No.2252
How is it that they somehow manage to be worse than the /v/ threads?
How is it possible?
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No.2254
You're not saying you visited such cancer?
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No.2263
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No.2266
they have a lot of drawfags
drawfags tend to own tumblr accounts
and apparently a bunch of the anons there are grills
so they would like shit like underfell and sansxtoriel and whatever crap a fujoshit would like
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No.2304
>>2266
>Sans x Toriel
A cancer upon this earth.
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No.2305
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No.2310
>>2266
>women being edgy and bastardizing Sans
Color me surprised, this is why I switched to fictional goats.
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No.2313
>>2263
Looking at the post number, I think it 4chan.
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No.2331
obvious bait
Most of the people there hate soriel / underfell as much as we do.
The thing is about cuckchan is that it's all about the (You)'s, so it's a neverending baiting spree. When it's not, it's usually a shit infested hugbox that lacks any noteworthy game discussion.
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No.2334
>>2331
the grill artists I see seem to like sansxtoriel for some reason so I'm kinda generalizing here
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No.2337
>>2334
Because they need a bone
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No.2338
>>2334
no shit. girls are fucking trash
"hurr durr I'm going to insert my self as a forty year old goat woman because I want to bone a skeleton"
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No.2347
>>2338
>foolish 3dpd whores seeking to self-insert as the single most perfect female ever devised by the human mind
They deserve to be beheaded for this fucking blasphemy, they are pigs, they are beneath humans.
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No.2354
>>2331
>>2337
>>2338
also they are now apparently posting homestuck for some reason
also >tfw the only people who like Asgore are barafags and gayfags
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No.2381
Also most of them unironically hate Toriel so that goes in the fucking trash
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No.2401
>>2381
It's like a test to find out when ignorant faggotry has reached critical mass.
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No.2409
>>2354
Getting back to Toby's roots, mayhap?
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No.2410
>>2381
>hating Toriel
>ever
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No.2415
>>2381
I can understand liking Asgore more, but how the fuck can you hate Toriel?
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No.2422
>>2415
I could understand liking TORIEL more. Asgore is a good guy but a massive pussy.
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No.2423
>>2409
not even talking about the music he did
just pairing the characters from there with undertale characters
>>2415
I'm glad I like both parental goats equally
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No.2424
>>2415
>>2410
their main source of reasoning is that she's a horrible mom and person for letting each child go and get killed by her husband as well as supposedly having a shit plan in breaking the barrier
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No.2426
>>2424
both goats were in a lose/lose situation which could only be solved by the player character
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No.2427
>>2426
toriel is always a win win for me
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No.2429
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No.2435
>>2347
>>2381
>>2415
>Toriel
>good
Psycho goat that was probably planning to betray you, is pissed off that Asgore didn't take a soul and go genocide route on humans to break the barrier, but expects you to be peaceful human person.
She is not sane in the slightest, worst part was when she kept introducing herself to people that were already there
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No.2446
>>2435
>planning to betray you
how exactly
>pissed off that Asgore didn't take a soul and go genocide route on humans to break the barrier
She wanted him to get the souls peacefully from the surface, meaning by natural causes.
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No.2450
>>2435
>pissed off that Asgore didn't take a soul and go genocide route on humans
>not pissed that he was murdering children
This has to be b8.
As for the insane part, have you ever met a decent mom in real life? Imagine that decent mom losing eight children in a row and blaming herself for not doing more to keep them from getting muderalized. Toriel is pretty realistic, like Sans, like Alphys, like Asgore.
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No.2451
>>2435
>probably
But she wasn't
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No.2467
>>2446
>peacefully
>Big fucking Asgore
>going to peacefully go up to someone dying and take their literal souls
>And no one will intervene
That's some type of fantasy, let alone the fact that when they see him they'll lose their shit
>>2450
>murdering children
So I guess murdering other random people is okay, as long as it's not children?
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No.2471
>>2467
She'd still be pissed off about humans but from the beginning she wanted to protect children, then lost the two children they had, making her remember them when she sees other children and more distraught, and then the 6 other children who she let pass through and got killed and harvested by Asgore's goons.
Something like this should be pretty obvious, it's momshit.
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No.2472
>>2471
>kill all the humans
>all of them
>except the children
>they will be mine
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No.2473
>>2472
She coincidentally just happens to also want a child in addition to realizing that seeing as every other child died when they left that she needs to keep you there because if you never make it out of the underground then your past is basically fucked. So she decides to make your life comfortable and coincidentally gets to replace her dead children.
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No.2474
>>2473
She could of just decided to not be a bitch and get back with Asgore, instead of trying to keep kids locked up in her house, in which the funnest things to do would be to read obscure fact books and walk around.
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No.2475
>>2474
Asgore definitely wanted to keep shoves tykes on spikes in the beginning believing he was right when he left so her last memory of him is him wanting to be a mass murderer and not of when he thought was he was doing was wrong but had to keep doing it anyway. She was disgusted by him and didn't think she could stop them so she ran to the entrance to try to persuade children from going out and dying. She DOES confront him in the pacifist ending and wants to put an end to it.
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No.2476
>>2475
keep shoving tykes on spikes*
when she left*
I'm tired
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No.2477
>>2475
Nah, she was just being a bitch, they've been underground for probably hundreds of years-there is no way Asgore DIDN'T try to get into contact with her, he even says he never really wanted to do it- just that he was mad at the time and felt he had an obligation to say/do something.
So when the first child fell and it was time, he felt he had to do it- but honestly Sans probably did it, I wouldn't be surprised if you were the first human to actually make it to Asgore, as you find all the other fallen humans equipment scattered throughout the underground.
Probably died being chased by Sans, as he honestly could of murdered any of them the moment they took a step outside of Home.
Besides Asgore never wanted to be a mass murderer, it seems like Toriel wanted him to be one- he just wanted to get enough souls to break the barrier- she wanted him to take the soul they had and fucking go take the rest.
Don't say peacefully because unless you can explain how the fuck Asgore would have peacefully taken the souls of 6 different humans, she meant rip and tear style.
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No.2478
>>2477
Her last memory was him being a pissed off asshole wanting to kill children so she probably wouldn't want to talk to him because he completely changed. Why does Toriel have to be there to keep him in line at all times, is he a fucking giant baby or something? You guys give him zero credit, you expect Toriel to treat him like a baby and be responsible for his every action.
>she wanted him to take the soul they had and fucking go take the rest
That's a shit load more than what she actually said which was "could have used the first soul you had to just go to the surface now", it was Asgore's idea when he was pissed to become a god and kill everyone, not hers. She continued to want to befriend humans even after they killed her child, but Asgore ended up chasing her away in his rage, so she held a grudge. Grudges fucking happen.
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No.2479
>>2478
In their years of marriage Asgore never got mad once?
Woo Asgore got mad, fuck this; I'm leaving never talking to this scumbag again, not even in a couple hundred years noop.
What type of person is this, their son just died so, so in an emotional outburst Asgore decides to make a statement about getting the souls and breaking the barrier, and she decides "Fuck all our years of marriage I know your mad but nah" and never talks to him again for over a hundred years.
Then the first thing she says to him when they meet is "Wow faggot, you still haven't gotten the other souls yet? Haha what a pussy, you had one job", treating him completely like shit.
From the wiki
>She is also frustrated by his meek unwillingness of following his plan and his hope for no human to ever come into the Underground. She also refuses his advances to reconcile; in the True Pacifist Ending, she calls him a "pathetic whelp".
So from this we can gleam she WANTED Asgore to murder the fuck out of people, and her problem was he didn't actually want to go genocide route on humans.
>Grudges happen
literally hundreds of years to get over it
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No.2480
>>2479
No shit, it was HIS plan, the reason she left, and came back to find that he still had monsters under orders to kill and he was pretending nothing was wrong and then it turned out that he wanted to delay the inevitable of going to the surface and hope the day never came and didn't even want his own plan. She called him pathetic because he stood his ground against her for that plan and then found him not wanting to do it, having all the souls he needs and still wanting to keep everyone underground for himself. That has no indication that she told him to do it, this is your entire motivation for railing against her and it's incorrect.
>I'm killing humans now.
>Don't do that.
>No I'm doing it.
>I won't be a part of this.
So she hid away from his rule, having tried to stop him but him not listening, unable to change him, and then knowing that he was getting the humans killed. Might I add also that none of the other humans ever tried to kill Toriel on their way through.
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No.2481
>>2480
Could she really not read her husband, or understand him to a deeper degree than what he said on the surface?
Was there any love in that marriage, because it seems a wife would know when her husband was distraught and didn't actually mean what he said- considering I'm sure he didn't have a violent streak in the past.
Can you even imagine being in Asgore's shoes?
You're king of the monsters, having been locked in a hole in the ground after having your population curved significantly, then your only child is killed again by humans.
Not only do you have personal grief, you have all monsters grieving with you looking towards you for something- some action.
What he said was an emotion driven decision also supported by the monsters who also wanted revenge, Toriel instead of giving him time to cool off or grieve decides to flush their ENTIRE marriage down the toilet.
Hell most of the monsters that know you're a human actually think Asgore will let you go if you ask him nicely, this shows that the fucking monsters know him better than his own wife.
Perhaps you need to go replay Undertale because Asgore's plan was to use the souls of any humans that fell into the Underground, and hope to god that never happens.
Toriel in the true pacifist end tells Asgore he should of took the first soul he got and got the rest, telling him he should of left the barrier, killed some humans for the souls and came back and broke the barrier.
>Having all the souls he needs
He needed one more, but she says when they got the first soul he should of taken it and got the six others.
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No.2482
>>2481
You're the one who needs a replay, I do sympathize with Asgore but he acted irrationally in the beginning and then came to his senses being part of a plan that he now had to follow through with because all of his peers expected it and he probably started to realize he was wrong after the first dead child. By the time Asgore would have "time to cool off" he'd already have murdered a child which was something she didn't want. Asgore didn't even give a shit about the human war, they were a happy family when Chara and Asriel were with them, and you don't even know for sure if that's Asgore on the intro. Can you not even use your imagination to think of what could have gone down to make her abandon him? Do you need absolutely everything spelled out for you? And some of the monsters don't even recognize Asgore, they just call him "some hairy guy", and those that know him think he's nice because they like the plan, they never saw him pissed off, and he routinely visits them and they think he's alright.
His "hope to god it never happens" doesn't mean shit, actions mean shit. Oh he hopes he doesn't see a child and has to kill them therefor he can kill a child when he sees one, that's definitely excusable then.
Toriel wasn't telling him TO do that she was telling him if he actually gave a shit about his own plan that he came up with then he would've done that instead. A monster with a human soul can wipe out a village with ease, but Asgore wouldn't do that because he didn't want to do the plan that he came up with, which is why she called him pathetic.
Here's an idea, what if Asgore DIDN'T kill a child, took the child up to the door and talked through the door like Sans and said he didn't kill the child, better yet, tell Sans to tell her. Then she would've realized he was done being a cocksucker. But he didn't, just kept on killing humans. And I do sympathize with him, he made a brash decision, fucked up, regretted it, lived with the guilt, couldn't get his wife back, tragic and shit. But then everyone just goes full "TORIEL IS A FUCKING STUPID BITCH" instead.
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No.2484
>>2482
>irrationally
Not at all, wanting revenge on the people who murdered your child isn't irrational in the slightest
>she didn't want
But she wants him to murder other humans, just not the special specific humans she wants to keep for herself
>Asgore in the intro
Oh I'm sure him being able to literally destroy a part of your will and his combat ability is just unexplained.
Never mind the fact he trained Undyne
>Hope to god it doesn't happen
But when it does happen he will be ready, and he will fight; even if he doesn't want to. It's his duty to his people.
>Toriel wasn't telling him TO do that she was telling him if he actually gave a shit about his own plan that he came up with then he would've done that instead. A monster with a human soul can wipe out a village with ease, but Asgore wouldn't do that because he didn't want to do the plan that he came up with, which is why she called him pathetic.
>WAAAH ASGORE DON'T MURDER HUMANS
>WOW YOU PUSSY WHY DIDN'T YOU MURDER HUMANS
ANd if he did
>WOW YOU SICK MONSTER FAGGOT BASTARD HOW DARE YOU MURDER HUMANS
There is literally 0 winning with Toriel
>Here's an idea, what if Asgore DIDN'T kill a child,
I'm 100% sure he didn't kill most of them
>took the child up to the door and talked through the door like Sans and said he didn't kill the child,
Humans being incredibly rare, as most don't even know what they look like-Aside from Asgore having to walk all the way back from Hotland to Snowdin to meet the child before it got murdered by any freedom hungry residents, let alone if the child actually killed some monsters along the way- before Undyne, Sans, Papyrus, Mettaton(depending on how old Mettaton is) or any of the other 'strong' monsters finished them, he would then have to convince the freedom hungry child to stay down with monsters for the foreseeable future.
Pretty sure most souls were given to him like "Hey Asgore, here's another soul for you".
It stands to reason many died before Asgore even knew they were there, hell Asgore didn't even know you were there as he was shocked when you showed up.
Alphys having cameras set up everywhere probably having watched many humans fall before reaching Asgore, probably one of her favorite shows.
Toriel is fine with flushing their relationship down the drain because Asgore wants to kill a couple humans- not irrational nor brash decision considering the circumstances, and held a grudge for hundreds of years, then tells him he should of done something that would of made her madder, putting him in a lose-lose situation.
If this isn't the slightest bit irrational or insane to you, then I don't know what could be.
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No.2486
>>2484
>Not at all, wanting revenge on the people who murdered your child isn't irrational in the slightest
Completely 180'd his personality and started hating himself
>She wants him to murder other humans
Never happened
>Why is Asgore able to break the fourth wall by destroying your buttons
Because this is a meta game
>His duty to his people
Could've went on a killing spree after the first soul.
>WAAAH ASGORE DON'T MURDER HUMANS
>WOW YOU PUSSY WHY DIDN'T YOU MURDER HUMANS
ANd if he did
>WOW YOU SICK MONSTER FAGGOT BASTARD HOW DARE YOU MURDER HUMANS
Not what I said, not what happened, get reading comprehension.
>I'm 100% sure he didn't kill most of them
Asgore's subordinates under his orders to kill humans and bring them back to the castle is Asgore killing them.
>before it got murdered by any freedom hungry residents
Sans and Undyne under his direct command loyally awaiting his orders
>other children killing monsters
No indication of this, they didn't even harm Toriel, no one ever mentions monsters being killed this way.
>Pretty sure most souls were given to him like "Hey Asgore, here's another soul for you".
Just kept on stacking those souls instead of breaking the barrier long before the second human after Chara and giving his people the freedom they wanted.
>It stands to reason many died before Asgore even knew they were there, hell Asgore didn't even know you were there as he was shocked when you showed up.
They were all under orders from Asgore to Undyne to watch for humans so they could have their souls taken.
>Alphys
A cunt aside from making Flowey and granting the pacifist ending
>Toriel is fine with flushing their relationship
They obviously had a huge fucking argument worthy of undoing their marriage that was so severe she never wanted to see him again, but this isn't spelled out so you think she spontaneously transformed into a bitch. These are fucking characters that Toby designed to be "individuals", they have a set of logic. You have some kind of weird bias going on, I don't even hate Asgore I'm just defending Toriel. You aren't even admitting any wrong, you started this whole thing off saying Toriel told Asgore to kill humans and you are still choosing to misinterpret what I say.
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No.2488
>>2486
>Not at all, wanting revenge on the people who murdered your child isn't irrational in the slightest
Completely 180'd his personality and started hating himself
>She wants him to murder other humans
Never happened
>Why is Asgore able to break the fourth wall by destroying your buttons
Because this is a meta game
>His duty to his people
Could've went on a killing spree after the first soul.
>WAAAH ASGORE DON'T MURDER HUMANS
>WOW YOU PUSSY WHY DIDN'T YOU MURDER HUMANS
ANd if he did
>WOW YOU SICK MONSTER FAGGOT BASTARD HOW DARE YOU MURDER HUMANS
Not what I said, not what happened, get reading comprehension.
>reading comprehension
The irony oh my god.
You said
>Toriel wasn't telling him TO do that she was telling him if he actually gave a shit about his own plan that he came up with then he would've done that instead.
So if he actually "gave a shit" about his plan and did that Toriel would of hated him more.
which is why I put
>ANd if he did
>WOW YOU SICK MONSTER FAGGOT BASTARD HOW DARE YOU MURDER HUMANS
But okay, lets see here
>>Not at all, wanting revenge on the people who murdered your child isn't irrational in the slightest
>Completely 180'd his personality and started hating himself
What? The murder of your only child can make people act differently? Gee.
>She wants him to murder other humans
>Never happened
What she said not me.
>Why is Asgore able to break the fourth wall by destroying your buttons
>Because this is a meta game
Yeah, and Asgore is able to do that just because, not special or anything- being able to destroy a part of the MC's will? Psst metagame guy.
>His duty to his people
>Could've went on a killing spree after the first soul.
Didn't want to though, was mad at the time but probably calmed down after, and that would of made Toriel madder which he did not want.
>I'm 100% sure he didn't kill most of them
>Asgore's subordinates under his orders to kill humans and bring them back to the castle is Asgore killing them.
Do you really think the ones that wanted to escape would of stopped because he told them to?
If anything someone like Undyne would of just taken a soul for themselves and went on a murdering spree, backtracking would not of been a good option.
>other children killing monsters
>No indication of this, they didn't even harm Toriel, no one ever mentions monsters being killed this way.
She probably let them pass. If not, why hadn't she destroyed the door before?
>Pretty sure most souls were given to him like "Hey Asgore, here's another soul for you".
>Just kept on stacking those souls instead of breaking the barrier long before the second human after Chara and giving his people the freedom they wanted.
By going on a murder spree and starting another war?
>Alphys
>A cunt aside from making Flowey and granting the pacifist ending
Did literally nothing wrong aside from hiding the Amalgamates.
>They obviously had a huge fucking argument worthy of undoing their marriage that was so severe she never wanted to see him again, but this isn't spelled out so you think she spontaneously transformed into a bitch. These are fucking characters that Toby designed to be "individuals", they have a set of logic. You have some kind of weird bias going on, I don't even hate Asgore I'm just defending Toriel. You aren't even admitting any wrong, you started this whole thing off saying Toriel told Asgore to kill humans and you are still choosing to misinterpret what I say.
Hundreds of years. Argument be damned holding a grudge that long over an argument is not healthy nor normal activity.
You don't seem to want to be in Asgore's shoes of being the king and explaining to monsters the people that have locked them down there are also the ones who killed your child.
Anger like that doesn't go away easily, whether it went away before or after the first soul is not known.
And while you may try to spin it and say the same thing about Toriel, an argument about killing the people who killed your child, and the anger over having your child killed are not near the same level, no matter what was said.
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No.2489
>>2488
Good god you made this far more difficult to read than it had to be with this copy paste job.
She never wanted him to murder anyone, you didn't even say she merely told him, you say she personally desired the deaths of humans which I'd like to see you prove. She called him pathetic for not even falling through on the plan he stood up to her for and was willing to split up over. The entire catalyst of the grudge, the entire reason they split up, she goes out and sees that he just sat there stacking human souls, keeping every monster down there for his own personal problems. She never said murder anyone, she told him what he knows he could have done instead of bullshitting and going half-way on a plan that everyone was riding on just to keep everyone down seeing as that was his and everyone else's plan except hers. You'll just keep saying she wanted him to kill humans though instead of her pointing out the obvious flaw in his plan and him holding everyone captive which is why she said he was pathetic. She would hate him either way, but it's not even about her, she thought it was stupid to waste people's time and lie for 100 god damn years when they all believed in you.
He'd have to go on a murder spree, like he planned, like everyone expected, like what is literally the only option aside from giving a human a monster soul or Flowey. I don't know what the hell their plan was at the Pacifist ending, they just wanted to stop the fight and not make Frisk choose, potentially have Frisk just stay with them. But seeing as they had six human souls they could've brainstormed something. It solved about everything, they might not have even needed Flowey.
>Do you really think the ones that wanted to escape would of stopped because he told them to?
No but the point stands that they are his army and carrying out his orders.
>Yeah, and Asgore is able to do that just because, not special or anything- being able to destroy a part of the MC's will? Psst metagame guy.
He just blew up your button as symbolism that there can be no mercy in the fight and he deserves none. Gerson has meta knowledge that you can't do anything to him at the item screen, explain that. "He's old." And that gives you metaphysical extradimensional fourth wall breaking knowledge against a demiurge-like being how? Sans has the excuse of time traveling.
I still sympathize with Asgore, you're making me have to list what he did when the ball was in his court. These characters are not perfect, they're realistic(except Undyne, she was just raised on anime, that's about it), they resonate and bounce off one another, no one person is at fault, you're pinning the blame on a single one who isn't Chara. They are both the victims of a tragic fate, this is a classic divorce story, and you CAN choose if Asgore redeemed himself in the end or not. Maybe Toriel is insane after about 8 dead children and isolation, and so is just about, every single other monster, she has a much less severe case comparatively. Not only did they split up horribly, this grudge was also reinforced by the tragedy of losing their children. This is god damn absurd, I cannot believe I typed this much.
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No.2491
>>2489
She says "You could have gone through the barrier after you got ONE SOUL… taken six SOULs from the humans, then come back and freed everyone" and then "But instead, you made everyone live in despair… because you would rather wait here, meekly hoping another human never comes."
Is this doesn't seem like she said he should of done that, then I guess we just have to agree to disagree, since you seem to be looking at it from a different perspective than I am, to me this makes her seem cold blooded and I feel it came entirely out of left field in-game.
Which is odd because it really seems like just the thought of being free some time soon was enough to give them hope.
>No but the point stands that they are his army and carrying out his orders.
Fair enough, it's not like he's gonna backtrack out of it after getting the first soul though.
>He just blew up your button as symbolism that there can be no mercy in the fight and he deserves none. Gerson has meta knowledge that you can't do anything to him at the item screen, explain that.
But you see this isn't fourth wall breaking. In universe these are actual things-not just from a gameplay standpoint.
It's just like resets- they are actually things in universe, just like Asgore knows about the MC's ability to reset he knows about their will-isn't that what kills monsters, the intent to kill?
Him destroying the spare option is because he knows he'd probably want to stop fighting just like Toriel if you spammed it enough, so he got rid of it to force himself to see the battle through, he knows he probably can't defeat you either-he knows how many times he's defeated you and he knows you'll just keep coming back.
>Eight dead children
But they aren't her children.
She is not the least bit sane, probably has not been ever since Asriel died, viewing literally any child as your own and trying to keep them locked down in your house when they want to go home is not a sane or normal option.
If she wanted she could of probably walked you out herself- she seems strong and capable.
On a side note and off-topic, if you kill Toriel why can't you just take her soul and avoid the Asgore fight?
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No.3799
oh wow how'd I miss this thread
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