No.4831 [Last50 Posts]
BUCKLE UP, THE RIDE'S STARTING AGAIN
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No.4832
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No.4833
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No.4835
Is it just me, or did this suddenly show up COMPLETELY out of nowhere with absolutely no warning?
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No.4837
>>4835
Show up? Yes. But the deltarune website has existed for two years.
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No.4844
>>4837
I got some bad news for any Male susie fans.
From some dialogue at the end it looks like you're gonna get joel'd
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No.4845
>>4844
ps.
what key pieces did you find? Is there only no. 3?
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No.4846
>>4845
(This one is an unrelated spoiler sry for samepost)
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No.4851
>>4845
Go to the elevator on the first floor of the castle (not the one that goes to the top floor), select ?????. Go down the stairs and talk to the closed door. Go to the shopkeeper to the left of the "field" glowy door, and use the new talk option. Find the secret path among the dancers, it's seriously not hard. Go to the smith (bake sale area) to fix the key. Go back to the ????? room. Hypnotize him a lot.
The problem I have is that this actually does seem to change nothing at all. The relevant new item the tail seems to do nothing at all. What the fuck am I missing? What do I have to do NOW? Is there any course of action that leads to Ralsei coming with me? (The way that Kris and Susie walk up to the fountain makes it seem like he ought to be there.) Is there anything else to do involving Seam? I talked to him with the new options but all I got was some interesting dialogue.
I lost ONCE against Jevil and am cursing myself for being weak - /utg/ is so fucking helpless that some of them can't beat him at all. He's not that fucking hard if you have any sense of these things.
For that matter, how do I get reindeer girl into her home? How do I get into the bunker south of town? Is all of this just not in the game yet?
Final thoughts - this is a dream. This game is literally made of dreams. I've had enough hardcore, in-depth dreams to know that Toby literally made this game out of dream concepts and dream logic, even moreso than in the original.
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No.4853
>>4851
Thanks for the tips.
(Although I figured it all out before reading so sorry)
I too could find no use for the tail
As for the reindeer girl and the bunker I think that's stuff for a future episode
My personal theory is that it's not an AU, It's just deliberately muddying the waters. Alphys and Undyne probably just broke up or something
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No.4855
>>4853
But anon.
Asriel is alive, and has been for a while.
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No.4856
>>4855
Don't question it ;_;. (Maybe it'll all be revealed how he came back?)
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No.4858
In retrospect, I'm not much of a fan of where this is going, and I don't think a lot of other people are going to be, either. I have never killed a monster even once in either the original game or this one- it's still beneath me, even after three years- and I'm nowhere near alone. Toby had this kid rip out his soul and pull a knife. If he forces geno in Chapter 2, he's going to get blowback the likes of which he's never seen. He's brought out Alice in Wonderland shit? The Tumblrites and the chans will be united in calling for his fucking head on a plate Red Queen style.
Also, we don't yet know who's being abused at home. Susie's behavior is in line with that of neglected children, and Kris's lack of personal property is seriously disturbing - check his and Delta!Azzy's bedroom. It really doesn't seem like it from her behavior and lines, but if it turns out that Delta!Toriel is in fact neglecting him somehow, there's going to be even more serious rage, including extremely angry fics and recipes for roast dog.
Again, this is all a dreamworld, but it's getting to be nightmarish as fuck, and not in the "let's overcome it through either the power of friendship or serious, realistic work" sense.
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No.4860
>>4858
Chill faggoat, Toby is showing that he is improving over the years with the new more fleshed-out combat than UT's and other things. Give Chapter 2 a chance, I love to see where toby is going with this.
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No.4861
>>4860
>Give Chapter 2 a chance
Oh, of course. I'm seeing this through to the end even if both Toby and I live three thousand years. This is Toby, not Telltale.
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No.4862
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No.4863
>>4862
>No. No matter what you do the ending will be the same.
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No.4864
>>4862
>literally an hour later toby destroyed my theories I had
WELP
>>4863
I don't want to be that guy, BUT....There being one ending says nothing about how the rest of the story plays out. Who knows, maybe it will pretty good or disappointingly bad.. We'll have to see in a few years.
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No.4865
>>4862
Okay, now with that out of the way, it's time to actually address the real problem with this - Toby is trying to hire people.
I don't want to say that he has no idea what the fuck he's getting into, but I'm not sure if he really has any idea what the fuck he's getting into. Undertale is too big, too well-known. He's going to get a lot of bullshit applications from trolls, a lot of applications from well-meaning dipshits who don't actually have the skill or experience to produce anything of worth, a lot of shit from otherwise well-meaning people who ultimately want to fuck with his story, a lot of shit from even more well-meaning people with real credentials who expect a more structured development environment, and if he's really unlucky, he'll get someone who earns enough of his trust to see the full story and promptly leaks the whole fucking thing.
Unless Toby is prepared to go full Chris Roberts, my-way-or-the-highway, deadlines-uber-alles taskmaster, partitioning tasks among people with absolute confidence, I think he's probably going to get fucked in one way or another.
I simply don't think he has the fucking ego he needs to pull this off. Godspeed, Toby.
>>4864
This is possible, but the way things are going, I really don't see a lot of branching going on here...
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No.4866
>>4865
My biggest fear isn't the trolls.
My fear is that toby is friends with a lot of fuckups and whoever he picks is gonna shit all over it or fuck everything with their charlitain credentials
He was involved with Homestuck remember. Think about all the autism in that circle of people
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No.4867
>>4866
>a lot of applications from well-meaning dipshits who don't actually have the skill or experience to produce anything of worth
>a lot of shit from otherwise well-meaning people who ultimately want to fuck with his story
That's exactly who I was thinking of. Toby has just the right balance of Chris-chan-tier parallel universe autism and actual talent to make something unique and engaging. Damn near everyone else in that whole community does not.
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No.4868
>>4862
>not only was I right about how to improve gameplay and damn near predicted every change in the /vg/ thread
>I was also right about it going to shit based solely on it being episodic
Do I have fucking ESP or something or something?
Guess this means if I want my undertale fix, I'll have to make that remake of undertale.
Now I need to learn how to make assets, code and waste even more of my time on something that I won't even be able to make money on and will eat even more of my life up.
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No.4869
Oh, fuck me. I just realized something. Tell me if any of this is wrong, /underground/.
First things first - let's take monsterdom and all the silly shit out of the Lightside parts. Let's recast Toriel and Asgore as ordinary human adults. They're not monsters anymore, they're just people, this is just an ordinary small town. Their names and identities have none of the meaning they have for us. Susie's not a monster either.
So, who is Kris? A kid with an overachieving older brother and nothing of his own, not even friends. Who is Susie? A neglected child with nothing to eat and shit to wear.
And what do the two of them do together? Enter a shared world of imagination.
Ralsei doesn't really exist. She (I'm going with 'she' here) really is the plushie you see on the floor. If you make some very bad choices relating to the dummy (saw this on a video), she'll even tell you that if you want to attack her, that's okay, too. She's part of Kris's imagination, a permanent friend who will serve him no matter what and believes that all of the imaginative world (the Dark World) should serve its (human) owners too.
Who's Lancer, then? Susie's inner child, lashing out and choosing to be the bad guy because so is her father (personified as the King). It's only after she confronts him directly that she can really be Kris's friend. How does the Dark World part end? With one of two childish fantasies - either the child sends the adult to his room or puts him to bed.
If Susie and Kris lash out at each other in their play (there is nobody else there), all they remember is the freakouts. If they don't freak out at each other, they get to part peacefully.
And then there's Jevil, who says "Chaos, chaos!" and "I can do ANYTHING!" He's speaking literally - within that imaginative world, he can do anything once he's released. He's the personification of unbridled insanity.
Tell me how any of this isn't a shared fantasy of two children bonding over severe trauma and neglect?
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No.4870
>>4869
>I'm going with 'she' here
Why would you do that?
>really is the plushie you see on the floor
Isn't that Seam?
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No.4871
>>4869
>Let's change the sex of the shadow goat because why not
>also everything wuz a dream all along
I swear to fuck if you're toby and this is your plan you're fucking retarded.
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No.4872
>>4870
>>4871
I can accept the plushie on the ground being Seam, but where's the canonical evidence for Ralsei being a he?
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No.4873
>>4872
>He will hug you, and call you HONEY.
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No.4874
>>4873
Well, that's just what that other darksider.... ah fuck it, you're right. Unless "his" uncovering of "himself" really was of being secretely a girl all along.
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No.4875
>>4872
He introduces himself as the fucking prince, the dust bunnies target him and call him a he.
You would have to not play the game to not know he's a he.
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No.4876
>>4875
I think what happens is that people assume he's male right up to the end so they don't notice the male pronouns and such because they don't seem out of place yet. And then they start thinking he's a girl but don't look back.
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No.4877
>>4876
This. So either "he" or "secretly a girl the whole time". Not the important part, I was about to call him/her an "it" as a product of their imagination.
Wouldn't that be a Susie thing to do? To say at the end of their LARP, "And then Ralsei lifted up his fuzzy mask and it turned out he was a girl the whole time"?
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No.4878
>>4877
The shocking thing is that he looks like Asriel.
Being a girl would be a weird irrelevant detail compared to that.
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No.4879
>>4878
The shocking thing is that "he" didn't for most of the game.
I'm still pissed that there's no way to take Ralsei home, but of course that's impossible in a Moonside situation...
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No.4880
>>4879
Well something you might not have noticed.
Ralsei is the only thing that didn't have a counterpart in the room when you return from the dark world
Ralsei might be as real as Kris and Susie
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No.4881
>>4880
>* Kris, honey, you have grown up so much...
>* Someday soon you will be going off to university as well...
>* ...
>* Remember when you were little...
>* You asked when your horns were going to grow in?
>* So we bought that headband with the little red horns on it.
>* Oh, you wore it for months! Whatever happened to it?
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No.4882
>>4881
Blacked goats horns are pink though, not faded or matte pink, but shiny pink.
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No.4883
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>4882
There are lots and lots of other differences between stuff and Dark World representations, though. "Toys come to life" frankly make the most sense out of all of this.
Is the Jevil simply the Joker card, though?
btw watch this video if you want to feel inadequate
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No.4884
>>4883
I mean, if you want to keep fucking going with this retarded "lol it's all in their heads" bullshit, by all means.
But it was retarded all the times people tried to pull it before and it's retarded now.
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No.4885
>>4884
Seam and all the playing card-themed darkeners are clearly related to the items in the room. That's true whether or not you think it's all in their heads (I personally don't).
The headband fits that pattern very well.
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No.4886
>>4884
>>4885
The truth is that I don't know. It hit me as a possibility (although a lot of shit in the game needs to be turned into metaphors to accept it) and I threw it out there just to see what logical arguments could come out against (and for) it. Not really bait, just discussion mongering.
After putting the idea through the wringer, I'm actually coming down on the side of "imagination-born subworld" - it exists in the sense that they were actually there, but the things manifested there were strongly affected by the thoughts, hopes, and dreams of its visitors and the objects in their surrounding environment. Ralsei really is manifested from Kris's headband and love of his big brother Azzy, and Lancer and King really were formed from Susie's inner child and thoughts of her abusive father. Not a strict Moonside-style shared hallucination scenario, not just imaginative play.
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No.4887
>>4886
>abusive father
What's that based on?
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No.4888
>>4886
then why does your phone not work and instead plays gaster sounds
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No.4889
>>4887
There are some serious signs that Susie grew up with abuse and/or neglect.
<Hungry all the time
<Has learned to bully anyone smaller than her
<Prone to violently acting out (not a Chara-style cold psychopath, though)
Also, here are the signs of child neglect as listed by a professional advocacy center:
>Is frequently late or missing from school.
>Untreated illnesses and physical injuries.
>Clothes are ill-fitting, filthy, or inappropriate for weather, and caregiver has access to resources to remedy the situation but chooses not to utilize resources.
>Hygiene is consistently bad (unbathed, matted and unwashed hair, noticeable body odor).
>Is frequently unsupervised or left alone or allowed to play in unsafe situations and environments.
Three, possibly four out of five, plus some extra stuff that basically screams "grew up in a violent household". That kid is fucked.
>>4888
Are you expecting a cell phone to get a signal in an imagination-based subworld, anon?
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No.4890
>>4889
well, if it was just their imagination then it should work
they should also have been found if it was all just their imagination from being in that room
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No.4891
>>4890
An imagination-based subworld is like what you'd find in The Neverending Story or many other kids' movies. It's based on their imagination but they're actually in that world - not in ours.
If you don't get it with that post, I'm not gonna continue trying to explain.
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No.4892
>>4891
("Not in ours", here, meaning of course the Lightside world of the game. They're actually in the Darkside world.)
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No.4893
I just want this.
Can I have this?
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No.4894
I don't know what possessed me to make this but I did and it still doesn't look wholly right. Least I can keep editing it freely.
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No.4895
>>4894
the power of fluffy boys did
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No.4896
Haven't had this level of good fanart in ages.
I love this game.
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No.4897
>>4893
scene: Asriel and Ralsei meet and decide to trade their outfits minus Ral's glasses he needs to see; Asgore mistakes Ral for Azzy and beats him for how gay he looks
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No.4899
>>4894
Nice job
>>4896
Where was the one image where the title was "Goat too pure for this world. Too pure." with an Asriel pic
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No.4900
>>4899
>that second pic
Has Smashedatoms just Spidermanned us?
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No.4903
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No.4911
I wonder what piece of DELTARUNE merch they're unveiling on fangamer tomorrow
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No.4925
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No.4927
>>4889
Not that poster, but you know what? I would. I absolutely would expect that. It wouldn't be connecting to the real-world cell-phone network, but it would be connecting to the local imagined one.
Especially since the object Kris had probably wasn't his cell phone, but the Dark World projection of his cell phone, in the same way that the swords were the Dark World projections of pencils.
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No.4928
>>4927
I'm pretty sure his phone didn't get altered (it was about the only thing that didn't). This would make a lot of sense, though.
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No.4934
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No.4935
>>4934
careful now, you might attract the attention of a certain user who has a vendetta against "mean mr droumpfkstv"
with his super power of brain damage, we'll never see the end of his spam
:^)
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No.4939
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No.4940
>>4844
Eh. I've got seven years until it's canon. I can enjoy it.
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No.4945
These two are just so cute together.
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No.4956
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No.4960
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No.4961
>>4960
>I CAN DO ANYTHING
>not Metamorphosis
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No.4965
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No.4969
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No.4972
>>4965
Kris's hand is on backwards in pic 1
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No.5098
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No.5347
>When you're designed to be simlar to another character, but the web keep drawing you as a sassy black woman
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No.5421
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No.5438
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No.5449
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No.5462
Two years and no chapter 2 yet.
Wonder why the board's slow.
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No.5492
>>5462
the general on normiechan is going strong
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No.5493
>>5492
Yeah but where the fuck is the game tho
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