No.10917
I'm the guy that made this thread a while ago. >>10636
I couldn't stand Moldbug or Land, I finished up all the radish posts from "Where should I start" section ( thanks to who recommended me that ) and I just read the last page from this book.
This is my log of things I want to read:
+ Julian Jaynes - The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind
+ Douglas Hofstadter - Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid
+ Eric Berne - Games People Play
+ Marcus Aurelius - Mediations
+ Wildbow - Worm
Anything I should add here ?
Should I add for Cioran's On the Heights of Despair ?
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No.10924
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No.10925
>>10924
I also can't get into this. I can tolerate post-rat like ribbonfarm or melting asphalt but some of this just goes over my fucking head, like that table from the first post you linked. Like nigga what the fuck.
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No.10928
>>10917
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No.10929
>>10925
>ribbonfarm
I'd call that site at most postrat-adjecent, if there can be such a thing, but Venkatesh Rao's top recommendations (https://www.ribbonfarm.com/now-reading/) are well worth reading.
What do you think of Ligotti's book?
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No.10930
>>10925
What's wrong with that table? Is it too hard to understand or too cringy?
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No.10932
>>10929
I found it a really entertaining read. I had to put myself in a mindset I haven't had for a while, depressed thoughts never had the same taste after I discovered SSC and lesswrong.
I didn't keep quotes but I found one or two passages unsettling and some outright edgy in a good sense like the one where he describes the evolutionary process through his lenses.
The parts which make refference to the lovecraftian gods and the lovecraftian type cosmic nihilism reminded me of the various so called "gods" which spawed from rationality related posts (moloch, ra, etc).
The book as a whole can easely be viewed as an argument against cryonics and various life prolonging efforts.
Overall I'm unconvinced of the initial thesis, that of Zapffe ( https://philosophynow.org/issues/45/The_Last_Messiah ) since I remember enjoyng entertainment before I became aware that organisms die. This might be one of those philosophical "ha you were already aware of that it just dawned on you, how can you say for sure since you were just a kid".
The book never actually defines consciousness. It left me with the gut feeling that the notion of consciousness emplyed in the book and the one I have are different things.
Btw, that link is great. Thank you. Just what I needed.
>>10930
I don't know if I have to right to say it's cringy since I don't hold myself in high regard when it comes to philosophy and it's not that I don't understand. I have problems extracting useful information from his writings.
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No.10954
>>10917
>This is my log of things I want to read:
>Wildbow - Worm
Hell yeah! Who's hyped for Worm Two?
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No.10955
>>10954
has it been confirmed or are people just speculating ?
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No.10958
>>10954
>Worm Two
Any recs to read while waiting for it? How are Fine Structure and Ra?
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No.10959
Speaking of worm does anyone have a pdf version ?
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No.10960
>>10959
I made something horrible by scraping the HTML and running it through Calibre.
I haven't actually read it yet, so there might be embarassing mistakes in the conversion.
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No.10961
>>10960
This is great anon. Thanks.
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No.10962
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No.10978
>>10962
I enjoyed the first glowworm bit more than the second. I'd like to see more regular human perspectives in Worm 2 than what Worm had.
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No.10983
nigga how the fuck is a teenage girl with superpowers, who exercises regularly and takes down literally indestructible china man, having problems with bullying ?
it's like she's two different characters.
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No.10991
>>10983
>What is a character arc
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No.10992
>>10991
It's obvious you don't work out or practice any kind of sport.
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No.11068
>>10917
Recommend skipping Games People Play. You can roughly understand the book's thesis (and transactional analysis generally) as part Freud, part Hansonian "X is not about Y", and part "people frequently have self-sabotaging habits with ego-syntonic results".
From the Wikipedia summary:
> The second half of the book catalogues a series of "mind games" in which people interact through a patterned and predictable series of "transactions" which are superficially plausible (that is, they may appear normal to bystanders or even to the people involved), but which actually conceal motivations, include private significance to the parties involved, and lead to a well-defined predictable outcome, usually counterproductive. … In reality, the "winner" of a mind game is the person that returns to the Adult ego-state first.
IMO, if you're happy with the gist, it's not really worth reading the book for the examples. They take up most of the book and are the least convincing part, after the Freud.
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No.11074
>>11068
I see. Well I didn't read Freud and I generally drop things if I don't get my payload in terms of knowledge/perspective fast. I know I will be judged for this but that's how it is. Thanks for the info.
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