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 No.1946 [Last50 Posts]

>tfw this guy could've been the Thrawn of the prequel era, with bonus Jedi-destroying skills

Just rewatching the 2003 cartoon hurts, knowing that he went from a genius strategist and ultimate Jedi-killing machine to a complete disappointment.

Makes it even worse now that it is no longer canon, and the wheezing loser of the CGI Clone Wars show is the "real" Grievous. Shit, they even lowballed Dooku in that show.

I like him having four arms, though. That was a cool addition. I liked him using his legs in combat too, though. Imagine, six limbs, each a potential weapon.

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 No.1947

> I liked him using his legs in combat too, though. Imagine, six limbs, each a potential weapon.

Would be interesting, but it would look goofy in the big screen. The best Grievous is still the one from the novelization.

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 No.1949

>>1947

>The best Grievous is still the one from the novelization.

this. also,

>not accepting gendy grievous over tcw grievous

>implying the two can't simultaneously exist, minus a few retcons

i like to think that grievous replaces parts when he starts getting that cough.

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 No.6439

>>1949

>implying the two can't simultaneously exist, minus a few retcons

They are two completely different characters, no shit they can't co-exist.

>The best Grievous is still the one from the novelization.

Novel Grievous was basically slapping a band-aid on a festering wound and calling it a day. Kinda like the rest of it.

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 No.6440

Grievous on EU backstory was simply gold. Actually the description of his relationship with Kummar was leagues better than the Padmé/Sand/Anakin romance/relationship. It was really touching. The paralels with him and Vader were also excellent

And them they changed to make him a sunday morning cartoon villain who chose to became a cyborg just because "durr hurr will became more powerful just because".

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 No.6444

>>6440

The Kaleesh were also a really cool species imo.

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 No.6548

File: 05a7e7289aeee2f⋯.jpg (69.72 KB,700x699,700:699,4538e8abc0a3398948e800baf3….jpg)

>>1946

>I like him having four arms, though. That was a cool addition.

>I liked him using his legs in combat too.

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 No.6581

>>1946

100% Lucas Autism I am very certain they could have given us a couple great fights in CG wars the but the fact that whenever grievous sensed a challenge in that show he ran. Lucas never knew what to do with him like should I make this insane badass jedi killer or a coward in a metal shell?

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 No.6600

>>6581

I think part of the problem was that Anakin & Grievous couldn't meet/fight (or even see each other) in the show, since they first meet in Ep III.

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 No.6603

File: b5093e6fc9020a0⋯.jpg (92.21 KB,700x699,700:699,I_do_what_I_want.jpg)

>>6548

>do not repost

I don't tell you how to live your life.

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 No.6606

Wasn't there some story where Grievous got a blood transfusion from Sifo-Dyas, in an attempt to become force-sensitive due to muh midichlorians?

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 No.6608

File: 5a038faf804ba62⋯.jpg (206 KB,1302x1650,217:275,Grievoushead.jpg)

>>6606

Did it work? If it did, you'd assume Jedi & Sith alike would be juicing.

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 No.6612

>tfw there will never be a game entirely devoted to playing as General Grievous

>tfw you realize General Grievous is basically a cyborg ninja

>tfw you will never toss AT-TEs in the air and carve them up with your lightsabers

>tfw you will never try to assassinate Padme and then be picked up and kicked by Anakin into a wall while he's screaming DON'T FUCK WITH THIS SENATOR

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 No.6613

>>6612

It'd work so perfectly too because he could hold up to 4 different weapons that you could either mix and match different weapon moves in conjunction with eachother/have different sabers with different stat boosts or effects/Have his multiple arms and sabers be represented with style switching ala DMC4

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 No.6615

>>6608

>Did it work?

really nigga? do you recall grievous using the force?

>>6606

yeah, the shuttle crash origin had dooku use sifo-dyas' blood in an attempt to give grievous force powers, but it did nothing except keep him alive.

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 No.6618

>>6608

There's probably some risks involved. Only reasons Grievous can probably take it is because he's hardened and mighty warrior who endured incredible pain before and has a strong mental fortitude.

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 No.6619

>>6615

>really nigga?

Yes, really nigger.

Though he probably wouldn't be able to use the Force like Jedi, given his cybernetic limbs, he might be able to tap into the Force to see dangers and attacks coming and bend the will of others.

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 No.6631

>>6581

I heard that Dave Filoni wanted to make Grievous like the 2003 cartoon but Lucas put his foot down.

Grievous also wasn't that unstoppable. For instance, re-watching Genndy Wars, if you look closely you'll notice that Grievous can't block blaster bolts because he doesn't have the Force-fueled precognition that Jedi/Sith have to do it, so he dodges them instead due to having superhuman speed because cybernetics or outwits his foes because he's a tactical genius.

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 No.6632

>>6631

>>6581

Lucas seemed to take personal offense at every attempt the EU made to introduce some "Jedi-killer" archetype. I still remember about him personally handing down the order to retcon Mandalorian Iron.

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 No.6634

>>6632

Which was really fucking stupid and contributed to the impression of Jedi and Sith being these unstoppable ass-kicking machines. I remember a lot of people on the Jedi Council Forums complaining about it back in the day.

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 No.6637

>>6632

>I still remember about him personally handing down the order to retcon Mandalorian Iron.

The Mandalorians got a little too wanked. It’s fine having Boba Fett being a badass Mandalorian but having this culture of non force using Jedi-Killers is dumb.

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 No.6641

File: ae08a19d8cc6797⋯.jpg (84.38 KB,316x500,79:125,arnoldwasabountyhunter.jpg)

>>6637

I don't disagree. Jedi and Sith can access the all pervasive energy that binds life and matter and harmonize with it defy normal limitations or bend it to their wills into something that subverts the normal altogether. That should reasonably put them on a tier of ability vastly superior to those without psychic meta-magic superpowers such that overcoming them without those numerous advantages would be exceptional and heroic. A gunslinger who can outwit and outmaneuver a clairvoyant wizard samurai should not be common or make it without some measure of luck.

But >>6634 brings up a good point too. It was getting to the point where Jedi and Sith had no lack of their own wank. It was a long, crazy ride but somehow things went from it being a huge deal that Sheev could zap Luke with lightning from his fingertips to a canonically weaker Sith just parking his ship in orbit over a planet while he sucked out all its life energy before moving on.

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 No.6643

>>6641

I think the issue of Jedi/Sith wank really started with the EU, particular with the Skywalker family who suddenly started getting all these crazy superpowers and shit. Then you had Anakin's "Chosen One" background, which suddenly made him into a canon demigod. Then Jedi and Sith started to get uninteresting and boring and you started having the "Superman Problem" where the only person that really posed a threat to a Jedi or a Sith was another Jedi or a Sith. So the Jedi/Sith went from wizard ninjas who had all these cool skills and powers but still had to work hard not to die against ordinary goons to virtual superheroes.

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 No.6645

>>6641

Feat wise, Yoda said shit like, “yeah, moving an x-wing is the same as a rock” which meant that crazy shit like pulling a star destroyer out of orbit was now on the table.

But there were counters in the EU like assassin droids, which were so nasty that only Jedi Knights could face one in combat. Grievous epitomizes the non force user warrior, where through tech and skill, you can challenge a Jedi Knight. Two Droidekas can standoff two Jedi.

But Jedi are also supposed to be very rare. Luke tearing shit up on Tatooine makes sense. When you start having thousands of Jedi there’s a problem, although they don’t do well against full armies without support.

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 No.6745

>>1946

I had not seen the 2003 cartoon until just recently. For more than ten years I did not understand why anybody liked Grievous at all. His portrayal in the movie was so ridiculously bad that I wrote him off as a stupid edgelord villain for kids who just wanted to see as many lightsabers on the screen as possible.

Bizarrely, a fucking cartoon short treats the character with more respect than a multimillion-dollar film did. Then I read his Legends wiki article. I don't know if I would go so far as to call him the "Thrawn of the prequels" but holy shit this character's potential was completely wasted.

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 No.6986

>>6606

No it didn't. Really they gave him the transfusion while his body was recovering from his ship getting blown up.

>>6631

I dunno. There's an interview where Filoni seems to scoff at old EU Grievous.

Honestly the only Grievous I acknowledge is the one from the Genndy micro-series and the old comics.

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 No.7011

>>6986

Filoni also wanted to butcher Durge for whatever reason and reduce him to an ordinary human. Its like he wanted to take everything Genndy made cool and reduce it to Lucas level.

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 No.7036

>>7011

I honestly don't know why he does this. Filoni reminded me a bit of Dan and Dave that write for Game of Thrones and how they pretty much discarded most of what GRRM wrote around late season 4.

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 No.7054

File: 160af7c5601ef46⋯.jpeg (49.28 KB,720x350,72:35,image.jpeg)

>>6986

Pretty much yeah. His treatment of Grievous in that show is unforgivable for me, which is why I will never regard Filoni as /my guy/ Grievous was a massive casualty of TCW to the point where his backstory has been nebulous canon for years even before the Disney buyout. They half assed some bullshit about him choosing to be a cyborg but worded it in such a way that you could easily interpret it as his pride not allowing him to admit he was strong armed into it as in the original shuttle crash origin. And they never expanded on that because even though he was arguably the most important antagonist after Dooku, he only got one episode focused on him very early on in season 1 and an episode in season four (?) where he genocided the nighsisters, his only cool moment in the show. It was shameful.

As a massive Grievous fag and aspiring author I can say the only, ONLY positive thing about the buyout and purge of the EU is that his relative unpopularity will pretty much leave him untouched and maybe one day if my writing takes off I may be able to do him some justice in a "canon" book. If Wendig gets hired they'll basically let anyone go for it so my chances are better than you'd think initially.

Remember this thread, troopers. If a nu-canon author shows up in a few years flagrantly bringing back the best of the old EU, remember it was grievous fag and he is ostensibly /your guy/

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 No.7056

>>7054

Godspeed anon!

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 No.7067

I think Grievous' biggest problem remains his appearance in Revenge of the Sith. That kind of pigeon-holed him into the wheezing, cowardly loser role so stuff like Genndy Wars is very much an outlier when it comes to depictions of Grievous. Compare to someone like Ventress, who never appeared in the films and is therefore relatively capable as a villainess since she is a blank slate.

Of course, you could do something like Genndy Wars did with Mace Windu crushing Grievous' chest, thus explaining his future lameness while leaving most of his Clone Wars portrayals open for more badass interpretations but that still kind of has to wrestle around Grievous still being a bit of an idiot and a coward in Episode 3. Also, Anakin never meeting Grievous until Episode 3, unless you do something with Anakin fighting Grievous while in disguise so Grievous still thinks that it's his first time meeting Anakin while Anakin just doesn't bother correcting Grievous.

>>7054

>and an episode in season four (?) where he genocided the nighsisters

Wasn't that the one where Grievous got wrecked by Ventress in 1-on-1? So even then, he didn't really get his moment to shine.

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 No.7079

File: d07772d5e1ab818⋯.jpeg (44.08 KB,640x414,320:207,image.jpeg)

>>7067

I don't think GenndyWars and ROTS have to be mutually exclusive though. In GenndyWars, Dooku tells Grievous if he is going to beat the best of the Jedi he needs to have them scared, suprised and intimidated. Obviously he's going to faceroll no name knights and padawans, but if you rewatch the show with that in mind, he plays a lot of head games on Hypori and Coruscant before engaging. Obi Wan and Anakin were obviously never taken by suprise, nor were they ever scared of or intimidated by him, so it makes sense he'd bail from those engagements since he knows he's outclassed by force users with thier heads on straight.

And the cowardly portrayal will always directly conflict with the fact that he has a fuck ton of lightsabers, enough to replace the dozens he loses over the war. He's getting them from somewhereso you know he's winning, just off screen

>>7056

Appreciate it, m8!

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 No.7121

>>7079

I always figured Grevious was kinda sick, as in his we once a great warrior but his body was obviously starting to fail him, still a great foe though, even Obi Wan was close to lose to him.

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 No.7128

>>6631

>le Filloni was cool, Lucas was a kill joy

lol, Filloni is 100% responsible for Rebels, he's a hack.

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 No.7129

>>7128

>100%

Are you retarded? Look at how extreme the difference is between Rebels and The Clone Wars. Someone, probably Kennedy, has him by the short hairs.

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 No.7141

>>7079

I honestly could've handled his portrayal and weakness in SWTOR if not for the fact that even Ahsoka and Jar Jar managed to own him in the most pathetic way possible. Not to mention Chee put the Windu choke from Genndy Wars after these two failures, so it kinda rubs salt in the wound.

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 No.7145

>>7054

If only it were that simple, anon.

You’re forgetting about the diversity quota. You’d either have to make an established character gay or write a new token character just to get your books published. And that’s if they even let you touch the prequel era.

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 No.7149

>>7145

You really think that'll be a thing after Bob Iger gets laughed out of the Democrat primaries? After the Overton Window shifts?

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 No.7160

>>7141

>SWTOR

I meant CW. Fuck.

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 No.7161

>>7149

Honestly I'm willing to support anyone who is not Iger. Hell, I'll even shill for Oprah if I have to just to see him fail. Once that's done I can get off the fat Oprah train.

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 No.7230

>>7149

>You really think that'll be a thing after Bob Iger gets laughed out of the Democrat primaries? After the Overton Window shifts?

While I'm sure that the Overton Window will shift, I'm almost positive that it's going to shift in an even worse direction, so get ready for more pozz anons.

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 No.7239

>>7230

I thought it was heading rightwards though?

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 No.7244

>>7239

It's not going in any particular direction. It's just kind of getting exploded so any and every idea which wouldn't have been acceptable 10 years ago or so is now open for debate.

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 No.7256

>>7239

If you live on /pol/, sure. Otherwise, not really. The general public seems to tend mostly left with the occasional voice of outrage if it goes too far but it's still slowly, thought steadily, being pushed to the left.

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 No.7267

File: 9504977e09b5d2d⋯.mp4 (7.99 MB,506x576,253:288,Han, hello darkness my old….mp4)

>>7230

>>7244

>>7256

>get ready for more pozz anons.

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 No.7269

>>7256

And all because Africa is a shit hole country…

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 No.7296

>>1946

>tfw this guy could've been the Thrawn of the prequel era

Hey, don't insult Grievous by comparing him to that monotone Gary Stu of a villain. At least EU Grievous had entertaining character, believable pathos and a sympathetic motivation. Thrawn is flat as a cardboard and the only reason people cream themselves over him is because he's some kind of super military genius who can pull people's psychological profiles out of his ass because art or some shit. And even then he goes out like a punk once Zahn ran out of ideas to keep dragging out his retarded trilogy.

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 No.7298

>>7269

?

>>7256

If you live on the coasts, but otherwise I don't think so.

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 No.7303

Perhaps the Overton Window is lurching right among regular jack-offs, but media professionals have been so accustomed to leading a cultural narrative and spoonfeeding their sensibilities through control of pop-culture that they just don't know how to cope with the marketplace not aligning with their shepherding anymore.

That's why you see all of this quintupling down and prosecution of even more radical ploys dispensing with anything resembling nuance or subtlety. It's panic mode and mashing the glowing red buttons full propaganda salvos ahead. It happened in the 1980s too as a reaction against Reagnism and Thatcherism, but the 2010s have a cultivated internet that didn't exist then.

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 No.7369

>>7298

>?

A bunch of people have started going berserk after Trump said some parts of Africa are shit holes, and even people I knew who were centrist decided to go full virtue-signalling lib over the matter even though its true and idiots need to stop pretending Africa is anything like Wakanda from Marvel comics and realize that they need serious agricultural and governmental reforms.

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 No.7405

This is so obscure and I can't find a pic of it so I may have to load up an emulator or something and try it but my favourite look for Grievous was from the Episode III game in the versus mode if two people picked him. The sightly altered colouration and red lightsaber look was kino

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 No.7409

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>7405

You mean Revenge of the Sith for PS2?

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 No.7419

>>7369

They went loony over…that? The one which even Kipling said wasn't worth it? Well, I can't see this really lasting.

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 No.7426

>>7419

I think they just went looney because the triggering president said it. I mean, people went crazy because the orange man got two scoops of ice cream. And please don't ban me Bordo for being off-topic, I just wanted to add my two-cents.

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 No.7489

>>7409

Grievous was such a pain in the ass in duel mode. He would pretty much attack non-stop and could block any ranged attacks, so your only tactic was for wait for him to start a combo then stun/lightning blast him or fling explosive shit at him. Forget about close combat engagements, even trying to sneak in a single strike in between his combos would result in your character taking a dozen hits.

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 No.7494

>>7409

Was that James Arnold Taylor voicing Obi Wan? I noticed that in the Genndy series he sounded more subdued when he voiced him but in the CGI one he felt either more lively or exaggerated. I'm not sure if that's the best description but that's the most I can make sense of it.

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 No.7528

File: 31d4c2d4d581c51⋯.jpg (452.01 KB,600x749,600:749,its not a trap, its an AU.jpg)

>>7489

>tfw always played as Grievous

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 No.7594

>>7489

the fuck you talking about? all you had to do was block until his combo finished, then hit back for like 3 hits, then rinse and repeat.

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 No.7617

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>7409

Yea that's the one. Player 2 always had the better costumes, hood up Anakin with the red lightsaber was pure sex.

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 No.7618

File: e1830da8645b478⋯.jpg (558.35 KB,1988x1445,1988:1445,grievous tan 1.jpg)

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>>7528

>Grievous tan

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 No.7620

File: 948b60c015de0e0⋯.jpg (143.87 KB,864x960,9:10,1507063687 (1).jpg)

>>7618

>this exists

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 No.7622

File: 782c356a5f5bba1⋯.png (803.48 KB,680x934,340:467,grievous tan 3.png)

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File: f72561e7609aae4⋯.jpg (79.62 KB,600x960,5:8,grievous tan 7.jpg)

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 No.7625

>>7622

That's adorable.

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 No.7629

>>7625

Some guy on deviantart was making a webcomic based on this stuff. I have some pics if you'd like to see and a link to his page.

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 No.7630

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
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 No.7631

>>7618

>>7622

I had forgotten this existed.

>>7629

Dump it.

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 No.7632

File: c645766fc5f7795⋯.png (141.14 KB,1884x423,628:141,republic_high_background_s….png)

File: 029096540fce7f1⋯.png (196.94 KB,966x467,966:467,republic_high_underclasmen….png)

File: 1ec2b943d8b3334⋯.png (264.76 KB,1500x464,375:116,republic_high_upperclasmen….png)

File: 1a43b27bf03c33a⋯.png (169.91 KB,1300x561,1300:561,c_i_s__underclassmen_and_d….png)

File: 144f0822f96d38d⋯.png (125.58 KB,900x583,900:583,school_principals__grieve_….png)

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 No.7633

File: e2ca1137f33a482⋯.png (188.49 KB,786x1017,262:339,would_you_a_general_grievo….png)

File: 25d801addfafad5⋯.png (401.82 KB,680x552,85:69,sith school girls.png)

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 No.7635

File: ee306f293961f87⋯.png (70.61 KB,369x938,369:938,grieve_tan__bathing_suit_b….png)

File: 5b3f94ceeb77d5c⋯.png (80.38 KB,894x894,1:1,grieve_tan_revengeance_by_….png)

File: 4b0d763e174ca08⋯.png (215.09 KB,690x894,115:149,grievous tan playboy bunny.png)

He's got one page done so far but I can post more Grievous tan pics.

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 No.7637

File: 7f65fdf80c6ce7c⋯.jpeg (62.93 KB,576x613,576:613,grieve-tan-5913c0211a2d8.jpeg)

>>7618

>>7620

>tfw /sw/ revives a long dead meme and makes it part of its -tan harem

Feels supah good

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 No.7641

File: c721716d7823504⋯.jpg (214.81 KB,1024x768,4:3,grievous tan 8.jpg)

File: 609ddfe8009cd79⋯.png (223.86 KB,900x692,225:173,grievous tan 9.png)

File: b9b7264f1eb0ff5⋯.gif (191.54 KB,300x200,3:2,grievous tan 10.gif)

File: f33f2199cbc9c81⋯.jpg (71.22 KB,300x200,3:2,grievous tan 11.jpg)

File: 97bfb5ac7b28289⋯.png (7.93 KB,250x316,125:158,grievous tan 12.png)

Here's some more then guys.

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 No.26634

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 No.32487

>>7489

implying that isn't cannon

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 No.32693

>>1946

>could have

He still is. The Clone Wars is just Republic propaganda, whilst Genndy wars is Separatist.

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 No.32738

>>7054

If that's your goal, better start sucking to kathleen now Clanker…

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 No.32830

File: ba40724bc77611d⋯.png (433.08 KB,354x560,177:280,gg vs k.png)

File: cde0ab5f8b4340e⋯.png (209.67 KB,341x247,341:247,four lightsabers.png)

File: 838406bc824bdd5⋯.jpg (63.61 KB,800x450,16:9,buenos dias.jpg)

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 No.33036

>>1946

OG grievous is majorly based.

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 No.33048

Remember that after his death he became a deity for his people.

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 No.33052

>>33048

A worthy ascension before Filoni's Clone Wars turned him into 80s cartoon Shredder. Then again, Grievous suddenly became a badass again in the cancelled Clone Wars season, so maybe they were actually going to restore him to his former glory… maybe.

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 No.33148

File: cd58a91e52bc4fb⋯.png (404.8 KB,431x608,431:608,kB5aMAj.png)

I love movie grievous

>YOU FOOL

A good, CONVENIENT explanation for the TCW2008 grievous "wanting to upgrade himself to be deadlier etc" is that they're fake thoughts implanted into him to keep him placated. (In the EU he was initially pissed off at his cyborg body)

Remember that brain chip he has? His handlers were probably able to make small changes/adjustments to him as needed.

So basically none of the Grievous backstories override each other. He's a great character. No point worrying about a "real grievous". It doesn't matter if he's a master jedi-killing machine or a coughing retard; the real grievous was the friends we made along the way.

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 No.33150

>>33148

>Defending the bastardisation of Grievous

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 No.33151

>>33150

It's not a bastardisation, it's just another side of grievous's amazing, deep personality that we hadn't seen before. I love campy grievous.

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 No.33153

>>33148

>memories altered

harsh

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 No.33159

>I like him having four arms, though. That was a cool addition.

Eh? Didn't Grievous always have four arms?

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 No.33166

>>33159

Afaik, yes? Prove me wrong, anons.

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 No.33167

>>33159

Only time he didn't have four arms was during his first Genndy appearance, but in his second appearance he showed he had four. Other than that, he's always had four arms.

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 No.34686

>>33151

>It's not a bastardisation

It is. And its an abomination, just like the disgusting anime faggotry above and should be purged.

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 No.34693

I've noticed the trend that Disney wants to enforce an idea: evil is always bloodthirsty without reason. Be it Kylo Ren, Snoke, Hux, Tarkin, Vader, Grievous - they all lack reasons for their actions.

In fact, they're just bullies in places of power. Power, power, power…

Same goes for the 'good' guys, though. Jake, Rey, FN-2187, Poe, Leia…

It's like everybody is just a depressed loser with a javascript doing decisions.

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 No.34707

>>34693

to be fair this is something george started, with the black & white perspective. he then said that shit like greed and corruption were the reasons behind it to fill the void, but it was never fully explored until the EU came along.

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