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 No.7045 [Last50 Posts]

Animation Thread

↑←↑ edition

Post your animation

Resources:

AMB Animation Academy

https://www.youtube.com/user/eubasaban

Aaron Blaise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgkjrFL398c

Kinovea video file frame-by-frame analysis

https://www.kinovea.org/

Software:

https://krita.org/

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 No.7046

File: 84f47c180546d11⋯.gif (145.36 KB,1024x768,4:3,Bounce.gif)

File: 7f71fe2565ff88e⋯.gif (547.37 KB,1024x768,4:3,Bounce2.gif)

File: 98326cabc861032⋯.gif (101.35 KB,1024x768,4:3,Jump.gif)

File: 6bbaa6782ef5335⋯.gif (969.95 KB,632x637,632:637,Bot Run WIP.gif)

Repostin' some stuff

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 No.7047

File: 054a530528e2ec2⋯.gif (465.09 KB,1000x666,500:333,Bounce2.gif)

>>7046

Skewed that second one's resolution a little bit

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 No.7055

>>7046

I love that robot.

In the first bounce I feel like there's a frame you should get rid of (the apex). It elevates ever so slightly the ball (a few pixels) which ruins the movement.

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 No.7056

File: d5be85c07e3d555⋯.gif (878.97 KB,792x1280,99:160,Untitled.gif)

File: 6a5372d86b6fb81⋯.gif (220.88 KB,1280x1280,1:1,suffer.gif)

Did this some time ago, I don't know jack shit about animation, my only experience it's with pivot and stuff like that, but maybe I will made it a habit, it seems very useful for my own objectives.

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 No.7057

File: a02eda18889894b⋯.gif (285.98 KB,1024x768,4:3,VBounce.gif)

File: 08d16cc81d481f1⋯.gif (514.36 KB,1024x768,4:3,VBounce2.gif)

>>7055

You're right, I'm having a hard time with slow-in, I've also been adding a double exposure on the last frame in my bounces as a "reset" and it ends up looking awkward

>>7056

Alright, you have a handful of key poses, you just need to time them out-think of how long the action would take/you want it to take, considering the rule of 24 frames in a second. Just take a good look at my balls and you should get an idea for how it works if you don't already.

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 No.7058

File: 0c055d18da0f59b⋯.gif (92.13 KB,600x600,1:1,thumbs_up.gif)

File: bf60c920f0ec1a9⋯.gif (48.33 KB,600x600,1:1,who knows what these are f….gif)

File: ccde8fcef5dc9db⋯.gif (337.18 KB,600x850,12:17,skeleton.gif)

File: 48f987da9f4569c⋯.gif (135.8 KB,500x500,1:1,suttehakkun.gif)

File: 2163ae87bcad734⋯.gif (385.02 KB,500x664,125:166,museo.gif)

Well, I guess I'll post some of my balls too.

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 No.7059

File: fe08efe72dfc244⋯.gif (408.33 KB,160x148,40:37,le perspiring formal wear ….gif)

>>7058

Nice balls fam

>dat hummingbirb

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 No.7062

File: 3cf792d0a311889⋯.gif (149.16 KB,1024x768,4:3,Jump Across.gif)

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 No.7063

>>7062

Damn, that last bounce is shit. Whoops

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 No.7064

>>7063

>>7062

I think it just shouldn't accelerate that fast once it hits the highest point.

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 No.7065

File: f384aa826a22a53⋯.jpg (123.64 KB,782x652,391:326,stop oppressing me bigot.jpg)

>>7064

Yeah I probably owe it a frame or two up there as well. I'm going to wait and see what AMB says if he ever wakes up

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 No.7069

File: a52800297b586dc⋯.jpg (24.32 KB,500x333,500:333,AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA….jpg)

WAKE UP AMB!

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 No.7073

File: d4115bfc81c0523⋯.gif (64.76 KB,1024x768,4:3,Heavy Ball.gif)

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 No.7099

>>7073

I feel like there are too many bounces. A heavy ball wouldn't bounce as much and lose all energy after a few bounces.

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 No.7102

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>>7073

>>7099

There's some balls on youtube that can help, at least until they're taken down.

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 No.7105

>>7099

>>7102

Thanks fam

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 No.7215

File: bc139a8fd2fcc36⋯.gif (244.26 KB,1024x768,4:3,Pendulum 1.gif)

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 No.7231

File: 876f9b7f258aecc⋯.gif (13.4 MB,1000x1157,1000:1157,Dragon loli animted.gif)

Doing some skinning animation, it's pretty cheap but easy to do and the end result looks pretty nice, perfect for some VN's or porn.

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 No.7234

>>7231

>the end result looks pretty nice

That's debatable, I've always thought that technique made characters look like Jell-O.

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 No.7235

>>7231

I'd like to learn how to do that, it was done very well in Dragon's Crown and was always pretty inspiring.

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 No.7236

>>7235

With that said though you definitely need practice; the motion doesn't look very natural tbh

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 No.7243

>>7234

It's good for the work done for the final result in comparation with normal animation, and you can still preserve the shading and things like that with animation. I still preffer the traditional animation when talking about motion, but when done well, this technology has its value to. The biggest problem is the limitations in relation to normal animation.

>>7235

I'ts actually pretty simple, you just set a bunch of key frames and the program animate for you, like flash, you can do a lot of different things if you think in the right way;

I experimented with a lot of different programs, like dragon bones and synfing but the best one so far that I found its one called anime effects. That and Spine too, but I could not find a good torrent and it's to expensive for me. The only problem so for with this program in particular is the fact he can't export transparent gifs and has low support for video game engines compared with dragonbones, but if you just gonna use it for small gifs or Ren'py thats no problem. I think this video explains very well how it works using the program:

https://youtu.be/l0C69RoFtSM

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 No.7264

File: 75da9b72638ea42⋯.jpg (183.14 KB,640x1158,320:579,307279_back.jpg)

>>7059

Thanks brother

I'm not sure it's a hummingbirb, the creature is from a snes game called Sutte Hakkun but I didn't really look into what it was supposed to be and I can't into moonrunes.

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 No.7266

File: e7c7930b72a72ae⋯.jpg (142.57 KB,1024x938,512:469,le nintendo switch face.jpg)

>>7264

Looks like a kind of interesting game, there's a lot of weird and cool stuff that never made it out of mongolia. Working on anything new recently? I'm not sure why but I feel like I've seen these pieces of yours somewhere else a few years ago.

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 No.7276

File: 36b19c6fe719b41⋯.gif (95.75 KB,500x500,1:1,there's something strange ….gif)

>>7266

It's a cute, fun puzzle game with a nice difficulty progression.

>I'm not sure why but I feel like I've seen these pieces of yours somewhere else a few years ago.

Maybe if you've been lurking /v/ or /co/? I've drawfagged a bit there the past few years, and that's also where I learned about this game. Or maybe it was something back at halfchan? I haven't changed a lot.

As for wips, I haven't done much animation-wise lately but this thread is very inspiring, especially the balls.

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 No.7366

>>7058

>>7276

oh hey it's the french inflation fetishist brony

how are your art endeavors recently? I don't see you post much anymore. you look like you're getting good at animation

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 No.7367

>>7366

French inflation fetishist bronies are GOOD, redart!

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 No.7389

File: 7fe88bbb241bde2⋯.gif (290.71 KB,600x700,6:7,Is leaving it plugged in p….gif)

File: 28375734c18c682⋯.gif (594.57 KB,600x700,6:7,further testing required.gif)

>>7366

>I don't see you post much anymore.

Well, I've never posted a lot on /loomis/, or /ic/ for that matter. These gifs might be the most I've posted in months.

>you look like you're getting good at animation

Thanks, I'm trying to make them a bit more complex/longer than I used to.

>>7367

But what's your sample size?

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 No.7391

File: 221b9f79e82ffad⋯.png (413.22 KB,800x597,800:597,how does this even happen ….png)

>>7389

Well counting you and me that makes it two for two where I'm coming from, n*gga.

just kidding

or am I?

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 No.7416

>>7389

those are nice but they're a bit choppy. try increasing the frame rate in the future

also while I might have been giving you light banter over your preferences other anons won't be so kind. I remember the fuckfest one thread turned into when you openly talked about your inflation fetish. try to keep that shit on the down low

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 No.7423

File: 5180a7032d725c1⋯.gif (717.96 KB,600x600,1:1,unrequiredsmall.gif)

>>7416

Thanks for the advice. I don't mention nor talk about it unprompted but since I post almost everything online under the same name I've had questions or remarks from anons who had discovered shameful displays of deviancy I sometimes decide to answer briefly, as I am doing right now.

I don't particularly mind shitposting fuckfests or medium to rare banter either but lately my mere posting pictures has sometimes prompted thread derailment and deletion of all incriminated posts, which is somewhat bothersome, especially since I am to blame to begin with for not playing the paranoid route and sharing my drawings indiscriminately.

>>7391

Il n'y a qu'un seul moyen de le savoir.

Pour l'une des caractéristiques, en tout cas…

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 No.7426

File: 61fa683e39f1fe5⋯.png (518.21 KB,600x890,60:89,donk.png)

>>7423

vagin de cheval est le meilleur vagin

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 No.7448

File: 7b048aa5d1cc6a9⋯.png (Spoiler Image,127.91 KB,500x500,1:1,tumblr_oqs86rrqrw1w5jbxno1….png)

>>7423

when you've drawn autism like this, you should expect people to bully you over it

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 No.7454

File: 917b67209243f0c⋯.jpg (37.05 KB,500x318,250:159,tricky mickey.jpg)

>>7448

This is it. This is the end of YoRHa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLAvHLQGOco

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 No.7479

>>7454

>>7448

Well at least it's not 2B.

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 No.7653

File: 9ad239d21e08913⋯.gif (486.98 KB,560x420,4:3,Animation2.gif)

First animation evah.

Please tear it apart.

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 No.7655

>>7653

Shows promise. There isn't much reason for there to be more hang time on one pose to the next, and the inconsistency hurts the movement. Mind the volumes of the head and the sudden and inappropriate jerking action of the shoulders.

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 No.7699

File: 7438e2c052afac2⋯.jpg (51.55 KB,504x470,252:235,cyanide gas.jpg)

Ciircuit you fucker I know you're in this thread.

Did you really just wipe your Tumblr again?

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 No.7709

>>7653

Looks great. Good job, anon. Finish this if possible please.

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 No.7712

>>7653

That's pretty damn good for a first time.

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 No.7736

File: db9d1903fc9befd⋯.gif (552.84 KB,256x256,1:1,automatically generated sh….gif)

>>7699

Sorry for answering so late, I needed an actual animation to post in the animation thread.

Yes, I did. To be fair I did share archives of my art beforehand.

>>7448

You're right, I had actually forgotten about that.

If I remember correctly which, as you proved, is probably not the case much of the bullying actually stemmed out of a simple misunderstanding but it is still very embarrassing.

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 No.7763

>>7736

What's that, the second or third time you've done it?

That's annoying, I was going back to look for an image you drew and then I see somebody else claimed your Tumblr name.

I understand you might have wanted to clear your more weird art but in that case you probably shouldn't have posted it in the first place.

While we're on the topic of animations, will you ever do more of them? I'm a fan of your work but I never see you around much anymore.

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 No.7772

File: c92e9c83d6a25e5⋯.gif (1.13 MB,320x512,5:8,elusive2.gif)

>>7763

Yeah, I'm sorry about that. I often do it when I feel overwhelmed, and when I get too many followers and get into a bad momentum.

I've also simply had some very minor but unexpected functional health issues that have sapped me from the strength I usually save for social interaction.

>clear your more weird art

Impossible, I wouldn't know when or where to stop. There's already an archive anyway, if you feel like searching for the picture you're looking for.

https://files.fm/u/6gywuvt8?p=all

>While we're on the topic of animations, will you ever do more of them? I'm a fan of your work but I never see you around much anymore.

Thank you very much for your interest, I'll try. I've lost some motivation to drawfag my days away around but it'll come back, as it always does.

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 No.7774

File: 293a79b3e710520⋯.jpg (100.14 KB,618x501,206:167,in_sickness_and_in_health.jpg)

>>7772

cute poners lad

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 No.7949

Anyone doing the 51 animation exercises or has tried to? I see a lot of balls in this thread and it reminded me of the exercises list, that starts with those.

http://www.animatorisland.com/51-great-animation-exercises-to-master/

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 No.7952

>>7949

I don't want to sound too negative but I don't take that article very seriously, it serves very well as clickbait more than anything and I'll tell you why I think that.

Despite being marketed to beginners it's noteworthy that less than 10 of the 51 exercises have any examples for someone to follow along with-and the examples given aren't exactly the pinnacle of the craft either (though perhaps that's unfair). If you want to animate you have to understand the 12 principles of animation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_basic_principles_of_animation) before anything else, you don't just go from a ball bouncing in place to complex character animation like it does in that article without having a single clue about timing, spacing, arcs of motion, anticipation etc.-things that are learned through much simpler means; balls, pendulums etc.

Once you understand those 12 principles even a little the "51 exercises" basically become redundant, as at that point it's just a matter if you're adept at drawing enough to capture the poses and environment of the intended motion.

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 No.7953

>>7952

I mean think about it, many of those exercises are just completely arbitrary actions.

"a character eating a cupcake"

"a character reaching their arm out"

etc.

You could literally call anything a character could conceivably do an exercise by that logic.

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 No.7971

>>7953

>>7952

Those exercises expect you to apply the 12 principles.

My first animations weren't going to be good, so it was good for me to use those exercises to evaluate my weaknesses. To each their own though.

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 No.8074

File: 092489c301e71d6⋯.gif (91.28 KB,600x600,1:1,feathering.gif)

Bump

>>7953

>>7971

I'd like to use that list to orient my practice, at least the first few. A couple of them are very interesting, like the falling brick vs the bouncing ball, that both require very different treatment in acceleration and particularly when they hit the floor. I think the flour sac is a famous exercise in animation schools also.

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 No.8084

>>8074

I know you've been told this before but your art is so French I'm expecting a croissant to fly out of the screen and hit me whenever I see it.

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 No.8092

>>8084

Isn't it great? It's like he was created in a lab from out of Michel Ancel and HR Giger's genetic material.

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 No.8135

File: 329d2decddffe6f⋯.gif (241.98 KB,1024x768,4:3,Pendulum 2.gif)

Been a while. I've been spending more time desperately trying to solve my problems with ToonBoom than animating. Krita seems a lot more stable when exporting animation now though so that's good.

>but remove frames is broken so I've had to literally move frames I want to delete away from the rest of them instead of getting rid of them entirely

JUST

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 No.8136

File: 7cfea70f84266b3⋯.jpg (53.73 KB,736x694,368:347,hell.jpg)

>>8135

I spoke too soon. Not only is Krita screwing up now but I just noticed I accidentally added an extra frame at that lowermost position.

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 No.8137

>>8136

Okay, I see what that problem was anyway.

Because I named the updated file "Pendulum 2" instead of "Pendulum 2.gif" Krita assumed that meant I wanted to save each frame as an individual file on my desktop. Wonderful.

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 No.8139

>>8137

Is that what happens with v4.0? I think I'll stay with 3.x for now.

>>8135

I feel like the string jerk is a bit too pronounced. It's as if someone was gently yanking the string when the ball is at its apex. Maybe a more subtle movement would look more like something that happens on its own (unless you were going for that effect to begin with). Actually now that I think about it is that phenomenon that happens on its own with a pendulum? I always have in mind the very stable pendulum courses.

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 No.8140

>>8139

For what it's worth the inability to delete the frames was already happening to me in the previous version, I think the file itself may have gotten glitched somehow. I believe the exporting is actually more stable as long as you pay attention to what you're doing.

>Actually now that I think about it is that phenomenon that happens on its own with a pendulum? I always have in mind the very stable pendulum courses.

I'm not sure if that actually happens.

Most pendulums use a stiff string like I'd done earlier in the thread, this was just recommended by AMB. He cautioned that it wasn't realistic necessarily rather just for practice-maintaining the length of the string despite the erratic figure-eight movement of the ball and working out the timing.

He definitely stressed the importance of studying timing and spacing itself independent of reference footage, it sounds like he believes you should know how to do impressionistic stuff like this first and then seek reference out when you understand the concepts themselves more thoroughly.

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 No.8141

>>8092

Thanks man, they're amongst my greatest inspirations, especially Giger.

>>8084

I've been told this a few times, yes, sometimes because of the body types I default to. I guess I'm a product of my surroundings.

>>8140

>He definitely stressed the importance of studying timing and spacing itself independent of reference footage

I like that advice. In terms of timing I think I'd have slowed the ball at the highest points to emphacize the overall movement, though that's purely out of personal taste.

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 No.8142

File: a135e3992b02cd7⋯.gif (717.82 KB,1024x768,4:3,Pendulum Stop.gif)

Oh boy, I really fucked this one up six ways from sunday. Going to move on to the next one but I'll probably try and tackle this one again some time soon.

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 No.8143

>>8142

Yeah, it doesn't lose energy fast enough.

Maybe it's a pendulum on the moon

t. physics major

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 No.8168

File: 6e3b75a37008e4b⋯.gif (747.26 KB,1024x768,4:3,Drag and Drop.gif)

Fuck me I need to start zooming in to get those "slow in" movements. Eyeballing it (and using a fat-ass brush) isn't going to cut it.

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 No.8190

File: cc195a85ee263f7⋯.gif (468.47 KB,1024x768,4:3,Pendulum Drop.gif)

Trying again, not perfect, I think this one is a bit more successful.

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 No.8196

>>8190

Forgive my awkward wording for English is not my native language. When something like that gets a force pulled back on it it doesn't softly react, it quickly and violently tugs back. Around 18 you can see it doesn't react how it should, it moves to the left instead of being thrown to the left.

Around 22-24 you get it right.

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 No.8199

>>8196

I think I see what you're saying; you mean more the orientation of the head of the pendulum than its position right? Or perhaps I misundestood

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 No.8212

File: b5a54a0feb8f2bc⋯.gif (448.38 KB,1400x1100,14:11,Pendulum Settle Final.gif)

I think a big problem with the previous attempts was the low resolution and the big brush I was using, it makes slowing-in to the degree required of this test basically impossible.

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 No.11612

File: 5388051f7fb94c3⋯.gif (191.42 KB,740x400,37:20,test.gif)

File: a8af90e066b4ae9⋯.gif (59.34 KB,500x400,5:4,ball.gif)

File: 80fa70bbcbc8449⋯.gif (79.96 KB,700x400,7:4,run.gif)

If you guys want a basic animation tool, try Pivot Animator. It's a very barebones tool, but you can use it to learn about 2D animation and you have potential to make some great stuff. Personally if you're starting out making 2D animation I'd recommend it you can learn more about the fundamentals and how to make a smooth motion as it takes a helluva lot less time to animate since you're pivoting stickfigures rather than drawing from scratch.

You can find all the crazy shit people made by looking up "darkdemon" or "droidz"; both of those websites have dedicated forums specifically for people showing their animations as well as tutorials. There's also a bunch of collaboration videos on YouTube you can find.

I'm gonna share some very, very basic stuff that I made that're primarily me practicing "easing" I don't know what the actual term is, but it means starting slow, then gradually moving faster to make the animation more smooth.. Stuff like the floppy arm helps emulate "physics". If anybody's still here any of you want, I can post some of the things that I learned from this though to be honest I've never made any crazy shit, I just dicked around with this program so much as a child and tween that everything I learned is ingrained into my memory. So ingrained in fact that this is the shit I made after a 5-year gap.

Having dabbled in 2D animation years ago but not seriously getting invested, I know that a lot of what I learned does transfer over.

https://pivotanimator.net/

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 No.11613

>>11612

Post away. I’ve always been here but for various circumstances I haven’t uploaded anything to this board for like months ;-;

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 No.11614

File: bf567e655211314⋯.gif (102.59 KB,700x400,7:4,dropkick'.gif)

>>11613

If you have it downloaded, you can view what I did with this one to see how I made it smooth, as well as if you can notice some of the mistakes I made in it. I animate in 24fps, so set it to that.

https://my.mixtape.moe/hcoscw.piv

I'm bad at explaining stuff, but I'll try my best

I'm sure you already know this,but one of the basic foundations for animation is something called "ease-in ease-out", basically meaning that you want to move your object slow at first, then gradually start accelerating it. The easiest example is that ball gif I posted. No matter what you're animating, that's something that'll always be applicable.

I'm kinda drawing a blank when talking about this stuff, as I mostly learned shit by just constantly animating rather than reading or watching how to better.

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 No.11853

File: b7d67e128037f24⋯.gif (148.75 KB,800x600,4:3,export.gif)

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 No.11856

>>11853

What a weighty bottom.

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 No.11865

>>11853

Now try adding some slow-in/slow-out with inbetweens, fella

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 No.11963

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Why don't people 'get' what makes combat choreography good? The thing that for some reason only Southeast Asians seem to have communities for? The thing that made Monty Oum famous? The weight, timing, and dynamism that can make fucking stick figures exciting?

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 No.12291

File: 8bc97cf49b7ac1a⋯.gif (76.57 KB,800x600,4:3,export.gif)

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 No.12292

>>12291

Add a couple inbetween frames to the top arc and it's looking good

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 No.12293

File: 30412122c90f084⋯.gif (34.09 KB,800x600,4:3,export.gif)

Why does the halt look weak?

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 No.12294

>>12293

Because you have it stop dead and then lean a few frames later, try and have it lean and then snap back instead…maybe

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 No.12296

File: eb5a533782ec80f⋯.gif (51.13 KB,800x600,4:3,exportii.gif)

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 No.12297

>>12296

Better, keep experimenting

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 No.12358

File: 092cd4d27f6d539⋯.gif (101.57 KB,800x600,4:3,export.gif)

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 No.12359

>>12358

Not bad. You're already half-way to working in a Korean sweatshop as an inbetweener heh.

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 No.12640

File: b0a5364d00702d0⋯.gif (505.66 KB,1107x891,41:33,stepnfetchit.gif)

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 No.12648

>>12640

Very nice gondola.

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 No.12666

File: 1d9a4b21dcf25d6⋯.webm (5.86 MB,1600x1200,4:3,gondola_grave2.webm)

File: c8221d38e074bf3⋯.png (346.04 KB,1600x1200,4:3,gondola_stars.png)

I'm not exactly a very good animator, and right now I'm more interested in improving my drawing skills first. But I did make an attempt with one of the gondolas I made a little while ago, webm related. Critique is welcome. The second pic is a work in progress. I want to be able to have a few constellations fade in/out, and the fireflies to move around and blink on/off. Is there a convenient way for me to do this with Krita? I'm not very familiar with the animation tools it offers.

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 No.12681

>>12666

It follows the gondola webms' codes, good job Satan.

I could almost see the clouds move.

>Is there a convenient way for me to do this with Krita?

I don't know of anything else than animating the fireflies frame by frame. For the fading there's the tweening you can look into the documentation. Change the workspace to the animation one and fiddle with the controls, you'll learn fast

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 No.12729

>>12681

>I could almost see the clouds move.

shit that would have been a very nice touch. It's too bad that krita doesn't have any tweening though. I think photoshop has some more fleshed out animation stuff, so I might look into that instead.

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 No.12912

Would it be possible to bring cel animation back? im sick of digital shit

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 No.12915

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 No.12937

>>12912

Do it yourself. It's never coming back as an industry because normalniggers wouldn't appreciate it.

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 No.13804

Newbie question: is it better to animate on paper and then scan it, or to do it directly on digital? I suppose the latter is easier, but I'm also concerned about the end result. I don't like how modern cartoons look, they're too sterile compared to the old school stuff…

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 No.13805

>>13804

Try both, report back.

I've only ever tried digital because it's so convenient.

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 No.14009

File: 6924cd2e780a863⋯.gif (99.28 KB,800x600,4:3,export.gif)

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 No.14019

>>14009

>ghostblowjob.gif

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 No.14582

File: e1beefdaaa689ad⋯.gif (124 KB,800x600,4:3,box-stomp.gif)

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 No.14644

File: 36e550a7b918866⋯.gif (71.85 KB,800x600,4:3,export.gif)

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 No.14732

File: 6a33f2d5027aa2f⋯.gif (94.48 KB,800x600,4:3,export3.gif)

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