/hikki/ - Hikikomori

I'm in the same boat. Only thing i could figure is running scams online but i'm too much of a pussy to do it. I would feel too bad about it.

>>784

>Any anon here figure out a way to make some money without going out to your house? I

Trying to at the moment but all the options that are listed online kinda suck tbh.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upwork

https://www.upwork.com/

Can you type, try to find something to do at Upwork, eventually you could find your niche and make enough to get by.

Take care

At first I was looking into day trader, but it require money and very little guaranteed that it will be profitable, next I came across this thing called "paid survey", apparently these company paid to to take a survey for like $0.50 per survey. How legitimate is that? anybody tried those?

>>792

Those are for peoples that have skills anon, which I have none.

>>794

This is my biggest issue when it comes to finding work at home. I have no skills in anything so I don't even bother because I know I'll do a bad job at it.

>>784

if only we could control some robot through camera and keyboard/mouse to move boxes and get paid for it but then indian and asians would be doing it for free.

>>793

I think those are scams anon do not trust those.

I just joined swagbuck, looks like datamining company. anybody got any experience with it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swagbucks

>>849

Let us know what happens.

>>849

I tried it and I wasn't eligible for their surveys.

>>869

*most of their surveys

Practice your typing and go to upwork and take a look, you will find something to try. :)

>>784

i will not tell you for i dont want competition

>>917

>i will not tell you for i dont want competition

Well that's not very nice.

Has anyone tried Elo Boosting?

>>936

>Has anyone tried Elo Boosting?

No but i want to is it easy?.

>>937

Who knows, something I thought I might get into

>>869

I think its okay to lied being their demographic but its not okay if you randomly answers survey to quickly finished it. If its asked you

>Do you use [product]?

>Do you have [medical condition]?

just say yes and pretend you know what you're talking about. They did double check if you're truly know so get your google-fu ready to answer correctly. For example they show me an blurred out ads and asked me what's the brand name of the product.

>>917

I will give you my left nut for that information

>>917

It can't be that hard if you can figure it out.

>>953

I doubt his job is selling hikikomori testicles on the black market, but nice guess anon.

I have 4 VPS servers left over from a failed work from home scheme I had. What can I do with them? I'll have them for 6 months.

I receive money from the government for my disability (asperger). This is how I live with my parents having a small pay without feeling like a parasite.

>>1004

>I receive money from the government for my disability (asperger).

So NEETbucks??.

>>1004

when did you get diagnosis? at what age?

>>1118

>when did you get diagnosis? at what age?

Not that anon but i was diagnosed at age 8.

>>1123

i could have been diagnosed with it as kid too but i live in 2nd world and AS was not well known back then

Fiverr

https://www.fiverr.com/

>>1158

How will this help me make money from home??.

>>998

Nevermind, it worked!

And for the curious, I'm selling anonymous proxies at 8 bucks each. Can't believe it actually worked.

I had to actually IM people on WeChat, which is a pain, but at least I have my own money for ordering takeout now

>>1254

You seem to be a good salesman, it's easy when you have a product that they want. Now try it on fiverr or upwork, or another place, if you think about it you will find a slot you can fit into.

Does anyone steal? I keep wanting to try it but am always too nervous to go through with it.

>>1538

No, it's not worth the risk, and as an adult you don't get a slap on the wrist anymore if you're caught, even the smallest things can ruin you. Imagine if you get arrested and as a hikki you're forced to be around people in prison. Prison is nowhere for people like us to be.

>>1540

On the other hand I doubt there's anyone else in the world that could deal with house arrest as well as we could.

>>1540

>>1538

>>1541

If it came with a monthly stipend I could do life without parole, LOL

You have to be a Monk, unconditional love and in the moment to understand the life.

I've never been so happy since I gave up.

(63), Pepe

http://webm.land/media/qRre.webm

>>1541

That's true. For myself my mind works in a very calculated way. I don't like taking risks and if I did I wouldn't be a hikki at all. I believe most successful people are risk takers of some sort, whereas I'm as mundane as it comes and I do everything possible to only exist. I hate doing anything because of a crippling fear of failure. It took forever just to work up the courage to try and build my own computer, that's how bad I am.

>>1543

That's enlightenment, facing reality exactly as it is makes you successful.

take care

>>799

>>794

Do online courses.

They do provide some qualifications.

Doing anything to start with will be better than nothing.

I'd also recommend learning some programming that has mass appeal. Then applying for online work. There are tons of tutorials on the internet, and you can become comfortable to some extent within a few weeks - enough to take on simple tasks.

Best thing is to learn some skills, pick up some qualifications online - do distance courses. Even if you don't specialise, anything that will make you more useful to someone will be a good thing.

>>1543

You can overcome the fear of failure with deliberate practise.

Start really small first - you already built the computer and overcame that part - it just takes repetition.

What I did was to set myself tasks, and just did them to any finished standard - knowing that it wasn't supposed to be perfect.

Perfectionism is a big part of the fear of failure thing, they go together.

If you can force yourself to deliberately finish imperfect things and just leave them as that, realising and telling yourself that those things really don't matter - it prepares you mentally for more real life examples.

For example, draw a flower. Cook a new recipe. Build something, like you did with your computer.

The goal is always just to finish it in good time, so it is in a working state and considered DONE.

It will become easier man.

>>1540

How would you get caught though? Say if you tossed some small things in your pocket and just walked out. Even if they saw you, or tried to stop you in the store, what would they do? I mean if you never went in there before or again it would seem like an easy thing to get away with. Like the last time i had to venture into a store to buy model paint i thought about tossing most of the little bottles in my pocket and paying for some of them so i don't just walk right out of the store.

I dunno, i'm having having some anxious episodes of needing to do something besides sit around my room and i don't have much money to mess around with though i'm sure i'd be wracked with guilt afterward and be extra paranoid all the time. I still think about stealing a Hot Wheel from Walmart when i was a kid because i felt so shitty afterward, and that time my brother's friend stole a pack of gum from a convenience store. I probably shouldn't even try

>>1540

This stealing doesn't seem like hikki behavior.

>>1550

Was actually thinking about doing this tbh.

>>786

Same. It's too sinful.

>>1550

I could do programming, but I have a sort of extreme anxiety about it now, since I've procrastinated so many projects to death… It's like I'm just too nervous to accept deadlines I guess.

>>1553

Every store has cameras these days.

Your picture would be given to the police department and, sure, maybe they won't catch you the first time, but after you've stolen from a few stores, they'll have a pretty good idea of how you look and next time you see a cop…

>>1742

Exactly and like i said here - >>1561 stealing doesn't seem like hikki behavior.

>>784

If you live in a 1st world country you could try getting onto the disability. I live a very comfy life because of it.

>>1776

>If you live in a 1st world country you could try getting onto the disability

I think most western hikkis are actually on that.

>>1787

I've been in my house for 2 years now and I can't find motivation to even play some vidya anymore. I don't even really leave my bed until it's time for dinner.

>>1797

> I don't even really leave my bed until it's time for dinner.

I did this when i lived with my parents.

>>792

Upwork is no longer reliable.

https://hackernoon.com/if-youre-freelancing-on-upwork-this-might-make-you-reconsider-82f68039786c

>>1811

I'm really sorry to see this, it's discouraging for sure. All we can do when this happens is to find another focus and try again.

>>1811

>Upwork is no longer reliable.

Pretty sure there is another way we can make money from home.

>put together a package of MMD models/maps for SIZEBOX on DA under adfly

almost up to 5usd

>make youtube videos

made just 1usd within 4years

>ssi

minus the rent[161]/bills[100]/food[40], i have about 300 - 500 to spend freely out of 733.

am trying to find ways that are not surveys to earn money from home. i feel like a workerbee just trying to make rent money to give to the landlord when i see something i want like a new game or something. i know i have the money to buy something but i get paranoid i spent too much money because i gotta save up for rent/etc.

there are a few things i have my eye on

>sexdoll that looks like my waifu

>vive [for vrchat/vr desktop]

>car

>something from /suicide/ because tfw wanna go back to when i was truely happy with a real social life and had a gf [back to when i was 16 - 2006]

>>1838

> i see something i want like a new game or something. i know i have the money to buy something but i get paranoid i spent too much money because i gotta save up for rent/etc.

I can relate i too have a habit of spending too much money but recently i have been trying to save up.

>>1838

another way is

>getting paid to do captchas

>putting together your own custom maps for games and shortURLing them then tagging them with the most mainstream tags and hope people click on it

>draw furry porn for furcadia/2nd life users [furries pay out the ass for porn]

>>1859

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>>1865

Sounds like a scam to be honest.

>>1865

So you basically get paid for every 1000 captchas you solve. As easy as solving a captcha is, solving 1000 for 3 bucks sounds mental.

>>1550

>Do online courses.

I doubt any of us has the motivation to actually finish one.

I can totally relate to this >>1787

>>1894

>I doubt any of us has the motivation to actually finish one.

This i can't even motivate myself to find a work at home job even though i want one so i can still be a hikki while generating an income.

>>1865

>>www.megatypers.com/

That site is a scam.

Look into Raterlabs (formerly Leapforce). It's basically evaluating search results for a Google shell company. It's kind of hard to get in, since the test is pretty rigorous, but as long as you study the guidelines they give you it's not that bad. I've heard Lionbridge is the same kind of work but with better pay, but I don't have any experience with them.

>>1981

Thanks anon.

I've done some Blackhat stuff here and there to generate some money (not a lot). I mostly do it for fun/learning and also because I hate normalfags and don't feel bad taking advantage of their stupidity.

>>2497

>I hate normalfags and don't feel bad taking advantage of their stupidity.

I don't blame you do you scam them out of their money??.

>>2497

Why was my post edited? I'm a different guy, I didn't mean to reply to you, but rather to the OP.

>>2498

Not directly, no. I'm more involved in malware dev, reverse engineering and things like that.

>>2499

>Why was my post edited? I'm a different guy, I didn't mean to reply to you, but rather to the OP.

My mistake i thought you were replying to me.

>>2500

>Not directly, no. I'm more involved in malware dev, reverse engineering and things like that.

How much have you earned from it when you do get money??.

>>1751

>Topicwise, I wanna do art commissions and patreon stuff, but I'm terrified of missing deadlines & getting a bad reputation.

I can relate

My daily activity of keeping me busy is to sculpt digitally all day, even if the quality is shit.

Every artist and community I look around are all fucking normals who doesn't understand hikki problems, and most likely not willing to in the future.

I want to masquerade as a normal there, and then go to this place to discuss shit etc. but I'm worried about posting my work because I don't want people to stalk me and call me a freak (though I wouldn't care), I just care because I don't like masking myself- I've done that too much in my life and it tortured me at the end.

>>2524

>I tried getting a job that allows me to stay indoors but it never worked out (because online applications are shit especially in burgerland).

I can absolutely agree with that.

A few years ago I used to do work with www.freelancer.com I stopped for a bit but since I last used It I learned Japanese so I can now add something new to my portfolio. It sucks that there are so many Indians doing all the programming jobs devaluing the market so unless you're lucky I'd put proofreading and editing as a skill for some easy cash. All you need is a basic understanding of English and you can make some pretty pennies, 3-10 times that If you know multiple languages.

>>2544

What are you doing now anon??.

>>2545

I got on neetbux and my CD Account finally payed out so I've been living on that until, coupled with how I've lived the poor life for so long I keep forgetting I even have money, I haven't really needed to worry too much. I plan to try starting a hedge fund soon but I've been averse to doing anything for the past few months. I kinda like blogposting, I feel narcissistic talking about myself so much though

>>2546

> I kinda like blogposting, I feel narcissistic talking about myself so much though

That's what we do here anon don't be ashamed /hikki/ is just a comfy board for true hikikomoris.

>>2548

i really love small boards for that quality alone. The sortof community you can build up among a bunch of people who don't even have names for each other is outstanding. I'd say that the only people that'd I'd call true friends we're people that I've met on imageboards. I started crying a bit while typing this and I'm not sure why

>>2556

I know what you mean.

>>1894

>As easy as solving a captcha is, solving 1000 for 3 bucks sounds mental.

I did the math, give or take it took you 3 second to solve each captcha, you can do 1200 captcha in 1 hour. 3 bucks an hour doesn't sound too bad if you work from the comfort of your home. The problem is if this is actually legit work and not some scam

>people will not help you unless they get something out of it - mostly an ego boost

>in the usa, if you make something, you have to put it as the price of dirt and make it so it JUST WERKS for so the simplemind npc to use

>you cannot make money the easy way without feeling slimey

money is the most #1 WORST things you can ever have but you need it to live

this world is built on; greed/competition and power.

>>1851

here

there is also idle browser and letting video-ADs stream in another tab but you have to mute your browser the entire time. the pay out is points which you can get gift cards/paypal 5usd - 25usd.

earnhoney

>they will shadow ban you without reason so be sure to use multiple accs hooked up to same paypal and usa VPNs

grindabuck

>same as earnhoney but just use usa VPNs if the video players do not work. no need for another acc as i have seen.

timebucks

>they have a mining thing going but the cash-out is 10usd

freebitco.in

>roll for bitcoins and get reward/lottery tickets

inboxdollars

>just use their tv program and do scratch offs

payperemails

>cash out button appears when you hit 25k but it goes like 00,000.xxxx the X's do not count. emails are 100points and ADs are 50.

>>2607

$480 is enough for a hikki if you lived with your parent and doesn't need to pay the rent. What more could you asked for? We eat junk food most of the time, internet/electricity etc bills probably cost $200 at most in a month, so you still have $280 for food and maybe 1 video game

>>2634

>$480 is enough for a hikki if you lived with your parent and doesn't need to pay the rent

True, but I would still feel bad if my parents are still paying for the rent and bills. Also, like I said before, it would also be good for anyone receiving disability/neetbux. Even still, committing 40+ hours a week to typing captchas sounds dreadfully dull, and might hurt your eyes after a while.

These threads always make me so sad that I didn't get rich off of bitcoin. Everyone was saying to invest, that you'd never have to work a day in your life, that money would mean nothing to you, but I didn't listen. Somewhat comforting to see that there's still some other losers who didn't jump on that train, good luck guys.

>>1865

Looks real interesting. Can anyone say whether this is viable? I don't mind these sorts of repetitive activities, it should at least be a little less tedious than tagging the images in my hydrus database.

>>1778

Tugboat? Good ol' captain?

Is this some sort of popular phrase, or am I missing something? I want to know what you meant by this. Is it a reference to one of those mythical "rampage" songs?

>>784

I just do chores for my dad or tell my mom I'm low on money

>>2675

>I just do chores for my dad or tell my mom I'm low on money

Well that's one way to get money i suppose.

>>2680

Yeah I'm trying to get neetbux so I can move out but it's a slow process

>>2683

i'd rather die than work to be quite honest with you. life just isn't worth the effort

>>2684

>i'd rather die than work to be quite honest with you. life just isn't worth the effort

I completely understand that feeling but don't you think you would be at least a little bit more happier if you had some motivation?? you can still live as a hikki while making a good amount of money instead of having only a limited amount of neetbux every month won't lie i live off neetbux right now as well but i would much rather earn a decent amount of money while being hikki instead of living off a limited amount of neetbux each month but to each his own.

>>2685

i appreciate the notion but i can't just pull motivation out of nowhere. i've tried working before. my body and mind can't handle it. i was fired because i couldn't keep up with the hours

>>2687

>i appreciate the notion but i can't just pull motivation out of nowhere

This, its really hard to explain the hikki condition. I mean if were to win a lottery, I'd still gonna be a hikki and stay indoor most of the time, the only difference is that I dont have to worry about money.

>>2688

this. precisely this. working on getting neetbux. if i do, it's my ticket. i just view everything now as either an obstacle or a stepping stone on my way to be completely alone. as soon as i can move out of my dad's basement and into an apartment i'll finally be at peace

>>2691

I thought most things that had to do with Bitcoin were scams i see a shit ton of those all over Tor.

Anyone tried FOREX yet? I'm considering trying it, I think trading real traditional currencies is safer than cryptos

>>2700

>Anyone tried FOREX yet?

I'm looking into this right now actually.

>>2691

Mining bitcoin isn't really a profitable endeavor unless you know how to do it efficiently

>>2702

>>2700

You need a start up money (usually more than you can afford), an account and a broker to handle buying and selling

I heard that you need some sort of a college degree to do a programming job from home is this true??.

>>2708

No

>>2705

By trying I mean actually trying to make money from it not basic stuff

>>2744

The SP 500, the commodities market is for the big boys, it's gambling, study options because they are usually cheaper and are more liquid usually, if you have a position that someone wants.

>>2691

doges have shot up, are you rich now anon?

>>2691

Very interesting Anon, the way you figured it out to limit your losses to near nothing. It's about tapping the free money without risking very much. You are very smart, disciplined and a good example, I'm going to try it. Please keep posting tips and so on I really appreciate the help.

MusicXray is a decent way to make money online just by listening to music,

https://www.musicxray.com/

>>2691

>>3314

Ditto this. Interested.

>>1851

Not just regular furry porn, if you specialise yourself in really degenerate fetishes like massive anal prolapses on pokemon, cock vore, tit hair, pony scat and all that shit you have a really niche market that will gladly pay you to draw their shitty custom characters.

This of course requires you to be able to draw at least somewhat good.

>no money

>apply for a job

>get the most basic cashier job at some retail store

>try my hardest to treat my co-workers nicely

>got fired a month later because someone accused me of stealing from the cash register

>Said they will give me my salary next week

>check my bank account today

>they deducted half my salary even though there's no evidence of me stealing

I had it hikkis, no more. Peoples are fucking hypocrites. I tried, I really did, I been a neet hikki for a year surviving only from my life saving and this is what I get for trying to get my life back together, got fucking fired and losing my dignity as a human being. Now everyone from that stores think I'm a crook.

>>4030

Normies regularly confuse a lack of social skills and evil intent. It's likely your behavior was enough 'evidence' to whatever retard was in charge.

In all likelihood, the money was stolen by the most popular Stacy in the store because she saw an opportunity of gain with virtually zero chances of it biting her in the ass.

>>4030

That's awful dude i'm sorry you had to deal with that crap.

>>4052

But be aware though, it only listed ways to make money online and it relies on user experience to verify it if its a scam or not. Meaning somebody need to be a "guinea pig" to tested it out, either way its a good place to start with since it compile all the possible way to make money in one place

Is there a way to continue a hikki lifestyle without living on welfare? My own principles basically make me refuse to live off of the money from my fellow countrymen.

>>4634

On one hand it's good that you're not all 'GIBS ME DAT', on the other hand assuming you have roots in the country and your ancestors paid taxes all their lives their descendents (you) deserve that money which is scraps compared to the sheer amount that corrupt politicians and ceos steal.

>>4634

I'm the same way. I'm pretty sure if I tried, I could get disability money for some form of autism or social anxiety, but I wouldn't feel right doing that.

>>4635

That's very true. I personally have family that have lived in this country dating back several generations, plus my great grandmother was once given a huge tax refund for paying too much tax over the span of her life. Even still, I don't feel as though I'm entitled to that money. After all it was not my labor that generated that money, it was the labor of my ancestors, and I doubt they put in that work just for me to leech off it 50+ years later.

>>4636

I'm sure they'd prefer it go to you than be given to some immigrant

>>4673

That's a fair point. I think if push comes to shove, and things get especially desperate, I would consider applying for NEETbux.

>>4634

getting an inheritance or passive income via investments, aka private bux

>>4682

If you do decide considering neetbux, just remember they'll want documentation and doctor's support out the ass which can be troublesome to get if didn't have it prior

>>4634

At this point i don't see how you feel you were doing something particularly wrong by being on welfare. Normalfags hate you and don't want you around. You can either be homeless or find some way to make them pay for your existence. For me, I don't care about rent seeking from the state. It's just the humiliation of doing so, especially from my family. That's why i haven't done it.

>>4689

>getting an inheritance or passive income via investments, aka private bux

Or from a lawsuit. I'm involved in one. I'm not expecting much if anything but if i got a sizable chunk of money that's a good deal. I also hope that i get hit by a car everytime i'm on my bike. That's at least 50k if they have insurance. I'm gambling though because if you get hit by some illegal mexican they're just going to drive off and there's no paper trail to even convict them for a hit and run. The magic of living in a sanctuary city.

>>4691

>It's just the humiliation of doing so

It also may depend on where you live, I know at least as a burger, my living situation would have to degrade to the point of near homelessness before I could even be considered the for bux program here

>>4692

I dunno i think you could always get disability here, though you might have to get a disability lawyer and jump through hoops, especially if it's mental. Then I don't know specifically how this works but i hear that you have to do regular checkups to prove you're still unstable. Like the story i read was this guy in Arizona who had to report to his case worker and basically say "yes i am fucked up" while she played 20 questions with him. Normalfags can't comprehend that people are different from them so i can't imagine having to do this myself.

>>4693

>i think you could always get disability here

It's a bit complicated but there's a lot of hoops to leap through and different programs you may be eligible for depending if you have work history or not. But you're right in that you really do need a lawyer if you want to really get on it and not get screwed over in the process. That and it does take a while, I think average case time is around 2 years with most being rejected

>>4738

Your life maybe?

>>4747

>Your life maybe?

That's a good idea but i pretty much already do that on here.

>>4747

What can you write about as a hikki? everyday is the same as the last.

>>4738

do you have internal fantasies you play around with?

>>4738

>>4747

>>4748

Perhaps you could talk about life and the world through the perspective of a western hikikomori. Pick topics regarding current or recent events and talk about how they might effect you or other hikkis in the west. Even post your thoughts on life in general. I personally think a lot of things out in my head to organize my thoughts on a subject. You could do something similar and then write down what you've thought about and the conclusions you've drawn from your personal reflection. You may also want to consider a brief history of your life as a sort of preamble to your blog, so people who come across your blog who haven't browsed here get a sense of where you're coming from.

>>4756

>do you have internal fantasies you play around with?

Doesn't everyone??.

>>4762

You're welcome. Whenever you do start on it you should link it here, I would like to read it.

>>4830

>Whenever you do start on it you should link it here, I would like to read it.

I will definitely do that thanks anon.

I'm always considering selling all my games, tv and ect due to the fear of becoming homeless at any point if something happens to my family. I wouldn't be able to handle the loss & would probably smash/break everything before living in the streets. I wish I could get bux already and disappear to an apartment somewhere with more walking distance resources.

>>5154

>I wish I could get bux already and disappear to an apartment somewhere with more walking distance resources.

Same. One of my biggest overall goals right now is to build up the skills to work from home, then find a comfy one bedroom apartment with some nearby stores. It's all I really need.

>>5175

Same. I'm always afraid that I'm just around the corner from homelessness. On the bright side, I haven't actually heard of too many cases in which a hikikomori becomes homeless, they usually seem to find a way to get a wageslave job or goverment bux before then. Not the best thing to look forward to, but certainly better than sitting in the streets cold and hungry.

>>5179

>One of my biggest overall goals right now is to build up the skills to work from home, then find a comfy one bedroom apartment with some nearby stores. It's all I really need

Right now i'm actually trying to work on this same exact goal.

>Im always afraid that I'm just around the corner from homelessness. On the bright side, I haven't actually heard of too many cases in which a hikikomori becomes homeless, they usually seem to find a way to get a wageslave job or government bux before then. Not the best thing to look forward to, but certainly better than sitting in the streets cold and hungry.

Very true.

>>5631

It sounds like a great idea (something like a hikki freelance programmer union?), but I think e-mailing a stranger out of the blue in the hopes of finding a way to make money might be too stressful for hikkis. (I had to psyche myself up just to reply, to be honest.) Maybe we could try to work out the details here, at least initially?

As for myself, my timezone is UTC-6, and I've been using Exercism as a way to pick up programming languages. (I think I mentioned it before in another thread a while back.) So far, I've done C++, Python, PHP, Ruby, and Lua (and MIPS Assembly for kicks), and I'm currently working on C#. I'm also familiar with HTML (had a couple of simple websites back in the Tripod days) and Javascript (writing Greasemonkey scripts). …Oh, and I made a simple Android app once back when I played Path of Exile (to calculate which items to sell at once to get exactly 20 plusses for a better reward). I'd love to be able to earn a living by programming, but it seems like a Catch-22 situation where you need to have years of experience to start working.

>>5632

Hey, I gonna sleep now. It would be nice if you could think about it a bit, I'll check my emails tomorrow in the morning, but you can also take some days if you need them. I truly believe that we could do something together.

>>5633

I'm definitely interested. Actually, I'm kind of surprised that I'm apparently the only one; I thought there were a couple other coder hikkis around. I think the idea of a freelance coder union has a lot of potential: a bit of mentoring and practice, and you could rest assured of keeping your lifestyle instead of worrying about being thrown out.

Anyway, yeah, getting started with a small project or two makes sense. What repo do you plan to use? If it matters, I have a GitHub account (since Exercism requires one).

>>5642

We could initially use Github, but later for switch to private Gitlab repos (We could also skip the Github step). Yeah, let's start with Github, OK. I have an idea, send me a link to your Github account per email and I shall reply with mine, this will also show you that I'm honestly interested. For communication we will use IRC (as alternative we could also use XMPP or Matrix), I gotta give you the details also in reply to your email. Please keep in mind that I'll soon go to sleep, but don't worry. This won't be a problem later on when we have worked together a bit. I also found a person who could do animations if you'd be interested in trying your hands at a VN! Are you OK with sending me an email? Just make a throwaway at Tutanota, Protonmail or Cock.li if you don't trust me enough yet.

>>5645

Mail sent. I haven't used IRC in ages, but it should be no trouble for me to set things up.

>>5642

>I'm kind of surprised that I'm apparently the only one

I'm interested, but less than confident that I wouldn't hold you back. I wanna finish working through The Art of Computer Programming and finish one big(ish) project on my own before I form a team with others or I'll just constantly beat myself up due to feelings of inadequacy.

>>5651

Hey, please don't hesitate to write me an email or just write to me. It's OK if you're a beginner, maybe you can help somehow, also you could just idle in the IRC channel and see how we're going to do it, I'm sure you'll learn a lot. OK, hope you might consider it. I'm a bit tired now, so I'll check this thread tomorrow again. And for the start we're also going to work on some project to see how we better can work together, maybe you'd like to help with some small things.

>>5651

>>5655

Yeah, worst-case scenario, you'd have a few people to ask for advice if you run into trouble working on your project.

Matched betting made me a nice profit.

I recommend getting into cyber security, I work from home and make $80k a year, I had to go through college first, and I was lucky enough to get a manager who works remotely so I am able to work remotely. The hard part is getting through the education, there are routes for people who can tolerate working for the government where you get a full ride scholarship through cyber corps, but then you are contractually obligated to work for the government for however long you get those benefits for. I was in the military so I use my GI bill. Now that I work from home, I haven't had to leave outside of necessity for 2 years, I've tried Amazon for food but they don't ship meats, I do like to cook, so that's my only reason to leave my house.

>>849

My step mom used to do that, dunno if she does anymore but she used to buy all of the Christmas gifts with swagbucks

>>5816

Sounds like you're living the dream, with such high pay it must be kind of a stressful job with a lot at stake. Working a remote job myself but it's just a contract thing that gives me maybe $9-$10k after self-employment taxrape. At least I can afford food and to replace my old computer.

Are there any hikkis here that actually do programming-related work from home? I'm wanting to get into programming so that I can make some income for myself. I'm not talking about some amazing 100k a year job, just something basic that nets some sort of money. I want to know what kind of skills I should be learning and where I'd look for remote work.

>>5651

Wanting to finish taocp before working is the equivalent of wanting to finish the dictionary before speaking. You are using this as an excuse for procrastination: just work.

>>5635

will read

thanks anon

>>5831

>thanks anon

No problem buddy.

>>5820

It can be stressful, my entire team quit when I came into the company, some say it's because I came in making more than them, though I don't know how they knew about my salary. Ironically I am underpaid for this position, and that is because I took on everyone's work when they quit, when they hired more people I got part of their jobs too, more people quit and I take on their jobs as well, and still no bonus or raise. Eventually I left one team and got someone off the help desk a raise of $22k a year by having him take over just one of those things, and with that transition I was tasked with creating entirely new projects within my company, so I gain the work of 7 or so people, give one function away, and then get even more thrown on me and it's because they know my work ethic from being in the military. I'm the one person who will take whatever is thrown at me and run with it and get it taken care of. Been with the company for a year and a half, I figure at least pay me the median salary which is $90k a year. Luckily for me, I've been training members of other teams to take on things I've had to manage that fall under their specializations, and tomorrow I start training another person to take on a few things I took on from a guy who quit this year, soon after I can focus on the organizational programs to improve our security posture and I've been told I will be getting promoted to a team lead position and having some people hired for me to lead. No raise until at least next year because apparently you have to put someone's raise into the budget a year in advance. I'm a team player, but Jesus Christ the way corporations work is fucked.

Outside of that, I try to keep up with emerging vulnerabilities, and in some areas like cryptography, that's a full time job. I've been involved with executive level meetings regarding vulnerabilities, and they want me to do research on what the company should be doing and come up with a new policy which isn't anywhere close to my job description, but it's a step towards leadership roles which is where the money is at. Beyond that, entrepreneurship is where the money is at but there's a high risk of failure there.

My best advice for getting in on this kind of work is to self teach, there are virtual machines you can learn on like webgoat, metasploitable, or gruyere which is actually hosted online by Google. Getting a CEH cert is necessary, online classes would be a way to get into it as well. I went to a private university and didn't learn shit, but the community college in the major city I went to school in had a good program. The hard part is finding remote work, but startups are turning to remote workers because this field is extremely undermanned and if people can learn then they are willing to teach. Intern as much as you can.

>>5821

I'll have to try that, dunno if any of the local grociers will do that, I live in a really small town, less than 15k in my town.

>>5824

Look into what people who travel in RVs do, mostly freelance web developers.

In my head, if I learn Japanese then I can translate stuff for money. In reality its probably a lot harder than just learning Japanese. Anyone know a good way to start doing it for money once I learn to read?

>>5841

I don't know too much about manga translators but you could possibly make a few dimes off of that but I'm not too certain.

>>5632

Lurker here. This is a very interesting idea. I've been freelancing on freelancer.com for 8 years now, but it's getting harder to compete with indian and Chinese programmers. Also I'm getting sick of doing wwebdev. So what I propose is that all of us bid on the same project to increase the chances of any of us getting the project. Then we complete the project and share profits or deposit in a "master" account from which neets can get a monthly allowance. It's multiple ideas at once and by bad English skill makes it harder to explain.

On another note, I'm trying to make simple android games with unreal engine 4 to publish in play store. Hopefully I'll get some adbucks. It's something you might want to consider. Also, there is itch.io where you can upload your games and ask for donation.

Please excuse my bad english. I need to practice more.

>>5845

I checked all of my grocers here, none of them do. :/

In USA, govt cant take away means tested support, aka SSI, ala Autismbucks. You can still potentially get credit while on disability. If you can't pay back the debt, they can't take away your SSI money, so if you want to have a party good time, then, if you SSI, then get credit, build credit. AND

commit chargeback fraud. (dont criminal, hikis. srsly) If you dont make a habit of this, then you can mas out your credit cards buying resellable goods and then say it was fraud. Just make sure to do it on unsecured wifi in your area. Educate yourself.

If you fuck up, big consequences though.

>>5882

>tfw will never live in a cozy japanese town with a peaceful convenience store right on the corner where I can buy anything

Instead I have to walk 35 mins to Walmart because they have a self-checkout, whereas the dollar store 7 mins away does not.

>>5895

>Makes me wonder how many of us are put into some brat's cringe compilation whenever we actually go out for supplies.

I actually am curious about that as well.

>>849

If you can find a way to game swagbucks then do it. Often on the surveys they make you take them and once they get all the info they'll "disqualify" you and refuse payment. If you file a complaint they will terminate your account and take what little money you have made on their garbage site. They used to be fairly good but nowadays they stuff their website with gimmicks and garbage.

>>1550

What course should I do, besides programming

>>5959

Not him, but the system admin jobs can be good. If you get the certifications in this, then you can sometimes get remote jobs. Better your communication skills and practice the phone calls to get the job too, so public speaking courses can be good once you muster courage if your anxiety can be overcome.

So courses in complementary jobs will make you able to get similar jobs if you want to switch jobs, contacts from networking can be helpful.

I am learning english so that I can work my skills set in international context, across borders using the internet. I also have a side job where I sell tech support online to privite individuals who need expertise to pick their computer components. I order parts with their money and then box all together after I have take reciept of the parts as individuals then I mail the put together box by printing and tape the label to the box and have it picked up by the mail service. I make a modest fee but it takes little time. Something similar can be good. Sorry for my english if it is hard to understand.

Would becoming a bookkeeper or accountant be a good idea to make money as a hikki?

>>6041

But you can do those two jobs online.

>>6044

>But you can do those two jobs online.

Now that i didn't know guess i learned something new today thanks anon.

>>6045

It's alright mate, I wouldn't have brought up those two options otherwise lol. I've also consider website development.

>>6047

Yeah, although I'm a former hiki. More of a NEET now. What's your blog about?

>>6049

>Yeah, although I'm a former hiki. More of a NEET now.

How long were you a hikikomori until you moved on?

>What's your blog about?

it's linked right here. >>5635

>>6050

Would have had to have been about 3-4ish years I think. Between my first attempt at uni until my stepdad kicked me out. 2011-2015, then I got back in contact with some old friends. One is busy with his horde of kids and isn't really worth the time of day while the other moved in with his girlfriend and started a career. My human contact is now just my grandparents and people I see when I go out shopping. On one hand I wish I could stay within my house and it's yard but on the other hand I really wish I could find someone to start a family with.

>>6052

My second attempt will hopefully be soon.

I got a nice programming job they let me work from home. It's actually rather difficult and sometimes stressful, but that's because the work is hard, though I mostly enjoy it. My boss and coworkers are all really really nice and accommodating.

Occasionally I wonder if I should take advantage of the flexibility and travel, and then I think, what's the difference between being stuck in a room in California or stuck in a room in Berlin or Tokyo or Lima…

If any other programming anons are here, you may want to look into remote-friendly places like gitlab, stackoverflow, parse.ly. There are some more too.

>>6053

Hey, good luck with school anon. A lot of it can be pretty terrible but if nothing I think having something to do/make you feel accomplished is worth a lot, at least mentally speaking.

>>6056

idk if this disqualifies me, but I don't really have social anxiety, I can go to a bar and talk to any random stranger without a problem. It's just that when I actually try to (this is, of course in the past) make a friend it always always fails (either they say they're busy, or I give them my contact they never message me) and that makes me feel really terrible.Especially if it keeps happening over 5-6 years, since college. My father has schizoaffective/bipolar, so maybe it's a factor in this, anyway the last time I got "ghosted" I woke up, lying on the floor in a subway station 6 stops away from my home crying at 3am. No idea how I got there, wasn't on any drugs or alcohol or anything.

Eventually I said screw it and stopped trying to make friends. I feel a lot more stable now that I don't get my hopes up unnecessarily…

All this to say, no I don't have a problem talking to my coworkers because I know all they expect from me is communication about work and a bit of techy banter sometimes.

>>6057

It sounds like you weren't able to connect with people and that's why you withdrew from society would that be accurate in saying?

>>6058

I guess so. But even if I was able to connect to someone, I don't know if I'd want the responsibility of being a friend to someone. Honestly it's been so long (high school, I guess) I don't really know anymore.

>>5843

Paid comissions for translating certain manga could be feasible.

>>6063

>Are you at least content with your current situation?

I don't know. On a day-to-day basis, yeah I guess. Work is interesting, I like to cook and try out different recipes, reading manga and books, talking on imageboards to anons like you.

More abstractly, sometimes I feel like I'm only fine on the surface and I'm going to somehow destruct eventually. I know that social withdrawal is a Bad Thing for people. Maybe I should get a cat. If I've inherited schizophrenia and it starts presenting (I think it already has a bit, no idea, I'm kind of terrified of going to a psychiatrist) I think I'll have to go see a doctor and get some meds. It is truly a horrible disease

>how long have you been a hikikomori and how often do you leave the house?

Maybe around 6 months. Before that I would go to work in person, and go to restaurants and bars sometimes (always by myself). Most of my cooking is vegetables so I get groceries about once/1.5 wks, luckily the supermarket is only a block away. I need a haircut and am wondering whether to just do it myself, since I'm not trying to impress anyone anyway.

> I usually only leave once a month for groceries and every other week for fast food and that's about it really.

By the way, are you content with your situation? Are you staying with family or by yourself? What kind of food do you cook that lets you leave only once a month? I've been thinking about freezing vegetables but I feel like that'd ruin the quality

>>6065

>I need a haircut and am wondering whether to just do it myself, since I'm not trying to impress anyone anyway.

I've always went to the barber but I hated it, now I do it myself, just buy a cheap electric shaver and do it. No more anxiety for me.

>>6071

>i wake up and feel sad

Same, anon. Luckily we have media to live vicariously through, right?

>now i live in a house

Is it nice there? Do you get good wifi and AC and stuff? Are you in the US?

>do you think i should change something in my diet?

idk, that's up to you really. It's probably not super healthy which in my experience definitely makes you feel worse, if you wanted to you could start by cutting out soda and candy and see if you feel better

>>6072

haha, I just went at it with a large pair of scissors. Probably looks terrible but at least it's short now. Also, does that electric razor actually work well as a cartridge razor?

>>6074

yeah, i don't shave or get haircuts and my hair almost reaches mid back, i see no point in cutting it now right now since i don't venture out into the norper world.

>>6082

Looks really good. I wish I could let my hair grow like that, but mine has a will of its own, so I can't make it look good unless I cut it at least four times a year, though I only do it once or twice anyway. At best I can make it just a little bit messy, and I can appreciate that, but just in a few minutes it frequently turns into a mess that I believe no one with the slightest amount of sanity would like.

>>6083

>Looks really good. I wish I could let my hair grow like that,

That pic actually wasn't me.

>At best I can make it just a little bit messy, and I can appreciate that, but just in a few minutes it frequently turns into a mess that I believe no one with the slightest amount of sanity would like.

Mine does the same.

>>6082

I thought that was the case, the point is that I wish mine didn't suck. That would be great, and I wouldn't have to cut it as much.

I can think to this short listed options off top my head:

=Selling Handmade stuff

=Selling yours old stuff like retro tech

=Drawing waifus or OC, even niche porn big commission

=Translating Manga (also doujinshi)

=Blog Farming

=Muh Programming (will be automated, but maybe good to you)

=Streaming/Youtubing/Camwhoring

=Paid Writing (even porn writing)

=Translating untranslated books

=Bitcoining mining (maybe unprofitablto expand, but if already have tech)

=Wear a Blackhat, Ransomware, Javascript Mining, Botnet.

=Internet White Collar Crime

=VPS Selling

=HTML programming (Don't spread around, is too much money)

>>6105

It is actually easy scamming gullible retards out of their bitcoins.

They bought their coins years ago without a receipt. Now they want to cash out but all exchanges will not allow them as they have no proof of source. So what they do is go on p2p platforms and deal with shady figures in hope of getting some cash.

If you scam those they can not run to police because they would have to explain why those btc in question do not appear in any of their previous tax reports.

>>6105

I am

>>6102

and while you're right in principle, and I'm not advocating crime merely saying it is one of many opportunities to make money, while you're right that avoiding giving the police (or anyone else) a reason to fuck your shit up. And that would be one of the most devastating experiences for a Hikki.

Some crimes are very difficult to detect. Being a _documented_ (ie doctors visits, meds, psych notes, even just people who know your habits) Hikki would make you an unlikely criminal, and make it difficult to commit these crimes.

One I've thunk on is Chargeback fraud (Internet White Collar). You basically buy something with credit cards and then tell your bank it was someone else (a fraudster), you never recieved the goods (sometimes doesnt work), or the goods were not as described. Your bank, after dealing with the merchant, probably pays you back. If they dont the first time, YOU CAN APPEAL.

If you buy goods to resell (digital goods are easy to sell from home. and you don't have to leave your house to pick up goods from a drop) you can literally max out your credit cards for cash, and then never have to pay back a cent.

The scheme is how you get out of the debt, turn the goods into any liquid asset, and not get in trouble.

OTHER THAN American Express, (so visa, mastercard, and smaller companies) the card issuer is on your side, basically. If you can make the purchases look like they originated from another persons house (not your neighbors unsecured wifi that you can use from inside your house) and claim fraud, that's probably the safest way to claim. I wont tell you how to fake this stuff. But if you can get as much as 5000 in credit, you can have maybe 4000 in your wallet after frictional costs. with a 10000 limit, say $8000. Not advocating crime, just explaining why people do it.

You could while all ways Nightcrime

>>6119

I don't know about the finance stuff but as someone who majored in CS and did a lot of security/ethical hacking stuff in school, if you do blackhat hacking work and you're in the US, you will get caught. It's only a matter of time. There are so many ways that you leave digital traces and inevitably you'll mess up erasing them and be caught.

And again I don't know about finance but that sounds like a really great way to go to jail for credit card fraud. Idk, it doesn't seem worth it.

>>6129

I'm with (you) on this. I only browse off of TAILS from the wifi on my next door neighbor. If you commit any financial crime that leaves an incriminate trace, you will will ge t caught.

Any hikkis here know how i can get money doing programming jobs?

I know some basics but i'm not exactly that good at it, which honestly makes it much harder.

Is there any good niches in tech that i could get into?

>>6603

hey. i have an acquaintace online that got a job finding bugs + standards checking software remotely. It is true that the low skill-cap programmer jobs are oversaturated by india but things that take more brain cpu are not, look into it anon.

>>6148

why not just use a bridge if you're paranoid about your isp noticing?

>>7082

Like i said here >>6105 the last thing a hikikomori needs is to go to jail.

>>7083

indeed. from a moral perspective I don't care about other people, but from an utterly selfish perspective they also aren't worth the slightest inconvenience to me.

I won't lift a finger to harm another person, nor save them from harm.

I think we should discuss reality here for a second working from home in the west is shit because working from home completely in the west is not realistic unless you're doing like cryptocurrency mining programming or investing in the stock market there are basically no at home jobs for hikikomori because almost every other at home job requires you to leave your house still for meetings and requires you to go to a in person interview or talk to a stranger on the phone which an actual hikikomori like myself could not do plus this lifestyle is not completely sustainable and the only kind of online jobs out there for people like us are jobs where you only make a small amount of money on the side because it is impossible to support yourself long term while being locked in your bedroom in the house that you live in in the end if you want to work from home you still have to interact with the outside world which a hikikomori can not do and in the end if you can not support yourself long term you either commit suicide return to society and become a wage slave or just wait to die that is kinda the truth of this whole thing tbh.

>>5631

Are you still alive anon? I sent an email to you but decided to reply here in case you don't use it anymore, but still browse here. If you've changed email and still are interested in finding more team members please post your new address here so I can resend it there instead.

>>5639

> (…) Masanobu Fukuoka's "do-nothing farming". Which is basically just throwing a bunch of different vegetable and crop seeds over the ground and leaving it alone to let whatever just grow, no watering or weeding or maintenance or anything.

I have nothing of substance to say, but I wanted to comment on how subtly hilarious this concept is.

>>7395

Don't fall for that con artist anon… They lure you in with a sob story you can relate to, a hope of gaining money and cute animu grills. You're better than that anon.

>>7395

5d2359 here. The anon who was 8c7283 joined and was going to show us the basics of doing freelance coding jobs, but disappeared the next day and never showed up again. Other than that, a couple practice sessions working with the Laravel PHP framework, and one or two discussions about ideas for a visual novel, nothing ever happened. There are only three of us left, and we've been completely idle for months because none of us has any idea for something we could work on.

I think he's using the address xrp@airmail.cc now, so you could try that if you don't get a response with the old address.

I've tried several ways to earn money while at home through the years and nothing really works. Started blogging at the end of 2010 after someone on an imageboard tried to start a shitposting blog circle to get money. Most of the bloggers that didn't abandon the project right away got more serious and we continued with this for a little more than a year, but by 2012 most had quit. Didn't earn anything on this because of low traffic. I guess manchildren discussing video games, cartoons and real life problems wasn't interesting to anyone, and I think most of us actually didn't want anyone outside of the group to actually read our shit. Kinda miss those days.

Anyone on here that did this?

>>849

>>5905

Used to work as a slave on swagbucks with polls, surveys and those horrible crowdflower tasks all day everyday back in 2011-12 or whenever it was. Could spend entire days only doing this shit, tedious mind-numbing tasks that pay next to nothing. When I finally got enough points for an Amazon gift card I got an error message stating rewards aren't available for my country even though they accepted international users according to their rules. Tried contacting them several times, they never answered and instead deleted my account. Years later I was stupid enough to go back and try again without any luck, this time they needed verification by a code they send either via sms (don't have a phone) or regular mail (not giving out address to scammers).

Tried several other similar sites with mostly the same results, either being banned for no reason when reaching the lowest redeemable amount (Slicethepie), being banned for no reason right away (InstaGC), not being able to redeem your money (Valued Opinions, seems to be a common problem with people getting banned when they complain).

I've also tried some sites that give you points to redeem for paypal cash for watching videos, these are not worth the time since you only earn about 10 cents a day (if you even get any ads, these are the ones that pay you, not the actual videos) and you constantly have to babysit them.

>>793

I do these almost every day now and have done so for the past five years since I've found some that are kind of reliable. There's way less surveys to do here (Sweden) and you earn less on them as well, compared to the US and the UK. Some pay you through paypal when you reach $10 (these are slow and it can take from half a year to over a year to earn this sum), but most pay in gift cards. While I'd much rather take money, the gift cards at least gives me a free game or some free books once in a blue moon.

Boring mind-numbing work and most surveys are aimed at middle class normalfags, but it's something.

>>7082

If your that desperate you should be able to qualify for disability benefits. Theoretically, you could successfully get such benefits even if you wouldn't ordinarily qualify for them.

I got a job and fucking hate it, I don't belong in a workplace environment and with people I genuinely don't. I discovered transcriptionist, basically listen to audio and write it down, it's not as easy apparently I've heard some test tapes and all I heard was mumbling you have to develop an ear for it. I'm a lazy fuck too so I didn't bother.

Has anyone had any success working online doing writing? Blogs? Copywriting? Porn?

>>7628

I'm very amateur at art (porn) but I managed to attain a small and growing following on a few sites and am now able to do individual $20-$30 commissions that give me some extra spending money. It took a few months of taking free requests and consistently posting on various art sites, but things are honestly looking up at this point.

>>7692

I deliberately stick to very popular subjects/fandoms so that I'm able to get away with my mediocre skills. We could discuss this in more detail if you want (discord or wherever), because I feel I should spare everyone the pain of reading about the intricacies of some of these cringey fandoms. Either way, interacting with people who want commissions was scary at first I'll admit, but after a little while I realized that they all basically act either very nice/polite, or like fucking spazoid autists that can barely form a coherent sentence, so I just look at them as such.

>>7694

I have many, but I want to know this important question in this hikki understanding environment- is it necessary to be "social" on twitter like interacting and befriending other artists in order to get commissions? The end goal is to bring people to your commissions page, whoever that maybe. I don't want to befriend or talk to someone on the internet regularly; its true that I don't trust people (especially failed normalfags on twitter/youtube who are all sociopaths, pursuing their goals to live in Hollywood for fame, like a bucket of degenerate crabs) but its also mentally straining for me to talk to someone regularly. Even posting to craft the best message here that I can without over-explaining, or being too vague etc. eats up a lot of time (and a bit of anxiety) so I rarely post and enjoy being anonymous.

tl;dr having decent online presence or an identity to maintain tires me enough but I can't handle having to 'make connections' or talk to people regularly.

>>7710

Okay, so the most I ever do is 'follow' other nsfw artists, and OCCASIONALLY comment positive things like "the shading here is so well done etc etc". The reason I do this is to establish a presence among the community. I never have actual conversations with anyone, and the closest I ever come to conversations are when people ask me for commissions, but those are usually very brief and require only 'yes/no' answers.

Hope that helps. I very much understand wanting to avoid conversation at all costs, but if you've got any questions feel free to ask.

>>7713

I totally understand wanting to remain anonymous, but would it be possible for me to see some of your work? I'm curious as to what type of content another hikki produces.