ab65a7 No.17609
So it finally came out after 15 years of anticipation; the A90 Supra. As the dust on its unveiling begins to settle, what is /o/'s honest opinion about it?
Personally I'm not as critical about it as most seem to be, other than the fact it does seem a little underscale and underpowered. There is still the possibility they give us a 450 BHP RZ version if it stays in production that long, but I would have preferred something that stayed more true to the FT-1 if I'm being honest.
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3b7f81 No.17610
I don't know how it drives so, so far, the only thing I can talk about is the design.
I find the front end disgusting, the front lights are horrible and the "formula 1" bumper is ugly and has bad proportions.
The rear end is better, but I wonder what's the point of that long rear window since you can't see the end of it because of that small spoiler lip. The C pillar is way too big too imo.
Other than this, I find the design to be overdone. And in contrast, the interior is way too tame. It looks like a business model without the leather and the perceived quality. It looks boring inside, like a Camaro or a Challenger, which is sad.
For the engine and platform, I couldn't care less if it's a Z4 clone or not. I mean I could now choose between the Z4 or the Supra, one is convertible and luxurious, the other one is a sporty coupe. The thing is that I don't see why I'd buy the Supra since I believe it looks worse than its BMW counterpart.
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a703db No.17611
>automatic only
No thanks.
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566780 No.17615
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17de1a No.17622
Too ugly, small and expensive tbh fam
Why can't we tone down the utter visual cancer that is this pretentious design movement of making cars look like they were barely changed from their concepts?
The whole exterior looks so… busy.
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31ae39 No.17626
I don't like it at all. I think it's ugly. The BRZ/GT86 is a better looking sports car.
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0c2865 No.17668
The side view looks decent but the front and rear are terrible. The pedestrian safety regs ruined the front and the visual design cancer of modern cars that >>17622 was talking about ruined the rear. Literally 8 changes of line lol.
For the interior they really couldn't figure that they needed a 'driver oriented' cockpit that made the A80 such a special place to be? It's like they didn't even try to make it special.
The engine is the usual 'slap an uninspired plastic piece off a lexus that the owners of never look at' job. Doesnt belong on a sports car.
At least the wheels aren't bad i guess…
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a117c0 No.17685
I don't like that new "spaceship" design trend at all.
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31ae39 No.17702
>>17685
They're trying to hard to make it look like it's from the "future"
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898f3f No.17704
Yeaaah, no.
On a poster in a teenager's bedroom, that design wouldn't be out of place…
I suppose the only reason to drive one would be that you can't see the exterior.
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01877c No.17721
I see two distinct possibilities here. This was either a passion project by one of Toyota's old guard that got run through the meat grinder of CY+4 trends and specifications resulting in the half-baked abortion before us, or it was hastily and carelessly thrown together by a committee of (((higher-ups))) looking to make a quick cash grab on the Supra name. Either one is equally and deeply depressing on a visceral level. At least they got rid of that cancerous "H-pattern automatic" that was in the concept car.
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af7542 No.17732
>>17610
You can't even make that distinction between the two. The Supra is softer, more cushy, and flat out slower. BMW must have Toyota by the balls, or Toyota has complete retards in their team.
I'm getting used to seeing everything I have ever loved from yesteryear being raped and set aflame in front of my eyes in the name of CY. The A90 Supra is the perfect car for us to visualize the future of automobiles.
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3b7f81 No.17744
>>17732
do you have numbers for that? Don't forget that small engines can be real quick right now, see the Cayman and Alpine. I'd really like a thorough and honest comparison between the two cars
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777371 No.17749
>>17609
I've been saying the new supra would just be a spinoff of the gt86, just like the supra was a spinoff of the celica.
Take a gt86. Widen the track by maybe 4 inches. Use higher end suspension components and have high end brakes standard. Maybe lengthen the wheelbase by a couple inches, lengthen the hood as well to possibly accommodate a larger engine. Literally just drop in any engine that makes good power. I don't know about toyota engines but probably they could offer an i6 option and an i4 with maybe a turbo option as well on both or something like that. Change out the front as rear fascia to be a little more aggressive than the 86, alter the headlights and taillights a little bit, flare the fenders a little, make the interior a cut above the 86. Have a LSD standard and offer a 6 speed or an automatic. Also put on a wing lol
By using the 86 they'd be able to save money. They could parts bin a lot of it and save on retooling costs. There was no need to develop a new engine IMO. It would be an alternative to people who gripe about the 86 being slow, here's a better faster version. They could capitalize on both the dagumi and FF fanboys as well as the 86s already established fan base
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0a0be0 No.17753
>>17609
>Toyota picks BMW engine to drop in
Looks like they don't want supra owners to have these cars for longer than 3 expensive years where this thing will spend more time in the shop than it will on the road. BMW and long term durability/reliability aren't a thing. You buy a BMW full well knowing you're leasing the fucker so that you can get the newest Stepford wife approved model 2 years after you get handed the keys to the one currently in your driveway. NOT because you're going to be keeping this car.
TL;DR: Toyota picked literally the worst engine option instead of bringing back it's admittedly good straight six.
>No manual option
Unpopular opinion time. In the big picture a row your own gears transmission adds cost (need to do two sets of certification tests for some shit) for measurably worse performance in all areas. Take rates for manuals in general are getting closer and closer to zero. Yes there's the odd spike every now and again, but that's because some people with older manual cars get new cars with manuals. The overall trend is still going towards zero, with the slight increase in numbers every few years aside. Not to mention it's impossible to make a manual work with autonomous emergency braking without major engineering work … that would turn the manual into a bastardized child of an automatic transmission Autonomous Emergency Braking will be the thing to deliver the death blow to manuals, but that's not part of the thread topic
TL;DR: manual transmission aren't relevant to most people buying it so not including it makes sense. in b4 autism, personally I want to see the supra with three pedals. A good manual is fucking great to own/drive. But this won't be happening at all given who's going to buy the new supra
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84c8e4 No.17754
>>17753
> Autonomous Emergency Braking will be the thing to deliver the death blow to manuals
But every European manufacturer has manual cars with that. It just has to press in the clutch. And after some quick reasearch, you are just projecting your Burgerism. Sure, having one in three new cars sold in Europe in automatic is worrying, but far from anything dangerous. Here BMWs are reliable and why would you buy a Japanese sports car if you know full well that spare parts will be a pain in the ass? Toyota just tries to appeal to European market with "Hey, look, you wil actually be able to get this engine serviced someplace!"
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0a0be0 No.17800
>>17754
Our market is a hell of a lot bigger than all of europe. So what happens here is something that should be paid attention to. BMW makes hot garbage on wheels that sells to stepford wives and executives with more money than brains and no amount of "but they're reliable in europe" will change people's minds.
For that second bit about other carmakers adding it into manuals? Take rates for manuals over here was about 3.5 to 4% of all new vehicles sold … and that was like five years ago(roughly) with no signs of improving. So for our market autonomous emergency braking might actually be the last nail in the coffin for the manual. Why would the average car buyer get a vehicle that is measurably worse in every aspect? Why would a car company want to build something that's going to be insanely costly to build? Sure there might be an outlier but companies don't survive by making cost bloated vehicles with a transmission people aren't going to buy.
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3b7f81 No.17810
>>17800
>our market is bigger than Europe
uh
https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/key-figures
https://www.automobilemag.com/news/u-s-auto-sales-totaled-17-25-million-calendar-2017/
That's 17.25 compared to 15.1 millions passenger cars sold in 2017. That's not "hell of a lot bigger", that's just roughly 15% bigger. So no, the world doesn't revolve around your ass.
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a95fad No.17937
wheres the originality today? at this point i just want Ford to make something new to rival the Viper or whats left of it. Like V12 Mustang-thing with less cartoony Hot Wheels look that the Concept did but with a TVR rear aesthetic. and in terms or performance needs to rival Bugatti and Koenigsegg.
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ab65a7 No.17938
>>17937
>GR1
Funny you should mention that concept. A company called Superformance have licensed the design from Ford, 15 years later no less, and are about to produce some for real.
>inb4 it doesn't actually happen
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d3efd5 No.17943
This car’s production will be DOA in the states. The crowd it caters to can’t afford the damn thing, while there is no reason people who can afford it won’t purchase something better or with more recognition.
I don’t understand what the exec’s were thinking when pitching this
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ab1f83 No.17993
I don't understand the point of this car. Wasn't the original Supra popular because it's not that wild looking and is relatively inexpensive for its performance? Meanwhile this looks like someone explicitly tried to design a mid-life crisis magnet
like, wouldnt the "I want a supra, but my mommy/gf/mommy gf won't let me" want something more like a GT86, and wasn't the GT86 only not as popular as the BRZ because of vapelords preferring the Subaru badge?
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3b7f81 No.17998
>>17993
Yeah, Toyota only tries to appeal to 80 and 90's kid who played Gran Turismo. The thing is, we'd rather have the original.
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a117c0 No.18003
>>17943
I know I won't ever see any of these cars. Where I live, if people can buy a $50,000 car, they get a corvette or a fully loaded truck. The local toyota dealership hasn't even had an 86 on the lot in over a year. But I think these will sell pretty well, for the first couple of years at least. I'll bet that 90% of the first two years of production will end up garaged for life and/or in boomer bubbles, 3rd year, those who wanted one will have already got one and sales will drop. Then they'll bring out the manual option and get a few of the first suckers to trade in for that, get a few new customers, then sales drop off again. I know if I had 50k to spend on a car, I wouldn't be looking at this Supra.
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f1c510 No.18004
Even if this came in a manual, I still wouldn't get it over an 86, because not only is the 86 cheaper, but I'd also much rather deal with Subaru bullshit than BMW bullshit.
Why can't they just make something fun with their 3.5 V6 or something. The Siennas with those go way faster than a minivan has any right to, just tune that and stick it in something that looks cool.
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a117c0 No.18005
>>18004
Why didn't Toyota just do that? If they're departing from what the Supra used to be, I would rather it be a V6 made entirely by Toyota than a rebadged BMW with an inline 6. Hell, if they just threw that 3.5 into a 86 and called it the 2nd gen 86 I would have been a lot more excited than I currently am about this Supra.
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afb90b No.18006
>>17609
Ultimate Turkish Motors with a Japanese makeover
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3209cb No.18078
>>18006
why do we keep on getting bullied about bmw memes ;_;
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18d24a No.18085
>>17609
Isn't this getting made by fags who play Grand Autismo?
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3b7f81 No.18090
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5245a1 No.18091
>>18085
>>17998
I speak for the "90's kids".
We want the fourth gen grand tourer, not an edgy miata.
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866477 No.18098
>>17609
Mixed. Some of the design is nice, some of it not. The specs seem underwhelming but maybe the price is fair or aftermarket options happen to make for easy boost. I expect they will have to add some options based on the reaction. Toyota has terribly under powered cars compared to their competition and are getting passed by because of it.
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136b26 No.18099
>>17609
I dunno… It goes against what the Supra stood for… A cheap but fast sports car
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76cd27 No.18129
>>18099
Not really, no. the A90 is cheaper than the A80. A Targa Turbo in 1994 was 43k, adjusted for inflation that's about 74k today, the Launch edition A90 is going to hit around 55k
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984342 No.18151
>>17754
BMWs are not more reliable in Europe. It’s just that you’re country is way smaller than the US, all of Germany could fit in the state of Arizona, you have reliable public transportation so you don’t lose your job if your car breaks down, and parts and mechanics are plentiful and cheap. I wish Europeans would just STFU about auto reliability because they have no idea what it’s like to live and die by your car like us Americans.
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96eb2a No.18161
If it doesn't use that same engine that could take insane amounts of air pressure then it's worthless
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13b376 No.18167
>>18151
Careful you're so American there's fat dripping out from your post
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a95fad No.18212
>embargoes lifted
>all the youtube shills praise it
the lack of the concept spoiler still pisses me off
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ab65a7 No.18213
>>18212
They said the R35 GTR was "untunable" when it came out. Before 2008 even had the chance to finish, the entire ECU had been reverse-engineered.
There'll be a tuning scene for the A90 Supra, don't you worry about it. And the part manufacturers will be more than happy to oblige us with retro-themed spoilers and other pieces of bodykit. And that's if Toyota don't take the initiative and give us an RZ model first.
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96f8ac No.18230
>>18151
I think the big difference is that your average kraut is going to take better care of his BMW than the negro or neurotic soccer-mom who owns one in the US
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54d6f5 No.18233
>>18230
"How can you say you love your car if you can't even lock yourself in its trunk for 3 days straight?"
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38bce3 No.18452
>>18230
A kraut might take better care of their car than a nog, but that does nothing to address the point that the new supra will need an engine swap at 100,000 km because of how bad the one from the factory becomes. German engines in cars are overcomplicated make work projects for engineers.
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42cd74 No.18472
It's an underpowered, poorly styled abomination against the previous Supra gens, and I barely even like the OG Supras. It's like seeing a piece of my youth be tortured and killed.
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76cd27 No.18490
>>18472
>underpowered
It's massively underrated from the factory and absolutely spanks the Z4 M40i
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atNosTtdUaE
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ed12ce No.18503
>>18490
Also, the top gear Stig lap just came out at 1:23.1, on par with a 997 911 gt3
https://www.motor1.com/news/359824/toyota-supra-top-gear-track/amp/
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d8b467 No.18517
>>18472
>I barely even like OG supras
>MY CHILDHOOD IS BEING KILLED!1!
Save your melodrama for when you go back to Reddit. It doesn't take the old ones away.
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efa778 No.18518
>>18517
But it also makes sure the "new ones" are pretty quick with ticking time bombs under their bonnets.
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76cd27 No.18524
>>18517
OG Supra? Nah, MKI looked like trash. MKII 84-85.5 is true love.
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