No.99897 [Last50 Posts]
Every time the government wants to pass something horrible that past two decades, it's the same four excuses:
>X helps proliferate child porn.
>This is a tool to stop money laundering.
>Gotta get tough on terrorism.
>There's a human trafficking crisis.
I know there's a lot of people who come onto this board and meme "BUt whAt IF thE chILd COnsENts," but is the libertarian movement going to get crushed because you can basically justify anything an authoritarian does by remotely connecting it to "Cracking down on CP" (or terrorism or human trafficking or money laundering)? Increase TSA searches because that cracks down on CP. Take away VPNs because those are used for CP. Take away Bitcoin because money laundering and only people selling CP would launder money. Take away everyone's gun because some hick in Virginia liked his gun and his cousin's mother-in-law turned out to have a ton of CP.
There's no talk about what would ACTUALLY stop this sort of stuff. It's always this fucking gut reaction. I'm getting kind of depressed by it.
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No.99900
There is nothing wrong with child pornography if the child consents.
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No.99901
What is so important about cp?
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No.99905
>>99901
Anon wants his shitty CP when loli is readily available.
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No.99908
>>99905
No I just want to have sex with farm animals like horses and cows. Tired of being offered chink garbage.
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No.99911
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>99905
Not just any CP-lover. I think you mean a money laundering, human trafficking, CP-loving TERRORIST anon.
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No.99931
>>99901
Anon is too beta to fuck lolis so he needs porn to relax.
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No.99932
>>99897
This is why step one is to legalize child sex and CP. Then it can't be used to shut down anyone out of hand.
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No.99942
>>99897
>I know there's a lot of people who come onto this board and meme "BUt whAt IF thE chILd COnsENts,"
It's not a meme, you stupid cunt. It's a valid question with a logical basis. You are the useful idiot that allows the Fed to do this shit, so where the fuck do you get off bitching about it?
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No.99950
>>99932
>legalize child sex
Everyone in the next generation would be messed up if that happens
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No.99952
>>99950
By that reasoning public education should be made illegal. …which I don't think is a bad idea.
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No.99953
The answer to this is to argue the authoritarians on the ground they stand on. In your examples we already know that TSA searches aren't stopping shit. It's busywork that already intrudes on a persons privacy. We know VPNs are used for 1000s of good reasons and that people can make currency out of anything and trade it for illegal goods. Ending bitcoin won't end that.
Children will always be the last 'gotcha' that Authoritarians use. The best thing a libertarian can do in these circumstances is argue the points being made and talk with people who say shit like "Take away VPNs because those are used for CP". It isn't hard to show them where they are wrong. You can win more minds by just speaking to those who hold these opinions and delivering to them the truth.
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No.99955
>>99953
Only took ten posts.
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No.100007
real anarchists accept degeneracy
they fuck kids in afghanistan and interventionism is bad and even the state ignores it there so they are just concern trolling us
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No.100008
>>99953
>Children will always be the last 'gotcha' that Authoritarians use. The best thing a libertarian can do in these circumstances is argue the points being made and talk with people who say shit like "Take away VPNs because those are used for CP". It isn't hard to show them where they are wrong. You can win more minds by just speaking to those who hold these opinions and delivering to them the truth.
we need something more elegant than long winded responses
i think this one >>100007 is a start and prety gud
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No.100020
>>99953
actually this is based
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No.100045
>>99897
The single answer to all this is that there is no greater criminal than the state. The state is the biggest robber, the state is the biggest murderer, the state is the biggest terrorist, the state is the biggest rapist, the state is the biggest human trafficker.
Every crime in society is multiplied by at least a thousandfold with the state.
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No.100342
>>99950
>[Citation needed]
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No.100362
>>99950
what about greece
aristotle and socrates were pedos
i think that humans can evolve and adapt to anything including torturing children but that doesnt make it right
>>100342
>hurr durr because humans can adapt to torture that means we should torture children with our penus
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No.100369
>>100342
>>99932
wow glownigs must be really afraid of /liberty/
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No.100370
>>100362
You need to prove that consensual sex with children is equivalent to torture.
Also you're strawmanning the pro-pedo argument. In ancient greece, pederasty was thought to be educational for boys and beneficial for developing virtue. No one believed that a boy entering into a consensual pederastic relationship with an older man was being 'tortured'.
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No.100375
>>100370
You need to prove that children can consent to sex.
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No.100408
A child can only consent once they obtain agency. At that point they would be too busy throwing commies from helicopters than to have sex.
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No.100410
>>100370
how can a child consent to sex if they dont even understand the implications and consequences of it
i was tricked into touching an old creepy dudes dick when i was eleven because i thought it was some kind of joke but then he started jacking off and when i asked my mom what he was doing she explained it to me.. that experience scarred me for life and it shows that until humans go through puberty and become sexually maturity any sexual activity is likely to harm them
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No.100411
>>100370
but youre a fucking agent provocateur troll fucking shill faggot so fuck you
if you actually wanted to end pedophilia you would GO AFTER THE PEDOCRACY AND SEXUAL PEDOPHILIA BLACK MALE FUCKING INSTITUION OF THE STATE
Nick bryant author of the "franklin case" sharing expert opinion on epstein and his video recording equipment he used to tape the pedocracy for blackmail:
https://youtu.be/x9V2rbUCwKc
https://newspunch.com/footage-abused-children-jeffrey-epstein-pedo-island/
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No.100414
>>100410
how can an adult consent to contracts if they dont even understand the implications and consequences of it
i was tricked into selling my house for $3.50 when i was twenty-six because i thought it was some kind of joke but then he started moving in and when i asked my lawyer what he was doing she explained it to me.. that experience scarred me for life and it shows that until humans go through law school any contract is likely to harm them
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No.100415
>>100414
k so if you trick a little kid, like 5 years old or something, into give you their piggy bank is that fair and consensual?
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No.100418
>>100375
They can say "yes".
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No.100420
>>100418
so can a 96 year old with dementia.. doesnt mean you would have an easy time enforcing a contract they signed
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No.100421
>>100418
>>100414
also you are so fucking obviously not a pedo and just trying to literally strawman a thread about strawmanning… it's lame so fuck off everyone knows what you are up to.. we know you are a basement dweller so dont get fucking full of yourself because no one actually thinks youre a real cia agent
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No.100422
>>100415
No, that's my point. You're saying that consent is flawed because fraud exists. Fraud is not something that is exclusive to children, and just because adults are capable of being defrauded, we don't bar them from entering contracts. No one is arguing that it is right or proper to trick anyone into anything.
>>100421
You're quoting two different people. I'm >>100414, and I'm certainly a pedo.
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No.100444
>>100420
You are implying here that the cognitive faculties of a minor are equivalent to those of a 96 year old with dementia. Do you have any evidence to back this up?
Also, ability to enforce the contract is immaterial in deciding whether or not an individual is capable of consenting or not. We are talking ethics, not law.
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No.100450
The way this thread has devolved has proven OP's point.
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No.100452
>>100450
OP doesn't really have a point besides being flummoxed by a pedestrian rhetorical trick used by authoritarians.
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No.100453
>>100452
Fine, call it pedestrian.
Point still stands. Look at what this thread became. Look at how this shit keeps derailing the front page once a month, making a complete mockery of libertarianism. It's no wonder everyone has gone fascist.
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No.100454
>>100453
I guess logic doesn't matter if it's bad optics.
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No.100455
>>100453
Well, yeah. As long as a solid half of anarchists think we need to have a state in order to keep kids from having sex, anarchism will continue to be a joke.
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No.100460
Cp will always be the ultimate insta win for censorship. I've seen countless self proclaimed "libertarians" who support the NZ shooting video, loli porn, legalization of weed, etc use the same "it creates demand" "it indirectly causes harm" arguments that are being used against them when it comes to cp. If it hurts your feelings convictions go out the window.
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No.100461
>>100422
> I'm certainly a pedo
sure you are ;)
>You're saying that consent is flawed because fraud exists.
No im saying it's a fact certain people don't have the ability to understand what they are agreeing to. Most anarchists are anti military intervention so most of us would be against trying to be world police and stopping every pedophile warlord in afghanistan.. even though the state fights there and sides with the pedo warlords. The point though is that if you lived in the same community as me and you kept tricking young children into giving you their allowance there would be problems and you would be forced out of the community using either some clause in your property agreement or you would be ostracize or physically removed or whatever and anarcapistan is just an ideal and we all know it's not a fucking perfect system so if you start fucking kids eventually someone will commit violence towards you and no one will fucking care or they will support it because there are always exceptions.
>>100444
>ability to enforce the contract is immaterial in deciding whether or not an individual is capable of consenting or not.. ethics
THE POINT IS THAT IT'S UNETHICAL TO GET A FUCKING RETARD OR A BABY OR A YOUNG CHILD TO FUCKING SIGN SOME FUCKING CONTRACT OR EVEN ENTER INTO A FUCKING BUSINESS OR MONETARY TRANSACTION. ANOTHER ANECDOTE FROM MY YOUTH: A KID SOLD ME A FROG FOR 20 DOLLARS THAT I GOT FOR LUNCH MONEY AND WHEN MY MOM FOUND OUT SHE WENT TO THE KIDS HOUSE AND FORCED HIM TO GIVE BACK MY MONEY BECAUSE HE WAS OLDER THAN ME (I WAS IN 1ST GRADE.) IT*S NOT *ETHICAL* TO TREAT CHILDREN AS RESPONSIBLE AGENTS. SHOULD A YOUNG CHILD BE ABLE TO DECIDE IF THEY ARE GOING TO DONATE ORGANS?!?!?!??! SHOULD A YOUNG CHILD BE ABLE TO DECIDE IF THEY ARE GOING TO DONATE THEIR KIDNEY???? YOURE FUCKING FULL OF SHIT YOU FAGGOT FUCKNING TROLL NIGGER
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No.100462
>>100460
btw i never brought up contract enforcement or legality
the point was just from a COMMON SENSE perspective no one would fucking expect a fucking retard or a fuckng baby to uphold any kind of business agreement
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No.100463
>>100455
if you think "real" (tm) anarchism is actually fucking realistically possible within your fucking lifetime then anarchism will continue to be a joke
also it doesnt take a state to fucking murder a pedo and the rest of the community not give a fuck.. PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE
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No.100464
>>100453
it's every nigger for themself tbqh
buy bitcoin and gold
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No.100467
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No.100468
>>100461
>No im saying it's a fact certain people don't have the ability to understand what they are agreeing to.
What I'm saying is that your test for whether or not someone is ready for sex doesn't make any attempt to test whether they have the ability to understand what they're agreeing to. I have literally met 20 year olds who have no idea where babies come from (Holy shit, Mormons are fucking crazy). Can they meaningfully consent to sex? I don't think so, and it doesn't sound like you think so, either. And yet your test gives them a free pass to be taken advantage of, while prohibiting someone 15 or 17 years old (depending on where you live) with all the knowledge of the mechanics of the act and the potential dangers from willingly having sex with whomever they choose.
Yes, I fully expect that in ancapistan, someone who rapes somebody's daughter will get shot. That's hopefully true regardless of her age. At the same time, if some 17 year old (or 15 year old, or 11 year old) girl is talking in class about how she had sex for the first time last night and how amazing it was, and her teacher overhears, she shouldn't have to go through the ordeal of having to testify against her own lover and seeing him sent to prison to be raped to death.
>>100463
I don't get why you and other people in this thread think that having a government to ban minors from having sex is a good thing, when that same government prevents you from just going out with a gun and shooting pedos all day long.
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No.100470
>>100468
i never said there should be some "test" my point is that it's totally subjective but i was offering examples of why you can't take consent from a child seriously
>that having a government to ban minors from having sex is a good thing
minors having sex can mean different things btw and some of them are definitely bad like a baby or and 11 year old prebuscent child getting fucked but i never said i like that government has that power but my point was that you have less of a chance of creating ancapistan if you spend your time arguing about what ancapistan is going to be like
anway you are wasting my fucking time
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No.100471
>>100468
>hurr durr babies should be able to sign up for a bank account
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No.100472
>>100468
> seeing him sent to prison to be raped to death.
they should make porn of pedos getting raped to death in prison lol that would be hawt
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No.100473
>>100468
After watching enough porn i've come to the conclusion that women never mentally develop enough to comprehend the consequences of sex, all sex is exploitation. But which is worse, a 14 year old getting married to a 25 year old man with a stable career, or an 18 year old getting gangbanged for $200. Most women are going to make bad decisions if you let them. Preventing women from getting married at a young age likely increases their chances of being abused.
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No.100474
>>100473
> 14 year old getting married to a 25 year old man with a stable caree
no 25 year old with a stable career is going to choose a 14 year old unless they are mentally deranged
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No.100475
>>100473
>Preventing women from getting married
marriage doesnt mean shit you statist
>increases their chances of being abused.
if you really are a pedo that almost makes snes because you think that women are children and need proteccting.. probably because you have an inferiority complex and part of you knows that adult women aren't actually dependent so that doesnt satisfy your pathetic low self esteem coping mechanism
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No.100476
>>100473
>After watching enough porn
yeah because porn, an online video of sexual *fantasy,* is what you should base your entire views of women on
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No.100477
>>100474
Why the hell wouldn't they marry a youthful virgin?
>>100475
Are you a woman or something? I don't care much about protecting women, but the argument that making them wait until 18 to find a partner is "for their own good" is bullshit.
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No.100479
>>100477
>youthful virgin?
because it's stigmatized and any self respecting male wouldnt fucking take that chance especially if they had money
and.. MOST MEN DONT FIND UNDER DEVELOPED VIRGINS ATTRACTIVE… ONLY A SICK FUCK LIKE YOU WOULD WANT AN INEXPERIENCED CHILD AS A SEXUAL PARTNER
(but youre not actually a pedo and just trolling i know)
> I don't care much about protecting women
that was your whole gambit at first that you want to fuck children to protecc them
>"for their own good" is bullshit.
you think there is an ulterior motive??? regardless of the exact age the point is that at some point people aren't old enough to make decisions themself
stop
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No.100480
>>100477
im filtering you because youve wasted wayy too much of time
maybe next time be useful and troll /leftypol/
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No.100481
>>100479
>because it's stigmatized
Exactly right, becasuse society and laws say they can't.
My argument is that if you're trying to defend AOC laws because they reduce the harm towards girls, that it's actually having the opposite effect.
>>100480
So you are a woman.
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No.100484
>>100470
Your "test" is simple: Are you above an arbitrary age that I've set based on no empirical evidence whatsoever? (Y/N). It's a pretty terrible test that makes no actual attempt to determine whether the subject is actually "ready" to have sex (whatever that means) or not. Instead, why don't you try identifying the specific traits or knowledge that you think adults have and children don't, and then devising a test to determine whether someone is ready for sex or not based on that?
>some of them are definitely bad like a baby or and 11 year old prebuscent child getting fucked
Why are those things necessarily bad? Why is it a bad thing for a woman to have sex with a baby? What if a man happens to be poorly endowed and a certain 11 year old girl happens to be sufficiently developed to accommodate him? What doom do you foretell will befall them if they have sex? Presumably, if two people (of any age) were having sex and one of them found it to be particularly uncomfortable or even painful, that person would say something to indicate that, like "stop, that hurts." At that point, if the other partner stops, it's unlikely that there will be any lasting damage. If the other partner doesn't stop, then it becomes rape, which is already illegal regardless of age.
If you really think that no child would ever knowingly agree to have sex with an adult, why have an age of consent at all? Why not rely solely on rape laws? Or do you think it should legal to rape adult women?
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No.100489
>>100479
In glorious Ancapistan, women would go to private schools where they would learn to write properly.
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No.100500
>>100454
Non ironical yes.
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No.100501
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No.100505
>>99897
The jews took down their own CP manufacturing studios in the early 2000s, and started a global witch hunt against pedophilia, so that they could get away with signing in the most draconian copyright and censorship laws as of yet, which will give them full control over the internet. Meanwhile the jewish mafia CP distribution network operating out of Ukraine was not only never touched by any investigation, but is protected by Europe, the US and Russia authorities, who use it to make money on the side, as a blackmail avenue, and as a convenient tool to prevent anyone into investigating their other digital crimes, because hiding them behind CP makes it illegal to look into. And now in 2019, and with copyright fully secured as well as the internet on it's deathbed, they can finally start pushing pedophilia back into the mainstream like they always wanted, which is why the Ukraine connection is pushing child abuse material onto the web like crazy for the last five or so years.
And before anyone asks…no there is nothing anyone can do to help any child in danger, unless you drop a nuke on israel. shalom.
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No.100506
>>100480
In a way, he is being useful, because this thread is pointing how fucking weak libertarianism is. This is the kind of troll that should be dispatched with ease and the thread should've died a week ago. Instead, this stains the front page and is beginning to become what people first see when they are memed into the existence of libertarianism at all.
I have my issues with monarchism, but at least I don't see a cp discussion when I view their board.
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No.100513
>>100505
All these pedo rings are truly scary, you can't even talk about them without getting suicided or something. Really wakes you up into the fucked up reality of letting governments do what they want and run wild.
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No.100562
>>100506
Yet you are still unable to make an argument other than crying "troll". If this thread was on any other board it would have been deleated. Seeing as that's what you want, why not find another board? There are pleanty where discussion of uncomfortable topics is not allowed.
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No.100563
>>100562
You're right. Fuck /liberty/. Bye.
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No.100664
The Rind study blows every argument for the age of consent out of the water, and most of you have no idea what it is. Fewer still will actually Google it.
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No.100666
>>100664
cia nigger honeypot b8
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No.100742
>>100666
Nice trips, Father of Lies.
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No.100757
>>100664
Technically, it would only blow empirical arguments out of the water. Even then, it doesn't really go so far as to claim adult-minor relationships aren't harmful, only that there's sufficient evidence that other researchers should control for incest and force in their studies of outcomes of childhood sexual experiences. The paper is actually quite tame, which is part of why it's so remarkable that it drew such widespread ire after being published.
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No.100778
>>100757
what do you think about
>Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Children From Sex
?
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No.100794
>>100778
Clancy is a fucking retard who's careful to remind readers five times every page that even though there's little to no evidence that sex in itself is harmful to children, it's still immoral and potentially quite harmful through secondary mechanisms. Her argument is that we should destigmatize the "victims" of pedophilia, but not pedophiles themselves. This can only be interpreted as exactly the kind of slippery slope argument that pedo-haters fear even more than outright support of pedophilia, since the only logical conclusion is that after "victims" have been destigmatized and the mechanism of harm removed, there's no longer any reason to persecute pedophiles.
The information in the book is quite good though, if you ignore all of the insufferable moralizing. All that aside, I'm always amused by how work by card-carrying pedo haters like Susan Clancy and Lenore Skenazy is held up as a silver bullet capable of disproving any argument against adult-child sexual relations. At least it's better than pedos holding up Cantor's p-hacked quackery as some sort of supporting argument.
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No.100812
>>100794
so is susan clancy a pedo hater? :o
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No.100816
>>100812
Obviously. Do you even read the books you recommend to people?
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No.100835
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No.100842
>>99897
> there's a lot of people who come onto this board and meme "BUt whAt IF thE chILd COnsENts,"
No there are'nt, and in here we all know that women can't consent - they exist to be raped and giving them freedom destroy societies.
"we all" as in the humans, the regulars, not subhumans invasors like
>>99950
>>100362
>>100474
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No.100843
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No.100844
>>100843
wow you sure proved him wrong
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No.100845
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No.100872
>>100794
I don't think she\s a retard at all. I think she's smart enough to say the things that will keep her from being Bruce Rind 2: Electric Boogaloo so she can make money.
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No.100897
>>100872
>I think she's smart enough to say the things that will keep her from being Bruce Rind 2: Electric Boogalo
Except that's exactly what happened to her, because everyone interpreted her book as being the thin of the wedge toward normalizing pedophilia (which is exactly what it is). She's published literally nothing in the ten years since The Trauma Myth. No books, no journal articles, not even a blog that a brief google search turns up.
…And then, as soon as I typed this post I realized that I was originally asked about Harmful to Minors and not The Trauma Myth. God damn, I feel like a dumbass. Anyway, I'm much more sympathetic to Levine than I am toward Clancy. She actually had the balls to come out and say that kids having sex (even with adults) isn't necessarily a bad thing, and we should be more concerned with where and how it happens than with trying to prevent it entirely. And honestly, it worked out a lot better for her. I'm not really sure how exactly, especially considering that her book was published in the wake of the Rind fiasco, but I'm guessing that a lot of it had to do with the fact that she's a journalist and not a scientist. Controversial science gets you defunded, but controversial reporting gets you readership.
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No.100931
>>100479
>protecc
Don't you dare try to pretend to be a crab while spewing your "heirarchies of sexual worth" hate-shit, ass munch.
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No.100932
<last post on this board was 7 hours ago
Do you all go to bed at the same time or what?
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No.100957
>>100932
>tfw your parents won't let you shitpost after 6pm
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No.100960
>>100932
It's as if we all work jobs on the week days.
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No.100971
>>100957
kek
>>100960
It's as if you all work, sleep, and post at same time and your schedule is synchronized. Is this what they meant by "spontaneous order"?
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No.100973
>>100971
Well, I am awake different times, but hardly every day. Sometimes, I don't post for months at a time, before I go on another spree.
Most regulars here are Americans, who work one job or another. Not aware we have Yuropoors besides me.
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No.100976
>>100501
It's true. Also, you should wonder why the entire WORLD CIVILIZATION in the 21st CENTURY, has nothing else on it's mind than………..CP. It's a joke. It's clearly an elite agenda to keep the police state intact.
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No.100978
>>100976
There's nothing wrong with CP at all if you are objective about it.
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No.100979
>>100978
Anti-CP is a Neocon and Neoliberal agenda, that serves the Elite.
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No.100981
>>100979
CP didn't matter before September 11 2001. Then it suddenly became an agenda item, that requires all government attention. So the USA and Isreal are behind the anti-CP agenda.
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No.100984
>>100981
The culprits are the USA and Israel. The same menace that is operating at feverish levels, today.
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No.101092
Just physically remove the roastie scum and the normalcucks and this won't be a problem anymore.
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No.101221
>>101092
What's the best tool for that?
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No.101224
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No.101306
>>101221
Recreational McNukes.
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No.101409
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No.101412
>>101409
This should be required reading for /pol/. Board quality would skyrocket overnight.
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No.101474
>>101409
thanks i will give it a try
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No.101475
>>101409
This is excellent.
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No.101516
>>101409
>Actual pedophilia, i.e. attraction to prepubescents, is both rare and overwhelmingly homosexual.
citation needed
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No.101814
Imagine getting angry when you see a female child. Anti-pedos are a danger for society, good thing they never leave their basement. Still, anti-pedos should be physically removed from the planet to assure women's safety.
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No.101815
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
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No.101860
>>101221
removing the welfare state
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