mind. I'm having to develop this on an Android tablet at the moment as I currently don't have access to a computer, so I don't have a way to easily test some of what you mentioned.
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No.7863
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No.7864
>>7863
Well, it's yours if you reconsider.
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No.7865
>>7864
Alright. I will keep it in mind. Somewhere I'll never find it again.
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No.7867
>>7857
Should probably specify that I mean the actual individual "shrines". The circle's home page and directory has been updated since then, while the specific game pages have remained as they were.
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No.7868
>>7867
Will do. Also, I decided to try making my page look like Zophar's Domain did in the 90s and go from there as per >>7856.
As you can see, I still have a lot of work to do.
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No.7869
I fixed the ugly yellow underline under the links. I still need to make this a lot better before it's ready to go up. Any suggestions?
Oh, and before anyone mentiins the buttons, yes, I know I need to fix those. I will tomorrow. Right now I need sleep.
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No.7870
>>7869
>>7868
Better than before. Ideally you ought to worry more about functionality and layout first before getting deep into the stylization, but setting some temporary things like background colors helps visualize where things are and what they're within. I do hope whatever program you're using allows for generating template files, so you can easily keep the base layout the same though. If not, you'd better get that out of the way first, because manually changing things on each page that need to be kept the same further down the line is not fun.
Anyhow, there are some sites out there where you can input a basic color or two you want to use, as well as how many colors you want to have maximum, and have it spit back various color schemes that sync with your parameters in some way. Might be worth considering. Of course, given you're going with a particular era of look, you might want to limit yourself to "web safe" hexes as part of the vibe.
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No.7871
>>7870
Oh yeah, those. I typically don't think much about them, but I'll try it out.
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No.7872
>>7871
Make sure to keep the scheme and background simple and easy on the eye to read. Whatever you do, don't pull a "Yale School of Art's website" with it. Letting art students have creative control of how a site meant to represent a "prestigious" school looks is a fucking mistake, at least last I checked.
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No.7875
>>7844
ROM Dump News is memorable, why complicate matters?
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No.7876
>>7875
Perhaps I'll stick with thet. It's either that or AndROMeda at this point. I haven't been working on the site for the past day or so because I just became a staff member at a ROM site (https://theromdepot.com if you're wondering). I'll probably be back to working on it in about a day or so.
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No.7877
>>7872
This site is an insult to all good things.
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No.7878
>>7877
It really is. I mean, yeah, there's a point to an art school allowing for creative input from students as to how the school/branch's webpage looks, but there's also a point there's a point wherein it does the school more harm than good. Sites made by a high school digital design students have more of a chance of looking decent than that one does as a college.
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No.7879
>>7878
Exactly. And who the fuck thought using gradient boxes and a photo of some kids with a cow for the background was good enough web design for a prestigous art school?
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No.7880
>>7879
If they want to let students contribute, fine. Make a gallery and let them decide what or if to contribute their work to it, but keep the site itself looking professional. Instead they've treated it like an art project, and a modern art project at that if you get what I'm saying. And you just know that if anyone actually tries to make it look better, it'll just be replaced with more "lol so random" shit.
>and a photo of some kids with a cow for the background
One time I saw a background there be a small photo of a pizza that repeated endlessly.
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No.7883
>>7880
That's terrible. Also, I gotta remind myself to figure out what to do with the buttons later.
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No.7885
>>7883
Are you going to have them serve as hyperlinks to other pages, or toggles to change the displayed category of information?
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No.7886
>>7885
Toggles. Not sure what the design should be. There are currently only 4. Maybe I should add a category for BIOS dumps?
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No.7887
>>7886
>Toggles.
Keep in mind that if those are meant to be visibility toggles, to work quickest on the user end, the potentially viewable information ought to be present when the page loads, thus clicking doesn't invoke much if any waiting. However, depending on how much information a page might contain, it can make for a longer initial load, which isn't fun either. If you're organizing it by date, you may want to look into how to set a maximum amount of items per page, or perhaps make a search mode using those toggles as tags and work out how to make the site display material from a database. That said, again, it depends on how deep you actually want to go with the "late 90's/early 00's" vibe, whether it's just on the surface of how it looks, or also the background utility (in which case you'd also have to look into what functionality was even present back then). Just some thoughts.
>Maybe I should add a category for BIOS dumps?
If you think it serves to add more utility relevant to your intent, it might be worth considering.
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No.7888
>>7848
I was being somewhat serious…
>>7854
ROMulus is great!
>>7860
[2]
>>7886
If you find time, there is a readerbase
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No.7889
>>7887
I'm going to have a maximum amount displayed, though I'd have to add the article links manually as I have no way to push them automatically. Also, I am very bad at JavaScript so I'm not sure how I'd implement a search page let alone the tags. Sounds interesting though. The retro style is only for looks, by the way.
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No.7890
>>7887 20 articles per page seems reasonable, right?
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No.7891
>>7889
>Also, I am very bad at JavaScript so I'm not sure how I'd implement a search page let alone the tags.
It's something I'm still trying to figure out myself for something I've been playing around with. The internet's got a lot of useful information for learning such freely though.
>>7890
Depends. Are you looking to have whole articles within the same page, or brief summaries and links to more indepth individual pages for each? If the latter, you can probably afford to have more display at once, since each should take less space in a directory/search results sense.
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No.7896
>>7891
I'm not even sure if I'll be doing brief summaeies. The plan so far is to have the title, date, and category info there. The title will, of course, link to the article it's referring to.
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No.7897
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No.7898
Alright, I finally convinced myself to stop procrastinating and actually work on the site. Now, if only I could get the buttons to align with the edge of the table. Here's some pictures of me trying (and failing) to align elements.
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No.7899
Alright, so I finally figured out how to properly position elements. I was originally going to use "position: absolute", but as you can see from my previous post, that didn't go so well. I decided to switch over to using margin-left and it's working perfectly. Here's a picture of it.
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No.7900
>>7899
And no, that's not where I'm going to place the buttons. I was just testing extreme values to make sure what I planned to do was working properly.
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No.7901
>>7896
In that case if it's just going to be brief text and links, you might consider 25 per page a decent balance. Just five more per page makes for one less next page click needed per hundred rows. Though, that's assuming you're wanting to make a decent user-end experience and not just increase possible ads seen (whether those would go to supporting the site's upkeep or not) and/or clicks gained.
Another thing to weigh might be scrolling overflow versus a "back to top" anchor and link. Keeping your main navigation more readily on screen and all.
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No.7902
>>7901
I think 25 sounds good. I'm not currently planning to put ads on the site. Not sure what you mean by scrolling overflow, however.
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No.7903
>>7902
>Not sure what you mean by scrolling overflow, however.
Basically, if you restrict the height of a container, the content or elements within will stop being visible once it reaches the edge of the parameter specified. Setting attributes of "overflow:auto;" or "overflow:scroll;" will create an internal scrollbar within the section, allowing the user to shift what is shown within the confines at a given time (what is within the visible "box", essentially). This can be useful for keeping an actual page height shorter, as well as stuff like header, footer, and navigation sections visible at all times. That said, it can take some extra work to accommodate the introduction of the bar, looks better under certain design styles (IE: framing on three sides), and you could probably give a position of "fix" to stuff you want to keep visible instead. The anchored "Back to top" idea might also be more era appropriate as well.
Just an idea though if you want to play around with it.
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No.7904
>>7903
I'll consider it, though I think I'll have to stick with the "Back to top" idea, not because it's era appropriate, but because I'm not sure how I'd go about the scrollbar idea without making it janky and/or look like shit.
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No.7905
>>7904
True, the scrollbar seems to have a default grey-on-white when I've tried it, and I'd have to look more into how styleable it is, mainly since it's not it's own element, but an attribute itself.
>I'll consider it, though I think I'll have to stick with the "Back to top" idea, not because it's era appropriate, but because I'm not sure how I'd go about the scrollbar idea without making it janky and/or look like shit.
Might have to decide whether to put to anchor at the top of the section, or top of the page itself then. You'll probably need more dummy content inserted to see how much difference there is in how such handles though.
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No.7906
>>7905
>>7904
Also make sure you're testing things across multiple browsers as you go. Currently trying to figure out why a simple image replace toggle I've been using refuses to work in Firefox or forks like Palemoon.
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No.7907
>>7906
>>7905
It it turned out that somehow it was the quotations I was using. I have no idea how it registers two different kinds of ", but some browsers do not like certain ones while others don't seem to give a fuck. Just thought I'd share it if that might come up as a problem for you down the line.
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No.7908
>>7907
Got it. Thanks for the info.
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No.7911
I think within the next day or so, I'll design some images for the buttons to make them look better. I am not good at pixel art though. At all. So be warned.
Also, what would be a reasonable size for them? As I said, I am not good with pixel art.
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No.7912
>>7911
Depends on the purpose and if it requires its own text to understand what clicking it does. For example, something I've been working at uses a set of small 16x16 flags to toggle the displayed cover art and associated label above them; if you ask me, the utility there is inherently known without needing further descriptions within the toggle itself.
Assuming you're using <button> at present, you cannot have an image background as an attribute for that element. You can fake a button instead by wrapping an image in an anchor so as to give it similar functionality calls. You might also consider just looking at what attributes you can set to the toggles' element so as to simply change the colors to fit the existing color scheme.
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No.7914
>>7912
I'll take that into consideration.
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