No.13475 [View All]
Post interesting things for which you wouldn't make a separate thread.
This thread is a superset of >>13193 meant to be more easy to notice.
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No.14011
>>14006
Not particularly.
Standard status quo democratic centrism says everybody's opinion should count equally. Anarcho-communism and friends really don't like hierarchies, so even if what they want is oppression by your standards then you'll be oppressed by the collective, not an elite. And so on. I do think they have at least a little of that idea, but not a lot.
But an impression I get from many libertarians is that they fantasize about the most capable people being able to amass wealth and use their superior decision-making to improve society, with the cream rising to the top and gaining power.
And sure, that may not involve coercion-as-defined-by-libertarians, but it doesn't particularly less fit the described pattern than most non-libertarian ideologies. The bottom line is that society is improved because the elite can flourish.
Pretty much all ideologies have an element of "wouldn't things be better if the rules were made by well-thinking people". That's how all memetically fit ideologies work. Libertarianism isn't exempt.
Some ideologies do have more of it than others, of course. It's a combination of authoritarianism and hierarchies. Libertarianism might not be authoritarian, but it's hierarchical, so it has it somewhat but not maximally.
Then the specific version described in the post is authoritarianism + hierarchies + IQ, which sounds NRxish.
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No.14013
>>13979
SMBC has gotten progressively softer. It used to have more edge.
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No.14014
Laying it on a bit thick today
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No.14023
>>14014
I wanna see the first three panels edited with a waifu-of-the-month, that'd get good traction on /r/animemes.
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No.14026
>>14014
This is an unironically good and desirable outcome, debate me
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No.14027
Taxposting is a relatively obscure meme, largely confined to 4chan's /tv/ board. Some examples are presented here, for your amusement.
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No.14048
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No.14051
>>13566
>>13568
I guess you're right, but still, I'm curious exactly what happened that finally made Hanson see that his sex drive was out of control.
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No.14053
>>14051
It was when he realized he couldn't shut up about slavery.
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No.14054
A grey-tribe effective altruist polyamorous MIRI researcher and Harry Potter fanfiction author was teaching a class on Scott Alexander, a known rationalist.
”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Scott and accept that he is the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Mencius Moldbug!”
At this moment, a brave, HBD-proponent (r)accelerationist who had read more than 1500 Nick Land screeds and fully supported all economic decisions made by the emergent inhuman technocapitalistic godhead stood up and held up an efficient market economy.
”Who does this market serve, pinhead?”
The arrogant professor smirked (((in a high IQ fashion))) and smugly replied “The free market is the most efficient tool ever created to allocate resources, and thus it serves mankind!”
”Wrong. It serves Lord Gnon (who always has been and always will be) and enforces only his blind idiot will on the universe."
The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Rationality: From AI to Zombies. He stormed out of the room crying those rationalist crocodile tears. The same tears Peter Singer cries for the “suffering” (who today live in such luxury that most survive their first bout of malaria) when they jealously try to claw justly earned wealth from their biologically superior Western betters. There is no doubt that at this point our professor wished he had abandoned his Christian-apologetic "ethics" and become more than a sophist freeloading cult leader. He wished so much that he had a basilisk to memetically coerce the student into unending servitude, but he himself had petitioned against them!
The students applauded and all pledged money to James Damore's Hatreon that day and accepted Gnon as their lord and savior. "Fanged Noumena" was read several times, and Moloch himself showed up and showered the lecture hall in oil and stone.
The researcher lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of nootropic overdose and copies of his mind-state were tortured by omnipotent, omnibenevolent machine intelligences for all eternity.
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No.14055
>>14054
Not too bad over all, but the author seems to lack familiarity with the subject matter. Some shibboleths are missing or misused, marking her as part of the outgroup.
>(r)accelerationist
Replace () with /.
>more than 1500 Nick Land screeds
Not tweets?
>omnibenevolent
Disgusting.
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No.14058
>>14054
>grey-tribe
Moar liek gey tribe, LMAO
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No.14059
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No.14076
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No.14078
Singletons vs Societies
1. Any society inevitably has internal strife which causes both improvement of its members over time through evolution and cultural transmission & harm through mutual deception, pro-social lies and signalling.
2. A single-entity civilization (aka a Singleton) does not suffer from society-induced issues. However it suffers from isolation and may suffer from memetic ossification.
It is hard to say which model is more suited to the cruel universe in the long run.
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No.14085
it's funny to see tumblr lingo and full-communists on boards with the most violent, gruesome and inegalitarian porn.
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No.14107
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No.14141
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No.14146
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No.14158
>>14078
>more suited
Subjective and arbitrary value judgement.
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No.14159
>>14158
Is it? I interpreted it in a sense like evolutionary fitness.
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No.14165
>>14159
Then are singletons or societies more evolutionarily fit for a cruel universe?
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No.14166
>>14165
I would guess singletons could simulate societies to get their benefits, making them strictly superior.
But possibly real societies are more likely to have beneficial value drift than a singleton carefully controlling a simulated society (depending on the original value system). Or societies are more fit, but exploring to find out if they are is too costly to have a positive prior expected value for a singleton. Or the overhead of the singleton makes simulations underperform compared to the real thing.
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No.14258
Why can't I post threads?
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No.14261
>>14258
you can. They just won't show until somebody makes a comment in an existing thread, which somehow "refreshes" the board and allows your thread to be seen.
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No.14275
Hover text: "Patiently awaiting Eliezer Yudkowsky's admonitions."
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No.14293
looks like someone got rightfully banned from the ssc discord lol
https://archiveofsins.com/lgbt/thread/12752498/#12756741
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No.14294
>>14293
I've never been to the SSC discord, but pathological charitability does sound like a plausible problem.
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No.14295
The website sponsoring the front page of 8chan right now has a pedophile podcast on the front page. I didn't realize pedophile podcasts existed.
https://www.freespeechtube.org/v/104x
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No.14296
>>14295
>Pedologues #1-7
>Protecting Minor Attracted Children MACs Against the Rest of the World
>Children as Property
>International BoyLove Day 2018
>How to make Friends with a Pedomisiac
I only visited the frontpage and looked up an abbreviation but I'm probably on a watchlist now.
I guess this is just what happens when you start a platform with a hardline free speech stance. Unless you're AO3.
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No.14301
>>14294
>I've never been to the SSC discord, but pathological charitability does sound like a plausible problem.
In their defence, they did ban that 4chin anon, so even if they are excessively charitable, there's at least a limit to said charitability.
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No.14302
>>14301
The post said
>no argument should ever be taken in bad faith (unless you're arguing that an argument should be taken in bad faith)
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No.14312
>>14301
>In their defence, they did ban that 4chin anon
What had he done? Unless I'm missing some context his posts seemed to deliberately skirt around spelling out his actual ban reasons.
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No.14318
https://twitter.com/TestosteroneCiv analyses societal trends from a scientific, quantitative perspective.
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No.14319
>>14318
Reblog if the force-femmed boy on the right is just as beautiful as the bear on the left.
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No.14358
How To: Epistemic Competence
>You are 'taught' how to think critically in exactly the same way you are 'taught' to have a 200+ bench press. You can teach the training process, but the actual training is done to the self.
https://alrenous.blogspot.com/2019/06/how-to-epistemic-competence.html
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No.14442
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No.14443
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No.14444
>>14318
Didn't know people were taller in 1940s
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No.14445
>>14442
Weird, I thought he would be listening to anime OSTs at x2 speed
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No.14581
Let's revive this thread. Share the interesting things you found while /ratanon/ hibernated.
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No.14582
>>13475
Jaron Lanier wrote this article about philosophical zombies.
http://www.jaronlanier.com/zombie.html
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No.14583
>>13475
I found this article that Scott wrote about how the feminist blogosphere has an abnormally high amount of bad statistics.
https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/02/17/lies-damned-lies-and-social-media-part-5-of-%E2%88%9E/
>I have been debunking bad statistics for a long time. In medicine, in psychology, in politics. Click on the “statistics” tag of this blog if you don’t believe me. Yet the feminist blogosphere is the only place where I consistently see things atrociously wrong get reblogged by thousands of usually very smart people without anyone ever bothering to think critically about them. Like, thirty five thousand feminists – including some who self-identify as rationalists! – saw an article that literally said a guy was more likely to get hit by a comet than get falsely accused of rape, and said “Yeah, sure, that sounds plausible”.
>So please permit me to keep griping just one moment longer. Be extraordinarily paranoid when dealing with the feminist blogosphere. This may be true of all highly charged political blogospheres, but it is certainly true of feminism. If you go in there with an innocent attitude of “Here is a number, I assume it is generally correct and means what it says it means”, you will get super-burned
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No.14584
>>13485
Right:
>soyboy
>numale
>bugman
>simp
>beta
>>13522
You forgot -fag as a suffix
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No.14585
>>14583
I'm not sure that's the right conclusion to draw, given that by "the feminist blogosphere" he means "Tumblr".
Tumblr's structure encourages this sort of thing. Even more so in 2014 than now, Tumblr posts aren't centralized. People pass reply chains around but there's no global state of the post visible. If you post a correction it'll only be seen by people who follow people who reblog a chain that contains that correction. This is very different from Twitter or Reddit or even imageboards, where things have a way of rising to attention.
Tumblr has lots of feminists, but I've seen dumb posts of all political stripes be passed around uncritically way too far.
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No.14586
>>14585
I should add:
- The number of notes is the sum for all copies of the chain. 10,000 of the reblogs and likes could be for a chain with a correction at the end and it would be hard to tell.
- You have almost zero control over your own post after it's reblogged. If you edit it, the edits won't show up in existing reblog chains, besides the one on your own blog with that post at the end. If you delete it, it'll just remove it from your own blog without altering the reblog chains.
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No.14587
>>14582
This seems insightful, but I can't quite grasp his explanation of consciousness on my first read through.
>Consciousness is the choice of which abstractions we experience. [footnote:] I'm not suggesting a "free-will" or conscious kind of choice. It is rather an implicit choice that has been made in the act of perception.
Who's the chooser? God? It doesn't seem to be an individual human, as I can't choose the level of abstraction I experience. Is there a cosmological constant of mind in play here? His use of the passive voice kills me.
Okay, just noticed footnote 29:
>Zombies will probably ask whether there is one dial per person, or one for the universe. I would reply that dials exist in "epistemological space" not physical space, so that question is not sensible.
wtf I'm a zombie now and this still makes no sense. I was not imagining a physical dial in the first place. Why is it on a particular setting for me, and what agent chose the setting such that it's a "choice"? Is it actually on all settings simultaneously, but only one setting is the level of experience? This is what makes me think I'm missing a large part of the argument.
Also, isn't this an example of the hated epiphenomenalism? Mental events don't have any causal effect on the physical world in this model, so there could be actual zombies talking about their ineffable inner lives which don't exist because "the dial" is on a the wrong setting, but their neurons have evolved to imitate zagnet speech on the concept in order to blend in. Does the author actually believe some people are zombies?
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No.14589
>>14585
>>14586
Strangely, this makes Tumblr's posting models more neocameral than that of other major social websites.
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No.14590
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
This is what I want our malicious AI overlords to sound like.
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No.14600
>>14590
This is what I want our malicious AI overlords to sound like.
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