/loomis/ - Art Gains

Anyone doing the 51 animation exercises or has tried to? I see a lot of balls in this thread and it reminded me of the exercises list, that starts with those.

http://www.animatorisland.com/51-great-animation-exercises-to-master/

>>7949

I don't want to sound too negative but I don't take that article very seriously, it serves very well as clickbait more than anything and I'll tell you why I think that.

Despite being marketed to beginners it's noteworthy that less than 10 of the 51 exercises have any examples for someone to follow along with-and the examples given aren't exactly the pinnacle of the craft either (though perhaps that's unfair). If you want to animate you have to understand the 12 principles of animation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_basic_principles_of_animation) before anything else, you don't just go from a ball bouncing in place to complex character animation like it does in that article without having a single clue about timing, spacing, arcs of motion, anticipation etc.-things that are learned through much simpler means; balls, pendulums etc.

Once you understand those 12 principles even a little the "51 exercises" basically become redundant, as at that point it's just a matter if you're adept at drawing enough to capture the poses and environment of the intended motion.

>>7952

I mean think about it, many of those exercises are just completely arbitrary actions.

"a character eating a cupcake"

"a character reaching their arm out"

etc.

You could literally call anything a character could conceivably do an exercise by that logic.

>>7953

>>7952

Those exercises expect you to apply the 12 principles.

My first animations weren't going to be good, so it was good for me to use those exercises to evaluate my weaknesses. To each their own though.

>>8074

I know you've been told this before but your art is so French I'm expecting a croissant to fly out of the screen and hit me whenever I see it.

>>8084

Isn't it great? It's like he was created in a lab from out of Michel Ancel and HR Giger's genetic material.

>>8136

Okay, I see what that problem was anyway.

Because I named the updated file "Pendulum 2" instead of "Pendulum 2.gif" Krita assumed that meant I wanted to save each frame as an individual file on my desktop. Wonderful.

>>8137

Is that what happens with v4.0? I think I'll stay with 3.x for now.

>>8135

I feel like the string jerk is a bit too pronounced. It's as if someone was gently yanking the string when the ball is at its apex. Maybe a more subtle movement would look more like something that happens on its own (unless you were going for that effect to begin with). Actually now that I think about it is that phenomenon that happens on its own with a pendulum? I always have in mind the very stable pendulum courses.

>>8139

For what it's worth the inability to delete the frames was already happening to me in the previous version, I think the file itself may have gotten glitched somehow. I believe the exporting is actually more stable as long as you pay attention to what you're doing.

>Actually now that I think about it is that phenomenon that happens on its own with a pendulum? I always have in mind the very stable pendulum courses.

I'm not sure if that actually happens.

Most pendulums use a stiff string like I'd done earlier in the thread, this was just recommended by AMB. He cautioned that it wasn't realistic necessarily rather just for practice-maintaining the length of the string despite the erratic figure-eight movement of the ball and working out the timing.

He definitely stressed the importance of studying timing and spacing itself independent of reference footage, it sounds like he believes you should know how to do impressionistic stuff like this first and then seek reference out when you understand the concepts themselves more thoroughly.

>>8092

Thanks man, they're amongst my greatest inspirations, especially Giger.

>>8084

I've been told this a few times, yes, sometimes because of the body types I default to. I guess I'm a product of my surroundings.

>>8140

>He definitely stressed the importance of studying timing and spacing itself independent of reference footage

I like that advice. In terms of timing I think I'd have slowed the ball at the highest points to emphacize the overall movement, though that's purely out of personal taste.

>>8142

Yeah, it doesn't lose energy fast enough.

Maybe it's a pendulum on the moon

t. physics major

>>8190

Forgive my awkward wording for English is not my native language. When something like that gets a force pulled back on it it doesn't softly react, it quickly and violently tugs back. Around 18 you can see it doesn't react how it should, it moves to the left instead of being thrown to the left.

Around 22-24 you get it right.

>>8196

I think I see what you're saying; you mean more the orientation of the head of the pendulum than its position right? Or perhaps I misundestood

>>11612

Post away. I’ve always been here but for various circumstances I haven’t uploaded anything to this board for like months ;-;

>>11853

What a weighty bottom.

>>11853

Now try adding some slow-in/slow-out with inbetweens, fella

Why don't people 'get' what makes combat choreography good? The thing that for some reason only Southeast Asians seem to have communities for? The thing that made Monty Oum famous? The weight, timing, and dynamism that can make fucking stick figures exciting?

>>12291

Add a couple inbetween frames to the top arc and it's looking good

>>12293

Because you have it stop dead and then lean a few frames later, try and have it lean and then snap back instead…maybe

>>12296

Better, keep experimenting

>>12358

Not bad. You're already half-way to working in a Korean sweatshop as an inbetweener heh.

>>12640

Very nice gondola.

>>12666

It follows the gondola webms' codes, good job Satan.

I could almost see the clouds move.

>Is there a convenient way for me to do this with Krita?

I don't know of anything else than animating the fireflies frame by frame. For the fading there's the tweening you can look into the documentation. Change the workspace to the animation one and fiddle with the controls, you'll learn fast

>>12681

>I could almost see the clouds move.

shit that would have been a very nice touch. It's too bad that krita doesn't have any tweening though. I think photoshop has some more fleshed out animation stuff, so I might look into that instead.

Would it be possible to bring cel animation back? im sick of digital shit

>>12912

no

>>12912

Do it yourself. It's never coming back as an industry because normalniggers wouldn't appreciate it.

Newbie question: is it better to animate on paper and then scan it, or to do it directly on digital? I suppose the latter is easier, but I'm also concerned about the end result. I don't like how modern cartoons look, they're too sterile compared to the old school stuff…

>>13804

Try both, report back.

I've only ever tried digital because it's so convenient.

>>14009

>ghostblowjob.gif