No.9068
>Has an inconsistent tone so it tries to be both srs business and wacky cartoon hijinks
>Robotnik is a dull villain (complete with being a villain right out of Captain Planet) who's only memorable for having Jim Cummings voice him
>Has a bloated crew of unneeded sidekicks before the games did it. Then do it again with that Cree Summer voiced dragon.
>Rings do whatever the plot needs them to do
>Hit and miss voice direction (Robotnik sounds okay enough but is too flat of a character to take advantage of Cummings' talent, Antoine is junk, Urkel Sonic, etc.)
How did this show get memed into being good?
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No.9073
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No.9075
>>9068
>Has an inconsistent tone so it tries to be both srs business and wacky cartoon hijinks
But when Avatar, Adventure Time, Futurama or pretty much any well-written comedic cartoons made in the 21st century do the same thing, that's ok.
>who's only memorable for having Jim Cummings voice him
But when Skeletor, Shredder, Megatron and King Cobra are memorable for the exact same reasons of having a memorable voice and not much else, that's ok.
>Has a bloated crew of unneeded sidekicks before the games did it.
Are you seriously going to tell me that the show could've been carried entirely with Sonic and Tails? Don't use AoStH as an example, because that's an episodic comedy with no ongoing plot. Or are just you one of those elitist douchebags from SonicRetro who hate any game after Sonic & Knuckles for having characters you don't like?
>Rings do whatever the plot needs them to do
As opposed to Chaos Emeralds doing whatever the plot needs them to do?
>Hit and miss voice direction
Out of all child actors for Tails, it had the only one that was decent. And as much as you might hate Urkel Sonic, it fit the character very well, and Jaleel was 15 at the time so he was able to take advantage of his child stardom. IE when he was actually a talented actor.
Just admit it. You don't like SatAM because you have a hateboner for 90s American Sonic canon.
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No.9076
SatAM isn't bad because it's dark, or because of the Freedom Fighters, or because of Urkel Sonic. It's bad because it's boring. It has some of the worst, most dull pacing I have ever seen in any cartoon touting itself as being an action-packed adventure, especially when the main character is faster than the speed of sound.
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No.9079
>>9075
Well, AoSTH did have some continuity. Just very small, "blink & you'll miss it" continuity.
But yeah, rewatching SatAM during the cartoon marathon did help me understand why the show has the cult following it still has. At its core it is just your basic Saturday Morning cartoon with the Sonic cast in it, but the show has a lot of charm & when they get something right, they really nail it, imo.
Not perfect or anything (Season 2 had way too many filler episodes before the big finale, Dulcy a shit, some characters did jackshit for most of the series etc.), but I can't look at episodes like the first one with Uncle Chuck or the Doomsday Project & not get why people like the show. On top of that, you can really tell the people who worked on it had some fun with it. The interview Ben Hurst did shortly before he passed showed just how much he cared for the show & Jim Cummings still busts out the Robotnik voice every once & a while, which is cool to see.
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No.9095
>>9079
It amazes me that the same people who bitch about SatAM and wonder why anybody likes it will turn around and be pissed at Archie Comics for not giving the 3 people who liked Underground a proper conclusion to the story.
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No.9100
>>9075
>But when Avatar, Adventure Time, Futurama or pretty much any well-written comedic cartoons made in the 21st century do the same thing, that's ok.
>Avatar after TLA Books 1-2
>Adventure Time after Pen Ward signed out
>well written
Pick one.
>But when Skeletor, Shredder, Megatron and King Cobra are memorable for the exact same reasons of having a memorable voice and not much else, that's ok.
Eggman should always be memorable. That's more or less AoStH's redeeming quality.
>Are you seriously going to tell me that the show could've been carried entirely with Sonic and Tails? Don't use AoStH as an example, because that's an episodic comedy with no ongoing plot.
SatAM's ongoing plot isn't good to begin with. Don't know what you're bringing up AoStH for. Nobody unironically digs anything about that show besides Robotnik and his goons.
>Or are just you one of those elitist douchebags from SonicRetro who hate any game after Sonic & Knuckles for having characters you don't like?
"The meany elitist keeping me down"
You can stop being so triggered now.
>As opposed to Chaos Emeralds doing whatever the plot needs them to do?
I could point out that this show came out at a time when the Chaos Emeralds weren't near as abused as they were come 06 (time travel) but 3D Sonic's plots have been bad to meh for a long while so whatever.
>Just admit it. You don't like SatAM because you have a hateboner for 90s American Sonic canon.
Go watch the Nostalgia Critic.
>>9095
>EVERYBODY WHO SAYS MEAN THINGS ABOUT MY SHOW IS THE SAME
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No.9103
>>9095
While I have my doubts that OP made this thread for the sake of good, honest discussion, I wouldn't generalize everyone like that. I've seen plenty of people who never really cared for the DiC Sonic cartoons in general.
I mean personally, I wasn't a fan of Underground but I was interested in how the Archie conclusion would've gone.
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No.9141
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No.9157
>>9095
Manic is a better character than any Satam character just for the simple fact of him not being a boring goody two shoes.
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No.9158
Anyway I used to ~really~ dislike Satam until I watched it.
>Has an inconsistent tone so it tries to be both srs business and wacky cartoon hijinks
Correct, honestly the biggest flaw its the writing and the execution of its plot. It tries to stick Sonic in a world of generic funny animals who look and act like it and barely attempt to be faithful to the original material, however sadly this is a fault of all the Sonic cartoons except X. A lot of the subplots and character relationships are written stereotypically and are very rarely explored outside their archetypes at that.
But, it's refreshing at the same time, especially since if you bring into account sonic characters didn't show much personality during the classic era due to it being on a 8 bit or 16-bit game and the characters, no matter how Disneyified and generic their roots are have some charisma to them. Also the world was an interesting effort, and made you excited to what would happen next. Something that pretty much doesn't exist in Boom or pretty much any Western cartoon for the past.. 10 years. Same with japanese animation since it's so damn predictable now, honestly.
>Robotnik is a dull villain (complete with being a villain right out of Captain Planet) who's only memorable for having Jim Cummings voice him
Won't even deny you that, a lot of people hype it up because of their childhood and nostalgia (but I was always able to detach from that so I can't really sympathize with people on that aspect much, either). I found him incredibly dull and boring. Snively and Magnus was miles better of a character.
>Has a bloated crew of unneeded sidekicks before the games did it. Then do it again with that Cree Summer voiced dragon.
Eh, it was alright; though what bothered me the most was like only 2 characters got to do shit and the character with the most classic sonic-y powers and design is regulated to the background and one is a coward because of the extremely archaic stereotypes as typical with Disney shit.
>Rings do whatever the plot needs them to do
Yup
>>Hit and miss voice direction (Robotnik sounds okay enough but is too flat of a character to take advantage of Cummings' talent, Antoine is junk, Urkel Sonic, etc.)
True
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No.9159
>>9158
The fact that most of SatAM's fans don't actually give a shit about Sonic tells me that without Sonic attached to it, it'd be a classic 90s cartoon next to Swat Kats that 90s kids praise about all the time despite it not being all that great.
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No.9160
>>9159
Honestly, I feel like that's a bit much.
A lot of the hardcore SatAM fans don't really seem that much different from the other hardcore sections of Sonic fans, whereas they just like that material over other stuff in the franchise.
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if in 10-20 years, we see the same thing from hardcore Boom fans. It's just what happens when you have a multi-media franchise that many fans came in at different times & prefer different stuff.
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No.9161
>>9159
>>9160
I do see a portion of Satam fans who don't give a fuck about Sonic outside Satam, though. What's funny is that "American" Sonic isn't more American than original classic Japanese Sonic, he's just more Disneyfied.
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No.9163
I'd be down for seeing the FF again though.. along with the other characters of the Sonic series of any media. There's no reason why we can't get this.
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No.9165
>>9163
>There's no reason why we can't get this.
Well, there's legal reasons as to why a good portion of those characters can't come back.
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No.9167
>>9165
Ok the ones except the Penders ones
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No.9168
>>9163
Didn't IDW kind of sort of hinted at a possible return of some of them in 2019?
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No.9169
>>9167
Truth be told, I'm not even sure about the legality of the Fleetway cast. I don't think anyone's ever asked if SEGA owns them, or the writers of the comic during their introductions, or what.
>>9168
IIRC, Ian said it's all up to SEGA
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No.9170
>>9169
The Fleetway cast were all based on little animal characters anyway.
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No.9172
>>9170
True. Worst case scenario, they can just get a redesign
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No.15191
I'm a fan and can agree with everyone saying it wasn't that good. I still like it far better than most animated Sonic media, solely because they actually put some effort into creating some sort of world. AoStH was literal cartoon world, Sonic X was fictional modern Japan, Boom did whatever was needed for the joke, etc. Not that those respective series were bad, but I really couldn't get into the setting since they put so little effort into creating a setting.
I also agree with the poster calling out S2 for being particularly bad. Dulcy was a goddamn tumor of a character.
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No.15193
Can we all at least agree the comic got better over the years?
I'm probably in denial, but as far as trying to make a story out of one of the most shallow franchises of all time, Archie got it closest to the status of "plausibly coherent".
But I'll let you be the judge of that…
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No.15195
>>15193
Archie? Honestly, for a while, it was probably my favorite Sonic universe no pun intended in Sonic media, particularly reboot Archie Sonic.
Pre-boot was fun too, but I just preferred the new 252 stuff more.
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No.16266
I liked SatAM even if I can barely remember it
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No.16267
>>16266
Been a long time since you saw the show?
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No.16306
>>15193
>I'm probably in denial, but as far as trying to make a story out of one of the most shallow franchises of all time, Archie got it closest to the status of "plausibly coherent".
They should have just read the manuals, or at least actually played the games. There was always a story there and they just never gave a shit. They didn't even bother to use what elements were there since the start. It was only later, when Flynn got on board, that he slowly started to try to make it resemble the games at least a little, but now after like three reboots, they're finally fully divorced from the weird Archie original stuff, and he still can't help but focus on OCs more than characters and concepts actually from the games. Not that it isn't way, way better, but I wish they'd use the actual story from the games more. Closest it ever felt like getting to that was the Shadow Fall arc from Universe, which did a good job picking up on plot threads from Shadow the Hedgehog.
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No.16541
It really is a meme at this point. Any of its strong point, the comic would latter do better. Don't get why Doug Walker would say it's good.
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No.16688
>>9068
Can we at least agree that it's not of the same caliber as Batman: The Animated series?
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No.18985
Satam is really
>"Princess Sally and The Fabulous Freedom Fighters! Featuring Sonic and Tails as supporting characters ala Shaggy and Scooby Doo
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No.19053
>>18985
Archie Sonic fixes a lot of SATAM's flaws by going through agressive trials of storytelling. Say what you will about the quality, but the comic team over the years through stuff at the ceiling to see what would stick. Turns out the cast matured in a way that was sometimes terrible, but not mundane unlike the middle of the second season of SATAM, which hit a wall hardcore
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No.19270
SatAM? Damn, forgot that show even existed. All I remember is that I had a huge crush on the French coyote guy as a kid and he gave me my first erection.
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No.19271
>>19270
Ant is kinda hot
Specially the redesign
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No.19860
>>18985
I liked that (Franco-Canadian?) comedy cartoon, when it was replaced by SatAM on UK TV I was pissed. I hated this shit when I was about 8-9 and it's not got any better over the years.
Rewatching that intro post-Gamergate revealed disturbing levels of pozz, too. Sonic is basically a getaway car, Sally is the one who does everything.
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No.19861
>>18985
In all fairness, while SatAM definitely centered itself around Sally more than Sonic, Sonic himself was still pretty important to the show. Hell, I'd argue the episode about him & Uncle Chuck remains one of the strongest in the entire series & his dynamic with Sally was pretty entertaining.
That being said, even though the show has aged in the last 20 years & is really just an okay Saturday Morning cartoon show that followed the same path as others from that time period & the comics did a lot of its strong points better, I can't say I didn't have a fun time rewatching it during the cartoon marathons from a couple of years ago.
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No.19985
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No.22229
>>19860
I don't know why so many guys simp for Sally, are they cucks?
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