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Ya'll need Mises.

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 No.87559 [Last50 Posts]

alright lets get right into it

how does /liberty/ feel about jews

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 No.87560

>>87559

They are masters of kikery.

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 No.87562

hardworking people with a rich culture. some are based

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 No.87569

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>>87559

Honestly they're caught in a self-destructive loop. I don't think kikes are necessarily bad people (I know some faggot Jews who are good people for the most part), or that there's some sort of international Jewish plan afoot, I think their behavior is mostly self-destructive though. Basically it's…

>Kike doesn't want to see return of Holocaust or getting kicked out of all of Europe or whatever

>Pushes degenerate shit thinking that the multicult personality will save them from that situation

>Doesn't realize they're perpetuating the exact shit that got them kicked out of countries in the first place

I think a lot of international Jewry and high-position Jewry is mostly just Jews preferring in-group signaling after their great grandpa kiked their way into the position they're in. I think the elite in general can't connect with the average person (and has little desire to do so) so it makes sense that they don't see the effects of their stupid policies when they're isolated from it all.

tl;dr- there's no Jewish agenda, but there is a subconscious kikery afoot around Jews that they're largely not in control of.

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 No.87624

>>87559

Fuck off back to >>>/pol/, stormfag

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 No.87629

Wouldn't lift a finger to help (((them))),if /pol/ decided to start the race war, however I would advocate for private death camps, instead of state owned death camps.

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 No.87630

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>>87569

>tl;dr- there's no Jewish agenda, but there is a subconscious kikery afoot around Jews that they're largely not in control of.

Seems reasonable to me.

>>87624

What are you doing here then?

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 No.87632

>>87559

They control a large percent of the world's population known as "Boomers" to do their biding.

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 No.87633

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>>87624

And you fuck off back to /trannypol/, reddit, or whatever shithole you crawled out from.

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 No.87634

>>87559

I am one, AMA.

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 No.87637

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>>87559

>how does /liberty/ feel about jews

In general I just find them to be an annoying and disgraceful people. That's not to say there aren't a few based ones or that my opinion on them warrants some sort of massive crime but they very rarely assimilate to any host population. This causes immediate problems as they do tend to have a habit of trying to undermine and even rob the general population.

Put simply Jewish interests do not always coincide with the general person's interests in any nation, whether it's in terms of one's own property and livelihood. This can easily be seen with modern mainstream media today or even the values that Hollywood attempts to put out (often to complete failure in the financial sense, the Star Wars movies are a good example of this) or their advocacy of open borders. This combined with the fact that most of them are horribly inbred and are virtually not without some sort of mental disorder creates some of the most disgusting people (physically, psychologically and morally) to walk the earth.

Again that's not to say there aren't a few based ones, but the ones that are based (such as Rothbard) tend to not even practice Judaism or altogether show a complete preference for European culture (again, Rothbard was a huge fan of German culture which made his relationship with Hans Hermann Hoppe that much better and then there's also Ludwig Von Mises himself).

>>87624

How about you fuck off and learn to stop sucking cock? If we have to tolerate retarded communists and soyboys like you then 'stormfags' are really just as welcome.

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 No.87638

>>87637

>but the ones that are based (such as Rothbard) tend to not even practice Judaism or altogether show a complete preference for European culture

Not only that, but I think it's interesting that one of these Jewish outliers (Paul Gottfried in this case) out right says "Yes, Cultural Marxism has inherently Jewish qualities and you can't talk about it or the Frankfurt school without legitimately invoking Judaism."

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 No.87639

>>87634

What's it like being a Boomer?

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 No.87640

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>>87638

Paul has a few interesting talks on the matter but I don't think he's ever written extensively about it. I want to get "The Strange Death of Marxism" at some point and see if he talks about it but he's definitely pretty open about it, which I find interesting.

Here's a tl;dw for anyone who doesn't want to watch his full lecture on the Jewish lobby.

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 No.87641

There are a few good ones. I like Milton and David Friedman, Rothbard, and a few others. But overall, there's way too many (((coincidences))) to think that these individuals are the rule and not the exception.

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 No.87642

>>87640

Huh, I actually didn't know Paul had full talks on the matter. I was going off of his comments on Tom Woods' recent video on the Frankfurt School.

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 No.87644

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About 3/4ths of them consistently vote for leftist policies both fiscal and social, so by that measure it wouldn't be wrong to predict I'd have issues with most. They do, however, break ranks much more often than antisemites give them credit. The concept of Jewish unity is overstated. In religion, politics, and culture nobody gets madder at Jews more than Jews that disagree with them.

"American Jews have no survival instinct. It's been bred out them."

-Michael Alan "Savage" Weiner. Right-wing talk radio show host. Referring to American Jews voting for liberal policies that affront traditional values and weaken America as a stable host nation or politicians that rub shoulders with anti-zionists and antisemitic conspiracy theorists.

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 No.87645

>>87639

Not everyone that you don't like is a boomer, kid.

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 No.87653

Depends on the individual in question. I've met plenty that are perfectly fine people, have yet to personally meet any honest-to-god shitheads.

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 No.87662

>>87559

i like them very much

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 No.88180

>>87662

0.69 shekels were disposed into your account.

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 No.88187

It's not a great look to be obsessed with jews like a lot of people get but I dislikd them in general. From an autistically basic libertarian perspective, the jews aren't to be be liked because they are largely hostile to libertarian policies. More generally, organized jewry is involved in a great deal of evil from the land theft and ethnic cleansing in Palestine to neoconservative wars motivated by perceived jewish interests. The list really goes on but you've all already heard it and know about it

They are just a harmful group of people to have around. Not all of them and a lot of jews are alright but in general, their effect on their host country and the world in grneral is negative.

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 No.88189

>>88187

You literally don't know what you're talking about. Yes, Israel has monstrous policies toward Palestinians, in expansion, bombing/war, and apartheid-style discrimination. That said, Jews were critically important to left-libertarianism and anarchism - they made up the majority of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, the American group that volunteered to fight for the Republic in the Spanish Civil War. Most American anarchists in the late 1800s were Jews. A number of critically important left-libertarian thinkers were New York jews, including Murray Bookchin, Noam Chomsky, and Howard Zinn. Aside from that, I shouldn't even have to mention how important Jews were to right wing libertarianism - Rothbard, Friedman, Rand, etc.

Have fun with all the conspiracy theories you want, but if you think Jews were against libertarianism, then you don't know shit about it.

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 No.88192

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>>88189

>left-libertarianism

A cancer that should be actively ridiculed and shunned.

>Abraham Lincoln Brigade

You mean the president who set a precedent of abusing executive power and crushing state's rights with the federal government? They pick interesting role models for a group allegedly pro-liberty.

>the American group that volunteered to fight for the Republic in the Spanish Civil War

Ah, so they were commies. That explains a lot.

>Most American anarchists in the late 1800s were Jews.

Most anarchists pre-Rothbard were pie-in-the-sky morons who thought private property would disappear by fairy magic after the state was abolished.

>Murray Bookchin, Noam Chomsky, and Howard Zinn.

You're just making my point for me now.

>Rothbard, Friedman, Rand, etc.

The exception, no the rule. As stated up here, >>87640, Paul Gottfried himself rather freely admits that the Frankfurt school has undeniable Jewish roots, and that as a demographic Juden swing left and neocon more than they do libertarian. And while it's true that the percentage of chosen who are right-wing is higher than that of other minorities thanks to higher IQ, this group is still dwarfed by the progressives and the neocon members of the tribe.

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 No.88194

>>88192

You're authoritarian at heart. It's only a matter of time before you flip.

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 No.88195

>>88194

Point to where I said something authoritarian.

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 No.88197

>>88195

You literally just revealed your contempt for 95% of the libertarian movement's history. When you talk about Abraham Lincoln "crushing state's rights," you're obviously referring to the abolition of slavery. Admit it, you're a fashy little piggy.

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 No.88199

On the Jews: They have too much power. The fact that there exists a "Jewish Lobby", the outrageous connections to Israel (despite numerous backstabbings) and the overall existence of (((stein))) and (((berg))) in all kinds of dark endeavors leads one to believe that they're a negative influence on the nation. They also seem to be predisposed to Communism and all Communists are poison to a free people. The ideology colonizes the mind and turns the host into some kind of living dead monster only fit to deconstruct the society in which they live. For these reasons and more I do not look positively on the Jews, I should like to be free of them.

>>88197

Lincoln affirming that the so-called states in the USA have absolutely no right to self governance is authoritarian. What he was referencing specifically is irrelevant; drugs, slaves, suicide, genocide, fishing, taxes, T-shirt sizes, breast cup sizes, interventionism, charity, doesn't matter. You know that, though, you're just saying some gay shit and trying to make him look bad, probably because you're a Communist and you hate it when people point it out.

Also there is no relevance of "revealing contempt" for the "libertarian movement" with regards to being authoritarian or not. He could hate literally everything called libertarian and still love freedom and hate taxes and the men who levy them.

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 No.88201

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>>87559

Genital mutilation is heinous, and those who practice it have been deceived by Satan. I also dislike the inherent superiority complex that allows 666-Jews to treat the Goyim like cattle. Jews are almost always promoters of societal cancer muh attractive white women X ugly nigger outside Israel and all Jews should be deported to their homeland. No problem with the Sabbath as a day or rest or Kosher though.

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 No.88203

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 No.88204

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>>88203

>>88201

Oh an elite 666-Jews, worshipers of the inverted Saturn, like Kushner, Soros and the Redsheilds, want a mulatto-nigger-chink world that they can easily control because of the general low Intelligence and global homogeneity.

'Diversity' as it is pushed now will result in the destruction of the whites first then the Asians. The black race will survive, and it's mulatto offshoots… but will be kept like cattle. The only way true diversity can exist is via separate nations.

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 No.88206

>Wealthy billionaires deserve to keep every penny they make because they earned it all providing a needed service or selling a wanted product that consumers value. To suggest their wealth should in any way be confiscated and redistributed is highly immoral and questionable.

<Jews are only successful because of nepotism and should be deported or ostracized so they don't have a negative influence on the country

t. "Freedom-Minded Individual"

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 No.88207

>>88199

What he was referring to was completely relevant. From a pragmatic standpoint, allowing slavery is much more authoritarian than going against state's rights.

You're also very confused about the Jewish lobby, since you frame it as if their connections to Israel are an additional outrageous thing. The Jewish lobby is literally just about military and financial support for Israel. Yes, that's bad, but that's literally what the "Jewish lobby" is.

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 No.88209

>>88197

You didn't point to anything, faggot

>When you talk about Abraham Lincoln "crushing state's rights," you're obviously referring to the abolition of slavery. Admit it, you're a fashy little piggy.

>What he was referring to was completely relevant. From a pragmatic standpoint

In other words, in your view the ends justify the means (a quintessentially socialist argument), and the fact that Lincoln's actions set precedent for Woodrow Wilson, FDR, and countless others to beat the country into submission with the executive power should be ignored, because one of the byproducts of all this shit happened to be positive. But no, keep calling me "piggy" and other /leftypol/ buzzwords, I'm sure if you do it enough it will all somehow coalesce together into an actual argument.

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 No.88210

>>87559

jews control the mainstream media, some corporations and a large faction of the US government, and indoctrinate their children with anti-liberty ideas. however, they are not sub-human, not every single jew is a statist just like not every single nigger is a rapist, and therefore gassing jews is an NAP violation for exactly the same reason helicoptering commies is. If you want a centralized military for the purposes of forced segregation, kike extermination, commie control and general 1488ery, please go be a fascist somewhere else.

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 No.88215

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>>88209

Lincoln may have undermined freedom in the sense of state rights within the USA, but at the very least he wanted to go after the (((banks))) and deport the blacks to 'murrica in Africa aka Liberia. The southern leaders were just using the unlanded whites to fight their war against industrialization. Having blacks in your nation even as slaves never works out well. Haiti is the prime example.

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 No.88216

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>>88210

Deporting the Jews to their territory is however within the NAP. Jews also routinely violate the NAP. If this is not punished, libertarians mind as well be cuckservatives.

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 No.88225

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>>88221

The Redsheilds are the world shadow monarchs.

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 No.88226

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 No.88234

>>88216

My territory rests squarely in the majority white country where I have lived, studied, loved, and worked my whole life. I'm ain't going anywhere to satisfy idiocy. Come on and try to deport me to a shitty little basket case in the middle east that I don't understand or know, though, and you'll learn first hand why Americans treasure their 2nd amendment.

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 No.88251

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>>88234

That's one sentimental story you got there, but don't pretend to wonder why people wouldn't want you in their countries and communities if you guys consistently fail to express shame on behalf of your people or criticize them for committing one atrocity after another.

>inb4 don't blame me for shit other people did, goy!

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 No.88258

>>88209

But you haven't made a single coherent argument yourself.

>>88251

That's moronic. There's no reason to be ashamed of the people, but Jews have been a VERY vocal part of the protests against the Israeli occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, as well as the BDS movement. You don't know what you're talking about.

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 No.88265

>>88258

>But you haven't made a single coherent argument yourself.

>no u XDDDD

Your 'argument', such as it was, is to claim that jews dindu nuffin and are as a demographic pro-liberty by pointing to a bunch of left-libertarian and neocon jews. My rebuttal is to assert that "left" libertarianism has nothing to do with freedom and it's disingenuous to consider these people pro-liberty, and you're legitimately retarded if you consider Noam Chomsky to be a part of "libertarian history." You did manage to name a couple genuine jewish libertarians, but those are the exception to the Jew's trends as a demographic, and aren't representatives of most jews.

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 No.88272

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>>88258

First of all, Israelis and American/European Jews are completely different people both ethnically and even religiously.

Second, you can't pretend to be individualists when it counts, saying shit like "it wasn't me, I wasn't there" but always acknowledging the accomplishments of other Jews. If Einstein was the greatest scientist to have ever lived, you will prudly call him a Jew, but if Lenin caused the Bolshevik Revolution and his government killed millions of people, then he's not a Jew but a Russian.

It's hypocrisy. The only Jew I know who has ever called out other Jews for their kikery was Kubrick.

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 No.88280

>>88272

>It's hypocrisy. The only Jew I know who has ever called out other Jews for their kikery was Kubrick.

Check out Paul Gottfried, he's a cool guy. He names his own people and doesn't afraid of anything.

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 No.88300

>>88251

>That's one sentimental story you got there

It's an ultimatum. Test it at your own risk. I'm a law-abiding lifelong citizen and any effort to uproot me from my property will result in bloodshed and dead removers. End of discussion.

>but don't pretend to wonder why people wouldn't want you in their countries and communities

Ignorance and demagoguery? Nothing legitimate… the contributions of Jews to science, medicine, economics, and numerous other fields is not to be discounted. Next!

>you guys consistently fail to express shame on behalf of your people

I have nothing of which to be ashamed, cuck. I'm responsible for myself and will not take seriously attempts to judge me as part of a group I was born into. It is irrational and people who do so are not to be respected. Not gonna start self-flagellating Jewish guilt just because white guilt has been such a twisted trend. Deal with it. Or don't and stay mad. I don't care.

>or criticize them for committing one atrocity after another

I would if they were legit atrocities and not third world ass-kissing and hypocritical NEETsocs afflicted by Error Push BAAAAAAW'ing. Fuck off with your blood libel.

>inb4 don't blame me for shit other people did, goy!

Fuck your "inb4." I'm gonna assert it anyway and there's nothing you can do about it. I am not accountable for what other people did and will not suffer measures taken against me based on what other people have done. McFucking kill yourself, punk. Or try to punish me because of what Moishe Goldstein did and I'll do it for you.

>>88272

Sorta helps that Einstein was fully Jewish on both sides of his family while Lenin was quarter Jew but nice historical fallacy all the same. Anti-semitism rooted in stupidity? Yeah, sounds about right. Get lost…

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 No.88302

>>88300

>all this boomer butthurt

Chill the fuck out, old kike. The fact is that it would not be a matter of cuckoldry on your part, but a matter of self-respect that if you truly despise the things that these other Jews do, then you would try as hard as possible to distance yourself from them and reassure people that you think those other guys are scum, that they are a shame to all Jews, and that you don't support whatever they're doing. Maybe collective responsibility isn't completely fair, but whether you like it or not, it's a very reliable survival mechanism people turn to when they feel like they got pushed too far.

When most acts of terrorism that you hear about are committed by Muslims, you honestly can't blame people for thinking that all Muslims are terrorists and for not wanting them in their countries, the difference is that even Muslims are willing to tell you that what those terrorists are doing is #notrealIslam and that #notall Muslims are like that and that they are ashamed of them, but Jews will never do that, you want to be accepted unconditionally no matter what reputation you have (and yes, reputation will be a thing in Ancapistan, Shlomo).

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 No.88305

>>88302

>boomer

<lel ya'll OLD

Back to halfchan, brainlet.

>then you would try as hard as possible to distance yourself from them and reassure people that you think those other guys are scum, that they are a shame to all Jews, and that you don't support whatever they're doing

Bullshit. The type of people who would do me harm just for being Jewish don't want to hear it. They are immune to logic and reason because they only think in tribal terms. I've tried it in the past… all they do is say "we can't trust a kike so you have to go to Israel anyway." I'm done apologizing for other people to ingratiate myself to statist retards who will never respect me for it. Just leave me in peace and we'll get along fine. No? Well, violate the NAP at your own risk.

>but whether you like it or not, it's a very reliable survival mechanism people turn to when they feel like they got pushed too far.

No it isn't. It's dumb and irrational. Actual history is fraught with examples of people blaming a useful minority for its problems and then losing what the persecuted people brought to the community when they were made scapegoats. I ain't just talking about Jews either… look at what demagoguery and bigotry did to the overseas Chinese in SEA, the Indians in Africa, the Japanese in Brazil… it goes on and it most certainly is NOT a "reliable survival mechanism." Quite the opposite in fact.

>you honestly can't blame people for thinking that all Muslims are terrorists

I can and I do. I can do this because I'm not a dumbass.

>and for not wanting them in their countries

There are real mainstream religious and cultural manifestos in Islam and Islamic countries that justify, encourage, and pardon terror. Not the same case with Jews unless you take forgeries and fake Talmud verses at face value. So no, these situations are quite different and only the historically illiterate would insist they're so similar.

>the difference is that even Muslims are willing to tell you that what those terrorists are doing is #notrealIslam and that #notall Muslims are like that and that they are ashamed of them

Yeah, and how does that work out for them? Exactly…

>but Jews will never do that

We don't need to and it's pointless to do so. I don't owe you any apologies. Deal with it.

>you want to be accepted unconditionally no matter what reputation you have

Listen, nigger, I am ONLY going to accept my "reputation" if it's based on what I've actually said and done and not what you think I'm going to say or do based on what other people somewhat related to me or with a similar last name have said or done. Case closed. End of discussion.

>(and yes, reputation will be a thing in Ancapistan, Shlomo)

Same applies to you, spaz boy.

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 No.88311

>>87559

A problem with liberty is its inability to properly deal with threats.

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 No.88316

File: 0e267af37a4c5d0⋯.jpg (48.43 KB,794x504,397:252,1492315820242.jpg)

>>88311

t. a threat

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 No.88319

>>88316

>ancap hates order

>ancap think fascists and commies are the same thing

>ancap hates commies

>ancap defends fascists

>Anarco Capitalist

Why. Why do you ancraps lick the boots of the fascists? They would murder your subhuman ass you know.

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 No.88322

>>88319

>ancap hates commies

>Anarco Capitalist

only these statements are true from this post

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 No.88342

>>88319

They are fascists. Some are certainly naive, but the thinking ones know damn well "anarcho-capitalism" leads to a feudalistic society just ripe for fascist dictatorships

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 No.88347

>>88319

>ancap hates order

Bullshit. I could stop reading right there.

>ancap think fascists and commies are the same thing

Almost.

>ancap hates commies

Very true.

>ancap defends fascists

We are only implicitly allied with fascists because despite being brainlets, they do have good intentions, for the most part we disagree with their methods, not their goals. Also, they do genuinely hate other leftists and make for good cannon fodder in the fight against them, although if they wouldn't agree to live peacefully in our free and voluntary, then they will be physically removed like everyone else.

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 No.88349

File: 1d3f83701306575⋯.jpg (893.99 KB,1632x2200,204:275,mormonsmith.jpg)

>>88319

> ancap hates order

Nope. Quite the opposite.

> ancap think fascists and commies are the same thing

Both violate my privacy, my property, etc. They're not the same thing of course. but the damage that they do to society, the economy, and the very fabric of the nation at large is quite similar.

> ancap hates commies

Correct!

> ancap defends fascists

Uhm no, just because you call it 'fascist' doesn't mean that it actually is. I know that's a revolutionary concept to you, considering you figure everything to the right of you to be 'fascist', but I think once you grow a little older you'll realize that it's simply not the way things work.

>>88342

>They are fascists.

> muh ancap Feudalistic society

Could you make a post that's not completely and utterly retarded? I know you're incapable of making an argument beyond "m-muh read proudhon", but at least TRY to say something that's actually correct or vaguely in line with reality at the least.

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 No.88387

>>87559

the good ones are alright.

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 No.88388

File: b5f5cf615b9dc30⋯.jpg (233.23 KB,2000x1000,2:1,1438896814561.jpg)

An ethnicity with good and bad people, like any other.

Apparently they have high verbal IQ, according to some studies.

Anyone who hates all jews is either an indoctrinated muslim or spends too much time on /pol/ and should stop.

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 No.88390

>>88388

>christcuck

>likes his jewish masters

No surprise!

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 No.88391

File: 74cd154faee07e0⋯.png (454.78 KB,611x529,611:529,1504312301856.png)

>>88390

>I have no arguments so here, have a boogieman

This is the exact reaction that I expected.

Go back to masturbating to hitler pictures, fascist scum.

>>>/pol/

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 No.88392

>>88391

>pol

We're all libertarians here. Almost all…

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 No.88395

File: 6a1eb8fbe973ea1⋯.gif (1.64 MB,320x188,80:47,Ron Paul Listening.gif)

>>88316

So instead of argument, you supply a shitpost. gg m9

I miss 4chan. I miss old /pol/. I want to go back.

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 No.88408

File: fc2ba87f1872aae⋯.png (296.95 KB,960x436,240:109,24174681_1518961504838830_….png)

>>88395

So go back. No one's keeping you here by force.

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 No.88409

>>88391

I don't understand how or why a Christian would defend jews.

>Ye are of your father the Devil

>Synagogue of Satan

Do you not believe that they worship a false God? Do you not believe that doing such is devil worship? I understand if you're coming from the standpoint of "if they fuck off I don't care", but to claim they are good people goes against my understanding of the religion. I might go as far as to say it's considered heretical. Devil worshipping makes someone a bad person, no exceptions. Only through Christ are they able to redeem themselves.

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 No.88410

>>88409

Because their religion is Jewish. Christianity was invented as a religion for goys.

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 No.88411

>>88408

Picrelated is a strawman though, as commies have already started actively harming others. NAP =/= pacifism. Most ancaps do dislike the idea of deliberately hunting commies as such a goal can create an authority that can be abused or even create a state. I can see this as a private project though, given they have no protection or have their own state we can even call it a safari.

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 No.88412

>>88411

I completely agree.

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 No.88435

>>88411

They did not harm anyone, they were just rightfully defending their property, which is everything outside of the gulag.

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 No.88436

>>88410

>Yes goy believe that we are evil incarnate and read this book that repeatedly warns you about our evil ways

>Good goy we jews are all going to burn in hell

>That's right goy our star is the sign of Satan and we mark ourselves with the mark of the beast. you need to learn this goyim so that you can identify and attack us easier

I shouldn't have mentioned it

but that is a simply stupid thing to say

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 No.88440

>>88436

>muh based book of jewish lies

>muh 666 = star of david

>muh synagogue of satan

You wouldn't let kikes into your house, don't let them into your heart.

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 No.88450

>>88440

>muh 666 = star of remphan

ftfy

Irregardlessly, seeing greentext and conjecture as the only viable means of attacking what was said is reassuring.

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 No.88737

File: 6551d1d0eca4d77⋯.jpg (176.2 KB,1041x1679,1041:1679,EFu2fy5.jpg)

>>87559

It really is best to judge on an individual basis.

If we're talking about some skinny balding Marxist jew professor wearing problem glass and sandals than yeah that kike would be a problem to me. Where I draw the line is this idea that if an idea (no matter how much you initially agree with it) was created by a jew, than you should force yourself to disagree with it outright. it grinds my gears when I find a thread on /pol/ arguing against libertarianism and all it is, is pictures of Rothbard, Ayn Rand, and Mises next to a yellow star of David and an irrelevant pro Israel quote (which knowing /pol/ may or may not be a real quote) passed off as a reason to reject everything they have ever said or written about their ideologies and economic principles. "hey did you know that the guy who came up with that was a (((((((((((((((((((((JEEEEEEEEEEW))))))))))))))))))))?" is not a argument.

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 No.92441

>>88300

>judge me as part of a group I was born into

> I'm responsible for myself

> I am not accountable for what other people did

>measures taken against me based on what other people have done

>try to punish me because of what Moishe Goldstein did

This is exactly the problem I have with Jews. Jewish people affirm one thing that their group is impervious too, and damn another to it in a double standard.

>Don't blame me for what my people did

<Whites must be blamed for what their people did

>Isreal deserves a state of borders and uniform ethnicity

<Jewish politicians say US needs open borders and diverse ethnicity

>Jewish people must emphasize unite to further their interests, as their interests are for good

<whites cannot unite, and their interests are a banality

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 No.92442

>>88737

>it really is best to judge on an individual basis

Go walk in South Africa at night, and tell me you are going to judge those people on their individual basis. You need balance between individual assessment vs rightful prejudice. For the jewish, it is good to apply an assumption due to their predilection to historical and current destruction like what has been discussed earlier in this thread.

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 No.92446

>>92442

It's not about 'balance", mr enlightened centrist, it's about correct application of statistical information. If you don't know a person they it's completely rational to treat him based on the info you can know, i.e. appearance, race, speech, mimics, etc, but if you continue to see these prejudices even if you observe person acting completely differently past the point of reasonable doubt you are showing nothing but weak minded shortsightedness.

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 No.92455

>>92441

Well, don't expect logical consistency in statist arguments.

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 No.92458

File: 2365cee00fe86ef⋯.jpg (228.44 KB,1497x559,1497:559,image.jpg)

>>88737

>why does /pol/ not like mises?

Pic related is a good start.

>why does /pol/ not like rand?

"racism is the crassest version of collectivism" t. ayn rand.

>why does /pol/ not like rothbard?

The whole "selling children" thing.

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 No.92459

>>88305

>>88300

>>88234

Check out this based ancap jew.

>how dare you white fascist bigots not want a delicate flower like me in your country! The goyishe nerve!

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 No.92474

That depends. Are you talking about real Torah Jews who recognize Jesus as the Messiah?

Or are you talking about the Synagogue of Satan, Talmudic rabbinical Judaism, based on the Babylonian Kabbalah?

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 No.92478

File: 6e1482ae14d0e27⋯.png (5.45 MB,4937x4966,4937:4966,israel list of shady stuff.png)

>>87559

Some are based, like Rothbard and von Mises. Of course they are not flawless, but then who is? Just take the good from them and leave the bad aside. There isn't even that much bad in them. Rothbards ideas on abortion and childrearing are pretty shit, von Mises' was too supportive of democracy. To say a word on Ayn Rand: She is a level above babby-tier. Not a bad philosopher to read, and she wasn't remotely as harmful as people make her out to be, but she is not a good philosopher to get stuck on. You gotta move on to the more advanced, that is, if you want to stick to philosophy and not specialize in economics instead after you have warmed up to pro-market philosophy.

The based ones aside, I don't like Jews. Zionism is one of the most dangerous modern ideologies, for one, and who pushes it? Mostly Jews, and the gentiles they have enarmored, partially by setting them up against the "barbarous" Muslims (the most barbarous and backwards Muslim organizations, like the Iranian regime and the Islamic State, have been set up by the Zionists to begin with). The Zionists and the Israelis actively harm Christians in the region, bar them from visiting their holy sites, oppress monks and priests, and generally act like assholes towards them, so if you're a Christian, you must oppose them. If you're a Muslim, but I doubt anyone here is, likewise.

If you're not religious at all, you should still care about Israels atrocities and its destabilizing influence, from sponsoring religious massacres and battles between Muslims and Christians to sending death squads into foreign countries like Argentina, Lebanon, and Norway. Sadly, we have this pernicious attitude among conservatives that the Middle East, like Africa, is "fucked", and that we should just "let them kill each other". The point is, the Middle East is not perpetually fucked up. Even Syria is just going through what Yugoslavia had twenty years ago, and we rightly brand it bluepilled when someone is neutral about US-intervention in the Balkan Wars because, durr, the region is already "fucked" and can't get worse. So, why not towards the Middle East? You don't have to call for foreign interventions and humanitarian aid, but if you're neutral about the prospect of dropping a nuke there, then you are shit, plain and simple.

A word on the refugees: The ones we get are generally the worst their countries of origin have to offer. The same factors that make a person criminoresistent (strong family bounds, ties to the community, etc., look up Hirschi if you want) are the ones that dissuade migration. Exceptions exist, you can decide to leave your country and not be a complete scumbag, but statistically, these factors are relevant. I said years ago in a criminology exam that we could expect to get the worst immigrants Syria has to offer, not its best and brightest. The lesson is, don't condemn the Middle East for the shit-tier refugees we import, and also - less relevant on this board, as we are not in liberal company - don't excuse bad behavior from refugees with the culture in their country, if you went around groping girls in the most backwards regions in Syria or Iraq, you'd be killed.

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 No.92480

>>87559

>>92478

>Continue

To get back to the Jews, I have nothing against them as a race. I don't buy the story that it is in their genes to lie and subvert, not when culture explains all the differences adequately. Not just that, but not all Jews are ultra-integrated tricksters, some were simple farmers, or they weren't even identified as genetically Jewish by anyone including themselves. So, why should there be a selection pressure for being manipulative? In some cases, sure, but it's not like we have any data as to how these traits are inherited, how long it takes to breed them out, etc. Racial antisemitism is a shitty ideology, sorry guys. I've read Rosenberg, and this nigger just couldn't stay consistent for the love of it. The Hussites were semitic subverters, the Huguenots were noble Aryans. It's like he threw a dice to see who was semitic and who wasn't. Evola wasn't much better in this regard (although he is a far superior philosopher generally), he somehow saw the Quraish (Mohammads tribe) as Indo-European but not the Hebrews, when the Hebrews probably had closer contact with the other Indo-European peoples than the Quraish for far longer. Israel was conquered by Rome several hundred years before Mohammad was even born, and before him, the Quraish were an irrelevant tribal society. "Muslims" are not a race any more than Christians are, that's why I went with the Quraish, and because the relevant passages Evola cited were from Mohammad himself, before, say, the Turks became Muslims.

The pernicious tendencies of the Jewish elite are, as I said, adequately explained by their cultural heritage. These are:

>Victim identity

Many peoples have been massacred and subjugated, but not all made that part of their identity. The early Christians were brutally persecuted, but far from lamenting their fate, they rejoiced in it. Read any early apology from the Christian authors, say from Tertullian, or Justin Martyr. They didn't whine about being persecuted, at times it even sounded as if they wanted to help the Emperor abstain from making himself guilty and nothing more. I go with the Christians because I am most familiar with their mentality towards the persecution, but you can also look at Armenians or, even better, the Irish. The Irish have been victimized more often than just about any other people, and do you see them whine about it? No, they earned a reputation for being troublemakers, not victims. But the Jews, they keep whining. It's part of their culture. The destruction of the ghettos, the eviction from the Iberian Peninsula, the persecution under communism and nazism, these shaped their identity. Long before that, they had the exodus, but that event didn't make them victims, they kept their dignity about it. When Israel was taken from them, that's probably when this victim complex started, and this incessant whining about how some day, daddy will come back and give them back their toy. You can tell I am no fan of this mentality.

>Tribalism

And a peculiar form of tribalism. The Jews are not merely nationalists or tribalists, the Talmud fostered the doctrine that if you don't share blood with "Gods chosen people", you are less than them. I believe this is where the Nazis got their racial views from, too, because most forms of nationalism or chauvinism at the time had nothing to do with that kind of racialism (and also because the "Lebensraum" doctrine reminds me of Zionism - which was growing strong at the same time as racial antisemitism). The French Revolution was as nationalistic as it gets but the Revolutionaries did not say that every race but the French was destined to serve them. The Nazis, they did that, and I think they got this idea from the Jews, who basically said the same thing about themselves.

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 No.92481

>>92480

>>92478

>Continue

>Cosmopolitanism

Of course Jews don't like national borders, they were kicked out of Israel and never found a home for themselves afterwards. To a German, the difference between him, the Czech, the Frenchies and the Swiss are all relevant, but to the Jews, they are all "gentiles", just as we wouldn't care very much about the difference between the Zulu, the Somalis and the !Kang if you dropped us anywhere in Africa. This, and the fact that the Jews are spread over the globe, means that they will tend to detest borders of all sorts. What have they to gain from maintaining cultural and ethnical purity in any nation? Just the (real or perceived) danger of being more easily identified as outsiders and hunted down for it.

>Materialism

That is probably the least relevant factor, but I just gotta mention it. We all know the Jews were driven into banking by the (misguided!) ban on usury in the Middle Ages. Furthermore, they don't - to my knowledge - have a tradition of asceticism. Asceticism, in the West, is an Orthodox and Catholic tradition, but what have Jews got to do with it? They, like many sects of protestants, had less reason to consider that materialism might not be all there is to this life. So, they will be more likely to be concerned with income, profit, and material wealth, whether as capitalists or as socialists. But the issue goes deeper than greed or lust for profit. Jews are not very spiritual, from what I have seen. They are overly concerned with the rules and laws of their religion, they are exoteric, but not at all esoteric. I have a Jewish friend, and while she tries to follow the rules of her religion, she also looks for loopholes all the time. Meanwhile, the devout Catholic girl I know is extremely spiritual, and always was. There are worlds between both religions. And, I gotta say, protestants tend to be closer to the Jewish side of things. Hence, why "capitalism flourished" in protestant countries, or - as I see it - why their citizens got anxious to avoid every siesta that could endanger them, while the Italians or the Spaniards saw the value in chilling a little.

So, what ideologies and narratives will tend to be pushed by Jews? First, victim-driven ones (Marxism, the SJW ideology, black nationalism, anticolonialism). Second, ones that downplay national and cultural differencesand emphasize cosmopolitanism, and a "world without borders". Third, materialist ones, where spirituality and esotericism have no place. These will tend to be progressive, too, as material gain for its own sake is only satisfying when the gain keeps coming, whereas spirituality allows one to contemplate and rest in place. Furthermore, social "progress" mirrors the process of capital accumulation somewhat. They don't have the healthy Christian (Catholic and Orthodox) attitude that while the material world is good, the divine realm is infinitely more exalted. Fourth, because of their tribalism, Jews will tend to stick together and "subvert" the country they're in. That's the Machiavellian drive that they have. It is also the tendency of theirs that is most easily extinguished, simply by converting them away from their religion.

All in all, the Jews are dangerous, but they are still people, not cockroaches. You punish humans for their crimes, but you don't crush them under your boot. There is a qualitative difference here. The cockroach dies painlessly and quickly, no matter how disgusting and pernicious it is. Punishment can mean a slap on the wrist, it can also mean being burned alive. Don't let any genocidal maniac tell you that you're just a sentimental fool if you care about justice. If you think a Jews subverts your country with malicious intent (and pushing Marxism usually entails malicious intent, there is nothing "well-intentioned" in Marxism), then be my guest and execute him. But killing him simply because he had Jewish parents and is thus statistically more likely to be subversive is as ridiculous attacking against all men because statistically, they are more likely to be violent than women. That's left-wing as fuck. One last thing, massacre=!=genocide. Not even religious persecution is necessarily genocide. The massacre against the Huguenots, while unjust, was hardly genocidal. And there are some new age sects that deserve to be rooted out. The Aum-sect is already neutered, from what I know, but if it weren't, I'd be in favor of killing them in preemptive self-defense, not because they were potentially dangerous, but because they already had intent to become actually dangerous. It's the difference between a gun owner - even a quirky and a little unstable one - and one who is actually pointing his muzzle at you.

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 No.92483

>>88197

>"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that."

>Abraham Lincoln

>Letter to Horace Greeley

>22 August 1862

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 No.92484

File: 2cfab09085a0a86⋯.jpg (112.43 KB,1200x800,3:2,curb your antisemitism.jpg)

>Anglos conquer, rape, kill, pillage and enslave for centuries

>Dutch conquer, rape, kill, pillage and enslave for centuries

>Germans conquer, kill and pillage fellow Europeans ("subhuman" Poles for the most part)

>Russians conquer, rape, kill and pillage for centuries (and enslave their own fucking people in serfdom)

>Spaniards conquer, rape, kill, pillage and enslave for centuries

>virtually all other significant historical European powers did the same

<uhhhhhhhhhhh it was the government doesn't count the people dindu nuffin really nothing to see here it has NOTHING to do with the national character h-hehe these thousands of years are irrelevant cause negative stuff only apply to nonwhites lol

>jews learn to game the system after a millennia of religious persecution and acquire their share without use of force

<FUCKING KIIIIIIIKES!!! HOW DARE THEY! I CAN'T BELIEVE JEWS ARE SUCH EVIL BASTARDS!!! WHAT DID WE EVER DO TO THEM OR THE OTHER THOUSANDS OF PEOPLES (including other Europeans) THAT WE FUCKED OVER???!

I'm not going to read the autism fest and half-baked /pol/ pet theories in this thread. So tell here, why do you think I'm "evil" just because I'm Jewish?

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 No.92485

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>>92484

I'll just take the bait.

>jews learn to game the system after a millennia of religious persecution and acquire their share without use of force

And in the meantime, of course, they dindu nuffin. They totally didn't ask the Romans to persecute the Christians. And their "gaming the system" didn't involve pushing some of the most destructive ideologies the world has ever seen, like communism and - as I talked about above - racialist nationalism. And the modern state of Israel and its shenanigans? Somehow never happened.

<uhhhhhhhhhhh it was the government doesn't count the people dindu nuffin really nothing to see here it has NOTHING to do with the national character h-hehe these thousands of years are irrelevant cause negative stuff only apply to nonwhites lol

First of all, just about every nation has at some point tried to expand its borders and influence. The Romans did, the Greeks did, and if you read your Torah, you'll see that the Hebrews did, too. Look at Indian or Chinese history, and you'll see the same thing: Oppression, conquest, subjugation, you name it. Violence is hardly unique to the national character of any people in Europe. The specific form of the violence is, perhaps, but that is not relevant now. What's relevant is that your thesis that the Europeans are cruel and evilbad and that the Jews never did anything is fucking stupid, as I showed above.

Now to the one fucking stupid part that I didn't want to bring up above, because that would've been just too easy:

>Russians conquer, rape, kill and pillage for centuries (and enslave their own fucking people in serfdom)

It's called feudalism, it existed throughout Europe (and far beyond it, in fact) and not just in Russia, and no, it wasn't slavery. Slavery is slavery, serfdom is serfdom and wage labor is wage labor, not sure why people try to conflate that constantly.

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 No.92486

>>92484

>So tell here, why do you think I'm "evil" just because I'm Jewish?

Actually, I don't. The Jews aren't per se evil. It's not even like they had no good traits. I'm sure modern Europeans could learn some things from them, but I don't want none of that zionist shit in my house, thanks.

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 No.92488

>>92484

>le whites are all conquerors and probably evil XD

>Yeah, goy! Ignore the fact that every other people in the world did the exact same things, only whites are guilty of anything!

Everyone in the world had empires. Every people in the world has held slaves. Euro empires only appear "worse" becasue they were better at it and more creative than everyone else in the game. And there's one other, significant difference between Euro empires and the rest, namely how they ended. Every other empire that has existed in history fell because they were conquered by another power, or simply fell apart due to internal strife. The European colonial powers on the other hand had a crisis of conscience, and chose to give up their holdings voluntarily because they thought they weren't being fair. Further, the Euros did their best to civilize their colonies and turn them into bearable places to live, at great expense to themselves. Other empires have never taken such steps, more often than not they just slaughtered the conquered people and replaced them. Also, let's address this real quick:

>Anglos conquer, rape, kill, pillage, and enslave for centuries

Anglos were among the first to outlaw slavery, and actually used their naval power to try and disrupt the slave trade. Meanwhile, the poor oppressed innocent brown people living in Libya maintained an open-air slave market until 2007.

>jews learn to game the system after a millennia of religious persecution and acquire their share without use of force

Not their own force, sure, but sending gentiles to die on your behalf isn't exactly better. And while I wouldn't call myself a full-on antisemite, the fact that Jews were persecuted by everyone who met them for a thousand years begs the question: why were they so consistently hated? You are the common denominator after all, perhaps the reason everyone hates isn't their problem, but yours?

>So tell here, why do you think I'm "evil" just because I'm Jewish?

I don't, there have been a couple tolerable Jews and I'm not inclined to hate every single one. But every time you assuming this isn't bait trot out pilpul like this I'm tempted that much more.

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 No.92499

>>92485

>They totally didn't ask the Romans to persecute the Christians.

<complaining about whites persecuting sectarian Semites

Oh yeah, no other religious group ever wanted to persecute a sect in the history of the world. Jews are so evil for doing something 2000 years ago, grrr, evil Jews. hold your reply and read first what I wrote below after the 4th quote

>And their "gaming the system" didn't involve pushing some of the most destructive ideologies the world has ever seen, like communism and - as I talked about above - racialist nationalism

No, it didn't. What does Communism has to do with a millennia of acquiring trade experience and learning to live as a persecuted people? You're mixing unrelated things here. I'm not even denying Jews are (partially) responsible for communism or racial nationalism - not really sure why they're the first thing to come to mind about the latter tho, we just copied from Europeans - but you're grasping at straws if you somehow think they're related to Jewish success.

>And the modern state of Israel and its shenanigans?

As opposed to every other state that exploited, betrayed and attacked weaker ones? Do you mean like every other one in the 20th century and the millennia before?

>your thesis that the Europeans are cruel and evilbad and that the Jews never did anything is fucking stupid

You would have a point had it been something I actually said. If you want a disclaimer #notallwhites then sure, there you go. But you gentiles always get buttblasted if anyone points anything so much as slightly bad about your histories, RIGHT after going on a tirade about how Jews or niggers or whatever are the bane of the world, and then you go on and on ad nauseam about how your empires were actually totally humane, cool and awesome. It's mind boggling how a board of libertarians turn into statist bootlickers whenever it suits them despite that on any other topic they're pretty confident that the state is bad in every aspect. This double standard is the same with "Israel bad hurr," you excuse whatever happened in Europe as "everyone did it, we just did it better, success breeds jealousy :)" and then whine that some other state in the middle east did the same things to whatever extent - and I'm totally sure it had NOTHING to do with the fact it's Jewish, yep, you're just principled libertarians.

>It's called feudalism

And it was so brutal in Russia that it was signaled out by essentially every historian throughout the centuries. Or were Russian liberals Jews, too, and I'm just "pilpuling" you?

>>92488

Refer to the above.

Other than that, if you're actually going to make apologia for imperialism you should probably take off that flag.

>pilpul

lmao

I literally only ever hear gentiles using this term, it's practically nonexistent in the Jewish community. It just shows how paranoid you are about anything a Jew says.

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 No.92501

>>92446

This is a very noble thing to say, and it would be nice if we could apply it universally through life, but this statement is a perfect example of the reasons why jewish supremacists have subverted so many institutions/nations of the past with corruption, nepotism, and exacting jewish influence.

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 No.92502

>>92499

>Refer to the above.

You didn't actually refute anything I said. Whites had empires, but so did everyone else. Empires may be bad, but Euro colonialism was objectively more humane than the other empires out there. Other empires held on to their banana republics until the bitter end, Euros voluntarily abdicated their colonial supremacy.

>and then whine that some other state in the middle east did the same things to whatever extent

If Israel did anything on its own you might actually have a point here. But Israel couldn't have accomplished shit were it not for billions in Western aid money subsidizing your entire military, and even with all that support the US military ends up fighting your battles for you anyways.

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 No.92503

>>92488

>>92485

>>92484

Anglos did x, y, and z terrible things.

The most important part to notice is, in the Jewish view, its Jews vs whites. Always. Everyday, most white people go through their lives not even thinking about Jews. But the opposite is seems true.

>will this benefit jewish interests

>is this good for the Jews

>will this hurt whites so that our competition is hindered

This thought process is ruining the world.

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 No.92504

>>92499

>pilpul don't real

>while pilpulling

>>92502

Now the based libertarian jew is going to cry about

>u didn't decolonize north America or australia yt

And bragging about the IDF which can barely hold its own against Arabic rock throwers.

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 No.92505

>>92502

> Empires may be bad, but Euro colonialism was objectively more humane than the other empires out there.

So far Israel outdid all of you. If the Palestinians would just accept us they could live in prosperity. Israeli Arabs live good lives and get every right Jews get. But it's true, the racial nationalism is a problem here in the populace, luckily we're so good at subverting we even do it even to ourselves. And I believe that within a few generations and progressive education we'll get a post-zionist one state solution.

Sadly Arabs are a monkey-see-monkey-do kind of people and will fight to the bitter end until all the Jews here are ready to accept a multicultural state.

>>92504

>>while pilpulling

you're paranoid if you think every Jew learns Talmudic rhetoric

>Now the based libertarian jew is going to cry about

>u didn't decolonize north America or australia yt

>And bragging about the IDF which can barely hold its own against Arabic rock throwers.

You ARE paranoid lol, I don't have anything against whites and I don't hold them accountable for history. I just think it's hypocritical to have these double standards that I pointed out here >>92499

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 No.92507

>>92505

>So far Israel outdid all of you.

Except again, you didn't do shit. Britain gave you the land and the US-controlled UN authorized the claim. Assuming for the moment the entire region is as civilized as you say it is, the Anglos did all the work setting it up for you, and you moved in like spoiled brats and claimed it was all your doing. And I'm far from about to take your claims about the Palestinian paradise that is Israel on faith alone, I can name a few busfulls of dead children that would object to that idea.

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 No.92510

>>92507

>the Anglos did all the work setting it up for you

That's fucking bullshit. 1st and 2nd aliyahs (what we call immigration to Israel) laid the foundations for Israel and it was the kibbutz that was the game changer. The only significant thing the British left was their code of law, even the 19th century German Templers (that the Brits exiled to Australia later) did more for the foundation of this country than the British.

>and you moved in like spoiled brats

We were here before the British. Sure, the majority arrived after them but it's still nothing.

>And I'm far from about to take your claims about the Palestinian paradise that is Israel on faith alone

Israeli Arabs - that wasn't a misnomer - get the same rights, employment opportunities and protection as any other citizen. Palestinians (the ones living in Gaza and the West Bank) are in shit. You gentiles always make me laugh whenever you harp about the plight of Israeli Arabs (Palestinians within Israel) despite that you don't know anything about them, but whenever some SJW says "hey, maybe blacks aren't treated equally in the USA, maybe there's discrimination you start screeching how it's totally not true and all made up.

Also

>paradise

lol, and you say I'm "pilpuling"

>I can name a few busfulls of dead children that would object to that idea.

Yeah, I can name a few busfulls of dead citizens on our side too.

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 No.92511

>>92505

>you're paranoid if you think every Jew learns Talmudic rhetoric

Why would you have to learn something that comes to your kind naturally?

>>92510

>Israeli Arabs - that wasn't a misnomer - get the same rights, employment opportunities and protection as any other citizen. Palestinians (the ones living in Gaza and the West Bank) are in shit. You gentiles always make me laugh whenever you harp about the plight of Israeli Arabs (Palestinians within Israel) despite that you don't know anything about them, but whenever some SJW says "hey, maybe blacks aren't treated equally in the USA, maybe there's discrimination you start screeching how it's totally not true and all made up.

>uses the same sort of rhetoric that apartheid South Africa used

>we totes aren't like them tho

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 No.92512

>>92511

>>uses the same sort of rhetoric that apartheid South Africa used

well, we used to support them

I guess just like the leftists are the real fascists

the Jews are the real white supremacists

In seriousness tho, Israeli Arabs don't get discriminated against and get to enjoy the full fruit of Israel (and your taxes, lol). I'm not lying that they're having it good, if you don't believe me feel free to have a trip to the Holy Land.

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 No.92513

File: e12bc154a815ca1⋯.png (38.66 KB,630x271,630:271,spit.png)

>>92512

>come visit

I'll take a pass, moishe.

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 No.92515

File: 75f436745520dc3⋯.jpg (56.29 KB,540x960,9:16,david_kawaz_shalita_austro….jpg)

>>92513

Yeah we have religious extremists concentrated in religious places, what about it?

If you think this accounts for even an insignificant minority in Israel then you have no idea what you're talking about. And you know, this is the exact kind of shit I'm talking about when I say you gentiles have double standards. If you see an article in some MSM source about racism in America or whatever you'll go about how it's exaggerated, how it's just an incident, persecution complex, etc. A Jew does something? FUCKING. KIKES.

If you're actually concerned about this being a daily thing you can check the daily news, rather than digging up some article from over ten years ago.

And besides, libertarianism is becoming more popular in recent years, come visit ;)

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 No.92518

File: c0f3874c48dd6c4⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image,39.79 KB,615x409,615:409,01.jpg)

>>92515

>being this butthurt

>we aren't racist,goy

https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/

>thinks i'm going to visit your hellhole

>thinks i'm a libertarian

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 No.92519

>>92518

There are a few people that'd forbit africans to breed in their country, though, including hard neetsocs.

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 No.92520

>>92518

>Nazi complaining about sterilizing Africans

The lengths antisemites will go to in order to vilify Israel…

I'm not denying this was evil, and I didn't deny there is racism in our society, if you actually bothered to read my previous posts you'd know that. But that's the actual difference between me and you, I acknowledge the shortcomings of my country and my kin.

And about that article, you'd be surprised to know that no one actually cares or talks about it anymore. Not even Ethiopians. So please, save your phony indignation.

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 No.92526

GAS THE KIKES.

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 No.92538

>>92511

>used

current south africa is the epitome of apartheid

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 No.92539

>>92499

>Jews are so evil for doing something 2000 years ago, grrr, evil Jews.

It's not about whether that makes you evil, it's about whether you were the boy scouts that you painted yourself as. And the answer is "no". You stopped asking for persecutions when that stopped being an option, it's not even like the Jewish people had a change of heart, like - you know - the Europeans had about slavery.

>No, it didn't. What does Communism has to do with a millennia of acquiring trade experience and learning to live as a persecuted people?

I talked about that in my wall of text above. Cosmopolitanism + materialism + victim identity.

>racial nationalism - not really sure why they're the first thing to come to mind about the latter tho, we just copied from Europeans

On the contrary, we got it from you. Gobineaux was the first to create a political ideology based on the concept of race as a core tenet, but he thought the semitic races were highly developed. His ideology was also more an apologia for monarchy and aristocracy as institutions, not nationalistic yet.

The person who introduced but antisemitism and nationalism to scientific racialism was H.S. Chamberlain, along with Richard Wagner. Chamberlain studied the Talmud, which contains some strong ideas about the relation between the "chosen people" and the gentiles, and of creating a nation exclusively for this chosen people. To me, that sounds like the Nazis learned a little from you. The Czech Nazis weren't rabid racialists yet, so, that's something we got from the Jews.

>As opposed to every other state that exploited, betrayed and attacked weaker ones? Do you mean like every other one in the 20th century and the millennia before?

Not every state is as crooked as Israel, sorry. Here in Germany, we don't spit on Jews and Muslims, we don't take money from Jewish or Muslim countries so we can spit some more on them, and we don't send death squads into neighboring countries. We do sponsor religious massacres, yes - by backing Israel. And yes, Germany had a shameful past. Israels "shameful past", however, has never ended, you were belicose from day one and you never got better. Israel has never attempted to bring peace to the Middle East. This is not about a strong nation bullying weaker ones, it's about an asshole nation bullying everyone.

> and I'm totally sure it had NOTHING to do with the fact it's Jewish, yep, you're just principled libertarians.

If it's any condolescence, I despise a whole bunch of nations more than Israel, Saudi Arabia and China for example, but you're still pretty far up, I'd say even with the US federal government (local governments are a different matter, as is the population at large). Not because you're Jewish, but because you fuck everything up, on a global stage. Furthermore, your government spits on my religion, extorts and insults my people, and committed grievous crimes against the Christians in the Middle East, including Lebanon, where the women I love lives. So yeah, it's personal, too. If I made you pay for the bombs which I dropped within hearing distance of your loved ones, then I assume you'd be pretty pissed. And don't tell me that's just your government, you let your fucking schoolchildren scribble on these bombs.

>And it was so brutal in Russia that it was signaled out by essentially every historian throughout the centuries.

>essentially every historian throughout the centuries

>experts claim

I rate this between 3 and 8 out of 10 on my vagueness-scale. And let me remind you, you did not single Russia out for how bad serfdom there was, but for serfdom itself. What do you expect me to do? Substitute a slightly better argument for your terrible one? Not gonna do that, put in some effort to begin with.

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 No.92545

>>92539

>it's not even like the Jewish people had a change of heart

Are you suggesting Jews would persecute Christians given the chance?

>On the contrary, we got it from you. Gobineaux was the first to create a political ideology based on the concept of race as a core tenet

>The person who introduced but antisemitism and nationalism to scientific racialism was H.S. Chamberlain, along with Richard Wagner.

A French guy said Semites are cool, and a British-German historian and Wagner studied some Jewish rabbinic law. Ergo, Europeans learned these ideas from the Jews! In fact, it didn't exist or germinate in Europe or anywhere in the world before these three did their thing! In fact, there wasn't even a chance for it to happen if it wasn't for Jews!!!

I'm sorry, but you haven't actually put forward an argument. You just listed 3 people and said that they're somehow responsible for huge European movements.

>Israel has never attempted to bring peace to the Middle East

That's a lie, we offered peace deals several times. Read up on Yitzhak Rabin specifically.

>it's about an asshole nation bullying everyone.

refer below

>Not because you're Jewish, but because you fuck everything up, on a global stage

Somehow a tiny sliver of land is responsible for world catastrophes

>Furthermore, your government spits on my religion, extorts and insults my people

Another lie. Christians aren't discriminated here.

>committed grievous crimes against the Christians in the Middle East

Such as? We used Lebanese right-wing death squads to massacre Shiites, that's as close as "Christians" and "massacre" come in the context of Israel.

>you let your fucking schoolchildren scribble on these bombs.

Oh my God, you are pulling things out of your ass. Let me guess, that one photo where you have two girls writing something on a rocket? That happened exactly once. Or do you think kids are taken here on school trips to decorate bombs? Either way it just shows how shortsighted and superficial you are, these sort of sentiments arise in people and particularly kids because there are constant threats from Hamas, Nasrallah and so on. Any kid in any country would have negative attitudes towards a country or group if they were constantly threatened, so I don't really blame the Palestinians either. However, the only people that actually go out of their way to harm Arabs are settlers who are religious extremists.

You talk to me as if I'm personally responsible and have the power to do something. Sorry buddy, but I was left out of the global Jewish Cabal and can't do shit. Maybe you can do something on your end tho, ask your girlfriend to ring up Nasrallah to stop threatening to "peacefully remove six million Jews" back to Europe.

And look, you've got strong feelings here, I understand that. But to quote a great Jew and Zionist: facts don't care about your feelings. Everything you know about Israel and its social dynamic is from the internet or clickbait headlines. I'm not excusing Israel for what it does to Palestinians, but your characterization of it is completely disproportional and detached from reality.

>>experts claim

Yes they do. Do I need to cite any experts if I say "most historians agree the Holocaust happened"?

>you did not single Russia out for how bad serfdom there was, but for serfdom itself

You're being pedantic and hanging on some minor point because of how I worded it. I'm not going to continue arguing over something so minor.

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 No.92546

bad religion, good race. just like ancap. bad(actually ok) religion, good people

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 No.92547

>>87559

How do slaves feel about chains?

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 No.92550

File: 7b5a091c5b19584⋯.jpg (125.87 KB,520x730,52:73,41122224444.jpg)

While Judaism like most other faiths is reactionary and lends itself to reaction against the forces of progress the simple act of being Jewish or believing in a Jewish identity is not inherently reactionary as long as it is not used in the way in which Israel uses it to oppress to commit imperialism against other states

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 No.92552

>>92545

>Are you suggesting Jews would persecute Christians given the chance?

In fact, I am suggesting they do this now. It isn't remotely genocide, and might never become one, but still, it's oppression. Barring Christians from visiting their holy sites sounds like pretty bad oppression to me.

>A French guy said Semites are cool, and a British-German historian and Wagner studied some Jewish rabbinic law. Ergo, Europeans learned these ideas from the Jews! In fact, it didn't exist or germinate in Europe or anywhere in the world before these three did their thing! In fact, there wasn't even a chance for it to happen if it wasn't for Jews!!!

What you did now was to repeat my argument in a bastardized form, and you have been doing this since our discussion started. You omitted that the ideas Wagner and Chamberlain introduced to scientific racialism were present most strongly in a certain Jewish book they studied, and that is pretty good evidence that yes, they took them from the Jews.

>huge European movements

They weren't huge. Eugenics was huge, and that is on the Anglos, and scientific racialism has existed for a while, but not in the distinct form it took in the Nazis.

>That's a lie, we offered peace deals several times. Read up on Yitzhak Rabin specifically.

I should have been more specific, that's on me.

Overall, Israel hasn't brought peace to the region, but war. Rabin may have made some serious efforts later on (he did sign some of the original expulsion orders several decades before). In the meantime, Israel sent death squads to Lebanon, exploded several car bombs there, and attacked a Hezbollah leader with an attack helicopter. It conducted assassinations in Belgium, France, and Malta, among others, and in Norway, where it killed a Norwegian citizen because the Mossad agents in charge made a little oopsie identifying their target. It was involved in around ten wars, give or take. And whenever I read Israeli news, they are provoking and bloodthirsty as fuck. I am not saying other countries are better, but I am quite sure that Germany is (and I despise my government too, don't be mistaken).

>Somehow a tiny sliver of land is responsible for world catastrophes

Are you serious? Israel cannot cause much harm, because it's geographically small? Your government owns, what, two hundred nukes? These things don't care where they're launched from, they still mess you up. Not to say Israel intends to use them, but my point is, your argument is shit. Countries don't need a huge area to destabilize the region they're in.

>Another lie. Christians aren't discriminated here.

Again, you keep Christians in the Middle East from visiting their Holy Sites. That's kind of a big deal, and enough for me to make up my mind as to whether Israel is really our buddy. Other than that, there is the practice of ultra-orthodox Jews of spitting at Christians, and so far, the authorities have turned a blind eye to that:

http://imemc.org/article/75889/

>Such as? We used Lebanese right-wing death squads to massacre Shiites, that's as close as "Christians" and "massacre" come in the context of Israel.

I wasn't talking about massacres. Dropping bombs in their neighborhoods is already grievous enough.

>Oh my God, you are pulling things out of your ass. Let me guess, that one photo where you have two girls writing something on a rocket? That happened exactly once.

Point taken. I hope someone slapped these two brats, but point taken.

>And look, you've got strong feelings here, I understand that. But to quote a great Jew and Zionist: facts don't care about your feelings.

Certainly, but I'm not arguing from my feelings here. There are many nations that are far worse than Israel, but I have no personal grudge against them. That doesn't mean I'd judge their inhabitants or their governments less harshly, just that I don't see it as my business to the same degree.

>You talk to me as if I'm personally responsible and have the power to do something.

That wasn't my intention, but I can see why it came across that way. That tends to happen in these discussions. I only hold you personally responsible for downplaying how shitty Israel is. I know you did not personally kill anyone, that's why I'm only judging you as a shitposter, not as a murderer. Big difference. Had you told me that you have killed ten Palestinian children this week, trust me, I'd have been a lot more outraged.

>Yes they do.

That may well be the case, but see below.

>Do I need to cite any experts if I say "most historians agree the Holocaust happened"?

Well, you kinda do, this is the internet after all. But point taken.

>You're being pedantic and hanging on some minor point because of how I worded it. I'm not going to continue arguing over something so minor.

I can only respond to the argument you presented, not to the argument you actually had in your mind. That's how these discussions work.

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 No.92572

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>>88197

Leftists are so used to obscuring their arguments with terminology, symbols, allegory, etc. that, when confronted with a genuine statement, they are compelled to read different meanings into it.

With that, plus the usual exaggeration, shaming, and ad homs, this post is a microcosm of leftist disinformation tactics.

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 No.92589

>>92539

>ancrap is a muslim rapefugee living in Germany

>>92545

>still pilpulling

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 No.92598

>>92481

This is a very wise post that mirrors much on what I believe about Jews and marxism

To give another example if you are walking down the street in the day and see your black neighbor who you know and have decent relations you should greet him.

If you are walking down the same street late at night and see a bunch of black niggers who you don't know acting in anymanner you don't like your defense radar needs to ping hardcore.

This is really just common sense

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 No.92602

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>>92484

>So tell here, why do you think I'm "evil" just because I'm Jewish?

I don't.

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 No.92615

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>>92589

>ancrap is a muslim rapefugee living in Germany

No, I'm Roman Catholic, and so is my Lebanese girl and her family. What made you think I'm a rapefugee?

>>92598

>This is a very wise post that mirrors much on what I believe about Jews and marxism

Thank you, I'm always happy to know someone benefitted from what I typed.

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 No.92677

>>92615

The whole "you disrespect my religion" bit. I have heard islamists use that phrase before.

also

>don't worry, im not a muslim, I just fugg someone whose arab

lol

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 No.92793

Walter Block on Jews if anyone's interested:

https://russia-insider.com/en/it-permissible-criticize-jews/ri22297

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 No.92794

>>92677

Lebanese are mostly Christian as far as I know.

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 No.92804

lazy guy's explanation of all bad

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 No.92807

>>87630

>Jews by and large possess in-group preference

>only Jews practice in-group preference

>the only reason Jews are more successful than average is because of in-group preference

lol

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 No.92808

>>92807

Whom are you paraphrasing?

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 No.92856

>>92794

Being a Christian doesn't change their arabic genes.

>>92807

>only jews practice ingroup preference

Literally no one said that. What WAS said is that they are far more extreme about it, because, to quote Kevin MacDonald, it is their "group evolutionary strategy".

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 No.92887

>>92856

You stupid fucking nigger, in your post you said that because you are fucking an Arab, you automatically become a Mudslime:

>don't worry, im not a muslim, I just fugg someone whose arab

I corrected you by saying that Lebanese are Christians, I never said anything about genes changing while worshiping the dead Jew.

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 No.92906

>>92856

> What WAS said is that they are far more extreme about it, because, to quote Kevin MacDonald, it is their "group evolutionary strategy".

where is the proof?

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 No.92907

>>92887

I was saying that he was a racemixer, as if that is better then being a muslim rapefugee in Germany. They both will result in the same thing: arab genes entering the german genepool.

>>92906

The past 2000 years of jewish history.

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 No.92918

>>92907

>The past 2000 years of jewish history.

epic.

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 No.92925

>>92907

>Past 2000 years of Jewish history

Nice citation

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 No.92945

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>>92677

>The whole "you disrespect my religion" bit. I have heard islamists use that phrase before.

Yes, that's kinda what religious people do when you disrespect their religion. Muslims use sugar too, should I stop using it then?

>don't worry, im not a muslim, I just fugg someone whose arab

Phoenician. And as other anon said, no, having sex with arabs/phoenicians does not make you muslim.

>>92907

>I was saying that he was a racemixer

No you didn't. You made some ambiguous quip, nothing precise. Why read precision into a quip?

>as if that is better then being a muslim rapefugee in Germany. They both will result in the same thing: arab genes entering the german genepool.

And this here is a classic example of making an argument that's so incomplete that your opposition must fill it out before being able to criticize it.

Do you think phoenician genes are inferior to german genes, that's why we should not mix? Why do you think that, and do you have statistics or other evidence to back that up? You could make that claim if we were talking about a nigger or an abo, but I have never, in my life, seen statistics that phoenicians are genetically inferior to whites.

Do you think that racemixing is bad in itself, because races have some metaphysical property to them that is diluted or destroyed by racemixing? If so, explain what this metaphysical property is, don't just suppose everyone buys your theory. Reading the Myth of the Twentieth Century persuaded me that this view is completely retarded.

Or do you think that racemixing is bad because it destroys social cohesion? I can see some sense in that argument if we're talking about having a bunch of brown children who will hang out with the kids in the mosque simply because they look like them, but phoenicians are white, whiter than some southern europeans.

Ask yourself this: Would you have minded at all if I had said I'm dating an armenian or a tartar girl? Probably not. Armenians look like slightly more exotic europeans (kinda like phoenicians do), and tartars are "russians", and hence europeans. To be perfectly frank, I doubt you really thought your racial views through, because almost no racialist ever does.

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 No.93229

>>88195

Don’t feed the Jews

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 No.93239

>>87630

There obviously is a jewish conspiracy but it is disorganised, yes. That doesn't mean they themselves aren't aware of it or do not conspire with each other. It's not a bunch of heebs in one room trying to figure out how to destroy the white race, but many jews are working exactly on that and more.

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 No.100851

>>93239

<There obviously is a jewish conspiracy but it is disorganised, yes

>but it is disorganised

It almost like Jews have both lefties and right wingers like anyone else, but it's easier to blame outsiders than admit your own people are shit as well.

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 No.100855

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>>100851

There are three times as many left wing Jews as there are right wing ones. And almost all of the right-wing ones are interventionist neocons, who are honorary left-wingers.

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 No.100856

>>93239

Nice necro

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