Justifying One's Interest In The Occult & Explaining Shit 12/18/16 (Sun) 17:59:25 No. 87917 [View All]
Do we actually know why anything happens and is there any use at all in trying to argue with people about why stuff happens?
I know that mental influence is real and that objects in this universe all exhibit mental properties and that mental laws govern everything; that all is mental. Beyond that I cringe at myself trying to explain too much, again & again. I want to elaborate on what has already been taught and try to make people understand the principles of Hermeticism better but it seems to be an impossible task. You either fully grasp and understand the principles in their true significance, or you don't, and you go back to normie shit.
My best bet at making another human being appreciate what I am into is to practice theurgy for them (and never saying a single word to them about occultism beforehand), stunning their mind by producing the undeniable phenomena of occultism for them to witness and experience for themselves. However the people I've done this for have become no less enlightened (and rather have actually become even MORE annoying and problematic) and I am reminded again of old scriptures where ancient monks had this exact problem and were reprimanded by their teachers for showing off powers.
A normie exposed to theurgy tends to derp-out and start talking a lot of New Age bullshit and falling into thousands of other mental trappings that keep them away from full understanding and power. Lets not even get started on alchemy though, I've already got so panicked by the reactions of normies who think I should make them alchemical potions and give them gold, that I just went into SHUT IT DOWN mode and tried to do everything to get them off of the subject. I've been offered everywhere from $50 to about $5,000 dollars as well by normies attempting to bribe me to do things for them.
I would really like to try and justify and summarize what I believe and WHY I devote my life to philosophy and occultism but I feel myself cringing so many times as I try to do it for other people. If I stick to stating only the principles of occultism and leaving it to them to seek the proofs (through experience) then I will end up saying nothing wrong but I won't be convincing in the least either. I've tried telling people "this is what I've experienced and this is why I take it seriously" but then they need proof and then when they get proof they continue to be pests. Any kind of modality I might put forward (and we all know there are many and that they all work in practice, though they are nothing more than models of the actual truth) will never be adequate because each one depends on subjective tastes / preferences.
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12/19/16 (Mon) 02:42:57 No. 87966
>>87963
I'm afraid he is, he did give the correct response to my gatekeeper question.
I cannot believe that someone capable of the title adept would continue to believe in the existence of self.
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12/19/16 (Mon) 14:35:28 No. 87980
>self
>existent / manifest
ishiggidy
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12/19/16 (Mon) 14:37:00 No. 87981
tfw normally cold as death and did tumo meditation last night for about an hour and heated up the room
I should have kept going to see if I could set my clothing on fire like buddha boy
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12/20/16 (Tue) 00:26:48 No. 87999
>>87966
By 'virtue' (?) of knowledge of the concept of it's existence, the self exists. How you define this concept is up to you.
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12/20/16 (Tue) 03:38:49 No. 88000
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12/20/16 (Tue) 08:25:47 No. 88005
>>87917
What are the most important personal character qualities and habits a person will need in order to become a successful "wizard"?
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12/20/16 (Tue) 08:36:22 No. 88006
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12/20/16 (Tue) 15:42:23 No. 88017
>>88005
Strength>Love(Empathy, Divine Love, not love in the meaning used colloquially)>Will
Physical>Astral>Spiritual
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12/20/16 (Tue) 16:04:42 No. 88021
>>88000
>le confusing of Buddhist concepts of self and not self with Self as defined by Atkinson
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12/20/16 (Tue) 16:05:00 No. 88022
>>88005
To Know, To Dare, To Will, To Keep Silence.
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12/20/16 (Tue) 16:05:54 No. 88023
>>88022
Also in addition to this, complete rejection of the lower self, as in suicide by mental means, so as to achieve a death-trance in which your body isn't damaged but all the life is expelled from it for awhile.
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12/20/16 (Tue) 16:49:06 No. 88024
>>88021
Atkinson is a hack and obullshitist.
Atkinson is not hermeticism.
Buddhist doctrine as originally espoused by Prince Siddhartha is fundamentally identical to that of hermetic doctrine.
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12/20/16 (Tue) 18:12:39 No. 88028
>>88024
>Atkinson is a hack and obullshitist.
No he's not. You're just saying this because you're jealous of his popularity on here.
>Atkinson is not hermeticism.
He's New Thought…
>Buddhist doctrine as originally espoused by Prince Siddhartha is fundamentally identical to that of hermetic doctrine.
Well anything that constitutes the perennial philosophy, the original teachings "in their pure form", would also correspond with Hermeticism. Every religion becomes degraded with time.
Also every single Buddhist I've talked to here in my country that came from Asia doesn't even have any fucking scriptures and has their own different thing going on that was passed to them by their parents. They are pathetic. Buddhism is just another crap religion when in the wrong hands (that of the masses).
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12/20/16 (Tue) 18:47:51 No. 88031
>>88028
>No he's not. You're just saying this because you're jealous of his popularity on here.
When most of his books are filler and disinfo.
>1000 page books with 10 pages of content
People still defend him. You're Smiley aren't you.
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12/20/16 (Tue) 20:10:57 No. 88039
>>88031
>You're Smiley aren't you.
Bullshit Sissy Wizard confirmed. /thread
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12/20/16 (Tue) 20:11:19 No. 88040
>>88017
>>88022
>>88006
Any books you can recommend that give advice on developing these qualities?
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12/20/16 (Tue) 20:15:20 No. 88042
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12/20/16 (Tue) 22:05:56 No. 88044
>>88031
>When most of his books are filler and disinfo.
There isn't any disinfo really in his books and some are stretched out too much but others are quite condensed.
He's practically perfect, you can barely find any issues with his material, whatever bullshit occultism you ascribe to I am sure we can all poke way more holes into.
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12/21/16 (Wed) 08:23:21 No. 88057
>>88024
This thread is really nice and has cheered me up. >Atkinson is not hermeticism.
Isn't it pretty widely assumed that he wrote The Kybalion?
What's the difference between Atkinson's New Thought and Hermeticism?
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12/21/16 (Wed) 18:57:32 No. 88063
>>88057
It's just some retarded from Alpam's Satanist Fringechan stirring shit up.
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12/21/16 (Wed) 19:02:13 No. 88065
>>88063
it's either sissy wizard's 8ch/fringe or teen satanist fringechan. why are the only boards we have governed by such beings?
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12/21/16 (Wed) 22:20:14 No. 88075
>>88065
Insult Smiley again and I'll permaban your ass Fringechan shitposter, see if I won't. I've had enough of you Fringechan dissidents, anyone who admits to using it is banned from now on.
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12/21/16 (Wed) 23:37:00 No. 88079
>>88075
https://8ch.net/fringe/rules.html
Check his post history and if he has some questions threads up or something you can ban him for like 10 minutes .
>banning dissidence
>banning people because they happen to use fringechan (in addition to 8/fringe/)
You'd have to ban me because I have posts on fringechan and here… and while I don't like what a certain clique of 3-5 shitposters (Learningcode, Omran, and some others)) are doing constantly driving wedges between the community and attacking me all the fucking time posting stuff to insult me in every single thread even when it's completely irrelevant, we can not violate our principles, or are we are nothing. We have to tolerate them. We can't beat them up using moderator tools. We have to find another way if we're going to defeat them.
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12/22/16 (Thu) 01:39:06 No. 88081
>>87917
Well there are a few a zen stories which I think make for a very good point on this subject… The only problem being that I always forget the names of the people involved in the stories and that makes it pretty hard to find them again.
But the gist of them are that the kindness of the master is found exactly in his harshness to his students, in him not giving away the answer. The act of giving it away not only lessen it's value as it also breeds weakness and dependence on the part of the student, as such your interference should always be minimal. If you wish to do good you should really give no more than a few hints and sugestions that can meet them at the place they are, not some grand demonstration of power as they can't even interpret that in a meaningful manner.
There's no point in suggesting an advanced book to a beginner, and equally there is no point in demonstrating something that is way beyond their understanding. I know this means almost everyone you meet will have no idea about your path, but that's just how it is.
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12/22/16 (Thu) 04:44:56 No. 88092
>>88079
learningchode is based
based is learning chode
hail to the chode
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12/23/16 (Fri) 04:13:03 No. 88137
“The problem with explaining complicated systems to the layman is this: it’s easy to simplify a concept to the point that that it’s no longer true.”
This is why Hermetic Science (magick) will never fall into the hands of normies because, as much as you'd like to simplify, as much as you'd like to make it easy for others and help them advance even faster than you were able to; there are no shortcuts in the occult.
Anyone who is inspired though, who intuitively or otherwise grasps the real significance of what we are doing, would desire nothing else than to walk the path though. They would rightfully see that is entirely worth doing so and that all the other stuff that keeps them in ignorance is a big waste of time. It is worth dedicating one's entire life to the magickal path and applying oneself full-heartedly to it.
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12/23/16 (Fri) 04:14:33 No. 88138
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12/23/16 (Fri) 06:34:45 No. 88142
>>88137
>There are no shortcuts
HAHAHAHAHA, good one anon. I've already found the shortcut to enlightenment and leaving this plane. Like I'd reveal it to the "wizards" on this forum though.
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12/23/16 (Fri) 19:14:36 No. 88173
>>88142
Nice. Just like me!
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12/24/16 (Sat) 02:23:56 No. 88203
>>88142
>>88173
No you haven't.
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12/24/16 (Sat) 13:19:16 No. 88228
>>88142
ANON FINDS SHORTCUT TO ENLIGHTENMENT USING THIS ONE WEIRD TRICK, GURUS HATE HIM!
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12/27/16 (Tue) 01:55:13 No. 88331
>>87925
I only care about self-transformation. I'll ask anyone for advice who offers.
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12/27/16 (Tue) 02:47:12 No. 88334
>>88137
This entire post is why you're all failures. If you can't explain things to people who ask, then attempt to and fail, then make excuses that it's way to "learned" and "hidden for you simple mind" it's because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about at all. It's like a terrible mexican mechanic who can't explain how he broke your car, so he just acts like he can't explain the complexity of it in english.
>Hermetic science
It was science, now science is science and you're a bunch of Christcuck level NeoPlatonists who ruined philosophy and have finally been pushed to the fringe of society because you can't produce a simple explanation as you don't KNOW ANYTHING. It's all fucking larping here
IT"S ALL LARPING HERE!
BUT WHY?
WHY ARE YOU ALL LARPING THIS HARD? That's what I dont get.
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12/27/16 (Tue) 03:02:24 No. 88335
>>88334
You're walking into a classroom that teaches calculus when you barely know arithmetic and you expect "clear explanations". This is highly EMPIRICAL knowedge. It's based on the most direct kind of experience. I can't reproduce an experience for you, you have to seek it out for yourself. That's why the motto of Hermeticism is "to dare, to will, to be silent". You need the cojones to go out and try for yourself. Words can never be a substitute for experience. The word "table" is not the same thing as an actual table, it signifies it. Hermetic science deals with consciousness itself as well as other "things" which are even harder to approximate in words. Hence the need for a highly symbolic language. There is a great deal of "larping" on this board, but no more than goes on in /pol/, just of a different kind. Some people like the image that is conventionally associated with "wizards" or "magic". It's just a question of personality. Some people are more theatrical or superficial.
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12/27/16 (Tue) 04:01:54 No. 88337
>>88334
>image macro
>quickmeme.com
lol reported
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12/30/16 (Fri) 20:19:41 No. 88507
>>87925
How do I improve my own force of will and courage?
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12/30/16 (Fri) 20:30:25 No. 88508
>>87940
>Now obviously the primate body can die and this will usually result in the thoughtforms it holds together (what most people perceive as themselves, the entirety of their thoughts, emotions, memories, etc.) dissipating.
Can you achieve eternal life with magic?
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12/30/16 (Fri) 20:34:57 No. 88509
>>88335
You can totally explain calculus little by little and in simple terms and diagrams to ignorant fellas. Maybe they won't get it in a day but they will get it
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12/30/16 (Fri) 21:36:05 No. 88513
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12/30/16 (Fri) 22:01:27 No. 88514
>>88513
Well, work on a better one
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12/30/16 (Fri) 22:07:17 No. 88515
>>88514
my humblest apologies
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SAGE! 12/30/16 (Fri) 22:27:33 No. 88516
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01/01/17 (Sun) 01:51:43 No. 88569
>>87917
[Your in a dream arguing with other people about being in a dream. Some, if not all, of the people you are arguing with are being put in your path just to distract you and make you doubt the path your on.]
The dream doesn't want you to wake up.
You are alone in your quest, surrounded by mindless zombies who have mastered the art of pretending to be alive and who function solely to keep you distracted while you run on the hamster wheel.
You can gain knowledge but the real truth is hidden inside yourself. You are a god caught in the trap of an illusion, and the illusions only power over you is keeping you from remembering who you are.
So here you are buried deep inside a labyrinth of your own making.
When your ready you will wake up.
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01/01/17 (Sun) 06:11:25 No. 88576
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01/01/17 (Sun) 22:06:12 No. 88626
>>88569
>mfw I've actually legit had arguments with people in dreams about being in a dream in which they thought I was crazy, didn't understand, didn't respond, or didn't believe me, or responded as if they believe me but I felt like they were just pretending and didn't ACTUALLY believe me
and I'm not talking about this reality we're in right now, I'm talking about dreams like when I go to bed and am in other realities
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01/01/17 (Sun) 22:07:06 No. 88627
>>88569
>You can gain knowledge but the real truth is hidden inside yourself. You are a god caught in the trap of an illusion, and the illusions only power over you is keeping you from remembering who you are.
There is some shit in 2013 series lessons that does a good job of debunking that claim btw, forget which part of it, I think it was in the raja yoga section.
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01/02/17 (Mon) 00:07:04 No. 88641
>>88334
>The lips of Wisdom are closed, except to the ears of Understanding.
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01/02/17 (Mon) 01:29:53 No. 88645
>>88626
I usually have pretty cool conversations in my dreams.
The entities are generally pretty understanding as long as I'm not being a butt. Getting explanations about this reality are difficult though, since we're communicating at a sort of crossroads of consciousness.
>>88627
That's not a claim. The "we are all one" is true. We are a singular being existing beyond all of this. the Ain Soph. We differentiate to create this illusion of separation. All of it, plant, animal, mineral, spiritual, etc. is just us pretending to be separate.
It doesn't make the illusion less substantial, less complicated, or any easier to solve and escape though. But part of the path of return is becoming aware of the fact that we are indeed all one, even while believing we are separate entities.
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09/26/18 (Wed) 06:49:16 No. 125292
I don't know how you can hear what you denounce if you hear theurgy.
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07/02/20 (Thu) 19:57:09 No. 135794
I think a lot of it comes down to understanding, and also coming to terms with the idea that you could control more once those blocks have been released.
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