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No.17388 [Last50 Posts]
Given the massive contradictions between the CGI Clone Wars movie and television show with the the rest of pre-disney Star Wars canon, is there any hope of reconciling that? What would you do if you ended up with the rights to the franchise, and had to resolve those differences between these parts of the EU without axing TCW? all Disney canon excluded obviously
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No.17390
>>17388
Its kinda hard considering TCW's treatment of the mandalorians and rattataki and the whole datjomir shit
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No.17391
>>17390
Maybe you could rewrite the TCW episodes that conflict with EU sources and release them as novels covering the major story arcs of the show?
I'd retcon the the pacifist Mandalorians as being some unwanted faction created and propped up by the Republic and used to control the planet- but then you'd have to explain why they weren't mentioned any other sources. That, or it's some other planet that decided to take the same name for idiotic reasons.
I've got no idea how to deal with the nightsister stuff though.
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No.17392
>>17390
>rattataki and the whole datjomir shit
rattataki and dathomiri are easy and don't break anything. Just look into it and figure it out. Don't play dumb. The siniteen thing is stupid but it doesn't destroy anything. Ventress and Maul remain unscathed even with their tcw origin retcons.
>mandalorians
ez pz. There are two capitals on mandalore. One in the desert (sundari) aka the the clone wars peace faction.. and the other one is Keldabe aka the repcom version (located somewhere else on the planet ).
It's true though, TCW doesn't fit 100% without heavy suspension of disbelief. It what it is, it's Filonis fault and at this point not worth worrying about too much tbh. At one point or another, you will have to temporarily turn your brain off and accept that things don't completely line up. My honest opinions though: I like how packed the clone wars timeline is. You have TWO entire multimedia projects dedicated for one event.
If you demand absolutely flawless airtight continuity, you can just pretend the entire series is an in-universe holodrama.
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No.17393
>>17392
>ez pz. There are two capitals on mandalore. One in the desert (sundari) aka the the clone wars peace faction.. and the other one is Keldabe aka the repcom version (located somewhere else on the planet ).
You have to wonder why the other Mandalorians don't get pissed off at the pacifists sullting their culture and declare war long ago though. It's kind of suspicious that a pacifist faction could survive long on a planet full of violent warrors you know. You might want to watch at least some of the video in the OP, the show heavily contradicts 90% of the original multimedia project- only one or two of the novels and comics end up being left standing.
It's a shame because TCW was good, and could have been even better had Filoni made any effort to keep with continuity like the rest of the EU writers had to.
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No.17396
>>17393
Okay I admit, trying to make sense of it all is a pointless excercise. It's not even just about Mandalore, but a whole bunch of stuff as you're well aware. I already skimmed through the video a bit and he seems to bring up all the familiar arguments I've seen on other forums. I don't recommend anyone researching this, you'll just get mad. Just turn your brain off and come up with a superficial timeline of events. You know how I fit my TCW comics between the dark horse Republic comics? I literally just go by whatever armor the clone troopers are wearing (phase 1 or phase 2) or I look at Anakin or Obi-wans hairstyle/hair length. When you're literally trying to fit a round peg into a square hole, it's not worth making sense out of it without giving something up. Being someone that likes both TCW and the clone wars EU, I absolutely cannot let go of any material from either project. Except the brain implant chips, I can easily do without those even if the episodes themselves were fun.
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No.17403
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No.17407
>>17403
yeah ok some differences, some superficial similarities. If tcw didn't bring up the nightsister stuff so often, you would be able to swap one backstory with the other and it wouldn't make or break the character.
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No.17415
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>>17396
I know "Rome in space" was always its intention, but man, I really want to see Rome in Space now.
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No.17434
I thought the Mandalorian retcon was done as an indirect way to get Karen Traviss to quit instead of firing her due to rewriting Star Wars. She kept forcing Mandos to the point where she was dismantling everything else for it to work. Traviss always bitched about how the Jedi were Nazis and couldn't watch the original trilogy because of it. They didn't want to fire her because she was the Kennedy of the EU and feared discrimination blowback, so they used a roundabout way to cut her out.
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No.17453
>>17396
>Being someone that likes both TCW and the clone wars EU, I absolutely cannot let go of any material from either project.
I feel the same way, TCW was a great show, but the continuity errors get on my nerves. I'd say EU stuff should take precedence and and TCW should be rewritten to fix contradiction with it. Publish the true TCW as novels or something.
>>17434
> Traviss always bitched about how the Jedi were Nazis and couldn't watch the original trilogy because of it
Really? I thought she just made some suggestions that the Jedi weren't entirely perfect in the Clone Wars novelization or something.
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No.17460
>>17453
Yeah, she considers the Jedi ubermensch and thinks they're evil Nazis. It was on her own website a few years ago and it was a glimpse into how warped her viewpoints were about Star Wars. Traviss has a habit of taking over shared fictional universes, trashing factions that have any kind of special powers granted by god or science, then forces her faction of noble savage warriors to be the main attraction. It got to the point where she was sabotaging multiple author series with her mandalorians that the old storygroup had enough and used George canon to effectively erase most of her work with CW 2008. She ragequit midway through an imperial commando novel. One novel writer later joked about how the next novel series would have writers that "didn't like Boba Fett so much".
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No.17461
>>17434
They would have just fired her if they wanted to. Check her blog post, she explains everything over there in detail.
http://www.karentraviss.com/page/index.html
she also explains the planned ending for repcom/impcom
>because she was the Kennedy of the EU
Not really a fair comparison. For a while, Traviss was almost a mini celebrity in the EU-world and actually had fans that kept begging for her to come back and to finish the series. Meanwhile, no one except verified twitter users would be angry if Kathleen suddenly quit.
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No.17464
>>17461
>no genetic coding was used to implant obedience to this order
HMMMMM
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No.17467
>>17464
It was written in 2005
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No.17468
>>17467
I'm aware. I am emphasizing that this is far and away better than the newer explanation.
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No.17469
>>17468
Right, I agree as well.
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No.17471
<*wah* why does no one like my cis-male patriarchal fanfiction anymore!?!
oh sweetie, you're never getting laid… 😏
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No.17472
>>17471
it's
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time
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for
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the
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patriarchy
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to
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end
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No.17473
>>17471
>banking clan
shoo Muun, don't you have credits to count?
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No.17474
>>17464
>>17467
>believing an intelligence agent
>believing a cloned intelligence agent
good goy
and does anyone have a higher res version?
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No.17475
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No.17477
>>17474
What am I looking at anyway, doubledubsman?
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No.17482
>>17477
My best guess is a continuity flowchart for EU novels, holydubsman.
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No.17484
>>17471
With Muuns you lose
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No.17491
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No.17493
>>17491
The level of autism is admirable.
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No.17512
>>17491
I don't quite get it. A lot of these connections make obvious sense, but what does the Old Republic mmo have to do with the 2003 clone wars micro series?
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No.17520
>>17512
The stuff on the bottom references the Clone Wars mutimedia project, the stuff on the top is what the multimedia project itself references/ties into.
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No.17531
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No.17681
So, what is better: Filoni's new mandalorians, or the original mandalorians?
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No.17682
>>17681
I'd say original Mandalorians, as the new ones are just boring pacifists you've seen a million times before. A society of space warriors that's continued since past the death of it's founder species and is constantly a thorn in the side of the galactic powers is something far more interesting.
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No.17684
>>17682
That Chuck guy somehow disagrees, but who cares about the opinions of a Star Trek E-Cleb
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No.17690
>>17681
I want to believe both can exist haha (and in my world they do).. but I probably–no–easily, prefer the pre-tcw mandos. Still, I think there's something fucking wild about the idea of Darth Maul getting mixed up in mando business. I wish the we would have gotten a chance to better integrate the pacifist mandos with eu shit. That would have been a fun job for Luceno.
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No.17708
>>17681
I half-like/half-dislike the originals.
On the one hand I like their armor and I like how fleshed out they are, on the other hand I don't like how people keep trying to make them relevant after Malachor, like in TOR. I very much like the idea that Malachor V was the great turning point in their history that broke their momentum, despite the efforts of Canderous, and made them turn to isolationism.
Everyone also tries to make their own OC Donut Steel Boba Fett armor clones as well
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No.17712
>>17708
It does make sense for them to be relevant in the prequel era to legacy era however. Given the Jango and other Mandalorians being responsible for training the clone army. Even though they got buttfucked by their civil war, the ARCs going rogue and Boba Fett really kickstarted the Mandalorian culture again.
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No.17716
>>17712
I don't think the prequel era was all that big for them. While Jango was himself a Mandalorian, and the clones adopted Mandalorian tradition and customs, they also had a very limited legacy due to their accelerated aging and that most of them were forever tied to the Empire, the only thing they really left behind when all was said and done was the destruction of the old Jedi order, and the battle scars from the Clone Wars. I'd argue that Boba Fett's acceptance to become Mandalore later down the line did a lot more for Mandalore than the clones did.
I think my main issue comes from TOR, only after 300 years after Malachor we see the Mandalorians once again assisting the Sith as they did before, even though it contradicts Kreia's prediction that Mandalore was broken. At least for the the foreseeable future for her time.
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No.19099
Apparently, the real reason the new mandos existed was because Travis called Lucas a Facist, and he got pissy.
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No.19108
>>19099
>because Travis called Lucas a Facist, and he got pissy
hhhahahahahahaha yeah fucking right
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No.19148
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>>17388
Part one.
I enjoy TCW but it shouldn't be canon.
>>17716
I thought Jango wasn't Mandalorian, but raised by Mandalorians? Also, why would you take anything from TORtanic seriously?
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No.19153
>>17388
>>19148
I like this guy. I hadn't bothered watching TCW, and was kinda on the fence about it, but after seeing this, I am firmly in the Fuck Dave Filoni camp.
Gonna DL the original Clone Wars Genndy series now, and relive the good times.
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No.19175
Am I the only one that actually enjoyed the series?
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No.19176
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No.19177
>>19148
I'm pretty sure beimg raised by them and following their traditions makes him one. Besides, Mando isn't a species and Jango was apparently the Mandalore before he lost his head.
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No.19190
Clone wars tellings:
Top tier
>Novelizations
>Dark Horse Comics
>Video Games
Mid Tier:
>Animated Show
Low Tier:
>Attack of the Clones
Shit tier:
>Anything else
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No.19196
>>19175
I enjoyed some parts of it. It's better than Disney Wars at least, but that isn't saying very much.
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No.19205
>>17388
I never cared for the fact that Mandalorians could be multi-species, it felt… icky. I always thought that non-natives could, but that it didn't happen that often.
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No.19206
>>19175
>>19176
No, and you don't need to be an Ahsokafag to enjoy it.
Now, the real question should be "Am I the only one that considers it canon?" In which case, you better not consider it canon.
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No.19207
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No.19208
>>19177
>Besides, Mando isn't a species
I wish they were though.
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No.19235
>>19205
It honestly should've been made up of mando-native humans and near-humans with mando blood only.
>>19208
This. Although technically the Taung were the original Mandalorian species which the human mandos learned from. Should've mandos Taung descendants like the Sith Empire are Sith Pureblood descendants.
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No.19239
>>19208
>>19205
>>19235
>I'm a racist manchild and need my sci-fi to accommodate my backwards feelings.
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No.19245
>>19208
>>19235
I dunno, the concept was interesting enough- being that you don't really see it often. Anyway the fact is, they'll still wreck your shit.
>>19239
>being this blatant of a shitposter
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No.19249
anyone can be Mandalorian, as long as they assimilate to the culture and live up to the standards.
>>19235
>It honestly should've been made up of mando-native humans and near-humans with mando blood only.
not exclusively, but that should be the dominant demographic.
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No.19253
>>19249
It was always going to be mostly human just because of the ubiquity of humans in the Galaxy. Just like the Sith Empire had to tone down its racism against humans precisely because after a few centuries their population consisted of many more human subjects than red-skinned "purebloods" and because BioWare expected most players to want to roll humans
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No.19262
>>19253
that's true. my point is that Mandalorian culture is not based on territory or descent. it's a meritocracy and a way of life open to any worthy individual. while I'd expect the majority to have blood/soil ties, there would be a significant minority without.
with that said, given the current climate, I have to emphasize that Mandalorians are not inclusive. you must learn the language, assimilate, and live up to the code. it is not for cosplayers or people who switch identities and genders every 2 weeks.
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No.19264
>>19253
>and because BioWare expected most players to want to roll humans
more like they locked almost everything but humans behind a paywall
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No.19329
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No.19330
>>19329
What else is there?
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No.19331
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No.19336
>>19331
But anon I don't have friends to tabletop with anymore and I'm too primitive to know how to do tabletop online
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No.19349
>>19336
Even when you get to bring friends it's hard to get the flight plan approved. Roleplaying games are a big hassle, for everyone.
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No.19350
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No.19352
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