No.9855
I've heard this statement "Why are you doing it if it just frustrates you?" a lot when I mention my feeling toward drawing. Especially to some artists. Like a lot of artists describe this feeling of genuine euphoria with drawing and I've never felt this way toward it. I always viewed drawing as very rigid and systematic like I'm lifting weights or doing math.
Does anyone have any thoughts on the subject? I've always thought after I git gud at art and I feel like I can draw anything that my feelings of anxiety while drawing would go away. Which is the main reason I'm doing it to begin with. So I can create things I can passably consider good, so I don't have to rely on others to draw things for me. But I've read from people that I should be looking for some deeper meaning toward it that I just don't really see.
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No.9856
I've posted this quote from this basketball man often and I think it's pretty topical. I'm at the point where I can't draw particularly well and it's frustrating, but I do have things I want to draw and enjoy drawing them-or at least have a vested interest in drawing them-to where I see the literal suffering as being worth it.
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No.9860
You can do whatever you want as long as you don't procrastinate for days/weeks and cry to everyone else about how bad of a time you're having.
The thing is, most people do. They stop drawing because it sucks so much and they get depressed, so there's no meaning in struggling. You'd make a lot more progress and learn a lot faster if you found something to enjoy about it instead because you'd end up doing it so much more.
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No.9864
It sounds to me like rather than being any sort of an idealist, you're just very pragmatic, which I think is a good trait to have in any pursuit. I enjoy drawing but it's not like an hours-long orgasm or anything. It's normal to be frustrated sometimes, or have days or entire weeks where you just don't feel like picking up a pencil. It's especially frustrating if you're focused specifically on improving a skill because that's all gathering references and grinding through sucky renderings of shapes you don't quite understand yet. Most people are not as carefree or as happy as we would think; some are just better at hiding their frustrations with life. Confidence is something that's usually either partially or entirely a facade. Those people you've talked to who seem like they're perpetually happy aren't, they just aren't telling you about the sucky parts of their lives.
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No.9870
This is why I have stopped drawing in favour of learning Japanese.
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No.9880
>>9855
> I should be looking for some deeper
It's easy to enjoy drawing but the hard part is being creative and produce idea on what you'll be drawing. If you think drawing is just merely a piece of illustration? Hell no, it's more than just that.
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No.9889
>>9855
Your problem is you have no purpose to it. At least that's my hot take on it.
I can't speak for what'll work for you, but I know that in my case, having a concrete thing I'm working on accomplishing, with visible progression, helps me keep myself in check.
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No.9901
>>9889
I do have small objectives the problem is everything big i want to do, i'm physically incapable of doing without it looking jank as hell
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No.9911
>>9855
I am doing for the things I want to make
tho, I have like the act enough for it to be a time go by fast
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No.10931
>>9911
Has anyone deciphered what this post means yet?
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No.10938
>>10931
I'm going to need at LEAST three more months
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No.10948
>>10931
>>10938
He just means the enough liking of implies the speeding up effect of his time appreciation, even if doing enjoyment is a given.
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No.10954
>>10931
sorry I was probably drunk when I wrote that
I meant I am trying to get gud for things I want to make porn and porn comics rather then enjoying the act of drawing itself. I don't find the act of drawing enjoyable, but has started to change very slightly.
is what I was trying to get across, I think
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No.10963
>>9855
I think I have disfantasia or whatever that blank eye of the mind is called.
I literally have to do several times the amount of grindwork (which is not that much fun) to be like a real human being.
But I want to draw, so that's my response.
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No.10979
you start to enjoy when you became good.
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No.12946
>>9856
>>10954
>>10979
This
As a guy with 0 natural talent who hates the grind - I just treat drawing like a discipline rather than a hobby. I set a goal for the week and crank out the results. People got good or at least able at supposedly difficult shit through repetitions all the time, why shouldnt art be different?
God as my witness, I'm going to protect my waifu's smile.
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No.12948
>>12946
no one has natural talent. they all had to practice to get where they are today. natural talent is what people use to explain their laziness and sloth away. 'oh, i wish i could draw as good as you can', 'i cant even draw a straight line lol', 'i wish i was as talented as you' - they are the most insulting and condescending platitudes ever conceived. YOU are only lucky to be able to draw well. YOU didnt work to get it. God had nothing to do with it. We put in thousands of hours of work to get there. We have more time spent on single failures than you have in total.
Natural talent doesnt let people draw. It helps speed the process slightly, but we can draw because we put in the time. Same with the piano - assholes discredit everything you play because 'oh, must be nice to be naturally gifted' or 'i wish i was as talented as you'. Fuck you. Fuck everyone that says things like this. No one sits down and draws perfectly. Even the greats erase constantly and need to work that much harder to perfect their craft. Go watch any pro artist that streams - the eraser is used more than the pencil. Natural talent didnt make them good. Failing and failing and failing and failing some more is what made them good. Failing made them work to succeed. Failing is what made you stop.
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No.12949
>>12948
How about, "I wish I drew as a child like most artists, when I had more free time and wouldn't give a shit about the results, so I could actually enjoy what I was doing Instead of being in my late-twenties and dreading my lack of progress every day of my life just because I'm a retard autist who wants to draw cute things"?
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No.12962
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No.13018
>>12949
How about fuck that attitude with a railway spike? Everyone has regrets and that's fine. You want to git gud at drawing? Get over the pity parties and the woe is me crap, hard work and determination succeed when "natural talent" and child prodigy shit get complacent. There's only one way forward and that's to find your own reason to want to continue with it. Find what you love to draw and just do it, you don't have to post it, you don't have to worry about it because it's just a hobby.
I've noticed a lot of people get that existential dread attitude because many just expect art will be their success and they set these up real stick expectations for themselves instead of just focusing on what's in front of them. You have to take it a step at a time and never stop. Maybe you'll find some success in it but what's more important is that you aren't getting dragged into stagnation by some self indulgent personal fantasy of glory. I only started taking myself seriously with drawing five years ago, I've fallen victim to complacency over that time, but you just have to take it as another mistake to learn from.
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No.13020
>>13018
Right now it's more of a chore than a hobby. Never mind getting good, I'd like to get over the phase of drawing like a retarded five year old, so at least I could have fun making characters and doing art for my other hobbies. I probably can't even make a shitty little avatar for online stuff that I would be satisfied with. You're essentially right and in the end it's just a bunch of excuses, but as time goes on it gets harder and harder to say, "I just gotta put in more practice and everything will be alright!"
Here's some stuff I drew for reference:
>>12234
>>12320
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No.13033
>>13020
Unfortunately that's the secret, practice. And practice tends to be hard work. It will always be hard work and it only gets more complicated the more you learn. For the push back against the grind of it is satisfying that little fire that exists somewhere inside that craves for me to be my very best. You just gotta come to your own conclusion and figure out what makes you really want it and than go out and satisfy it. Besides these things just take a lot of time and patience, arguably it might be the most important to have patience with yourself. Everyone was shit at the start after all.
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No.13034
>>13033
>Everyone was shit at the start after all.
That's the worst part. My 'start' has lasted for years. It's true that I haven't been the most consistent, sometimes I would diligently draw for hours every day, and sometimes I wouldn't draw for months on end, but I do know I've spent hundreds of hours on drawing, and I've taken multiple approaches to the way I practice. So do I really just need more practice or am I deficient? I'm really starting to wonder. Because no one who's stuck with art for as long as I have seems to be nearly as bad as me, except for people who are literally autistic.
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No.13037
>>13034
You're not practicing enough. Those months long breaks severely add up when you're not paying attention. Either way it's a fallacy to get worked up about where you are or how long it's been, it's subjective bullshit we tell ourselves to rationalize a self percieved deficit. In reality its all in our heads. Make it a goal to ignore that bullshit and just draw what you want.
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No.13040
>>13037
>its all in our heads.
Not always; I've gotten flak from anons for not improving.
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No.13061
he worded it all fucked up i think. believing you cant improve is all in your head but not actually going and improving is a real problem.
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No.13063
>>13034
Embrace mediocrity.
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No.13131
>>9855
I've been seeing this pic for months and never noticed how lewd it was
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No.13614
>>13018
>Get over the pity parties and the woe is me crap
I remember when I used to be completely guilty of that mindset. I don't recall what exactly snapped me out of it or how it did, but I suppose it got overridden by other, worse shit in my life that put it into perspective hah
Better to get on with it now before you die than die without any meaningful growth, or simply outweigh that emotional tripe with something pressing enough to allow you to ignore it entirely.
>>12948
I always got those types of compliments from just about everyone in school, and I always brushed it off as meaningless smoke-blowing—I regurgitate random information I found interesting in school, tried to care about what I learned in class, and people think i'm smart because of it.
People are generally superficial and tend to not recognize the journey you took to your current skill level.
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