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>>124069

btw most credible occult teachings do claim it is very well possible to attain enlightenment, liberation and immortality in the afterlife state while you still have some time left. Prepare yourself. Use your last weeks to read the most important books. You must know what you must know in order to navigate in the astral planes and attain enlightenment there.

>>121014

Hold your breath. If you truly want to die, you will overcome the instinct of breathing. If not, you are just another whiny little faggot

>>124087

How can you live? Judging from this post alone you should be braindead. Truely a miracle of wizardry

come back here after you kys and post what it was like.

k thanx

No. You will thank yourself.

This is purgatory.

It's the only way "out".

Or like to another density, I could perhaps maybe just get a thought of you might have become bored of this density.

Maybe if you kill yourself you can cuck urself and go lower, or you can go do something and go higher.

But I mean you just want to die because you're gay and no Man wants to suck your dick.

>>124050

Half the people in this thread dont know what they are talking about.

>That's why I was hoping someone could tell me what to expect when I do it.

Why would you want to ask someone else about what to expect after you an hero? Its your life, your consciousness, ask yourself. Seriously, what do you want? Reality is infinite, so what ever you make to be is what it will be.

Kill yourself and your soul will be released into the astral realm to choose a new vessel, world, time, meaning. However, the amount of control you have over that journey will depend on how much of your "you" can survive without being attached to a physical body with a physical brain. Some souls have a specific pre-chosen path of reincarnation though, one they chose in a past life. Everyone is different.

>>126017

What do you base this on?

>>121014

OP I would suggest learning Astral Projection to be able to explore the afterlife by yourself and by your own means so you don't need to incur in negative activities with negative consequences.

>>121047

yes, there is a chance od de-evolving into one but only if that is what you want and you do stuff to become that, if not, you just say no to it or ignore it the and move on. It's that simple.

>>121014

Suicide, I would say, is the most powerful ritual one can perform. It is the literal, and willing sacrifice of the body. To do this is to impose your final willpower - all of it - in a single moment…in direct defiance of your destiny. To do this would mean you'd hurl your soul away from what is natural. You will unbalance the polarities. You'll, in a nut-shell…obliterate your soul. Believe me, suicide is the best way to escape to nothing. You don't want that. You DON'T want that.

~The Punished Druid

>>126030

That doesnt sound right. Whats the difference between death caused by something, for the most part, outside of your control and death by your own decision? I honestly can not comprehend why death should be fear. On this plane of existence, death is largely inevitable, though there is probably a way to follow a different path.

Death is quite literally nothing but the beginning of something new and you decide what that is.

I don't use that narrative to describe how I was born.

>>126031

See, you're talking about death, whereas I'm talking about the act of suicide and the obliteration of the soul, if you have one in the first place. Only so many of those to go around.

>>123743

>1-You created your own hell

Then how do I make my own heaven?

>>126041

Suicide or die but with a positive mindset and a definitiv goal and knowledge that you go to heaven.

Really it's just the opposite of going to hell. Instead of being in terror, panic and massive suffering while suiciding (this leads to hell) be of positive, cheerfull, hopefull spirit.

Enjoyment even in death.

This is why it is OK for monks, wizards and druids to suicide while it is NOT OK for common people. Because common people aka mundanes commit suicide with horror in their heart and go to hell whileas enlightened ones like us have the "Gnosis" and the right mindset. This is why suicide is forbidden in any mainstream religion and even spiritual practices…it's just such a big sin and they scare you with hell because it's only to protect the mundane degenerates. But we know that all is mind. With a truely detached and positive mindset suicide becomes a true way of freeing yourself from the matrix and traveling to the astral without suffering through a full lifetime in this demiurgic plane.

It can turn into a ritual indeed, but nor for soul oblitaration but instead for the ultimate testimony of your will to reject this plane and pathetic human existence and move on to higher planes.

Unless you're quite an advanced alchemist (you're not) your soul will dissolve shortly after death, right after having lived a second hell for a little while, and you will reincarnate and face the same issues you're having right now.

There's no easy way out, but I'd say suicide is possibly the worst call in your situation.

>>126042

Ah, now I understand a bit more.

But that is not the answer that I was looking for.

When he said "you created your own hell," as in, through your own actions, I was wondering how one could make his life heaven.

And what would constitute "real magick" ?

>>126045

I doubt it is possible to make this life heaven. This plane is a hell plane and anything you do will only contribute in making your life hell. As far as I know, heaven is only when you get out of this shithole and get to the right place.

>>126039

If soul is synonymous with representation of your physical self, then yes, I agree. But if soul is being represented as synonymous with consciousness, then you are wrong, because consciousness can not be erased. The closest you could get to it would be a state of null or void. The cornerstone of all of reality is consciousness and light. For being Nothing is to know all.

>>126047

Soul is most likely the energy bodies and/or ego. Otherwise his post doesn't make sense. The ego get's erased which basically equals death for you.

Also he wrote you are gonn reincarnate and face the same issues again which is the dumbest bullshit ever but people just cannot stop spreading this crap. Think about it, think what you wrote before and what you wrote now. You're gonna dissolve but then somehow you still gonna reincarnte and somehow magically face the same issues again? That posters brain must be rotten from too much new-agery and degenerate tier spirituality.

>>126017

Having experienced Astral Projection myself. Of course I realize that to someone who never experienced his soul outside of his body this doesn't work as proof, as it is subjective, but there is nothing I can do about that.

>>126047

>>126048

Why is the concept of complete and utter obliteration of every part a confounding concept to many of you? The ALL directs our destiny in its' dream-like state of conciousness, and the Demiurge puts obsticles in our path along the fixed course, so that it may feed. Think of the Demiurge as the nightmarish abberation within the ALL's conscious. We are all here for the ride.

Everything that you believe is you, is not. And there are VERY FEW of us who are capable of manipulating the forces that bind and control us to a point where we can very minorly influence outcomes, this is the basis of Magick.

Now then, what happens when you desire so badly to not exist? What happens when you cock that gun to your head? What happens when the trigger is pulled and the ritual complete? Make no mistake, everything in life is ritual. Humans even emulate perfect, sacred geometry in everything we create. Just look at what is natural, and what is man-made.

Without giving a lesson in what should already be known, if you desire to die entirely, then so it shall be. As above, so below, as below, so above. You have the power to influence the direction of your very being, but as with everything: be careful what you wish for.

You won't be thrown into purgatory, nor some "null/void" super-man phantom zone. You wont reincarnate. You will, however, blot yourself out of the ALL MIND completely. That which is created CAN be destroyed. The 3rd dimentional laws of thermodynamics don't apply to infinitely dimentional beings. You're all too grounded in the mundane.

~The Punished Druid

>>126059

>if you desire to die entirely, then so it shall be

Obviously, but there is your problem. Just because you think suicide is the desire to be obliterated completely doesn't mean that everyone else shares the same desire. For most of us suicide can merely mean the shedding of the body and this prison planet. We still want to live, go to the astral planes etc etc. With the right mindset suicide will not obliterate you completely. It is only saying "No, I don' want this shit here anymore, I will now move on." But then again some might desire to be obliterated completely and that's what they will get.

>>126060

Well, no one desires many a thing they've brought upon themself. Thus the reason why people blame others for their plight, or become ignorant to who their handlers are. Even when it's unintentional, the emotion, belief, and action give birth to things you may not notice. Why do you think most religions forewarn the masses about the danger of suicide? Again, everything is ritual, routine, step by step. Have you ever "failed" a ritual? Usually this means you didn't actually fail the ritual, you just didn't know what you were doing and produced terrifying results.

But for those of us who understand the principles and have attempted suicide (I tried helium many years back, almost fucked my brain up), we also understand where the end-game leads. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

In the words of a great Wizard.

"Forgive them, O Lord, for they know not what they do".

>>121014

it depends, there are methods like samadhi to willingly leave your body knowing that you have done your part, and also ideas like seppuku where you kill yourself for honour, in these you die as basically a victor to continue on being born in a place that gives your victorious consciousness a space. But if you die a looser per say, defeted by life i.e. depressed or unwilling to confront your demons than your consciousness will continue to drift in that "looser" path wher your struggles are simply going to renew. Even though i wrote this pretending to know this for certain, i do hope that you consider it before considering taking your own life.

This is what will happen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNuE9fntnTg

>>122092

>Now if the character would suddenly attain Gnosis and become self aware, if he/she would suddenly see that they are stuck in a game, in a matrix and they are a mere character created by the player, the real self, only then they would actually become aware that they are also the player who created them and then they can break all walls, open the console, cheat, alter reality, leave the game and become immortal.

Bad use of metaphors maybe? You can intellectually and by experience realise these things quite easily, it doesn't grant you any more control over life though, unless you consider low magick as control.

>>132355

stop using social media

>>132355

Isn't Vice alt-left?

I have several perspectives on this.

1) No, because you won’t exist. We can’t falsify this perspective, so if this world is a spiritual plane, we should be honest and respectful enough to acknowledge that this world’s creator will not allow us to falsify this perspective. For the record, I’m not a fan, but I’m stuck here.

2) No, because death enforces a god-awful gulp of amnesia. You won’t know in the future that you committed suicide in the past.

3) Yes, probably. From a perspective not encumbered by all your own specific woes, your life probably has good things going for it. You’re just too burdened by your present attachments to understand what of your life could be (or could become) beautiful. So if despite my 1) and 2) comments you ever have another perspective on the matter, yes you will likely regret it, as your new distance lets you see with fairer eyes.

>>132354

>it doesn't grant you any more control over life though, unless you consider low magick as control.

Oh yee of little faith

Do not forfeit your role in the story. Your presence is still wanted. We all die eventually anyway, so just wait patiently please.

>>132440

His role may be to commit suicide, how would you know?

Thread is filled with absolute brainlets

>"Suicide bad!"

>"why?"

>"uh uhhh uhhhhh [insert appeal to popular opinion or appeal to authority fallacies]"

>>121014

You're ripe for Buddhism. Spend all of your free time in meditation. What should you think about? Nothing. You stop active thinking completely. Yes, the mind still bubbles up thoughts on its own, but that's okay, just let the mind do what it wants, but don't actively feed it with your attention or follow its random meanderings. Just be passive and think about nothing. Relax your body and mind, breathe naturally and let go of this world. If you fall asleep, that's fine. When you wake up, just start your meditation again. Only get up to eat, drink, bathe, shit, brush teeth, etc., then return to your bed and meditate. No need for any stupid meditation postures. Just lie on your back, close your eyes and meditate. Do this until you die.

This is essentially what Buddhist monks do when they are not doing their mundane "duties" at the monastery, going on alms round or ministering to lay people. You don't have to bother with any of that, just do your own thing and meditate, which is exactly what the Buddha did anyway.

There are plenty of YouTube videos to guide you if you want more info. I recommend the monks of the Theravada tradition, but see what works best for you.

Good luck, brother.

>>132446

Are you retarded? People incarnate in this realm on purpose. The fact that they forgot why, and now want to leave, doesn't change the fact that when they are realigned in the spiritual realm they'll just want to come back here and try again.

>>132460

>People incarnate in this realm on purpose.

Clearly it is you who is the retard here.

>the fact that when they are realigned in the spiritual realm they'll just want to come back here and try again.

>the fact that

>fact

Hilarious. You watched a couple of new age "spiritual" idiots on youtube and you take the garbage they spit out for facts. The only fact here is that you have no idea and you fell for bullshit propaganda, and asking someone else if they are retarded while clearly being the retard yourself is just making it more pathetic than it already is.

>>132462

If what I say is not true, then tell me what is true.

If you do not provide any alternative then it is you who are not only ignorant but completely arrogant.

>>132460

If you walk in a room and forget why you came, how long do you stay there?

>>133340

>not leaving and coming back

>>133347

That's not how you play a video game. If you don't want plot progression you're eventually going to get the game over screen without any victory

Hold it!

SO YOU'VE GONE AND DONE IT YOU BASTARDS!

I understand now. I totally get it.

There is only one right way to "suicide" and leave this world properly. Just killing yourself doesn't cut it. You have to sit (or lie down) in your preferred meditation posture and meditate forever. Until you leave your body and never come back…basically until you die. This is the ultimate meditation and astral travel. It's the right way…the only way. Get a calm secluded place and try this. It will bring out everything that is inside…it will show if you are ready or not. If you cannot pull it through it means you are not ready, then even regular suicide or death will not help you. It's the ultimate test that will bring to the light how detached from this world and life you really are.

Alright! It is time to go. I am ready now. The final stage has arrived. The endboss level has shown itself.

>>133370

That's actually a thing. There's a proper way to do it that Tibetans and Japanese mastered.

If someone was gonna kill themself they wouldn't make that face silly

https://www.metanoia.org/suicide/

>>133370

You don't want to throw away God's gift. He's badass, but you have to try to find it. When you finally see it, every moment of Hell is worth it. You'd give up everything, even your own soul, for that one thing.