/underground/ - The Underground

Burned for witchcraft.

>3rd image

>Alphys appointed before Toriel leaves Asgore

>Alphys even being born before the 6th human is long dead

The yellow line should be really REALLY long compared to anything the happened during the game itself.

>>522

There's plenty more problems than that.

The "pre-war" bit is something we have no canon information for, so it shouldn't even be included. Our knowledge starts with the war between humans and monsters, and goes from there; for all we know, war might have started as soon as either humans or monsters came into existence.

The time that the "war" lasts should be very little; possibly only a few days because the monsters were decimated. Between the monsters being sealed and Asriel being born should probably be thousands of years, also.

There shouldn't be any space between Chara and Asriel's death; that happened on the same day.

There's nothing to suggest when Gaster died except that it was before the events of the game, although presumably the CORE was finished before Asriel was born, otherwise they wouldn't have electricity in New Home, so why would it have lamps?

There was not that much time between Asriel's death and Flowey being born. Probably about a year, because the flower that bloomed on his grave came from a seed. The time Flowey was fucking around with the timeline also could have been centuries. There's no indication for how long it took the other 6 humans to fall in.

Frisk's Determination would have overridden Flowey's as soon as he fell into the Underground.

There's some pretty good evidence to suggest that the events of the game take place during a single calendar day.

The split from the Neutral and Pacifist timeline should be much earlier, in fact before the death of Asgore — right after sparing Mettaton is the correct place. It needs to reflect the fact that either confrontation with Asgore takes place at the same time.

Frisk cannot have left the Underground in Neutral because he didn't have any SOUL other than his own.

The Genocide looping onto itself makes no sense, because you can do a Neutral or Pacifist (well, Spoiled Pacifist) run after a Genocide run; it should loop back to Neutral just as the Neutral line does.

>>533

Its strange. Dogamy and Dogaressa lost the Nose-Nuzzling competition to Toriel and Asgore in the year '98, yet Alphys, Undyne, Papyrus, and Sans had no idea who Toriel was, as seen in the Pacifist ending (Sans only knew her as that mysterious lady who tells jokes behind the door). Does '98 mean 1998? Chara fell down in 201X, which Asgore said was "long ago". Just how old are those dogs?

And doesn't the fact that Alphys never knew Toriel, coupled with the fact that she experimented with the human souls before injecting determination into a flower, mean Flowey had to have been born long after Asriel died? I mean, everyone who was alive when Toriel was ruling alongside Asgore would have known her right? They were always very public figures.

>>539

'98 could be the year 1098 for all we know. What's more important to me is the fact that Dogamy and Dogaressa clearly got married right before Frisk arrived (as noted by the "Dog Marriage" sign) but were nuzzling noses years before! We're they dating for centuries and then finally decided to settle down??

In all seriousness, the chain of events has to be that Asriel died and Toriel left, and then the flower grew and Asriel's essence went inside of it, and then the six humans fell down, and then Alphys extracted their DT and injected it into the flower, giving it life and making Flowey.

What we don't know is how long it took those six humans to fall down. It could have been a very short amount of time. It can't be TOO long, though, because Frisk clearly is from the present age, maybe 2050 at the very latest. I can't see kids a thousand years from now still wearing striped shirts and speaking English and knowing how to use a CD player.

All of the monsters except for Toriel and Asgore seem to be in their 20's. Both Papyrus and Undyne have an online screenname that suggest that very strongly. If only as much as 30 years has passed, Asriel would have died and Toriel gone into exile before they were born.