No.21987 [View All]
How do you live with the fact that you're not a great man of history like Napoleon, nor a visionary artist like Beethoven, and that you will be forgotten after your death for all eternity?
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No.21994
Napoleon and Beethoven are going to be forgotten too.
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No.21995
>>21994
not as long as there are people around
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No.21996
I'm starting to get sick of this picture.
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No.21998
>>21995
>jews won't remove them
Why are leafs even shit here? Fucking kill yourselves already.
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No.22006
>>21987
Everyone gets forgotten eventually maplenigga, see khufu, you know who he is? no? he's the guy who built the great pyramid of giza, and we know almost jack shit about him because it was over 4000 years ago. All we have left of him is a tiny statue that might not even be his actual image but what someone thought he looked like 1000 years later when it was made.
Everything turns to dust eventually, focus more on getting a fucking life instead which is what I'm trying to do
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No.22018
I used to get extremely worked up about this, about how I wanted to leave a legacy behind that would last forever. Eventually I stopped caring.
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No.22021
>>21995
All we'd need to do is lose our records of them and we'd forget about them almost overnight. Memory is a fragile thing. The sun could wipe the slate with a sneeze.
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No.22022
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No.22023
>>21987
>How do you live with the fact that you're not a great man of history
Because 99% of all men that came before me weren't either and I take solace in that. Recognized in the history books, that is. There are undoubtedly countless great men who history has forgotten or has never known or whose deeds were on a smaller scale that those you named. Thinking about those men and their impossible to know adventures and deeds is a better feeling than looking up to the men who we all know from the history books.
You should also realize that most of those great men weren't occupied at all with the thought of being remembered by the world after their death, though some of them certainly were. Some of them were also only remembered after death and couldn't have known they would be remembered at all.
True Virtue doesn't know itself.
If you want a sense of leaving something behind, then plant a tree, make a statue, or carve something into the earth that won't easily fade. I suppose that's not what you're after since no one will know it was you who did those things, but it's something within the realm of possibilities for you to accomplish.
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No.22101
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No.22112
>>21987
The thing is, I am one, but i gave it all up and let someone else profit from it. Ive ghost written many hit respected movies and even shows, and nobody will ever know i wrote them. I did it because im lazy, I just basically told someone a bunch of ideas one night who i knew could make them happen. I didnt want to write it all down and go through the process of copy rights, negotiation, publication, etc. At the time I just wanted to see if people would like it, but i do now regret not taking credit. Maybe ill get credit in death.
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No.22121
>>21987
>that you will be forgotten after your death for all eternity
I believe in reincarnation, at least to some extent, so that's not a particular problem.
>>21995
Then, off the top of your head, name three great ancient Roman and Greek composers. Hell, throw ancient Egyptian ones in it too if you like.
Civilizations die, and their memories die with them to a very large extent. And ours is moving towards that point. Your eternal memory is going to last no more than a century, maybe two at most. And we haven't even built for eternity like those civilizations. Of us, there won't be much more known than is of the ancient Germanic tribes since we write on easily perishable paper instead of long-lasting parchment (if not in even easier destroyed computer memory), make buildings that fall apart in a generation, and use little metal tools, preferring plastic, which becomes brittle inside of a couple decades and is guaranteed to lose shape within a century.
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No.22124
>>22121
I hope reincarnation is fake news even though I also believe it's real shit but I just want to vanish into nothingness instead. Isn't this what you germanic people call Hel in your mythology?
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No.22161
>>21987
most humans are not remembered. you won't be either.
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No.22178
>>21987
>How do you live with the fact that you're not a great man of history like Napoleon, nor a visionary artist like Beethoven
All of Napoleon's gains were lost. Classical music has been substituted by a pop cultural plebeian consumer horde and their musical fads. None of the things which are great in the eyes of humanity are lasting. I wake up every day and take a shit, but this will end someday too.
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No.22463
>>22178
"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
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No.22486
Thats the funny thing nothing ever ends, it just keeps fading away. I find that deciding whether to do something small, or do something great is largely irrelevant. The question is whether to do anything at all. As the old saying goes "they cant unrape you". So you might as well go out there and fuck everything. I mean that in a metaphorical way, but suit yourself.
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No.22500
>>22023
Or books. The proof is in the printing. The ideas stay even if the person is gone
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No.22501
>>22124
>wanting to get out of suffering
>not enjoying and reliving suffering in an endless loop
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No.22520
It doesn't bother me, sadly I think because I am too busy being bothered by everything falling apart around me and being helpless to do anything. I just want to go back to being a teen and worried about Pokemon or some shit, instead of being worried if commies and Mexicans will finally kill me at some point. I want to take the blue pill but I don't know how to, other than frying my brain on drugs.
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No.22585
the only thing that really holds purpose in life is procreating and continuing your heritage or being remembered after you die. I don't want to be forgotten, that's why I'm going to try my hardest to change the world and be remembered, fuck starting a family.
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No.22599
>>22585
Valid but what if you don't care slightest about your heritage or being remembered? It's not question of low self-esteem, I just simply can't imagine instance where would passing my 'heritage' (whatever the fuck that even means) benefit anyone and why the hell would people desire to keep memory of me after my death. If there is one insecurity then it must be fear of being forgotten. It's not an insult, I just have hard time understanding it honestly, as I can imagine, my opinion can be hard to understand for people who are obsessed about postmortem idealized image of own's self. People won't remember you, people who will want to remember 'you' will cherrypick the good stuff (or if you will be monster, only the evil stuff) and make completely biased image about you right after you pass away.
There is no 'you' after your death, there IS 'you' only if you are alive because yours 'you' can be experienced by no one else than you.
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No.22603
There seems to be an innate need for people to prove their own existence, from the child that scratches his name in a school desk to the sadistic rapist who burns his soulless gaze into his victims memory. I can live knowing that I'll be forgotten, what disturbs me is dying without having left my mark, not my name.
>>22599
>but what if you don't care
Then you don't. How is this even a question?
>There is no 'you' after your death, there IS 'you' only if you are alive because yours 'you' can be experienced by no one else than you.
Then who am I responding to, if not you, pixels on a screen, bits and bytes, electrical signals, a collection of mostly carbon and hydrogen molecules that uses the letters y, o and u to signify itself?
There is no bottom.
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No.22605
>>22500
That too, but you'd need something pretty good to write down.
>>22599
>Valid but what if you don't care slightest about your heritage or being remembered?
Then you keep on trucking, I guess.
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No.22606
>>22603
>Then who am I responding to, if not you, pixels on a screen, bits and bytes, electrical signals, a collection of mostly carbon and hydrogen molecules that uses the letters y, o and u to signify itself?
Yet you totally miss the point of your image during your life and after your death. Good job sweetie.
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No.22607
>>22606
I didn't miss it, I hit it from further down the field.
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No.22609
>>21989
This, I just want a house, a wife and a little bit of land for living on and raising a family. I want to be left alone, not to be famous. Being famous would be the worst thing imaginable, definitely worse than being a loser nobody as I am now.
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No.22610
>>21987
Who the fuck cares?
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No.22847
No matter how successful or famous they are we will share the same fate in the end, I've never been an ambitious person so having a meager job and being able to not go hungry and pursue my hobbies is fine enough for me.
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No.22855
I think about how in other multiverses I'm the best
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No.22858
>>22609
Or maybe it wouldn't. The process of your destruction would go only faster and you would burn out like a can of gasoline. It requires special type of narcissist to be able to handle constant attention until you're old.
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No.22907
>>21987
Don't have to deal with anything I don't give a shit about because I'm not some delusional egomaniac who still believes he's "destined for greatness but those goshdurned filthy degenerate normiescum are keepin' me down, yo" because I'm no longer some tween cuntrag.
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No.23384
>>21987
just don't be a faggot nigger like >>22022
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No.23775
>>22520
Maybe stop worrying about reactionary boogymen? I'm pretty sure the federal government would have troops firing into crowds of these lunatics tiananmen square style before a true communist insurgency came anywhere close to materializing.
They wouldn't be doing it for all the right reasons of course but the US becoming another USSR is in no one's best interest and with our capabilities such a state could pose the greatest threat to humanity currently possible.
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No.23814
>>22855
Multiverse theory doesnt mean infinite variations. You could be the same loser in every universe.
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No.23843
>>22858
Pehaps I am a fool, but I would rather continue as long as possible with the hope of something at least interesting coming about. I don't think I will ever be happy, but to experience something interesting would be marvelous. Be it the collapse of society, or some other extreme paradigm shift, whatever. As long as it is interesting or novel, I would enjoy experiencing it. I have no delusions about it making me a hero, or even surviving. But it might be poetic, if even in a tragic manner, and to me, that would be beautiful and therefore worth living for.
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No.23846
>>23843
Yes I totally get it and I'm not saying that anything exciting is garbage, I'm just saying that I really wouldn't want attention of bigger masses. However, I don't even think collapse is that much interesting or whatever. Interesting things happen here and there, and often they don't, such is life.
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No.23849
>>21987
Most people will be forgotten after their deaths.
Most of humanity is forgettable. It's only a very few individuals which are remembered. For instance, normies can't even remember who was the president during the gilded age of America, but they will DEFINITELY remember that George Washington was the 1st president and one of the founders of America.
I don't care about being remembered, I never did. I never even cared if my funeral would have only a good dozen people there. What I care is that my material life is comfortable. I can't go on thinking about things such as this which'd make me uncomfortable because obviously I won't be seen as a great man of history.
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No.24047
>>21987
>How do you live with the fact you're not a great man of history…
didn't know that was an important goal. plus, I aint dead yet so can't conclude that I won't be well known or not in the future. unlikely, but it's a bit too early to make that determination
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No.24080
Who cares? The Sun will die out eventually. The Universe will go dark and cold. Even the Black Holes will vaporize. And obviously, humanity will exterminate itself much sooner than anything of this happens. There won't be anyone to remember. Just go through this ride with ease. Even though it's ultimately pointless, but nevertheless you should live your life as best as you can: don't become a mindless NPC, read, contemplate, watch good movies, listen to good music. Given the times we are born in, we have the possibility to experience only the best the humanity has to offer. There are plenty of things to be sad about, but being 'forgotten' is definitely not the one. Consider how many people has there even been on this planet, and think about how many we remember. Billions and billions of lives: everyone had their family, their desires, everyone had consciousness, and thought about this at one point in life for sure. Just relax. You are not the first one.
Sorry for this stream of thought, but I hope I made myself clear enough.
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No.28400
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No.28415
If anything, God's biggest mistake was His over-fondness for Man. You know what God defines as sin? Not following His "divine plan." He doesn't care about how many people you killed/fucked/swindled/bribed/domineered. If you are a viruous human who gives up on his carnal desires and refuses to follow God for "finding purpose", you are as good as dead. God will populate heaven with humanity's filthiest trash bc they decided to suck up to their Creator in their last breath while Hell is filled with virtuous people who live simple and humble and dont need a deity for validation.
If thats not narcissism, I dont know what is.
If free-will beings are bound by predestination with no power to choose their physical, social, and chronological characteristics, what good is free will?
I'd rather have God be a Watcher. Cold, unmoving, non-interfering. Bc let's be honest: people become Christians because they're flattered with the idea that someone or something is watching out for them, interested in them.
Not bc they feel they need to be a part of something bigger than themselves. Christianity, if you have noticed, is the most anthro-centric belief. Thats why white rightists love it so much. They can hide their racial narcissism behind it.
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No.28477
This morbid obsession with making milestones is the reason for most world problems. No one can change the world. But the world is changing. History is made by the few, executed by the masses. The west has been spoiled by the nonstop back-to-back action of the 17th-20th centuries into thinking history happens once every twenty years. That each new generation is obliged to theatrocally level up society or theyre a failure. Thats why the millennials and now zoomers are accused of bringing "the dark ages part. Two", bc life is not bound to human whims.
Adults are only able to think fifty years max relative to current year anyway.
For all we know, there were ancient ruins in the days of the Greeks that commoners used as a idiom.
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No.28549
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No.28567
>>21987
I do everything in my power to change it…
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No.28579
>>21987
HA Satan thinks he can stop me from being a great man remembered throughout all of history? Fat chance.
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No.28589
exercise between 40-60h/week often get episodes of puching myself in the face non-stop for 5hours or running 45mi till i pass out from dehydration because i hate myself for being an ugly incel khv virgin and being a fucking CS cliche on top of it, i am seriously going insane i used to have great grades in university now i dont do shit because of my episodes. I am a failed narcissist and i dont take it well at all
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No.28597
>>28477
Ah good to see a fellow Calvinist here. I unironically held the same views; except that I've come to accept the whole thing as very based. I mean; the Christian God is truly the God of doomers. The cast out; and destroyed is invited in to a union of suffering with Christ. I will be forgotten; but thats insignificant as my glory is with Christ.
After reading the book of Hosea which I take as an allegory of God's predestination; I realized that without predestination the relationship that come from salvation is empty; imagine marrying someone merely because he/she pass the uni without ever meeting her.
As for all man; saved or not; that will all die and be forgotten, I resolved that their lives is preserved in God's eternal glory. For He knows all.
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No.28598
>>28597
Sorry; I meant to reply to >>28415
God bless you all anon. May you find peace.
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No.28599
>>28597
Predestination is petulance on God's part. Imagine burning people in hell because they choose to create their own destiny. The fact that God made humans as pets to "bond with" and dangle the free will schtick is beyond narcissism.
They say God is all-powerful, indescribale. If so, why does he allow Satan to wreak havoc? Why did God put Satan in the Garden?
I think God is the metaphysical autist that never wanted open fate.
Im sorry but I feel God created us to have animate toys
He can abuse as His whims please.
Also, I believe with all my heart that Christianity is popular because of its anthropocentrism not bc of its humility.
Man prides Himself as above the animals just bc He builds tools and machines that can imitate nature and explore other realms. Yet despite allthis, He is bound to biological and psychological drives not unlike the animals. He is at the mercy of weather and wild animals amd plants. And then He has to contend with the fact that his world isnt infinate but a small speck of rock orbiting around a big ball of burning gas that can devour the earth when it burps.
Thats why when life doesnt go as planned, people say "God is angry at us for abandoning Him."
No one loves God for God. I dont care what any cocksucking churchgoer says. These people are in church bc their generational zeitgeist is dead and gone. The world has moved on to new fads. Its all masturbation.
Also, people who say "Christianity is not a religion, its a relationship with God" or "I dont believe in religion, I believe in Jesus" deserve a punch to the brain.
God shouldve been a Watcher. Never punishing nor rewarding. No plan for alvation Let mankind create their own destiny. If they snuff themselves out because of sin, then so be it. Nature is better off.
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