No.5097 [Last50 Posts]
I just watched Begotten and I'm not sure if I liked it or hated it. It was definitely different! I loved the no dialog aspect and some of the visuals.
Anyone else have any recommendations like this flick?
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No.5100
I liked the first part but the naked goon flopping on the ground became tedious.
Begotten seems unique because even weird/experimental horror films tend to involve more coherent characters/plot. The closest thing I can think of are Tool videos and perhaps surrealist works like Un chien andalou.
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No.5103
>>5100
I agree on the lack of characters and plot. Begotten doesn't try to bring you in at all, it's almost like a nightmare that one would have if they we're alive thousands of years ago.
Are you talking about the band Tool and their music videos?
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No.5104
>>5100
I found a good copy of Un chien andalou online.
https://vimeo.com/18540575
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No.5112
>>5100
Un chien andalou was horrifying. I've never seen anything that surreal and old before.
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No.5114
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i have yet to see Begotten, but I'm getting the idea that it's very nightmarish, which leads me to recommend you Inland Empire, which is a perfectly accurate rendition of a nightmare. Lynch's films have always been dreamlike, but this one is almost pure dream and the "plot" unfolds the way dreams do. one of my favorite films
embedded is his short film Rabbits, which is spliced into Inland Empire and is also very nightmarish and unsettling
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No.5115
>>5114
Should I watch Inland Empire first or Rabbits?
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No.5118
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>>5103
Yeah I meant the rock band Tool. Their first videos usually had an odd humanoid trapped in a hellish environment.
The original surrealist films are very interesting stuff. My favourite surrealism anecdote is the British censor's quote that a film was "so cryptic as to be almost meaningless. If there is a meaning, it is doubtless objectionable."
Speaking of David Lynch, I thought about recommending The Grandmother. I just started watching and it's different from what I remember, but have a look.
It's surprising that horror and (true) experimentalism are not paired together more often. But hopefully we can get some more suggestions..?
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No.5120
>>5115
I'd say it doesn't matter. I saw rabbits first, and it didn't really add or take away from either when I saw Inland Empire. it's not like it's supplementary to the plot or anything, the way he made Inland Empire was basically filming his ideas and then editing them together; Rabbits was one of these ideas and he put it in. just make sure you're in the right mood for Rabbits, it's a single static shot for 42 minutes. maybe eat a handful of benadryl and a bottle of robitussin
I'll add another film to the thread, Phantasm. this one is much more conventional, ostensibly a cheesy 70s scifi/horror film with bad acting, kid actor lead. but it's so damn strange and surreal I have to recommend it. don't watch a trailer, just watch the movie
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No.5186
The Reflecting Skin might just be the most disturbing film I've ever seen.
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No.5187
>>5118
I'll have to check out their old videos. I do remember the 90s having some decent horror-themed videos like Aphex Twin and Manson.
Are you a fan of David Lynch overall? I'm still kind of on the fence for him, I think it's about time I rewatch his filmography.
Although I do have to say the diner scene in Mulholland Drive almost made me pass out. Here's a link for it.
https://vimeo.com/101462824
>>5120
I'm not drinking sizzurp and watching trippy films haha.
I'll check out Phantasm. Do you have any other bizarre horror movies from the 70s? I still need to watch that Ballet slasher movie (can't remember the name).
>>5186
Haven't heard of it, how's it disturbing anon?
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No.5196
>>5187
>Do you have any other bizarre horror movies from the 70s?
I'm sure I've seen some, but Phantasm is the one that's stuck with me most because it's so out there.. might be worth looking into Argento, though honestly I find him incredibly boring
The Wicker Man (the 70s one, not nic cage) is a kind of horror film that is very unique, but again a far cry from the Begotten school of horror. definitely dreamy and very creepy though
also, this goes without saying with all the talk of Lynch in here, but Eraserhead is one of the most insane and horrifying films there is and there is absolutely nothing else like it (that I'm aware of) (besides his other films). so definitely see that if you haven't
Cronenberg is another to look into, his 80s works are what is called "body horror" and you really need to see it to understand it. Scanners, Videodrome, The Fly, all great and quite horror inducing. haven't seen some of his others like The Brood and the Dead Zone, but they're supposed to be good as well
idk I'm not much of horror fan, hopefully someone with real knowledge of the genre will bust in, but everything I've listed should be enjoyable and give you at least slight feelings of horror unique from the standard Halloween brand of horror
and btw I guarantee that downing a bottle of tussin and some benadryl will make these movies significantly more horrifying if you seek such a thing. robitussin is not the sizzurp of purple legend, but is a powerful dissociative and benadryl a powerful deliriant. they combine to provide quite an experience, the most terrified I've ever been in my entire life was on 354mg of DXM (this is a bottle of robitussin lingering cough) and 300mg of DPH (or 12 benadryl) watching The Shining. I recommend such a thing to the strong of heart (literally and figuratively because this shit is "probably" very bad for you and also terrifying, but in a gratifying way)
/end rambling post
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No.5206
I can't think of many others like Begotten, but I can post some more all-purpose quality horrors.
One of the best low-budget 70s horrors is Let's Scare Jessica to Death. There's a dusting of influence from Rosemary's Baby. Check it out if you prefer more of a slow burning psychological type of film.
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No.5208
>>5196
>and btw I guarantee that downing a bottle of tussin and some benadryl will make these movies significantly more horrifying if you seek such a thing. robitussin is not the sizzurp of purple legend, but is a powerful dissociative and benadryl a powerful deliriant. they combine to provide quite an experience, the most terrified I've ever been in my entire life was on 354mg of DXM (this is a bottle of robitussin lingering cough) and 300mg of DPH (or 12 benadryl) watching The Shining. I recommend such a thing to the strong of heart (literally and figuratively because this shit is "probably" very bad for you and also terrifying, but in a gratifying way)
Jesus Christ dude.
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No.5209
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>>5206
This looks interesting as fark, thanks for the recommendation!
>>5196
I saw Eraserhead sober and I was so bored I turned it off around the halfway mark.
Do you feel like the horror movies from the 70s and 80s have a different vibe to them? Like atmosphere? I feel like old horrors have more of a psychological aspect while the 80s kinda rely more on scary monsters and creatures.
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No.5219
>>5208
i was very close to literally running away during the old lady in the bathroom scene. my friend on the same mixture actually did, he hid in the bathroom until it was over. everything about that film is so deeply off… like all the dialogue, camera angles, it's all sort of just, unsound.. and the tension that builds with the crazy modernist classical Kubrick chose is so intense. I really felt like I was losing my mind, I basically was Jack for the duration of the film (thanks to dxm, you dissociate and can pretty much merge your reality with any film you watch/video game you play and so on). absolutely insane experience, and for the rest of the night my friend was hallucinating jack nicholson standing around in the corners
>>5209
they definitely do have a different vibe. I think it's really just another aspect of the shift that popular film in general took after Jaws and Star Wars. more focus on the spectacle of the thing
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No.5233
I did my robotripping watching The Wall in a dorm room. Is that too cliche? I don't know if I could have handled a horror movie.
After downing the bottle of maximum strength, I went outside with my friends and smoked a joint. We came in and had a couple beers and put on the Pink Floyd movie. I took a codiene for good measure. Why not mix four things at once? When it all kicked in, the musical crescendos had my heart pounding pretty fast.
I didn't hallucinate at all though. It just felt like an intense drunk/high. I was behaving oddly but that's as far as it went.
Anyway, this thread needs mention of The Cremator (1969) and Angst (1983). Both are pretty warped yet uniquely appealing in different ways.
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No.5237
>>5233
Do you have a job or are you on welfare?
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No.5258
>>5097
I think Decasia is a lot like Begotten in some ways. It really builds into this crazy thing. The music makes it a very intense experience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeEzb-0vf7A
Also, one movie that that kind of fits this thread is Ice from the Sun. Low budget madness, narratively horrible but it well worth a watch. It has these horror clichés but they do get experimental.
Possession maybe?
I think Pig (1998) is related too but I haven't seen it.
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No.5264
>>5258
Ice From The Sun has terrible reviews lol. Decasia sounds interesting, I'll have to check it out!
I'm assuming your talking about Possession (1981)?
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No.5270
>>5264
Ice from the Sun does have terrible reviews but if you strap yourself in for low budget madness, reviews don't really matter or do they? I just wish this movie was discussed more. I think there's more to it than 'z-budget horror maker tries pretentious shit'. Even tho a lot about the movie wasn't good at all, it was still very interesting.
Decasia is indeed interesting. There's not much more to it than is in that clip but it makes for one hell of a trip. People've been talking about DPH and DXM in this thread? Decasia is a descent into dissociative madness. Not like there's someone or something in the movie that can replace your self but after watching this I felt like someone scooped out my soul.
The only movies that I think are truly similar are Inland Empire and Begotten, but this is without narrative.
Yes, I was talking about Possession (1981). I've seen it a few weeks ago for the first time and I have to say it's quite a thing. Not sure wether I think it's a good movie or not but it definitely left an impression. Like a crazy crossover between Blue Velvet and a Cronenberg movie. Just go see it, it is bonkers.
Oh, it has this character that has the same accent as Tommy Wiseau and the main character is called Mark. Yay.
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No.5272
>>5270
I'll check them all out anon. Don't know what order but I'm thinking Possession first and then flip a coin for Decasia and Ice From The Sun.
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No.5273
>>5272
Awesome. Let me know what you think.
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No.5449
>>5258
Is that first picture from Decasia?
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No.5473
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No.5640
Legitimately horrifying…yet weirdly fascinating if you can stomach the content.
This is a documentary about an extreme bdsm site called insex.com which no longer exists because DHS killed its credit card processing. The demented spectacle of girls pushed to their bounds of trauma/pain is more Graphic Horror than Sex. Supposedly consent is involved, but there's a lot of pressure to avoid safewording – both by the site owner's manipulative mindfuckery and the thousands of expectant site members watching live.
Crazy shit.
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No.5642
Hey guys, OP here. Sorry for the delay, been busy with life and work. As soon as I finish the Bresson filmography, I'm going to watch everything recommended in this thread.
Thanks again and godspeed.
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No.5652
>>5640
Nice pick. Documentary looks good but just for shits and giggles, what are some essential Insex videos? Are they still available? Can you download them off Pornhub or something? I want to see what the hubbub is about.
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No.5653
>>5652
The complete siterip is on empornium. I don't know what's worth watching. Maybe the popular models. The bits in the doc that stuck out were scenes that went too far for the model.
The site owner Brent Scott started by making grainy bondage art (?) films and performance pieces. That stuff would be more interesting to me than seeing some college dropout getting whipped. At the same time there was a lot of malevolent creativity behind the custom-made leather, rope and metalworks the site featured.
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No.5658
>>5640
I was turned off by the title of the movie because it sounded like some low quality Brain Damage Films production. But It ended up being an interesting and fun watch to me.
Thanks for mentioning this movie.
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No.5659
稀人 (Marebito, 2004)
This one is a very Lovecraft influenced film with a great atmosphere. Give it a watch.
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No.5661
>>5653
>
>The complete siterip is on empornium.
Thanks anon.
>The site owner Brent Scott started by making grainy bondage art (?) films and performance pieces. That stuff would be more interesting to me than seeing some college dropout getting whipped.
Do you know if it's available anywhere? It does sound interesting.
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No.5663
>>5196
Hey robot, if you like immersing yourself in a movie on syrup try Samsara. Bonus points if you watch in the dark and occlude your vision of everything outside the screen with a blanket or something. BAM you're IN the scene.
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No.5676
>>5661
> Do you know if it's available anywhere?
I looked around but didn't find anything. He taught at Carnegie-Mellon so they might have something.
>>5659
Sounds interesting, I'll make a note of that.
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No.5773
>>5640
>not fapping to insex clips
How dreadfully bourgeois
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No.5776
>>5773
Nope, I can only get aroused by consensual procreative missionary
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No.5788
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No.6042
>>5097
Rather frightening. The use of impressionistic techniques of montage and the sheer grotesque nature of it combined with the slow and concise build up to the climax is perhaps the strongest point of the film.
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No.6054
Any films like The Shining or Suspiria that intentionally break the rules of film-making in order to give a sense of unease?
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No.6061
>>6054
> intentionally break the rules of film-making
can you be more specific? i don't know if i understand what you mean by that
maybe try Valerie a týden divu (1970)
i think it's closer to fantasy than horror but it might fit your criteria
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No.6063
>>6054
There are no rules in art.
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No.6064
>>6063
there are conventions though, that, when broken, are noticeable to the observer if they have observed other art of the same type that all follows the traditional conventions
e.g. Shining crossing the line
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No.6069
>>6061
Sorry, I should have elaborated more. I guess the biggest example would be how The Shining crosses the line/breaks the 180 degree rule. It's often hard to exactly tell the general layout of the Overlook and it's rooms when Kubrick constantly switches where you are viewing the scene. In the kitchen he even crosses the 180 degree line, but keeps the door for the pantry on the same side of the shot, effectively changing the architecture in an instant. This is added to by the fact that the Overlook contains "impossible" rooms, where there is a door to somewhere, but it's also where a larger room/different room/staircase/etc. should be.
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No.8024
This looks like the best horror thread on /film/, so here's an October bump
Do you guys have fresh recs for this year?
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No.8027
>>5114
I lasted about 4 minutes before I had to stop. How can anyone justify watching this shit for 40 minutes??
It's total shit!
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No.8028
I've never watched anything from Toetag. I'm not sure I want to. But they're supposedly pretty extreme http://toetag.biz/filmography/
A more pleasant introduction to Toetag would be to watch S&MAN. It shines some light on the type of horror being made independently
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No.8030
Zombie and slasher films do absolutely nothing for me, I like it more subtle. Uncanny is the word that describes the following films the most. Psychological horror if you will.
1. Inland Empire (Lynch)
2. Arrebato (Zulueta)
3. Un Vie Nouvelle (Grandrieux)
4. Sombre (Grandrieux)
5. Vinyan (Du Welz)
6. A Page of Madness (Kinugasa)
7. The Blind Owl (Ruiz)
8. Lost Highway (Lynch)
9. Fire Walk With Me (Lynch)
10. Visitor of a Museum (Lopushansky)
11. Suspiria (Argento)
12. Kuroneko (Shindo)
13. Possession (Zulawski)
14. Onibaba (Shindo)
15. Cure (Kurosawa)
16. Images (Altman)
17. The Innocents (Clayton)
18. Malpertuis (Kumel)
19. Safe (Haynes)
20. Carnival of Souls (Harvey)
21. Eraserhead (Lynch)
22. The Tenant (Polanski)
23. Les Diaboliques (Clouzot)
24. Repulsion (Polanski)
25. The Face of Another (Teshigahara)
26. Noisy Requiem (Matsui)
27. White Epilepsy (Grandrieux)
28. Born of Fire (Dehlavi)
29. Belladonna of Sadness (Yamamoto)
30. The Spider (Mass)
31. Angst (Kargl)
32. Pulse (Kurosawa)
33. Killing Auntie (Krolickiewicz)
34. The Hypothesis of the Stolen Painting (Ruiz)
35. The Devil (Zulawski)
36. The Third Part of the Night (Zulawski)
37. Innocence (Hadzihalilovic)
38. Twilight (Feher)
39. Faust (Svankmajer)
40. The Nightmare (Ascher)
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No.8031
>>8030
The Blind Owl feels really disgusting, specially that green vomit shit.
Manoel on the island of wonders has it's disturbing moments too.
That fucking dog man.
Also i remember Innocence being very dreamy, not nightmarish, but there's certain atmospheric elements that make it a very uncomfortable film.
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No.8032
>>8030
That's a solid list. I'm no fan of zombie movies either, but I don't mind the odd slasher now and then
I really like the idea of watching Ruiz for Halloween
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No.8033
>>8031
Some people may find it dreamy (the chan crowd generally has no problem with sexualizing children, not implying you don't seem to mind), but I found it very unsettling, especially the last half hour or so. Read some reviews of the film, most people find the film creepy and disturbing.
>>8032
The Blind Owl is my favorite Ruiz. The mood in that film is the epitome of uncanniness.
Slashers are so formulaic, I don't think I have ever seen one that I really like. Any suggestions? No Giallo though, strongly dislike the genre.
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No.8034
>>8030
Fire walk with me was absolute dog shit. Nothing about that movie was actually good, it wasn't experimental or intelligent either, it just sloppily filled in some of the gaps in the twin peaks sorry while adding a lot more questions than it answered, that in turn will never be answered.
I felt bad for wasting my time on it just as I finished watching.
If you want good Twin Peaks related "horror", the last episode of the second season was brilliant, that last sequence was unnerving.
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No.8035
>>8034
Story* not "sorry". My phone acting up.
>>8033
I thought the original Texas chainsaw massacre was pretty unsettling, specially near the end.
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No.8036
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>>8033
Slashers I'd recommend Peeping Tom and Maniac. Hopefully you'd like at least one of them.
I'll let Scorsese talk about Peeing Tom (maybe you've already seen it). Maniac is gritty and violent but I appreciate the anarchic nature of their production. They shot in NYC without permits and even discharged a real shotgun (very illegal) in the city! They also avoided union rules by claiming the film would be X rated (a union loophole) based on a pornographic murder scene that they had no plans to shoot. There was a remake but I haven't seen it.
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No.8115
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No.8196
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No.8688
>>8196
I'll check out that list. Is Vinyan worth a watch? I read that it was mediocre.
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No.8689
>>8688
imdb 5.3... mediocre could be generous
but it's got Gaspar Noe's cinematographer so it might be good for eye candy
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No.8709
>>5097
>legit horror films
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No.8783
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No.8808
>>8783
You've seriously never seen that episode of Spongebob?
Is this thread seriously that dry and humorless that they turn their heads like a confused puppy at the first sight of shitposting?
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No.8809
>>8808
I was being a retard and yes I have seen the episode
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No.14061
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No.14065
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This reminds me of Begotten.
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No.15676
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Patrick Bokanowski - La femme qui se poudre (1972)
See if you understand what is happening here. I certainly did not.
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No.15680
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No.15703
House/Hausu
Visceral: Between the Ropes of Madness
Herencia Diabólica
[REC] (Spanish version)
Little Otik
Neon Demon
Starry Eyes
Antium
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