No.10876 [Last50 Posts]
Have any of you thought about some music being powerful enough to being an equivalent to film reaching the status of a quasi/pseudo-film. Even if not as vividly articulated music always paints pictures in the mind which can then be in turn related to the aesthetics of film. Music that can be best met with a match or easily painted pictures besides concept albums and initial prog rock is music with texture and sonic landscapes like kosmischeklang, early post-rock, and some post-punk/no-wave but I'd also like to hear the genres that paint a film in your head. I'm not saying the two mediums are interchangeable or trying to break the boundaries of art but it'd be nice to discuss and break up the monotony of the threads on the front pages.
The thread this one replaced was a 9-reply thread on Inherent Vice.
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No.10877
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Classical music often attempted to tell a story, so it is a literal example of what you're talking about. I certainly notice when I hear a classical piece that is especially "soundtrack-y" or cinematic. I would like to list some deep cuts but I don't know them offhand, so I'll just point out easy examples like Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherazade and his version of Night on Bald Mountain, Peer Gynt, Peter and the Wolf, etc. Saint-Saëns - Danse Macabre is another great example.
I think the film composers carry on this legacy.
>The thread this one replaced was a 9-reply thread on Inherent Vice.
Ha ha
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No.10884
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The first half of this record reminds me of a epic ancient journey. There's a passage near the beginning that sounds just like a boat setting out to sea.
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No.10892
Umberto! His music is obviously inspired by Italian horror movies, and his track names indicate he's scoring an imaginary film
The early stuff sounds like Goblin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBgxzkBKBzk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8mgLEZSSL8
Confrontations goes in the 80s synthwave direction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyq8_dyISt4
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No.10903
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On the imaginary films tip, here's SYMMETRY / THEMES FOR AN IMAGINARY FILM
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Three years in the making, Symmetry - the project that began as a conceptual tangent between Glass Candy, Chromatics, Mirage, & Desire's more abstract sides - finally sees its release this month. Themes For An Imaginary Film is two hours of claustrophobic cinematic bliss compiled for Painters, Writers, Photographers, Designers, Cruisers, Night Walkers, & Dreamers. Adrenaline drips thick like syrup across a horizon where memories become blurred scenes behind the windshield & yesterday's faces fade as the road strobes to aggressive rhythms. Romantic melodies linger in the rearview mirror as chimera bells saturate the electric fog that's slowly rolling in.
Over the span of thirty seven tracks, Symmetry embraces the elegance of European noir cut with a lean & violent American razor. Directly in your face & breathing down your neck one minute, & escaping beyond the night sky the next. The attention given to color & detail on these recordings is more graphic than musical. More visual than aural. With no flashy virtuosity to clutter the mood, the album's pulse thrives on the empty pockets of space left in the wake of throbbing bass & the faint flicker of electro candlelight. Minimal, strict, & always in motion, there's an oppressive overtone throughout the record that winds itself tight as a clock. Johnny Jewel & Nat Walker (Chromatics & Desire) give us propulsive moments that are more rhythm based than Pop, & less reliant on a lyrical presence than their other projects.
A lot of computer screens have flashed rumors of Jewel's synthesized score for Nicolas Refn's Drive this year. Symmetry isn't his score for Drive. These tracks date back to 2008 when Jewel was working on Farah's Into Eternity album. Some of the other tracks are the first things Jewel & Walker worked on in Montreal before Desire was up & running, & while Chromatics was in hiding after the success of Night Drive. As Jewel says: "We were just spending all night in a trance with not enough sleep, exploring space, rhythm & tone."
With repetitions in theme like hi hats dressed as stopwatches, and bass lines mimicking the pumping of blood, the statement of Symmetry is in the understatement. Dueling themes permeate & mirror the entire album. Feminine / Masculine. Space / Density. Bass / Treble. Tension / Release. Love / Isolation. Taking cues in texture & ambiance from Amercian composers John Cage, Morton Feldman, & Glenn Branca, while applying the more cascading & visual concepts of European composers Maurice Ravel, Gyorgy Ligeti, Erik Satie, & Karlheinz Stockhausen. We hear all of these elements through the veil & color of analog synthesizers & rhythm machines from the early 1970s, resulting in the suspenseful & patient territory pioneered by the hands of John Carpenter, Claudio Simonetti, Wendy Carlos, Klaus Schulze, & Krzysztof Komeda. Symmetry is not Pop. Stripped it to its most primitive & visceral core, this is music written for picture. Your life is the film & this is the soundtrack.
Themes For An Imaginary Film Recorded April 2008 Through May 2011
Musicians
Johnny Jewel / Piano, Synthesizer, Treatments, & Rhythm Machine
Nat Walker / Sequencer, Synthesizer, & Drum
Adam Miller / Guitar
Ruth Radelet / Voice
Achille Vettessi / Orchestral Percussion
Simone Adonai / Bassoon
Petrovka Makarov / Cello
Adriana Esposito / Viola
Track Listing
01. Introduction (3:03)
02. City Of Dreams (2:33)
03. Over The Edge (5:37)
04. The Nightshift (0:51)
05. Paper Chase (3:29)
06. Outside Looking In (2:07)
07. Midnight Sun (2:29)
08. Behind The Wheel (5:29)
09. Thicker Than Blood (3:37)
10. A Sort Of Homecoming (3:33)
11. Winner Take All (3:29)
12. Death Mask (5:35)
13. Jackie's Eyes (3:33)
14. The Fading Faces (2:15)
15. Mind Games (3:13)
16. The Maze (3:59)
17. Threshold (3:13)
18. Flashback (3:57)
19. Blood Sport (3:41)
20. The Hunt (2:49)
21. Survival Instinct (2:53)
22. Hall Of Mirrors (4:11)
23. Eulogy (2:57)
24. The Messenger (3:57)
25. Love Theme (1:55)
26. Through The Gauntlet (3:41)
27. Ghost Town (4:25)
28. Cruise Control (3:24)
29. Wave Goodbye (0:63)
30. Magic Gardens (2:05)
31. An Eye For An Eye (2:03)
32. The Point Of No Return (5:55)
33. Cremation (2:53)
34. The Nightshift Reprise (1:03)
35. Memories Are Forever Part (3:01)
36. Echoes Of The Mind (1:21)
37. Streets Of Fire (4:53)
Total Driving Time 2 Hours 37 Seconds
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No.10914
I find music to be consistently more powerful than film for me. Most music whether it be classical, electronic, rock, even rap paints a set of visual images in my head. For me the most powerful stimuli would be Wagner and ambient electronic.
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No.10916
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>>10914
>ambient electronic
I was thinking of posting this because it fit the thread. I knew this guy a little bit because we were on the same music forums. He was a big Stereolab fan, also interested in "underwater" library music ( for example Fabio Fabor - Aquarium https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdNFpKiJQWU ). Eventually he seemed to get into new age cassettes.
Lately he's been making his own music which is pretty cool.
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No.10942
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Midori Takada - Through The Looking Glass (1983)
Maybe some of you know about this already. It's one of the notable reissues of 2017.
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No.10954
>>10942
listening to this now. nice soundscapes. thanks!
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No.10965
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WARDRUNA
Nordic dark / tribal / pagan
Very evocative of another time and place
Use headphones or a good sound system!
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No.10973
I'm new to this guy but I love what I've heard so far.
Arvo Pärt (Estonian pronunciation: [ˈɑrvo ˈpært]; born 11 September 1935) is an Estonian composer of classical and religious music. Since the late 1970s, Pärt has worked in a minimalist style that employs his self-invented compositional technique, tintinnabuli. Pärt's music is in part inspired by Gregorian chant. His most performed works include Fratres (1977), Spiegel im Spiegel (1978), and Für Alina (1976). Pärt has been the most performed living composer in the world for five consecutive years.
http://www.arvopart.ee/en/
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0701736/reference
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No.10984
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>>10965
Anyone who likes Wardruna should also check out Ivar Bjørnson & Einar Selvik’s (of Wardruna) project Skuggsjá, as well as Forndom.
Forndom - Flykt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FVnH-OcwNk
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No.11192
Children of Alice should be /film/-approved
The group brings together James Cargill, Roj Stevens and Julian House - members of Broadcast, The Focus Group and Ghost Box Records
https://bleep.com/release/78524-children-of-alice-children-of-alice
>Named as an act of tribute to the late Trish Keenan, for whom Alice in Wonderland and in particular Jonathan Miller’s summerhazy '60s idyll of an adaptation, was a presiding inspiration. The name invokes her abiding spirit and also creates a sense of continuity with the evolving Broadcast soundworld, which became more concentrated and individual as it refined itself and adapted to new configurations.
That Jonathan Miller adaptation of Alice in Wonderland is unusual. I wonder if anyone here has seen it? Personally I don't like it very much. Alice is very frumpy and there's not much attempt to dress characters in costumes. So it's interesting that is was a big inspiration for Broadcast. I think that band was becoming very interesting just as Trish Keenan died. My memory is that they began as a bit of a Stereolab clone, but soon moved in an experimental direction that incorporated field recordings and found sound.
Anyway, I can't find a music link on soundcloud or youtube but hopefully you'll be interested enough to hear this album on your own.
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No.11218
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new music released 27 October 2017 on the artist's own label
<Maston reached for untapped influence—particularly the deep-grooving soundtracks of French and Italian cinema—to help shape Tulips.
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No.11324
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No.11344
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No.11348
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No.11401
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Speaking of Arvo Part I would like to watch this documentary "The Lost Paradise"
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No.11437
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I was looking through some old files and found this one. Great intro track that's hard to hear without added beats....
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No.11535
Some words on the extramusical by Aaron Copland ("What to Listen for in Music").
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No.11538
>>11535
Thanks for sharing! I agree with Copland that music commentators can be insufferable. The same holds for film theorists to a certain degree.
Copland makes an interesting distinction between Beethoven and Tchaikovsky. I wonder if everyone here would prefer Beethoven to Tchaikovsky, even if the former was the superior composer? Personally I rarely listen to Beethoven because I've heard it many times and I want to explore new territory. I haven't heard Tchaikovsky's symphonies as often so he's more appealing to me.
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No.11671
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I like to play this album in the background when I'm at the computer or just relaxing.
https://www.discogs.com/Blue-Chemise-Influence-on-Dusk/release/9677241
Blue Chemise – Influence on Dusk
Label: Greedy Ventilator – GV05
Format: Vinyl, LP, Limited Edition, Numbered, White Label
Country: Australia
Released: 2017
Genre: Electronic, Non-Music
Style: Experimental, Sound Collage, Abstract
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No.11973
Some Mars Volta songs sound cinematic as fuck. Especially this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RAFkfjZ2eU
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No.12002
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John Hill - Six Moons of Jupiter
<The Six Moons Of Jupiter suite is the first part of an idea originally conceived as thirteen piece concept performance. The challenge has been to write each piece in a distinctly different style combining poetry, electronic technology, spiritural jazz, classical music and ‘Space Rock’ to reflect the individual cosmic personalities of each of the moons that surround the largest known planet in our universe. The poem, written my Ian Michaels and recited by major label recording artist, Susan Christie, is based on the idea that all life on Earth originated on Europa, the only other place in the solar system with water ice.
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No.12011
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No.12012
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>>12011
Some ambient shit for you guys.
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No.12027
That's something that most considered a concept album.
Personally I think a piece of music that can be comparable to a film is one that has a clear beggining and end, with a different pace as the album goes along. Sometimes the concept may be something more focused on a certain topic, others can be mostly focused on how the music proggresses as it goes along.
Nail is the album I started to take as a milestone in the music that I've listened. It goes with the second description that I've said, as a contrary to Hole, which, while not in the whole album, has more of a tendency towards militarism, while Nail revolves more around anger and agony.
First track is an orchestral piece made with synths that only reappears before the last track and with some motifs in the third track. The order which was given to it is entirely thought out and changing it will destroy the tension that is being built up. The ending of Enter the Exterminator not being connected with the quiet then loud beggining of DI19026 wouldn't bring impact. Neither how the first vocals to be heard after the first orchestal track, being "Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeello", and the last vocals before the second orchestral being "See ya later", marks the ending of the character going in his breakdown. The last track ends up being a combination of noise samples that were left in the beggining in the album, making another allegation to a previos element that, if changed in order, wouldn't make a fit in the album, the rising tension all the first two tracks have, samples that were used in the previous tracks (bells in 2nd track, synths in 1st, percussion in pigswill, pace from last tracks), and concludes in a choir, already fitting thanks to the instrumental pieces.
I find that everything in it connects very fucking tightly, and none of it is left in to rot. Later albums before mid 90s would work more with instrumental tracks, applying tension less with tempo but more with melodical structure and tribal drums, and have even tighter composition. But Nail is more based on synth while the others are based on noise rock and jazz instrumentation with world music, combined with the typical industrial elements (hard drum machines, noise samples, distortion in sound).
It's a very big discography the one Thirlwell managed to achieve, with a lot of variety going as the years go by. It is one of those topics that I really clinge to because, since also a lot of people don't know about it, being sincere about it will only allow debate in between like-minded people.
The imagery of him is also very nice. Good use of colours along the time
>tfw will never get to strech his hand
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No.12029
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>>12027
>That's something that most considered a concept album.
>Personally I think a piece of music that can be comparable to a film is one that has a clear beggining and end, with a different pace as the album goes along. Sometimes the concept may be something more focused on a certain topic, others can be mostly focused on how the music proggresses as it goes along.
Like this? Listen to the whole album if you want to.
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No.12140
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No.12245
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Dying media can make a comeback!
13 Reasons Why Cassettes Are Cool Again in 2018
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No.12325
>>12245
cassettes are objectively the worst music format
1]they get fucked up more than records or CDs
2]they don't sound as good either
3]finding the track you want to listen to is a guessing game mixed with trial and error
the only purpose of buying them is to resell them to dumb hipsters
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No.12326
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>>12325
>cassettes are objectively the worst music format
8-tracks have to be worse. I can't imagine an 8-track comeback under any circumstances. I've never even played one of these things.
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No.12327
>>12326
well, yeah.
8-tracks are so bad i didn't even count them, since nobody uses them anymore
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No.12332
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I just listened to the entire Berlioz - Symphonie fantastique, then noticed that Ben Garrison is the top commenter on this video
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No.12358
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Sonambients (1971)
Sound sculpture!
>Filmed in 1971 in the Sonambient Barn of Pennsylvania, this is a limited edition set (of 500) of a documentary of spectacular footage of Harry Bertoia playing and discussing the Sonambient collection. Anyone who owns a Sonambient sculpture will want to complement their piece with this snippet of history.
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No.12375
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OP mentioned kosmiche so here's one of my faves
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No.12490
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Luciano Cilio-Dialoghi del presente 1977
minimalist mood music
> It is one of those albums that is like a dream....it somehow pulls your consciousness away as you listen, it is a catalyst for reflection, somehow relaxing and unnerving simultaneously. The moods are mostly melancholic to me, although it may simply be amplifying my current state of mind. In any case, Cilio's amazing daydream was captured thank God, because he would not last. He took his own life a few years later.
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No.12646
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Wow, I just heard this monster for the first time. At first I was indifferent and had the sound low, but quickly I was mesmerized and turned it up loud. It's a great 5-part jazz track "Sleeping Giant" by Herbie Hancock -- very similar to the out-there improvisational fusion style of On the Corner.
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No.12695
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https://yasuakishimizu.bandcamp.com
"Music For Commercials" is a brilliant and inventive collection of short pieces, initially conceived as soundtracks for Japanese TV commercials (and bearing sweet titles such as “Seiko”, “Sharp”, “Honda” etc). These twenty-three tracks (each clocking in at two minutes or less, except one longer piece composed for a computer-animation short) abound with hit-and-run sound collages, twittering computers, and energetic ricocheting between myriad styles of music. This album has achieved near-mythical status in the last few years, which have seen artists such as Oneohtrix Point Never sing its praise.
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No.13177
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This doubles as a general music thread, right?
I just found this track while browsing my old mp3s and I love it so much I'm going to share it with all of you
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No.13178
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The MRR-ADM orange vinyl 10" EP from 10 years ago. Killer groove but it sounds like shit on youtube.
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No.13370
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Getting back to music that works as a soundtrack to an imaginary film, I caught the end of this symphony on the radio and loved it. I guessed it was a German fairy tale, but no, Bruckner is Austrian.
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No.13372
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One more evocative piece I recently discovered: Brahms Tragic Overture
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No.13634
Archaic medieval films thread reminded me of the King Crimson's debut, the whole album is their most coherent story-wise and paints vivid imagery that anyone can imagine.
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No.13635
I caught part of a King Crimson performance at a small theater, but I didn't even know their music at the time :(
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No.13713
Recent acquisitions
New or reissued in 2018
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No.13723
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interesting film and interesting Sound.
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No.14179
Dominique Guiot - L'Univers De La Mer [1978]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1linSt8sEEY
French underwater library music. New to me and I love it.
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No.14186
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Mako Sica & Hamid Drake - Ronda (2018)
https://makosicahamiddrake.bandcamp.com/album/ronda
Improvisational and DEEP
<Brilliant, inspired and somewhat surprising collaboration between Chicago's premier free-rock trio and the truly legendary percussionist, Hamid Drake, who has played with everyone from Don Cherry to Peter Brotzmann to Lee Perry.
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No.14398
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No.14405
The whole thing is based on the album and I find the version in the movie better than the actual album.
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No.14406
i'm having difficulties understanding the original post. i've slightly reformatted it to be what i think the original poster most likely meant. i removed some redundancies, added commas and pronomials. i cannot be sure whether what i think the original post meant is what the original poster meant it to mean, so i'm including it here so that the original poster can verify or clarify. despite my syntaxic efforts, the meaning of the sentence that i enbracketed eludes me.
"Have any of you thought about some music being powerful enough to being an equivalent to film, reaching the status of a quasi/pseudo-film? Even if not as vividly articulated, music always paints pictures in the mind, which can be, in turn, related to the aesthetics of film. [Music that can be best met with a match, or with easily painted pictures, besides concept albums; and initial progressive rock is music with texture, and sonic landscapes like kosmischeklang, early post-rock, and some post-punk/no-wave, but I'd also like to hear the genres that paint a film in your head.] I'm not saying the two mediums are interchangeable, nor trying to break the boundaries of art, but it'd be nice to discuss and break up the monotony of the threads on the front pages.
The thread that this one replaced was a 9-reply thread on Inherent Vice."
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No.14411
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>>10973
Mein negger.
Vid related has to be one of the most beautiful yet haunting pieces of music i've ever heard.
>>14406
Think it's fairly obvious what the OP meant to say
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No.14413
>>14411
>Think it's fairly obvious what the OP meant to say
Why should he think that? It's quite obvious that he doesn't know what OP meant to say if he made that post. Hell, even I don't understand the sentence he enclosed in brackets.
<inb4 thread is about the relation between film and music.
That's obvious, but if you think that it's not important to have your meaning exactly understood, nor to exactly understand others' meanings, then you are either antisocial (then, why are you here, why are you wasting your precious time writing to us, reading what we wrote? Hm?), or an idiot (the goal of communication is, well, communication, if people are not exactly understanding each other, they are not communicating well).
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No.15036
https://superspectrum.bandcamp.com/album/massimo-e-massimo
Lost music from giallo films. At first you're not sure if this is real or not.
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