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 No.2619

So has anyone seen this yet? How is it?

I heard it's basically a character profile, which reminds me a little of Dirty Wars. In fact Dirty Wars was mostly style with not much (new) substance.
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 No.2621

Decent thread on >>>/leaks/110 about how he's probably part of a limited hangout operation.

His wikipedia talk page is also full of people pointing out inconsistencies in the Snowden story.

For this reason I'm not going to watch this movie or the upcoming one directed by Oliver Stone. I'd like to hear what others think of it though.
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 No.2622

Well, the limited hangout theories started as soon as he leaked. It may be true, who knows. All inconsistencies are definitely worth a look though.

For maximum impact, I think he should have leaked during the election season. He did it right afterwards. Not much has changed, although I am glad this issue is more visible.

Boiling Frogs Post has probably been most critical of Snowden and Greewald, but that site also has me wondering "who is the real controlled opposition." They have interesting content but also like to push fringe ideas, often from Corbett.

Don't know if I'll watch this or not. My main concern is the lack of real content. I don't much care to learn about Edward the human bean.
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 No.2638

haven't seen it yet
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 No.2672

> I heard it's basically a character profile

This review from a foreign policy website has essentially the same critique

http://fpif.org/citizenfours-personality-problem/

> Key questions go unanswered: How much information from Americans’ communications, Internet history, and location is collected by the NSA? How often was it accessed without a warrant? Did the NSA provide any data on foreign companies to those based in the United States? The NSA’s collection of this information alone is certainly cause for concern, even outrage, but greater clarity about these gray areas would have been helpful.


> A film might not be well-suited to capturing this nuance. About two-thirds of the way through the movie, Poitras displays some of the documents Snowden shared with the press. But without context or explanation, it’s hard to deduce much from them.


> Nonetheless, more might have been accomplished if the director were willing to focus more on investigation and less on personalities. For whatever reason, I don’t think Poitras was willing to do so. For example, she includes footage of Binney saying that after 9/11, the NSA started spying on everybody, and Appelbaum saying that the NSA actively attacks anyone it can if the agency perceives an advantage. But she neither challenges nor substantiates these claims, which seem likely to be exaggerations.


> The likeliest explanation for this shortcoming, to my mind, is that Poitras hoped to preserve a neater narrative — with clear heroes and villains — because that’s what audiences respond to most strongly.
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