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b30fe6 No.4120 [Last50 Posts]

The worst thing for me as a hikki is that I am slowing but steadily un-learning my own native language.

English isn't my native language, it's German. I have no social contacts, no friends, no one, I don't even really talk to my family (rarely only). I don't have online friends either. 90% of all "conversations" I have are posting in English on 4chan (full of fucking normies though) or 8ch.

I can't say a full sentence in German without stuttering, and fucking up the tone and stress of the words. I also struggle remembering words, and sometimes I mess up the more complicated grammatical structures.

It goes without saying that the same applies to English, since I only ever write English and never speak it out loud.

I feel like a foreigner in my own country.

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dd3993 No.4121

>I feel like a foreigner in my own country.

Blame Merkel and the massive influx for that, anon. Plenty of Germans feel that way.

On the other hand, I know where you're coming from. The only times I use my native language is to say "thank you" or something to the clerks at the check-out aisle.

I can still pronounce words fine, but my sentence structure is definitely borrowed from English, to the point where certain sentences I say natively are just fucked entirely. And I do forget words all the bloody time, so I just say an English word with a native ending, and hope that it's an international word.

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da5dee No.4122

Honestly i do feel that my vocabulary is slipping to an extent.

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7e1db7 No.4126

File: a74a2dc7368e7aa⋯.jpg (48.4 KB,775x845,155:169,a74a2dc7368e7aa2d7e1f95788….jpg)

>>4120

It happens, when I was deep in hikkidom, among other effects like going insane, I was losing my speech capability. I almost couldnt find any words, and the ones I found came out in mumbles at best. Usually I sound like a drunk person speaking really fast, and I still do sometimes

I'm in class now, and let me tell you, speech is a fucked up human ability. It's been 5 months and I still can't speak, my thoughts are more fluid but the face is a muscle you need to train. When I try to speak my face feels like an 80yo man trying to jump, I cant chain words after words and say them out loud clearly

So, if you value your ability to communicate with other people, practice it. Read out loud long and complex speeches to practice your face muscles. That's what I'm gonna start doing I think. You're not going to need long, well thought sentences as much as expressing short ideas clear as day

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da5dee No.4127

>>4126

> when I was deep in hikkidom, among other effects like going insane, I was losing my speech capability. I almost couldnt find any words, and the ones I found came out in mumbles at best.

My vocabulary or speech in general hasn't gotten that bad yet however i do notice that it has been kinda sliping within the past 2 years.

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dd3993 No.4129

>>4126

I think in this regard, it helps to read more and talk to yourself a lot, especially out loud. Though it doesn't help me with my native language, mostly because at this point I mainly talk and think in English.

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da5dee No.4130

>>4129

> Though it doesn't help me with my native language, mostly because at this point I mainly talk and think in English.

Oh yeah that can be kinda difficult.

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68a51c No.4131

>>4120

It's similar for me, but not quite that bad (yet).

My German used to be really top-of-the-line since I read a bunch of old history books that used pretty complicated words back in elementary school though, and nowadays I don't stutter as much as I simply can't remember better synonyms and am stuck using a really basic version of German. I sound like a grade schooler, essentially.

It doesn't help that I'm more or less exclusively consuming Nip media nowadays, where German translations range from nonexistent to grating. I'd have to force myself to read more German books to correct it, but I just can't be bothered to.

>>4126

What I do is long speeches on my political or philosophical ideas while walking in a circle in my house.

In English instead of my native language though, because expressing complex ideas in German is out of reach right now.

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b30fe6 No.4132

>>4131

I feel like it's acceptable nowadays (among young people at least) to mix in random English words into German sentences. But my parents would get confused by that because they don't speak English

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feaf0a No.4133

>>4132

Just because it's acceptable doesn't mean it's a good idea. That's how a language goes to die.

Not that I don't need to do it occasionally when talking to my family, when exactly what you say happens and I need to try and define an English word in a language I barely speak anymore.

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bcc329 No.4151

File: 656238b47723ca3⋯.png (80.41 KB,1233x336,411:112,soon.png)

Something similar here, not quite as bad as your case OP but bad enough that im often clueless about what people in my language of any age or social group mean when they talk and the ever changing slang only makes it nearly impossible to understand without asking to be spoonfed. And my words and language structure come off as unnatural in both languages. I've noticed I can't speak more than a few sentences without my throat hurting. That's not the bad part, what's really bad is when I spend weeks without even communicating through imageboards and limit myself to lurking, the ability to properly express my thoughts in either language even to myself dimishes and like a vicious circle makes me retreat from any form of human contact more and more, I can sort of conjure sentences but they are heavily influenced by what I was previously reading, as in im literally regurgitating things without an ability of my own. Pic describes more accurately the source of my problem. Fuck that pic, makes me sad knowing that's the path im on.

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f2ec9c No.4157

File: 6a3093781756300⋯.png (65.7 KB,523x346,523:346,awoo7575678.png)

>>4131

>I simply can't remember better synonyms and am stuck using a really basic version of German

This is what depresses me the most, tbh. I always used to take a great deal of pride in my natural ability to articulate the full range of my vocabulary with impeccable fluency and precision, in either French or English. Nowadays, that's all gone, and I can barely manage a spitting of low-function toddler-speak without deliberate premeditation, and even then…

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3d2cd2 No.4169

I started reading local websites, using the on-demand offers of local TV stations (usually for old documentaries), listening to audiobooks in the local language and forcing myself to think and talk to myself (or imaginary others) in the local language to combat this. I might even start writing some form of diary.

My big dream ATM is to attend the free meal at a neighborhood church, once a week, or even just once in a while. There are plenty of street-folk and lonely seniors there who don't mind casual conversations with strangers and who know how it feels like to have things you'd rather not talk about.

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da5dee No.4170

File: 92f015e949f7b08⋯.jpg (68.17 KB,1280x720,16:9,Watamote - 01 - Large 01.jpg)

>>4169

I do this as well i try to read as much as i can everyday that way i don't end up forgetting how to read and pronounce words though i will admit i do get lazy sometimes and just have my computer read whatever is on the screen to me.

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3d2cd2 No.4171

>>4133

I used to talk in English with my father and some friends of ours. Sometimes half a conversation would pass before anybody noticed we were using the "wrong" language. It happened because we were all in the IT business and never had a reason to express the things we were talking about in any other language.

>>4170

Try reading out aloud, as if to an audience. If you want to be more courageous than me. Another dream of mine is to record an audio book. I already bought a good microphone. Now I just have to get myself to actually use it.

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da5dee No.4172

>>4171

>Try reading out aloud, as if to an audience. If you want to be more courageous than me.

Thanks ill. try this.

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4e309f No.4176

File: 5336417dd68035e⋯.png (4 KB,553x123,553:123,pimmel och.png)

I have this problem as well.

My computer and all programs are in English as well. Sometimes I think in English and come up with certain words faster in English than in German.

It just happens when you are immersing yourself with different languages. When you use English for communication all day long and browsing the net, watch cartoons in japanese and movies in cantonese and youtube videos in English.

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da5dee No.4180

>>4176

> When you use English for communication all day long and browsing the net, watch cartoons in japanese and movies in cantonese and youtube videos in English

I do this all the time.

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90becd No.4186

I'm experiencing the same thing, I do talk to my parents sometimes or a friend from my country online but I've noticed how I need to look up my native tongue's words for things that I can already easily communicate in english. It used to be the other way around, I didn't even pay attention to the change until I had to look up multiple words one conversation.

I've also lost the ability to make friends as I barely at all small talk anymore, I have no idea how to strike up a conversation or keep one going with new people.

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da5dee No.4189

File: 6078359f28154c3⋯.png (65.39 KB,346x327,346:327,1508920778854.png)

>>4186

>I've also lost the ability to make friends as I barely at all small talk anymore, I have no idea how to strike up a conversation or keep one going with new people.

I know that feel bro i can't stand having friends anymore especially online i'm starting to distance myself from most of the websites i use to visit actually.

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c7856a No.4190

>>4186

>I have no idea how to strike up a conversation or keep one going with new people.

I can't seem to do it either. A few years back when I was doing college and working part-time, I had to talk to strangers a lot. I figured that after a while I would get pretty good at conversation, but it never happened. I still can't keep a conversation flowing with anyone that I haven't known for at least a year. The only strangers I have ever been able to talk to are anonymous people online.

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297798 No.4191

File: fa7dc44fa513c0b⋯.png (74.04 KB,500x265,100:53,ClipboardImage.png)

>>4189

> i'm starting to distance myself from most of the websites i use to visit actually.

I know what you mean by these words man

I've stopped going on almost 80% of the websites that I used to be active on them anymore

And now I only browse /hikki/, wizchan and watching Asmr videos on youtube

I can't stand nothing anymore neither online friends nor even playing videogames besides I've never had an online friend except for one person on discord we used to talk lately though we aren't online most of the time and we stopped talking as much as we did one month ago

I don't know what I've to do anymore

I get that feel of loneliness everyday there's a urge to interaction growing up inside of me

I hope I won't end up killing myself soon as I started looking down at everything

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da5dee No.4193

>>4191

>I hope I won't end up killing myself soon as I started looking down at everything

I know this feeling all too well.

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01e027 No.4271

I'm a recovering hikikomori

In my case I don't stutter with words but rather it's like I just assume everyone I talk to understands the context of the given situation and can understand me even if I speak slowly or inside my mind. I have noticed that whenever someone ask me a question or seeks explanation about something I usually speak in a very fast and low tone of voice or even I don't talk at all and instead I imagine I give them the explanation or answer. This really makes me look somewhat weird and awkward, people sometimes

just smile awkwardly back at me or insists me to speak clear and louder.

>>4126

Thanks for this advice anon, I will put it into practice

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8685dd No.4423

I slur in my speech now. I have a hard time forming ideas. Just the other day it struck me that the last full conversation I had with someone was 11 years ago.

It used to bother me when I met someone who slurred their words. It's not hard to enunciate properly, I thought—yet here I am.

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8685dd No.4424

>>4271

Glad to see a fellow recoverer, there's not a lot among hikkis.

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e155a5 No.4452

>>4120

Are you taking medication that would cause this?

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fc87ff No.5062

>>4120

Source of the OP image?

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731200 No.5188

My accent is messed up now. All voice I make is pretty much within my head, so my accent just kinda drifted off in the years into some made up accent, unfettered by others. I live in Canada, I don't sound like other people, O's and A's and T's are all different, kinda sound Scottish or something. . Listening to old recordings of my voice is freaky. idc though I like how I sound.

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da5dee No.5200

>>5188

>My accent is messed up now

Try to work on it and in time you should be able to fix it.

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340bd7 No.5429

File: 9d012c5060a385c⋯.jpg (12.88 KB,255x205,51:41,smart epep.jpg)

>>5188

Can you upload a recording please? My hobby is linguistics and I'd be really interested in trying to figure out the changes going on in your personal dialect.

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787730 No.5471

>>4120

>I feel like a foreigner in my own country.

Don't you worry, anon.

Soon it's not even going to be your country anymore, let alone a german speaking one.

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7017ea No.5489

File: 83ef184be1a07a3⋯.jpg (136.78 KB,770x782,385:391,1448478364717.jpg)

>>4120

In my case I was never really good due my 'native' dialect.

I live in a region where there is no default Deutsch at all and anyone who doesn't have a dialect is frowned upon and treated like an outsider. I hate it.

I've been writing most of my life but I just can't seem to let my worries fade. There's always this nagging that my stories aren't even coherent, the grammar is fucked up or I make spelling mistakes.

Nobody will ever read my work so I shouldn't care, it's for myself. But knowing that I'm not good in one of my favorite activities drags me down so.

I was never good in german-class, my texts were a horrendous mess, this isn't different in any way.

Writing in dialect is out of the question (so is writing in English, just look at this mess of a post)

I apologize for my ranting, I'm having an episode.

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a2ae54 No.5499

File: 724e9c1292d5332⋯.jpg (105.78 KB,675x1200,9:16,30707460_2041210049452815_….jpg)

>>5489

I'm sure I'd love to read some of your stuff. Maybe consider showing it to the anons over here?

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638d39 No.5510

>>5489

>I've been writing most of my life but I just can't seem to let my worries fade. There's always this nagging that my stories aren't even coherent, the grammar is fucked up or I make spelling mistakes.

Are you me anon? Whenever I write I always have this nagging feeling that there is something inherently wrong with my writing, but i can´t put my finger onto it.

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44aaed No.5614

File: 5a25aa9a62acec4⋯.jpg (38.64 KB,374x347,374:347,142351103950.jpg)

Same as OP, but my first language is Portuguese. My tongue often rolls itself and I can't speak well. The good thing is that one of my hobbies is writing so that part is fine. Besides that, I still use it a lot in the internet.

Sadly, I'm still not fluent in English and it's a pain in the ass having problems in the 2 languages that you can actually speak. I was planing on self studying Japanese but I gave up because of that. Probably I'll fuck it up when learning because the lack of skills in both languages.

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45ca15 No.5619

>>5614

>my first language is Portuguese

Are you from Portugal or Brazil? just asking because i know a little bit of Brazilian Portuguese.

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b0e0a1 No.5623

>>5619

From Brazil, which makes the hikki life even harder, if you are from here as well.

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45ca15 No.5626

>>5623

>From Brazil, which makes the hikki life even harder, if you are from here as well.

I've heard Brazil is a shit country.

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49f5e4 No.5627

File: 6571c9501c09eb4⋯.jpg (15.43 KB,348x219,116:73,1452639286837-1.jpg)

>>5626

Corruption and the stupid, extroverted population are the main issues. Besides that, it's easy to get some neetbux by attending college for 6 months and droping it or by a psychiatrist from being unable to keep working (which is my case).

Working here doesn't make any sense, since our minimum wage in the private sector is like 250-300 USD, some government employees have a wage 10 times higher than that and you can only get in if someone invite you or by an absurd test. And don't talk about buying anything from outside, since there's an almost 100% taxation on imported stuff. It's just ridiculous. And even if you work for the government,don't talk about buying anything from outside, since there's an almost 100% taxation on imported stuff. It's just ridiculous.

At least you can survive well with a minimum wage, but you can't even buy cool stuff without starving.

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2fa773 No.5649

I totally forgot about how to speak properly in either my native language and in English, but it doesn't bother me to some extent. because I don't have any friends or family members that I can talk to them, I sit in my room all day long playing video games and watching videos on youtube, I can write better in English than my native language because I'm doing everything in English,also due to the time I've spent reading articles and listening to podcasts my listening and reading skills is very good now and that's what I wanted tbh. I don't interact with no one why bother caring about my speaking ability. however, there are alot of words in English that I don't know their meaning and I struggle to understand the more complicated articles.

Its like I'm lost I can't write in my native language because I've forget alot about it and there aren't any places on the internet where I can use it aside from Facebook twitter etc,Meanwhile, I can't use English properly to express my ideas

Although, I'm trying to improve my English writing skills I get bored because I don't have anyone to practice with or get feedback from so I stopped and I only listen to the language

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16d47b No.5662

So, as pathetic as it may be, I’ve decided to get into the habit of using my mother for conversation practice. She’s the only real social outlet that I have and the only person I feel comfortable enough around to talk to. I’m doing this because I feel as though I’ve completely lost any capacity to hold a conversation, even just small-talk, and this is the only way that I can think of to help rehabilitate myself. I’ve told her about this since she asked why I was so talkative all the sudden, and she has agreed to entertain my autism and have these 30-45 minutes talks with me every other morning, which she has been good for so far.

It’s honestly a kind of a blackpill how anxious I get even just talking with my immediate family members.

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45ca15 No.5663

File: 5d61f9f26ee196c⋯.png (353.62 KB,836x426,418:213,watamoteep1.png)

>>5662

>So, as pathetic as it may be, I’ve decided to get into the habit of using my mother for conversation practice. She’s the only real social outlet that I have and the only person I feel comfortable enough around to talk to

I don't think that's pathetic anon i think that's a good first step to try to reconnect with people. Try to open up with her as much as you can and tell her that you love her because someday she will pass on and no longer be with you.

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ea928e No.5665

File: 5d08cea6435da1e⋯.gif (2.37 MB,512x288,16:9,18d5f833db9a2f0a9e92243f8f….gif)

>>5662

Tbh, Anon, I think that's absolutely adorable! I want to pinch your cheek. It is pretty pathetic, though. I hope it works out for you.

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77d9a1 No.5679

It's happening to me too. I stutter too much when speaking in my native language. But I think this is more of a communication problem rather than language-specific.

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5e2a35 No.5680

File: 892f0bcec1315b9⋯.jpg (64.75 KB,520x783,520:783,6874680619_f01998e332_o.jpg)

My speech is better than it was before but I find sometimes words get mixed up for example kettle->oven no idea why it happens because in my head it's the correct word but it changes when spoken

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d80f22 No.5794

There was a year which I spent nearly completely in my room (I wasn't absent to school, but I never, in any occasion, talked with anyone). This period is probably relatively short, but I have experienced some problems during and after it. They are mostly related to intelligence, and it shows that I have declined, because I am intellectually gifted and I had a good education. I still have them today, but they are more moderate now. They were:

1) Forgetting social skills: this was probably caused because I have Asperger's syndrome. I learned some social skills progressively throughout my life, but when I stopped using them, I forgot them. Also, during this period, I did not talk with anyone in the Internet as well, so I really didn't talk with anyone;

2) Problems with memory, attention, creativity, and reasoning: it seemed that I wasn't capable of creating the most slightly original idea during this period, and I was very creative before. I also had problems with memory, and I couldn't even remember things which were said by others seconds before, and that was very common. In 30% of the time I started thinking about something different, I forgot what I was thinking before, and I struggled to remember it (most times, I didn't). I couldn't pay attention to what people were saying as well (I only paid attention to teachers).

3) Thinking and writing unconsciously: it is very difficult to me to connect one idea with another. Sometimes, I am thinking about something original, and I try to describe it with words. However, I tell the first thing that appears in my mind, after 5 seconds, and that is a mess. I say nonsense things, that have nothing to do with what I am thinking. Also, I committed serious mistakes in the last years due to that, which were embarrassing, and I don't want to share here.

I am under-18, and I am from Brazil. This period was between 2016 (which was the most serious year) and 2017. Everyone I have talked to about that subject didn't believe that was true, and they thought that this was nonsense, so I had no help. Even my psychologist treated me as if I was stupid, he talked with me like if he was having casual conversation, changing subjects, not answering things as I wanted, giving superficial answers, and other things (I only talked about things which were relevant to my treatment). Luckily, I am going to a new psychologist, so I hope that this one will be better than the former. What annoys me is that this psychologist had a very good education, yet he was totally unprofessional. Also, my classmates where I went did nothing to help me integrate there, they ignored me all the time, it even seemed like they didn't like me.

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287c4b No.5835

File: 9bd7711155d31d9⋯.png (659.86 KB,750x766,375:383,1523102480304.png)

>>5794

If you're thinking about being autistic or something, you should go to a psychiatrist as well. All that psychologists would do is talking to you and making you understanding yourself with chit chating, but the psychiatric will try to scratch the problem out of you and ask for symptoms, looking for a possible mental disease and ways to cure it, by therapy or drugs.

Vai pro CAPS, filho da puta.

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d80f22 No.5836

>>5835

I was diagnosed as an aspie when I was 4 years-old, by another psychologist. My father's got Asperger's too, and he saw some signs of it on me, which is why he suspected that.

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a404ec No.6026

>>5794

> Even my psychologist treated me as if I was stupid

> What annoys me is that this psychologist had a very good education, yet he was totally unprofessional.

The more of them I see, the more convinced I am that even psychologists don't really care about you. It's really disillusioning. They're a helping profession, they're supposed to care. But for the most part they don't.

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a404ec No.6027

>>5794

> Thinking and writing unconsciously: it is very difficult to me to connect one idea with another. Sometimes, I am thinking about something original, and I try to describe it with words. However, I tell the first thing that appears in my mind, after 5 seconds, and that is a mess. I say nonsense things, that have nothing to do with what I am thinking.

Do you still do that, anon? I'm having a lot of trouble with that too. Still working on it though.

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96147e No.6034

My arabic isn't the greatest since we don't really use it in our daily lives but we use a totally different dialect. My french is degenerating although all my study subjects are in french but i don't use it in conversations or anything, i noticed my vocabulary isn't that rich and my mind goes blank when i try to make a phrase and i mix between french and english in terms of orthography.

My english is much better than my french imo since i used to play and still playing some mmos that is if my shitty set isn't letting me down. Currently i'm just browsing exactly 3 imageboards all day or watch KBS or NHK (Like you learn 2 languages at the same time)

I feel empty because i don't enjoy anything and i'm delaying a really important project and i feel bad about it.

My cats are the only ones that comfort me each day.

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f2aef5 No.6110

File: b0f0fe8c0e929a6⋯.jpg (22.5 KB,320x386,160:193,sjjw.jpg)

>>4120

French hikki here, after highschool i decided to drop out and locked myself up, been trying to keep myself busy till now by mostly reading japanese stuff, drawing and posting on 8chan/4chan in english. I use english for literally everything, words come up easily and faster and the grammar isn't as retarded than in french, i feel more at ease. But because of that, i forgot to take care of my french and it has gotten worst, it's so bad that i've been only using it little to none in the past several months outside greetings and such. I struggle to find my words and can't use more than basic french, althought if something would ask me to translate a few words i could still but it simply doesn't come up as easily like before.

Now that i think of it, I've never had friends before as well and always been rarely talking to my parents or family, i feel like a stranger in my own home. I don't even know if i should talk to them anymore. I also been sent out to a psychologist by my parents for tests because they were worried about my situation and he diagnozed me with autism. Probably why i've never liked to communicate with people or interact with my surrounding, i've been alone my entire life. im not even turned on by real girls and spend my time jerking off to anime girls instead. Honestly i feel like a failure as a human being.

My dream was to live in Japan but i don't know if i want to anymore, not in that state. Should i drop the idea of learning japanese?

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cc1015 No.6113

I feel like half the time I'm in some sort of non verbal childish mode where my voice sounds less mature and I can barely get a proper sentence out without sounding retarded.

I got no idea what triggers this since my inner monologue isn't even that inarticulate, It's like im inside a broken machine.

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69fa29 No.6115

This already happened to me a long time ago. Years of neglecting my German, watching Chinese and Japanese media with English subtitles and posting on English forums made me get better at English but degenerated my German to the status of a Elementary school kid. Nowadays I know the English word for a thing faster than the German one and my speech patterns are elementary school like.

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045ddb No.6118

I'm from Oz, we speak english. I've been doing some shitposting in last months and I used bad english to pose as a foreign person, learning english. Ironically, when I try to communicate in english I make more errors and sound less intelligent. It feels harder to say what I want to say as well. Plus I picked up the habit of being lazy with spelling errors, which sucks

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45ca15 No.6123

>>6118

>I'm from Oz

Australia?

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ba3b6c No.6124

>>6110

Japan currently has two probable futures: Either it will maintain or increase its level of xenophobia, or it will become another Sweden. In neither case would I advise a foreigner to attempt to move there.

However, if you enjoy Japanese media, it's still worth your time to learn Japanese, since translation/localization efforts are plummeting in quality these days.

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0f7685 No.6125

>>6124

Do you have any advice on how to get started learning Japanese? I've wanted to for a while now but haven't been able to find the motivation

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280399 No.6149

This is happening to me too, OP.

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c56ff8 No.6151

>>6123

New Zealand?

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96df8f No.6163

>>6124

>japan will either be a closed border gaijin fuck off country or become sweden level of refugees welcome

no such thing as a middle ground huh?

>>6151

who calls new zealand "oz"

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d3a948 No.6179

>>6163

I'd prefer they go the gaijin fuck off route to be perfectly honest. The last thing they need is Islam poisoning and attempting to overtake their relatively concentrated and uniquely disciplined society. Those refugees drag in massive amounts of violent crime and have no intention of assimilating or respecting local customs and culture. Fuck em

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62852e No.6195

File: bda2dbcc5615bf8⋯.jpg (130.73 KB,640x678,320:339,bda.jpg)

>>6179

You need to stop watching right-wing political propaganda, they know nothing about Japan. The middle east is nearer to Europe than Japan, it would make no sense for them to go in mass there anyway, especially considering that Japan never colonized or bombed their countries for Israel in the first place, unlike the West. Of course here is nothing good about political correctness, but there is also nothing good about praising xenophobia and normalfag nationalism.

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cbd1f8 No.6324

similar thing happened to me anon. I am a native English speaker and don't speak any other language. Since I'm a hikki and don't go outside or have many social interactions with anyone, I mostly speak to others through text. When I started using a voice chat program to communicate after 5-6 months of not speaking out loud, I would constantly stutter and slur my words. I was so used to not speaking out loud that it made me sound completely retarded when I finally did.

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45ca15 No.6338

File: dbf4191d2c52360⋯.jpg (12.18 KB,400x226,200:113,3.jpg)

>>6324

>I am a native English speaker and don't speak any other language. Since I'm a hikki and don't go outside or have many social interactions with anyone, I mostly speak to others through text. When I started using a voice chat program to communicate after 5-6 months of not speaking out loud, I would constantly stutter and slur my words. I was so used to not speaking out loud that it made me sound completely retarded when I finally did.

To avoid this happening to me i usually talk to myself whenever i am alone with my own thoughts do you do the same anon?

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cbd1f8 No.6346

>>6338

I started to now.

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45ca15 No.6350

>>6346

>I started to now.

Good to hear anon.

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ba3b6c No.6352

File: e594715451222af⋯.jpg (23.65 KB,374x374,1:1,george fractals.jpg)

>>6195

>there is also nothing good about praising xenophobia

That became the prevailing belief in Rome after they allowed women into politics, and the results back then were the same as in modern-day Europe. If a nation stops being homogenous, it dies violently. You may not find it pleasant, but it's the truth.

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5bf413 No.6379

>>6352

if countries want to be a bit xenephobic that's fine and understandable but they should be mostly ethnically homogeneus like Japan or Germany once was/is without being crazy normalniggers lynching innocent people. This means no anti-muslim agenda that benefits forigen interests i.e Israel and Jews or artifical 'white nationalism' like americans make up. /pol/ is a cesspool of trash.

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d44ba8 No.6425

File: 1b1f7fc2e6770bd⋯.png (1.1 MB,1920x1080,16:9,screen_1920x1080_2018-02-2….png)

I've been through that as well. With time you feel like you are becoming some sort of savage that cant even communicate except for text. Something that helped me a lot through that and my social phobia was actually online games. I started by being forced to socialize in MMOs(some things are just impossible to do alone), slowly learning my way interacting with people, made some friends there (it was really scary at first). Some time after that, some really popular virtual reality game came out. I was scared shitless of talking to strangers at first, but by trying a little every day and just hanging out in the game at my own pace, I managed to talk to a lot of different people and meet others with similar interests. Unfortunately, my anxiety and phobias are far from cured so I didn't manage to keep any of those friends. If you asked me if I would like to speak with strangers on some online chat about a year ago, I would certainly say no, both because I hate people and am scared of them, but as I am now, I can look back and say that it was a good experience and it helped me so much. Maybe I matured a little as well. Currently, I'm not a hikki anymore, i've been studying and working part time for some months, but almost every week I have panic episodes where I just want to give up on everything and never go out again. Im doing my best, and hope anyone who reads this and feels the same can also give it a try. Just remember to take it easy.

In short, I became a hikki because of frustations with life and other people, but after years of reclusiveness I've realized that it's not necessary to pour that hate and fear on everyone else.

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cd96de No.6427

File: b7105534d7fff45⋯.png (827.63 KB,1360x768,85:48,7237.png)

>>6425

I can relate to that, being really into those games when I was a teenager. MMOs helped me as well (in fact, locking myself in my room for months and just playing these nonstop was the first really big change that happened to me as a person, in my life). It ended up having an effect on reality as well, because I tend to speak the way I write, so developing one inevitably improves the other. The difference is that even being on guilds, I still did everything alone. I was never able to initiate contact with other people, and always felt like asking for help would be rude and I didn't want to bother people (I'm like that in general, not just in games). I want to be useful and I can help other people, but it's difficult for me to accept help. Basically, I always played more than one character at once (being my own healer) so I could grind to higher levels on my own. I upgraded my computer a lot back then so it could handle this better. I succeed every time.

Always figured out some way of avoiding other people. I guess that's my specialty, and all of that was a clear sign of how I would end up later on. Then again, maybe playing MMOs all day every day for years and occasionally even doing 36 hour grinds (I think that's my record, and during that entire week, I played 16 hours a day) was also a sign of that. Maybe I should wonder what other people thought of my methods, or if they even noticed that it was kinda weird how I do really extreme things to avoid other people. Maybe someone else here did that, so I thought it was worth talking about. I don't play MMOs anymore, though. It's difficult to play them in a healthy way (especially for me, being ridiculously autistic and so reluctant to interact directly with someone else even in that situation, and I also easily become emotionally attached, and that never ends well in those games), and they are objectively not even good games to begin with, considering how much time they take and how they are in general. They are only valuable as kind of a social experience, and experience that I have already had. Also, every guild that I have been in ended disastrously. Avoiding language issues isn't a big deal either. It tends to degrade, but occasionally I write a lot and quickly recover. It only degrades because sometimes I just don't feel like saying anything for a month or two, even online. Talking to other people is harder until I get used to it and get used to them, but that has always been a thing, and I never talk to strangers nowadays.

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935fdd No.6428

File: 69563062000f84d⋯.jpg (58.59 KB,577x575,577:575,1521163775599.jpg)

Are you cursed if no one replies to your posts?

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1f24a8 No.6430

>>6428

we are not cursed if it's all a conspiracy

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467bef No.6432

>>6125

https://djtguide.neocities.org/

The standard would be to start with anon's anki 2k/6k deck, but I cannot recommend that from my experience.

Get Heisig's Remembering the Kanji I and II, as well as the anki deck for them, and Tae Kim's Japanese grammar.

Then do as much of them as you can per day. I do a chapter of grammar and 10 new Kanji a day.

The grammar is sectioned between elemental/basic/advanced. I'd recommend you repeat one section until it's 100% fixed in your head and only then start moving onto the next since you need perfect basic grammar to get any given sentence.

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67e64c No.6495

>>6113

>>6115

>>6118

Reading writing aloud helps, whether it's a book, or posts on here.

I did my best Steve Irwin impression for ozposter. I miss him, he was such a sweetheart

>>6427

I used to love MMOs, but I haven't looked at them the same way since losing my e friend of 5 years three years ago.

Ironically, I played a healer to meet more people and get my friend stuff, but people tend to project blame on healers, so I never actually made any. Though, I did help my friend out, which was nice.

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5b66fd No.6543

File: a49f6c5e5ca1513⋯.jpg (34.26 KB,462x527,462:527,C_EkuxkXUAAEgai.jpg)

>>6430

>conspiracy

Off-topic, but Is it just me or is that word extremely overused, especially by the likes of the media and normalfags? Life itself is a conspiracy if some kind of God is in fact real anyways if you think about it.

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ba3b6c No.6546

File: e66c3425906d247⋯.jpg (68.32 KB,550x347,550:347,pavlovdog.jpg)

>>6543

It's a control-word with a preprogrammed response. If you don't want the masses to believe in something, label it a "conspiracy" and they'll immediately reject it.

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0dfcf9 No.6570

These days I can say that I know English much more than my native language and I think I'm a bit closer to mastery. However, I still can't write as fluently as I want to ( If anyone have any suggestions regarding how to write fluently Please leave a reply)

I don't have anything to look forward too and I don't have any hobbies either. English has always been my hobby and I always wanted to improve it, but now that I'm capable of understanding practically 95% of English I grew sick of it. It isn't as challenging as it used to be. I'm no longer studying the language I'm enjoying it but that didn't last long though. I'm getting bored of reading books and watching movies. So I'm looking forward to find ways to write more fluently since it will be a bit challenging and fun again, But I don't know how maybe you guys know a way.

I really need to find a new hobby. I'm bored out of my mind staring at the wall for hours everyday.

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65f59f No.6599

File: 66c91505a8c61bd⋯.jpg (1.48 MB,2448x3264,3:4,e5568835ec99ff37e5aaf6ff0d….jpg)

>>6570

Keep using the language and it should improve on its own over time. That's what I did, at least. In my case, I never had to study in the first place, it's just that as a kid, I had a lot more balls than I do now for some reason. I guess it's because I never questioned whether or not something was a waste of time, so I just ignored that I didn't know English and used it anyway. I had a dictionary, and then the translator on AltaVista, that I only used to translate single words.

I used that to understand video games and a lot of websites (a lot of GeoCities stuff, because those were still the cool days, and everything was awesome unlike today). I actually played some games in Japanese a little later as well. A few games I played didn't have English versions, but had English scripts on the internet (no idea who even made that, but I think they were on GameFAQs), so I could use that to figure out what was going on, basically using a language that I barely knew to get past another language that I especially didn't know.

I wish I could go back to being that crazy and learn Japanese using the same method (playing games that don't use kanji all that much because of hardware limitations, that would be doable), but I know how much time it takes to do that (and I did try to do it traditionally, but it just doesn't work, it takes way too much to just be able to use that mess of a language, but maybe this method would make it easier, I don't know). Sometimes kids can do some incredible shit just because they don't know what limits are and don't totally understand their own mortality. Now I always think about what would be the best way to use my time, so I don't do that kind of thing anymore. Maybe I posted this before, but it's a decent enough story, and it's relevant, so here it goes again. Basically, you learn what you use, and you don't even feel that you're doing it when you get good enough. If you don't use something, then learning it will be a chore until that changes.

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c72252 No.6738

I find myself always talking as fast as possible, and in as few words as possible, because I just want to spend as little time conversing as possible. Even online, when I chat because I want to (and do enjoy it), people always tell me I'm really unforthcoming and just say extremely little.

When I'm not playing vidya or posting online I'm reading into military history, since it's the only thing I really enjoy fully. Only problem in regards to that is that my knowledge is very expansive, and I think it's actually been bad for me, and kind of representative of all things in life as far as conversation is concerned. I could give a thousand words to describe what is being said, but I couldn't articulate it well to someone who doesn't have my brain, and they would stop listening after 50, so I just kind of dumb it down and say a tiny amount. Don't know what I'm getting at here anymore, but it just feels like my autistic tendency to say more than I need and with vocabulary that probably isn't fitting for regular conversation has just disappeared from attempts to 'fit in' and now I'm in purgatory, can't do anything right.

Certainly doesn't help my CIA nigger mummy keeps trying to push me and find out what I'm thinking, don't know what I can do to just get her to stop prying, I don't care what she has to say, she probably has nothing worthwhile to say about it either, and it's not "helping" either. Does she think I'm going to one of these days realise E=MC squared is incorrect or something

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1ef630 No.6753

>>6543

>t. Nippon Hikkikomori Kyokai

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5d51eb No.6757

I'm having an interesting, opposite effect. My prior job before my mental breakdown involved legal, business, and medical language. From not talking with, I don't know how to phrase it other than "common folk", for prolonged periods of time, it becomes difficult to communicate with them. It's like I speak perfect English but they don't digest a single word I'm saying and try to interpret it differently. As they continue to misinterpret me, I become more elaborate with my language and try to indicate that my diction is precise and I am not trying to be roundabout with them in any way, but they typically don't understand and I shy out of my discussion and leave awkwardly.

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61ff38 No.7251

I've always been criticized by normies because I have a tendency to used polysyllabic words in conversation. To the normie this makes them feel threatened because it suggests they are lower in the pecking order than you are in the pecking order. Also, I would spend a lot of time around adults and didn't care to make my self form accessible to my peers in conversation.

>>4120

I'm sorry I don't know anything about un-learning German.

Paul Stamets, a mycologist, has advice about over coming his studded and what other's can do to improve their fear of speaking. Sadly Stamet's advice is shrooms, so I don't know if that would be qualify as good advice to you. (Sad because they are usually illegal and had to procure and have a negative connotation that company them.)

I've found that since being enabled by the computer, I have not had any reinforcement to remember how to spell words and have progressively lost the interest in maintaining sentence structure of writing long form. I grew up with spell check and have become alarmingly reliant on it. I even lookup words that turn out to be spelled correctly because left to my own devices I can't be sure of a correct spelling. Not all languages have the same obsessive tensing and congregation that most European and Euro-offshoot languages have. I use this statement to challenge the disapproval of caveman like and blunted expressions. I like to think that they are a product of my Hikki-isum and there for it would sit quite well that I would only need a more nuance constricted lexicon. Mostly I just drop glue words, 'in' 'to' and the like. Being alone I don't really think you need them to negotiate intent to yourself.

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720bbd No.7893

It seems to me that it only seems to us that the language is getting worse.

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d12be8 No.7894

Oh, I feel you. The only thing that helps me is the internet, and I don't know what I would do if I didn't practice Spanish with my only penfriend. I'm worried that I'll forget it at all. I even thought about starting some courses or using at least Duolingo https://duolingo.com/ to keep up with the grammar and stuff. I've also heard that tutors can help, so I might contact someone from this site https://preply.com/ to help me practice Spanish.

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a3c6f2 No.7907

Quite interesting I must admit

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2cdd57 No.7908

I have studied French since high school. Unfortunately, I started noticing that without practice my language gets worse and that makes me frustrated. I decided to use https://livexp.com/ because the reviews say it's a great platform for tutoring. Possibility of 1 on 1 lessons online at any convenient time.

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8b7306 No.7929

Nice topic!

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5abf87 No.7932

Thanks for all the comments and interesting discussion about education. I have been struggling with my English ever since I arrived to the States. So my neighbor gave me this https://promova.com/tutors/private-english-tutor link as he thought that private tuition is much better than any college or courses. And you know what? He was right!

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e089bb No.7933

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