No.55473
I was thinking of going back to school, and then thought, "why not ask the internet what to do?" I'm currently in the military operating crypto equipment and ferrying emails about, but yearn for something a little more engaging to do with my life.
I could go back to school for CS, but CS people are absolutely awful and anything you learn in school in a 3 year program will have been obsolete for 5 once you're done. Even if you do ever get a job, you'll be surrounded by assholes who submit every commit you make to "thedailywtf.com".
I could try computer engineering instead, but unless you're going to become a graduate student by 25, you're dead in the water with no relevant skills because only the cutting edge matters.
I could try EE, but that has the same issues as computer engineering, but also it's even more difficult but also a lot of the major issues outside of computing are long since solved, so there's no jobs for anyone outside of the cutting edge except for nepotist-hired italians and greeks bolting COTS transformers together.
I could go into UI/UX, but that's namby pamby bullshit that never ends in a job, since the people who do actual UI/UX are usually drawn from software teams or groups of non UI/UX specialists
Or, I could go back for something more artsy and not directly related to computers that I like, but those artsy-fartsy jobs either don't exist or are all mafia-controlled; things like industrial design, architecture, civil engineering, etc.
What is a /cyber/ job that is actually viable to study and vye for in the current year of 2009?
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No.55475
>>55473
Military is actually relatively cyber - learn some prepper type skills. What was your MOS ?
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No.55482
CNC machining, Helpdesk for an MSP (The spoils, boys, that an a blue shirt and khakis will get you in almost anywhere.) Just off the top of my head but really any trade which skills you can use for yourself which serve you for fucking the system, scamming the system, and protecting your own I would also say is shway.
>Military is cyber
Glow harder. If gun play and, dare i say, GITS action is your idea of cyber then i got some bad news for you pal.
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No.55488
>>55473
I am currently enrolled in a cybersecurity bootcamp… I'm thinking that's relatively top 水 with decent opportunities. J
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No.55493
>>55473
>waaaah all CS courses are obsolete
>waaaaah all engineering courses are obsolete
Aside from being just wrong, your OP reeks with anxious pessimism.
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No.55501
>>55473
If you want something engaging get out of tech.
AI programming pays.
Security consulting pays.
Start up a .com that isn't cucked leftists.
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No.55502
if you're more hands on, look into manual trades like welding, machining, electrical (i rec. auto-electrical)
>>55482
agree but if your country has PMC's that aren't difficult to enter without prior service then you should apply tomorrow.
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No.55503
>>55482
>Glow harder.
Quite the opposite; I was actually annoyed enough by >>55475 I had to walk away. (and tbh >>55502 too now that it's here lmao pmcs what the fuck is this, metal gear??)
I just meant it in that my job is about half junior sysadmin and half secretary. Whatever margin for error between those halves is spent on the actual sea ninja stuff, which even then is not all shootgun and purple flares; about as schway as it gets is damage control which is largely just "hey a fire alarm went off; maybe try to put that out".
Without getting too deep though, I just hate my job because I can't really do anything interesting there, even tryna just write some batch files to clean up text gets me reprimanded
>>55493
>your OP reeks with anxious pessimism.
…But I've found that CS communities are generally pretty abrasive – even just googling stuff and being led to stackexchange usually just led to combing a flame war for anything useful
And in terms of hardware, because of the whole "maker" movement, there's a lot of IOT garbage and a lot of "how to make a single bracelet charm from a laser cut altoids tin made from hard drive platters" garbage to sift through before finding, say, a source of particularly large sewing needles for putting through leather. But then you stumble on a demoscene forum, and it's all sick as fuck right up until any thread about actual software or scripts or anything that isn't "lol i wired my vga to stereo". Because the software/scripting/etc threads descend into bickering immediately, and then it's just, like, why even try to be a part of this, all you do is bitch at people for even trying, let alone trying anything you aren't personally trying already, and then you bitch at those people who are for biting you
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No.55527
>>55503
I have also seen this, both online and the in the work place. I feel that the infighting as well as lack of documentation for what I would assume are standard practices. (Software, Scripts, Procedures) are both due to nobody really being confident in what the group is doing. I can't tell you how many office places I have been too and walked away from with a sense that the business is still costing on the momentum of the "first guard" who set up the business model and now that the second and third guards are gone and they have all done such a shit job at documenting and ensuring the next generation are going to maintain the standard. Now take that same idea and apply it to special interest forums. Mainly these were set up by groups of people who had a keen interest in a subject and likely a firm grasp on the practical application of said subject. Time goes on, founding members move on and the quality of the forum goes down as everyone simply refereed to those golden stickyed post which became outdated so new users had to find hacks and workarounds to make shit work. People have different ideas, this causes infighting and since a forum members are not normally bound together by a continued interest in getting paid group cohesion breaks down and your left with a dead board…. I did just read a thread on tech about the utterly sorry state of questions posted on some more of the larger clearnet forums which deal in programing and more complex topics IT administration and it seems there, questions like how do i add 2 in java so i can see why that would get tiresome. This is my own opinion based off my own experiences so your mileage may vary.
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No.55530
>>55527
>the business is still costing on the momentum of the "first guard" who set up the business model and now that the second and third guards are gone and they have all done such a shit job at documenting and ensuring the next generation are going to maintain the standard.
Welcome to the RCN!
I got to visit our east coast radio station (i.e the long range backup comms place thing, but also the air-ground-air station for flights that want weather and traffic reports), and they described their entire software suite as being written by some one lady who had "backdoors", and that they didn't have that access anymore now that she left, and maybe died at some point. They didn't give me a year but it sounded like a 70s era project with zero documentation left behind. I asked people if they could email me stuff later, and they just said "well there's the sharepoint at …." and those sharepoints just have the usual NATO pubs and bunches of disorganized notes and unscrubbed message traffic nonsense that doesn't actually help develop or even teach anything.
But then we went to the actual Network Operations Center, which is mostly run by civilians, and it was much more streamlined. They even had basic cable management, and could answer questions about network architecture! That whole day taught me an important lesson: the military has some well-meaning people in it, but as an organization, is utterly useless at everything it wants to do. It's just not willing enough to build skill. And it rewards raw enthusiasm over talent, skill, or even real panic-driven skill/talent-supported drive way too much, leading to a lot of bad processes that are slower and less secure than their alternatives.
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No.55535
>>55530
Sounds exactly like an insurance company i did some work for. Custom crystal reports living on an AS400 which needed to be made compliant as they were still running XP as of a year or so ago. Fortunately I was able to simply run dos box for some of the stand alone programs so they worked in windows 10. For the undocumented ODBC connections i banged my head on the wall for a few hours and out of desperation i simply exported the regkey which contained the settings I was missing and sure enough they worked in windows 10 once we got the IBM iaccess stuff in place. The workplace was on its 4th guard and it was showing. The lady I was working with, apparently very important because she signs the checks, really only reads internal spreadsheets and signs checks and spends the rest of her time playing solitary, I watched her do this for a better part of a day via a remote connection I had established.
As a point of order, corporate culture is the other side of the cybe coin. I still say fuck em and fuck the system but they are already doing a good job of fucking themselves and I still need a paycheck. Also you would not believe some of the "unneeded" hardware I have received from some of these offices.
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No.55536
>>55503
>even tryna just write some batch files to clean up text gets me reprimanded
Oh shit, I over looked this. How much you want to be its because you were going to make your supervisors look back? My trick is to bring up deficiencies and solutions in ear shot of my bosses boss. I'm sure you can image the level of pants shitting going on in my idiot managers office when the owner is requesting a meeting with me.
Seriously i have no pity for idiots higher then me on the great ladder, nor should you. Or any other cyberpunk who has a black belt in administrative violence.
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No.55540
>>55536
>>55535
Is this what it's like to live in the Dilbert world?
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No.55547
>>55540
My familiarity with Dilbert goes as far as subject content as a description. Its not my world but they are my clients as far as my profession is concerned. Also not all my clients are one lung operations, just for the record.
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No.55548
>>55473
Working as radio-technicion for telecom-company in the city. mostly work alone, spent a lot of time on rooftops, nice view, good brouzouf. best decision i made after getting bored to death in IT-departement.
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No.55557
>>55548
>My familiarity with Dilbert goes as far as subject content as a description.
How do you even get this job? A lady at my previous unit was said to be a lineman of some kind, but was also declared Non-Effective Service despite burning it at both ends to be our departmental training coodinator
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No.55558
>>55547
I too use the word "synnergize" every day.
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No.55565
>>55557
>>55557
I just looked at what the labor market service had to offer. found out the local technical college offers retraining. the courses are in the evening so i could keep my job. costs some brouzouf to take the tests and the extra climbing-lessons but after 2 years you're a shway communications-electrician.
during the last quarter you have to work as an apprentice in a company. because i worked in IT i got it easy and they just kept me since then. its a big telecompany in europe and i'm still a corpo-wageslave but sometimes i work very early and smoke a cigarette on a rooftop while the sun is rising.
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No.55566
>>55503
>lmao pmcs what the fuck is this, metal gear??)
reminder that blackwater was hiring cooks with top secret clearances last year (job listing since removed) and half their listing were cyber a few months ago.
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No.55570
>>55482
>Helpdesk for an MSP
Don't do this unless you really, truly hate yourself.
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No.55617
>>55503
imagine being this much of a retard
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No.55621
Service industry - Cook, dishwasher, janitor (hopefully not but its possible)
Tech - IT, programming
Engineering - Applied electronics engineering, robotics, installation
Trades - Plumbing (not residential), Electrician work, HVAC, Elevator, Construction
Obviously location matters a lot. Working as a programmer at google is not actually very cyberpunk. It's almost the opposite. If Adam Jensen from Deus Ex would be hacking into your emails and not visa versa….
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No.55622
>>55621
oh shit I forgot some good ones
Bouncer, bartender, salesman, etc… nightlife in general
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No.55629
>>55621
>location matters
Can confirm. Used to do software development for a corp, and it was the most monotonous, non-punk shit ever.
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No.57386
>>55566
>reminder that blackwater was hiring cooks with top secret clearances last year (job listing since removed) and half their listing were cyber a few months ago.
Thats definetely /cyber/ AF. Cyber Mercenary for hier. Official Military has "cyber" jobs as well.
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No.58076
>>55548
>radio-technicion for telecom
Pretty 水 chummer.
>>55473
Maybe /cyber/ is just whatever breaks you out of 'the matrix' or exposes you to the non-corperate world in some form. Thats skyline for a radio-tech, thats people for nightlife jobs.
All of this is romanticized though to an extent. A radio-tech probably doesn't feel /cyber/punk while showing up to work. A street food vendor is probably a horrible job, and doesn't feel 水.
Case's cowboy console job does actually exit - There are now documented cases of corp espionage that involve hacking.
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