No.11769
So I'm watching Full Metal Jacket for the first time since High school when I was in ROTC and about the join the military. Several years later, a few of my friends have died in service and I have rewatched the film. Holy shit, I always thought this was Kubricks most "normal" film and had the least occult symbolism going on but I was very wrong. I never noticed the Vietcong flag draped in the corners like this, the red and black, the inverted pentagram and the flames flickering beneath. anyone else notice shit in this film that I haven't ? I know theres one scene where a Vietnamese billboard translates to english: To continuously serve Satan, your excellency, but I havent noticed much else.
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No.11770
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Interesting find. Here's a video that says a little more about that scene. I haven't seen this film for years either. Kubrick made films in many genres, but he focused on the subject of war more than anything else.
Room 237 undoubtedly made people look for minutiae in Kubtick's films. I remember hearing that some people were shifting their attention from heavy analysis of The Shining to looking at Eyes Wide Shut in the same way. I don't think there's been as much focus on Full Metal Jacket -- perhaps there aren't as many strange details.
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No.11772
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>>11770
So embedding old vimeo still doesn't work
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No.11773
Just like both of you I haven't seen the film in years, later high school. Kubrick was known for packing in a ton of little messages and details in all his films pretty much, not so sure about his very early ones though.
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No.11781
A short video about "The Hidden Hand": https://vimeo.com/27072809
There is no narration so here's what it's about
<The hidden hand seems to be only one of the subliminal themes in FMJ.
<We go to the sniper's location. In the Vietnam half of the movie, Hartman's influence isn't apparent until posters on the columns titled Doan Ket (To Unite) with 3 flags (USA, South Korea, and ?) on a sleeve with a clenched fist appear.
<As Joker moves in on the sniper, the fist is missing, possibly indicating that Joker hasn't fully accepted Hartman's indoctrination.
<When Rafterman appears, his fist is complete and he shoots the sniper.
<We see Drill Instructor Hartman in the barracks with one hand hidden behind his back as he teaches his recruits to love their M-14s.
<Back on the firing range, Hartman is seen, again with the hidden hand, warning the recruits what will happen if they don't heed his instructions.
<In the final scene in this clip we can see Pyle's hand hidden behind his back before shooting Hartman with his rifle.
I think the last bit is a stretch since Pyle's hands are offscreen.
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No.11782
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No.11783
>>11781
> think the last bit is a stretch since Pyle's hands are offscreen
Look in the bottom left corner.
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No.11784
>>11782
Does anyone buy his full videos? I used to watch both his channels a lot more but kind of stopped.
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No.11787
>>11783
Yep, there it is. The problem was my laptop -- I can't see details in dark images (even when I crank up the brightness). I need to figure out what's wrong with the graphics settings.
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No.11789
>>11784
I don't know if this is hard to find, but here's "Hidden Cinema"
>4hr in depth video exploring the building blocks of message encoding in movies, author Rob Ager's personal experiences of encoding messages in his own film projects and the media and online reactions to Ager's film interpretations.
#!SwhRxTLQ!rXgDBA1FwZ3sU7OuIXiZPHe07_fmT4tFVJu--QKmtC4
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No.11801
>>11789
Where did you originally find this? Thanks for the mega btw.
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No.11802
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No.11805
>>11802
You lucky bastard.
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No.11811
Note the swastikas in the railing.
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No.11812
>>11770
>>11772
On top of the Swastikas in the shootout scene, Rob Ager also helpfully splices in the Mickey Mouse song at the end of the movie. I think this is Kubrick making even more references to America's support for the Nazi party and then later recruitment of Nazis (Operation Paperclip, GLADIO). Mickey Mouse is of course made by Disney, who was a Nazi.
>At best, Disney could be seen as a Nazi-sympathizer. Famed Disney animator Art Babbitt, who worked closely with Disney, once claimed—as quoted in Peter Fotis Kapnistos’ book Hitler’s Doubles—that “[i]n the immediate years before we entered the War [World War II] there was a small, but fiercely loyal, I suppose legal, following of the Nazi party…There were open meetings, anybody could attend and I wanted to see what was going on myself. On more than one I occasion I observed Walt Disney and Gunther Lessing [Disney’s lawyer] there, along with a lot of prominent Nazi-afflicted Hollywood personalities. Disney was going to these meetings all the time.” They were none other than the meetings of the German American Bund, or the American Nazi Party.
>Disney also personally hosted Nazi filmmaker Leni Riefenstahl when she came to promote her film Olympia in 1938, a month after the infamous assault on Jews known as Kristallnacht. Disney gave the propagandist a grand tour of his studio, and Riefenstahl even commented that it was “gratifying to learn how thoroughly proper Americans distance themselves from the smear campaigns of the Jews.” This is documented in the Steve Bach biography about the filmmaker titled Leni.
Whole article worth reading, the bit about EPCOT is mindblowing:
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/06/walt-the-quasi-nazi-the-fascist-history-of-disney.html
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No.11813
>>11812
Some of those connections seem tenuous to me. It's interesting that EPCOT was actually a futurist project, but I just don't see much of a fascist element to it. To me EPCOT sounds like Liechtenstein, which has almost no police at all.
I think the author makes some logical errors. He treats EPCOT as an authoritarian dystopia instead of a transactional living arrangement. Citizen pay money to live there: that makes them customers, not subjects. They can leave at any time. Therefore, the city is financially incentivized to serve the needs of its citizens (customers). Otherwise it risks losing revenue. If the city adds ridiculous laws to be enforced by asshole police, people will move away and the city will go broke.
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No.11814
>>11813
>I just don't see much of a fascist element to it.
It's anti-union, union-busting was one of the primary purposes of fascism. Pair that with Disney's much more blatant Nazi love and it's pretty obvious any concept of his "ideal society" is fascist.
>I think the author makes some logical errors.
Agreed, the author is clearly an idiot who plays fast and loose with definitions and seems desperate to defend Disney somehow.
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No.11815
>>11814
I wouldn’t call Ager an idiot but he is sometimes very misinformed
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No.11816
>>11815
and someone else put it, fringe.
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No.11818
>>11815
Wasn't calling Ager an idiot, was referring to the PasteMag article.
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No.11819
>>11818
Ahh, probably should have read the previous comments further.
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