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 No.3112

The list is helpful to get started on NOIR with plenty of great titles waiting. I've been working through the 250 films on and off for a few years, so why not discuss it here? I hope I'm not the only one interested in this style of filmmaking.

http://www.theyshootpictures.com/noir250noirs1.htm

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 No.3407

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> I hope I'm not the only one interested in this style of filmmaking.

So my fears were realized. Regardless I'll give this thread a bump to try again.

Some of the nice surprises on this list for me have been Crime Wave, Criss Cross, Gun Crazy, The Hitch-Hiker, The Mask of Dimitrios, and The Set-Up. The worst entries have been adaptations of plays like The Big Knife (one of the most misleading titles ever) and Clash By Night (the weakest Fritz Lang film I've seen, although he can't be blamed for the tepid script). Both are far afield from "quintessential noir" in my view.

A couple enjoyable noirs omitted from the list are The Bribe (tropical noir with Ava Gardner) and Decoy (very cheap and bleak). Edward Dmytryk's thriller Obsession from 1949 is also very good.
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 No.3408

I like them but I'm not an expert. I can count all the ones I've seen:
The Asphalt Jungle, The Big Heat, The Big Sleep, Brute Force, The Crimson Kimono, DOA, Detour, Double Indemnity, Gun Crazy, He Walked By Night, Key Largo, Killer's Kiss, The Killers, Kiss Me Deadly, The Lady from Shanghai, Laura, The Maltese Falcon, Ministry of Fear, Mr. Arkadin, The Naked City, The Naked Kiss, The Night of the Hunter, Out of the Past, Pickup on South Street, Scarlet Street, Shadow of a Doubt, Side Street, Strangers on a Train, They Live By Night, The Third Man, Touch of Evil, White Heat

Also saw Foreign Correspondent and You and Me which didn't make the list.

The short list of my favorites are generally the ones that too crazy, to the point of not making sense, so that the viewer cannot suspend disbelief without coming up with some alternative interpretation like in the case of The Lady from Shanghai (Michael's accent falling in and out, 'kill me' request), Detour (the all too coincidental account all from his perspective), The Naked Kiss (sequences of the children's hospital, the woman with the dead husband, all very dreamy), and Kiss Me Deadly (ayy). If you know more that are like that then I'm all ears.
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 No.3410

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>>3408
Oh yeah, Lady from Shanghai is one of my favorites too. I like it more than Ambersons which really couldn't withstand the edits IMO. It's interesting that Lady from Shanghai was also heavily cut, but the resulting confusion kind of works in its favor.

Admittedly I can enjoy Orson Welles even when he's in a bad movie, like Journey Into Fear for example. That's a very shoddy production, bad accents all over the place.

A few others you might enjoy (other than what I mentioned above) are Nightmare Alley, The Big Combo and Raw Deal. They all go heavy on atmosphere, although maybe the plots make too much sense (it's been a while).
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 No.3434

I'm interested in it but I don't think that list is very newcomer-friendly as its just sorted by date. I feel like I need to watch far more of these movies for it to be relevant to me (which is fine). I hope a year from now I can participate in these discussions.
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 No.3435

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>>3434
Have you seen any of them? I'd say start with the top ten "most cited"

> As mentioned in the introduction, these 250 noir films aren't necessarily the best (although they would be very close to it), they are simply the films that - according to our research - have most often been cited as noir in publications and across the world-wide-web.


> For interest sake, the top-ten most cited noir films are: Out of the Past (1947), The Maltese Falcon (1941), Laura (1944), Touch of Evil (1958), D.O.A. (1949), Double Indemnity (1944), The Killers (1946), The Asphalt Jungle (1950), The Big Sleep (1946) and Kiss Me Deadly (1955). The most cited years are between 1944 to 1958, with 1947 being the peak year.


The list also gives each title a ranking. So the next step could be watching those that are "Highly Recommended"
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 No.3448

>3407
Clash by Night isn't even near the worst Lang did. In fact, I find it very underrated, BUT it isn't a noir at all, in my opinion. It is often viewed as one, but I'd rather think of it as a melodrama. Some shots are ones of the most remarkable in Lang's American movies.
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 No.3449

>>3448
Fuck, meant to answer to >>3408
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 No.3451

>>3448
That's one issue I have with this list.
Sometimes it misplaces expectations, which can lead to disappointment if you're in the mood for a mystery or thriller.
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 No.3452

> Clash by Night isn't even near the worst Lang did

Can't argue with that … but it's the weakest I've seen after watching most of his best work :P
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 No.3460

>>3452
>>3451
How good is Liliom?
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 No.3466

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>>3460
That's one I still haven't seen, although I get the feeling it's not in his top tier.
For the purposes of this list I fully recommend Scarlet Street, Woman in the Window, The Big Heat and M of course. Fury didn't make this list, but it's right up there in terms of quality. I'd put While the City Sleeps and Ministry of Fear slightly below those.
I haven't seen any of Lang's westerns either. Curious how those turned out.
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 No.3467

>>3466
The Big Heat has a great ending line.
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 No.3478

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Another interesting Glenn Ford noir from when the style/genre was running on fumes. I give the film's shortcomings a pass because it's a very slick production featuring a beautiful California modern. Rita Hayworth is in rough shape though, unrecognizable.
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 No.3672

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I seen Nightmare Alley and that's all, but boy howdy I enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would
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 No.3673

I know of a couple worthwhile noir podcasts

http://outofthepast.libsyn.com/
http://darkcityconfessions.podbean.com/

Interesting to listen after you watch. The second one has above average production but the guy hasn't released anything new for almost a year.
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 No.3688

>>3460
>>3466
Liliom is fun to watch, has decent photography, and some great scenes, but it tries to make an apology of domestic abuse in such an awkward way that it kinda killed the movie for me, how the fuck can you justify the fact that a French drunken asshole beats his wife out of love.
Noteworthy for being the only French Lang film (with some neat set pieces to boot, also)
I honestly don't find Ministry of Fear that engaging either. I'd better recommend You Only Live Once, even though it is more of a proto-noir, since it is by far the bleakest film he made in the US.
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 No.4505

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I watched the original film adaptation of The Maltese Falcon, made only a year after the book was written.

It's interesting to see how a story which spawned major noir cliches was originally depicted. The tone is much lighter, with plenty of overt pre-code sexuality. The suave lothario protagonist is a male fantasy with a ritzy apartment, not a doomed and disillusioned anti-hero. Bubbly women dress in elegant gowns as opposed to female ballbusters in boxy suits and shoulder pads.

As much as the Hays Code eventually cleaned up these detective stories, the more confrontational gender dynamics and the everpresent sense of foreboding make the traditional noir films of the 1940s more compelling than their predecessors.

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 No.4832

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TCM has scheduled 24 hours of noir on Fridays in June and July, starting tomorrow.

http://summerofdarkness.tcm.com/

What's unusual is they actually have a free online course led by a USC film professor to accompany the programming. Supposedly they're doing Google hangouts and livesteam viewings as part of the class.

https://www.canvas.net/browse/bsu/tcm/courses/film-noir

> In this nine-week course, we’ll go back in film history to investigate the "The Case of Film Noir"—the means, motives, and opportunities that led Hollywood studios to make these hard-boiled crime dramas, arguably their greatest contribution to American culture.

> This course will run concurrently with the Turner Classic Movies "Summer of Darkness” programming event, airing 24 hours of films noir every Friday in June and July 2015. This is the deepest catalog of film noir ever presented by the network (and perhaps any network), and provides an unprecedented opportunity for those interested in learning more to watch over 100 classic movies as they investigate “The Case of Film Noir.”

> Both the course and the associated films will enrich your understanding of the film noir phenomenon—from the earliest noir precursors to recent experiments in neo-noir. You will be able to share thoughts online and test your movie knowledge with a worldwide community of film noir students and fans.

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 No.4893

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>>3112

Can we talk about neo-noir as well? Drive, Killing Them Softly and Inherent Vice come to mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHVbbcHWX4k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy2JQ0HqCuk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHl6qQ3V1Mc

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 No.5403

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How about the small subgenre of noir comedy?

Carl Reiner and Steve Martin made Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid which constructs a story using footage from several classic noirs.

It's a fun experiment if you're willing to go with it. They even got Miklos Rozsa and Edith Head for a late-career credit.

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 No.5408

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>>4893

i thought neo-noir was more Chinatown and The Long Goodbye and Night Moves (watch Night Moves if you haven't, for real)

and googling this image up, i found they did a remake recently so that's probably awful

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 No.5409

Yeah neo-noir can be defined pretty loosely sometimes. Anything with a loner and a gun, or just a grimdark mood.

I don't buy most of these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_neo-noir_titles

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 No.7656

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>>5408

> Night Moves

Michael Small's nocturnal jazz score really gets in your head. It reminds me of Sven Libaek.

The film itself is a tad low budget and often confined to typical noir tropes/homage, but there's more going on than you realize at first

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 No.7845

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https://www.criterion.com/explore/296-illeana-douglas-s-top-10

> I’ve always found Robert Montgomery to be a somewhat mysterious figure. He was in comedies, but he never seemed very funny. He played likable people but was not well liked. His right-wing politics angered many on the left. In 1947, the year this film came out, he was the president of the Screen Actors Guild. As a friendly witness for HUAC, he hurt many careers. He directed and starred in two great, innovative noirs, Lady in the Lake and Ride the Pink Horse, both made in 1947, and then stopped directing. Wanda Hendrix, who is superb in this film, really didn’t work much after Ride the Pink Horse, which is another aspect that makes watching the film curious and special. Starring as Pancho, the excellent Thomas Gomez became the first Hispanic American to be nominated for an Oscar.

> There are a couple of things that make Ride the Pink Horse art-house cool. First, it’s filled with long, complicated takes, which were innovative for the time. I remember sitting with Martin Scorsese, who turned me on to this movie. He kept trying to figure out how Montgomery had done the opening shot, where he gets off the bus and goes into the bus station, then back outside again. Scorsese said, “There was no Steadicam. I don’t see tracking. How did he do it?” So look for that! There’s sentimentality in Montgomery’s directing that contrasts with hard-boiled Lucky Gagin and that gives the film heart.

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 No.8346

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I need to watch this again sometime

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 No.8349

What's the source of this audio?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joX2obLaowo

"I gettin' outta this can.

Who's gonna boost ya over da wall, da warden?

I ain't goin' over the wall..."

It might be a movie or an old time radio show. I've watched a lot of prison movies but still never found it.

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 No.8432

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Hey, I my interest in Noir genre was recently sparked -particularly in the /lit/ side of things though.

Gonna watch more than a couple, shouldn't be displeased with most since Touch of Evil might be my absolute favorite film; starting out with D.O.A which I had to settle with a subpar rip since the rutracker one was too heavy because extra audio tracks.

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 No.8433

>>8432

Which noir books have you read? I haven't explored that aspect of it.

I'm sure you appreciate Charlton Heston's excellent command of the Spanish language in Touch of Evil?

DOA is kind of a crazy one. It might have the best opening lines of any noir, maybe any film!

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 No.8448

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>>8433

Watched DOA last night, what a blast that was. Watched it with someone else and we weren't sure what had we gotten into -the whistle sound effect when the guy looks at women in the hotel at his arrival at the San Francisco hotel is pretty odd-, but once shit gets real it doesn't let up until the end.

>Which have you read?

Key word in that post was interest: didn't really settle on what to read and stumbled upon this wonderful thread.

About Charlton Heston's proficiency in Spanish I have to say I don't remember much, which should in on itself attest that the performance is great and convincing enough to not get in the way of the narrative.

The Third Man by Carol Reed is up next.

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 No.8501

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>>8448

I was joking about Heston and I thought you might notice how he can't really speak Spanish. It's not as bad as I remembered but still kind of funny.

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 No.8502

>>8501

It plays on how latins that settle in America sound: I can take a stuttering awkward speech but IRL many end up sounding like the most stuck-up Mexican cunts they can pretend to be. Nothing to report on The Third Man since the first attempt with rutracker gave me a Rusky voice-over.

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 No.10305

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Sorry Wrong Number is top tier phone-noir

This poster is funny. Burt Lancaster smacks around a bedridden Barbara Stanwyck

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 No.12059

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What are good noir films made outside the United States? I'll suggest Los tallos amargos from Argentina. The Film Noir Foundation has restored it, but so far the internet only has this TV rip.

https://hawkmenblues.blogspot.com/2013/03/los-tallos-amargos-fernando-ayala-1956.html

>This brilliant noir was lauded in its native country upon release, winning Argentina’s Silver Condor Award as the best film of the year, yet it remains unknown in the rest of the world. This is a crime, because LOS TALLOS AMARGOS is one of the best noir-drenched crime films of the 1950s - maybe ever. A deep-seated inferiority complex leads a Buenos Aires newspaper reporter (Carlos Cores) into a seemingly innocent correspondence-school scam with a clever Hungarian expat (Vassili Lambrinos). As the money flows in, so do rising suspicions about the Hungarian’s true motives. One man is driven to commit the perfect crime - with stunning and tragic results. Lauded by American Cinematographer as #49 of the “100 Best Photographed Films of All Time” (DP Ricardo Younis) and featuring an inventive score by Astor Piazzolla, the greatest Argentine musician of the 20th century.

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 No.12219

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 No.13436

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19 Classic Period Noirs, One each year

20 Fine Femme Fatales (actress, year)

20 Film Noir 'Fringe/Deep Cuts'

15 Rare Non-US Noirs

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 No.14702

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>>12059

I just saw this article on Roberto Gavaldón, billed as "Mexico’s Auteur of Noir". The title might be misleading because he directed more than just noir, but I think he's worth knowing anyway (and I recall he was mentioned previously in some other thread).

https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2019/04/27/roberto-gavaldon-mexicos-auteur-of-noir/

http://archive.is/tojIT

>Best known for directing urban melodramas that borrowed freely from their northern film noir cousins, Gavaldón was a highly accomplished craftsman. He applied himself assiduously to whatever projects came his way, rising quickly to the top ranks of his profession. Though his films are too varied to reduce to a single authorial signature, the best among them often focus on characters with hidden desires and split personalities that cut them off from society and isolate them within their obsessions.

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 No.15725

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Backfire (Vincent Sherman, 1950)

A decent second-tier noir with Edmond O'Brien. Characters jaunt around Los Angeles to sleuth a mysterious disappearance and its ensuing trail of murders. Like D.O.A., the well-known O'Brien noir released the same year, Backfire has a backdrop of WWII vets struggling to find their place in a society that has progressed without them. With limited job options, these men feel a tug toward the seedy side of life in order to make ends meet. The flashback-heavy plot takes us through dilapidated hotels, dark bungalows, smoky arenas and swanky nightclubs.

Warner Bros Swedish import Viveca Lindfors gets top billing in the opening credits despite limited screen time. Lindfors has a strong, exotic face with riveting eyes. She's prettier than Swedish icon Ingrid Bergman, and Warner brought Lindfors stateside hoping she'd become the Next Big Thing. While she's a standout in this film, Warner nonetheless declined to renew her contract. She was relegated to relative obscurity in B-movies and TV roles for the remainder of her career.

Another interesting castmember is Leonard Strong, who droops his eyelids and adopts a rather silly accent to play a Chinese butler. Strong was a Utah Mormon of Welsh heritage often cast as Asian bit characters. Although imdb claims he's an "Eurasian-American actor" he had no Asian blood. So his caricatured portrayals could be seen as mildly offensive yellowface.

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 No.15726

>>12219

So that's how it ended up on my hard drive...

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