No.54313 [Last50 Posts]
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No.54314
>>54313
We already live in a low-dystopian society. Multinational corporations fuck over the environment and exploit workers on the daily, the media keeps large swathes of the population whipped into political fervor with false stories, lies, half-truths, and general bullshit, the social and political divides are greater than they have ever been, and we're only a hairsbreadth from corporations owning people.
Oh, and hilariously, while most media…comics, films, television shows, novels, etc made it seem like the cause of dystopia would be right-wing religious authoritarianism, the complete opposite has happened…the far-left socialist authoritarians have taken over western society via mass media, post-secondary education, and silicon valley tech sectors.
This is the weirdest dystopia.
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No.54320
>>54313
We'll have to start rebelling
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No.54321
>>54320
Article was somewhat interesting but damn it's full of leftist shit, at least archive it
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No.54325
>>54314
Far-left socialist… multinational corporations? You sure about that?
Today's era of emerging low-life high-tech life standards is more of a clusterfuck for me. It's not a world governed by a small group of like-minded individuals, but rather a deeply fragmented one, with various different interest groups fighting each other and causing great suffering to innocent bystanders.
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No.54326
>>54321
>at least archive it.
http://archive.is/Rqemw
I did it for them for the simple reason medium is a trash publication that I've known to drop pages when they no longer serve their agenda.
>Far-left socialist… multinational corporations?
Yes, at least that seems to be the case with big tech and media corporations. They primarily bias a hard left narrative. Anything contrarion is derezzed or surpressed. These people are just globalist technocrats who want to be on the top and never have to suffer sharing a room with a mere pleb.
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No.54327
>>54325
>Far-left socialist… multinational corporations? You sure about that?
Virtually every major multinat and NGO is pushing for globalist agendas like open borders, reducing the power of the nation-state, promoting degenerate and fringe sexual identities, dismantling localized cultural norms in favor of a prefabricated "world citizen" identity, and so on. Nowadays these are positions typical for self-described "socialists" and "leftists", even though they're really just marching to the tune that's played for them by the institutions that own them.
We're living in very strange times. The left/right dichotomy doesn't really work anymore. The real question now is globalism vs. the nation-state. In a way, cyberpunk fiction in the 80s predicted this, but we were all so caught up in the 20th century's political status quo that it didn't really become apparent until recently.
For a fun time, look up the WTO riots in Seattle. The "left" and the "right" unified to protest globalization. That hasn't really happened since because both movements have been subverted and made to fight each other.
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No.54328
>>54325
>>54326
>>54327
Don't forget though that it's far left in social issues only, economics are as capitalist as ever, except of course when using the state to control the masses either through the police state or through handouts
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No.54329
Remove your tracking hash from your links next time you post them publically OP. Just a word to the wise.
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No.54332
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No.54333
>>54332
I thought that was an edit or composite image at first, we cyberpunk now yes
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No.54336
>>54327
>reducing the power of the nation-state
Toppest of schways
>The real question now is globalism vs. the nation-state
<A literal false equivalency
>The "left" and the "right" unified to protest globalization
MFW leftist in denial is ready to accept other leftists at last
>both movements have been subverted and made to fight each other
>polar opposites were divided
This is what /pol/ does to your brain
>>54328
>economics are as capitalist as ever
>Meanwhile most states keep creating more tariffs, regulations and ever-increasing taxation rate, all following aforementioned political agendas
Yeah, as capitalist as ever and needs to be fixed with a good dose of regulatory policies, what else?
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No.54342
>>54325
>Far-left socialist… multinational corporations? You sure about that?
how else can you describe the utility of allowing hordes of middle aged high health-risk sub 70 IQ goblins entering high-tek zones? even suggesting that a barrier to them or dangerous contraband out as inhumane? unless you are being paid by the drug cartels I can find no other justification for it. how else can society justify literal breeding programs for sub 60 IQ goblins who sperg kill between the age of development is between 13-65? psychotic is the only word to describe this.
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No.54343
>>54336
<…except of course when using the state to control the masses either through the police state or through handouts
They're using the state as a tool dude
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No.54345
>>54343
That's literally the way state works, they're not "misusing" it, they are its correct representation.
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No.54366
>>54326
Thanks for the archive.
There is a fundamental disconnect in most critical writing about cyberpunk fiction. Most of the hacks who get paid pennies to scribble 4000 marketable words re cyberpunk are poorly informed. They can make perfunctory genuflections at the idol of William Gibson, but they haven't really done much reading.
Long before William Gibson started writing Neuromancer, there was a thriving literary movement trying to produce neo-noir sci-fi. William Gibson eventually joined that movement and threw out the label "cyberpunk," and by dumb luck he was rewarded far beyond the scope of his actual contribution. William Gibson did not invent cyberpunk so much as he took credit for neo-noir.
As a result, people ignore the fact that neo-noir science fiction is the larger sci-fi context within which cyberpunk flourished.
Many of the technologies required for cyberpunk have failed to materialize, notably neural interfaces and high-quality implantable prosthetics. Many of the technologies that would have been required for a fully cyberpunk world do exist, but have been repressed more harshly than Gibson ever imagined (see the War on Drugs).
Finally, some technologies evolved in ways that Gibson had no inkling of. 3-D printing, crypto-currency, and copyright infringement through BitTorrent are all part of the real world, but Gibson didn't imagine them. So, the article is wrong to say "cyberpunk is now." Perhaps we could say "neo-noir is now" but that is so vague that one shouldn't even bother to say it.
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No.54374
>>54345
>they are its correct representation.
Well yes, i'm not saying they're "misusing" it.
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No.54392
>>54366
Gibson didn't invent the term "cyberpunk." It was coined by Bruce Bethke, who used it as the title for a short story he wrote in 1980: https://archive.is/4FbOA
What Gibson did invent was the term "cyberspace", which had never been used before. Gibson was the first to reference a space "inside" the computer, to represent the network itself as a physically accessible place. This is what caught the imagination of a much wider audience and what really lent to cyberpunk's cultural impact in the mid 80's through the mid 90's.
I think anyone with an honest interest in cyberpunk understands (or at least, they should understand) that it's a subset of the neo-noir or tech-noir genre. Most of the time people misusing the term are normies that only pay attention to it because it's a cultural fad.
>Finally, some technologies evolved in ways that Gibson had no inkling of. 3-D printing, crypto-currency, and copyright infringement through BitTorrent
Gibson did predict 3-D printing (it's a plot-relevant technology in the Bridge trilogy), and he did describe a world in which digital currencies had replaced physical ones (although arguably this is more a reference to the rise of credit/debit cards than any truly digital currency).
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No.54393
>>54374
Nope, you're saying that they somehow are using state wrong, which is retarded. You literally contradicted yourself by claiming "world is as capitalist as ever except when it doesn't and instead implements leftism" because then it's not fucking capitalist, you dumb dipshit, and you only did that to support your degenerate false equivalency.
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No.54394
>>54393
>you're saying that they somehow are using state wrong
No i didn't say that, read it again.
fuck i think i know who you are now, you know what forget it, you are just not going to understand
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No.54398
>>54394
>No i didn't say that, read it again.
<economics are as capitalist as ever, except of course when using the state to control the masses
<economics are as free as ever except when they are not
Sure takes big brain to understand
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No.54409
>>54398
You are reading what you want to read dude.
Capitalism uses the state for it's own benefit, but at this point i would call that misusing it.
That's what i said and am saying, read it as many times as you need, it's alright, take your time.
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No.54414
>>54409
>but at this point i would call that misusing it.
wouldn't*
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No.54429
>>54409
>Capitalism uses the state for it's own benefit
>Capitalism is anything i don't like
You're a really dumb shit, aren't you?
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No.54431
>>54429
>Capitalism uses the state for it's own benefit
yes
>Capitalism is anything i don't like
no
There i boiled it down to yes and no, hope you can understand that, i don't think i can dumb it down ever further for you, would be nice if you tried to though.
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No.54434
>>54431
>Capitalism uses the state for it's own benefit
>because capitalism is some boogeyman
You're a fucking retarded monkey nigger. Kill yourself, you dumb scum.
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No.54441
>>54434
Can't say i didn't try to help, but if you refuse to understand then there's nothing i can do.
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No.54446
>>54441
Don't ever post again so that nobody has to face this amount of pure normalfag retardation.
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No.54451
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No.54457
>>54327
It's amazing to see how different the left and right has become since the "Battle of Seattle".
It's sad to see how much environmentalism has been hijacked by capitalists like Al Gore.
For better or worse capitalism will adapt and win until Doomsday since it has no leadership or rules like Communism had.
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No.54458
>>54336
>Implying that anything >>54327
stated was opinion rather than fact.
GTFO brainlet.
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No.54459
>>54342
>psychotic is the only word to describe this
Kosher sounds like another fitting word for it.
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No.54460
>>54345
Nice pic, dude. It describes liberal economics well.
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No.54463
>>54446
Capitalism is bad and uses the state for its own benefit.
There i posted it again.
reminder i'm completely on board with >>54345
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No.54489
>>54463
Leftism is bad and blames the problems it causes on capitalism to only make them worse, empowering politicians in the process. Kill yourself, leftyfag.
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No.54525
>>54314
>This is the weirdest dystopia.
Not really,lots of people all the way back in the 90's were warning about companies trying to co-op social causes, the whole "we got your revolution for sale". Problem is the leftard NPCs took that dick in the ass and are asking for more.
>>54325
>with various different interest groups fighting each other and causing great suffering to innocent bystanders.
Thats how it used to be, specially in the cold war. But now? name me one openly alt-right supporting billionaire or corporation.
On the other hand which one isn't pro-lefty? they all put pride bullshit and wammen empowerment crap.
>>54327
>That hasn't really happened since because both movements have been subverted and made to fight each other.
>both movements have been subverted
Nah just the left, they got completely dominated after the occupy fiasco, SJWs are COINTELPRO and were deployed there.
The right is the same as always, maybe just bolder.
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No.54538
>>54489
>Leftism is bad and blames the problems it causes on capitalism to only make them worse
Yes indeed
>empowering politicians in the process
Fuck that
>Kill yourself, leftyfag.
Who do you mean? i think you're confused
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No.54641
>>54525
I wouldn't say the right is the same. It not only got bolder, but also more radical, and most notably - more hip. Just look at the 2016 elections. It's been discussed to death, but with leftist control of institutional media, the kids in MAGA hats are now the edgy rebels, not the ones with dyed hair and piercings and ripped jeans.
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No.54644
>>54525
>On the other hand which one isn't pro-lefty? they all put pride bullshit and wammen empowerment crap.
Notch. :-] I'll admit he is very much an exception to the rule
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No.54645
>>54489
KILL THE UNEQUAL
KILL THE UNEQUAL
KILL THE UNEQUAL
PEACE AND ANARCHY
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No.54649
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No.54658
>>54641
True, but trumps fuck ups on purpose or not are making the right look pretty stupid too at times
>>54644
Even so, it's not like he's all that right wing
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No.54661
>>54525
I think I probably should have realized how fucked things were a decade ago when Henry Rollins said on the matter of Punk music being used in commercials "Nobody sold out. We have arrived. We are 'The Man' now, and that's good!"
No. No it isn't. Every time that corporations and governments and society at large gets a hold of something "edgy" they round it all over and distort it to fit what they want. It just becomes a softer cudgel to beat people with. And considering the current state of punk rock…corporatized, defanged, declawed, and unchallenging of mainstream social narratives…shit's pretty fucking bad.
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No.54666
>>54525
>Thats how it used to be, specially in the cold war. But now? name me one openly alt-right supporting billionaire or corporation.
Donald Trump. He's been supporting fringe right-wing politicians for quite some time now. And he's both a billionaire and the president now.
Robert Mercer and his family openly support alt-right.
Peter Thiel is more libertarian than alt-right, same's with the Koch Brothers. And I think it was Andressen (from a16z venture capitalist fund) who defended Milo Yiannopoluos on Twitter is generally anti-lefty.
There's also much more conservative and tranditional Republican supporters among corporations, and even more among billionaires (You're definitely right in saying that pride and wommen empowerement is trendy now, so I guess some millionaires simply support right-wing movements individually, rather through corporate means just to avoid backlash).
Alt-right public speakers are petty and childish so I can understand why they don't have that much support.
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No.54669
>>54666
if you are stupid enough to think that Trump supports the Alt-right then you're a fucking idiot. Do you think CNN has a lick of honesty in their reporting? I'm sure you think there's a huge increase in anti-minority attacks because of trump too, you fucking retard.
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No.54680
>>54669
You blind fool.
I don't watch CNN. You just need to read his twitter feed (even before the elections) to see that.
And sure, I think Trump inhibits the spread of anti-minority attacks. Weak minded individuals find inspiration in leaders like that. But to say he's the only reason is a huge overstatement.
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No.54681
I think anyone who could read the writing on the wall knew this was all destined. I was in Jr high when when I realised this just with the curve in trends technology had caused. I'm in my mid 30s now.
Honestly, between me and you anon. I could not be happier.
In this cyberpunk future we have so many resources available the problem is not that we don't know what to do with it but most people are not creative enough to use the tools this wonderful age has granted us! Any determined cyberpunk can turn a raspberry pi into a remotely accessable spying platform with functionality that would make Q's eyes like up like a kid on chrismas morning. Access to affordable miniturised high percision machining tools to make any type of weapon you can design or look up. Access to dark marketplaces for chemicals at Rock bottom price. This gives the advrage nightmare mode cyberpunk all the tools they would ever need to do anything… To fight back or go on the attack or live free in-between the cracks of the old world when the new world steam rolled over it.
If your really that sick of it all just go the techrejecter route and start building and deploying EMPs. Suites me just fine, chaos gives me more room to operate.
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No.54684
>>54666
>Donald Trump.
God bless that man. Thank you for the tax savings and shutting down the useless eaters at Buzzfeed. For that alone he has my next vote.
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No.54690
>>54684
>making the tax code more complicated
>good
>>54666
nice try satan
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No.54698
>>54680
If you actually look into the reported upon hate attacks, you can find that later investigation has resulted in findings that the supposed victims often created the attacks themselves, for attention, for money(patreon, donations, etc), and for exposure. Of course, as the old saying goes, A lie makes its way halfway around the world before the truth has even put its' pants on. And in true modern media fashion, there are no retractions issued, no apologies made, no admission of guilt. A thousand outlets report on the supposed hate crime and maybe twelve report on the eventual findings that it was all a hoax.
You're a fucking blind fool if you're too stupid to look into it and just believe it because MUH WACISS TWUMP NARWATIVE.
Cowards like you are the reason liberals are voting for conservative politicians in record numbers. "Question everything" turned into "Believe the victim". "Fuck the status quo" turned into "only if it's against ultra-progressivism".
The political left is dying and you have only your own stupidity to blame. Fuck team sports.
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No.54701
>>54342
>allowing hordes of middle aged health-risk sub 70 IQ goblins entering high-tek zones
Too much /pol/ade,try to shape your world view based on actual realities, and not black-and-white strawmen that are easy to construct.
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No.54703
>>54698
I'm talking about real hate crimes - murders and terrorist attacks - not Jussie Smollet-type of "attacks". People like the guy who sent pipe bombs to Trump opponents.
And as I said, it's not just Trump. It's not like it was all nice and colorful until Trump came - the current political climate both in the US and in Europe was influenced by years of recession, bad politics, rising inequalities and open borders. The problem is that politicians that promised solutions (Trump, Orban, both May and Corbyn in the UK, etc.) are fucking terrible. Trump is extremely self-centered and in most cases it seems like he doesn't really know what he's doing and now he embraces some policies just to appease right-wing media that he listens to and watches. His tweets and statements really inspire some deranged lunatics to commit acts of violence.
Are there people like that on the other side of the fence? Sure there are. Radical feminists, "activists" and, as you said, people that fake attacks for publicity should be persecuted when they break the law.
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No.54704
>>54703
>People like the guy who sent pipe bombs to Trump opponents.
you don't know they were all fake too right? like literally never heard from again.
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No.54705
>>54703
>Trump is extremely self-centered
confident alpha males are like that. and definitely more alpha than you will ever be bootlicker. he was elected exactly because he had those traits and was not a senile grandma.
> and in most cases it seems like he doesn't really know what he's doing
that is exactly what he wants idiots to think. congrats on winning the prize.
> and now he embraces some policies just to appease right-wing media that he listens to and watches.
his election was a mandate to bring those policies about. all you do is fucking whine about labels and alpha males. maybe you should change sex and sell blow jobs for a living you may find it more satisfying.
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No.54706
>>54703
>Radical feminists, "activists" and, as you said, people that fake attacks for publicity should be persecuted when they break the law.
those types should be imprisoned prima facie for merely existing. or sent to work camps. hard labor is a very effective attitude adjuster.
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No.54707
>>54703
>are fucking terrible
yet gained the biggest stock market and job creation gains in history. I think your definitions of fucking terrible are stupid beyond belief.
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No.54708
>>54701
>try to shape your world view based on actual realities
He's not wrong though, maybe only in that actual leftist scum is even worse.
>>54706
>imprisoned
And paid for? Fucking no, unless by "imprisoned" you mean "locked up to starve to death, preferably by being buried alive".
>hard labor is a very effective attitude adjuster.
It's not, it'll only make more of them whine and shit. You kill every one of them the most violent way possible and remove any traces of their existence except for the memory of what will happen if someone becomes as lowly, degenerate and disgusting as leftist.
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No.54719
>>54701
Try coming up with an actual argument instead of an ad hominem, everything that he said was the truth.
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No.54902
>>54326
>>Far-left socialist… multinational corporations?
>Yes, at least that seems to be the case with big tech and media corporations. They primarily bias a hard left narrative. Anything contrarion is derezzed or surpressed.
Not a chance. There is no meaningful policy discussion at all going on. The vast majority are obsessed hyper-niche issues like gay marriage which involves less than 5% of people, abortion, gender identity, and racism. Both major political parties take absolutely non-sensical approaches issues.
< Government Funded Health care is bad b/c muh commmunism, the us will be venezuala.
< The government should stay out of peoples moral lives meanwhile Gay Marriage violates muh religious liberty (or brings hurricanes)
< Birth Control should be unavailable, meanwhile lets rapidly inflate the number of abortions people are getting to make abortion should like birth control because we just can't face the reality that people are going to have sex
< Refugees and Mexicans are the source of the problems in society!
< White people are all racist, and can't genueinely lead civil rights movements, but are "allies" who should "make space" and "listen" at best, and at worst, should actively be removed.
< No one can know how I have been victimized from whatever bizzare identity I have create, and I am entitled to special privilege because of that.
Republicans insist on going back to the 1950s "when America was Great" but rage about unions.
Structural Issues and cultural problems like the increasingly useless work force we have, the lack of education, obesity, the already wide gap between rich and poor, foreign policy questions about the emergence of new economic powers and their place in the world are not meaningfully discussed, and the winning presidential campaign was literally "build a wall between the US and Mexico to stop illict traffic, even though most illict traffic comes through ports of entry, and the cartels are famous for DIGGING MILES OF UNDERGROUND TUNNEL".
It would be comical if it wasn't so sad. We are literally arguing about a wall instead of fixing climate change.
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No.54907
>>54902
>and the winning presidential campaign was literally "build a wall between the US and Mexico to stop illict traffic, even though most illict traffic comes through ports of entry, and the cartels are famous for DIGGING MILES OF UNDERGROUND TUNNEL".
>It would be comical if it wasn't so sad. We are literally arguing about a wall instead of fixing climate change.
Ironically every 2020 candidate except the campaign is a complete 180
>"just make everything illegal and we can stop the climate change!!!"
i have a feeling we are going to start pouring poweraid on the plants because they crave electrolytes soon.
Real climate change solutions focus on revitalizing infrastructure to increase efficiency and de-incentivize wasteful habits, not memes about "JUST MAKE ALL THE PLANES/CARS/BAD STUFF ILLEGAL111111"
From reading research over the last few decades, our problems are going to get much worse. it does not matter what your political beliefs are when people start coming in by the thousands because they have no more homes, jobs, or food and water. The environment cannot support 10-15 billion people sustainably, and industrialized food production only prolongs the inevitable collapse by allowing more people to be born into a world where people can't stop fucking. Clean drinking water and fish supplies (one of the largest food sources for people around the world) are going to go first, and then millions of climate migrants/refugees are going to flood and overwhelm the infrastructure of first world countries until everything falls apart. The best concrete estimates we have for climate wars to start range from 15-20 years from now.
But hey, the new Iphone looks great amiright guise?
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No.55988
this thread makes the case for user id's so you can 86 the shazbots ffs.
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No.55992
>>55988
>user id's
FUCKING THIS
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No.55993
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No.55996
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>54321
Seconded, sadly. Never knew how much of a cuck Gibson is, especially obvious from his salty comment on President Reagan. I’d like to see him go on a similar tirade against Bill Clinton & Barack Obama. How much worse wasn’t it under their presidencies? The Orwellian surveillance and the recent political correctness going completely off the rails… That’s the stuff of Cyberpunk horror.
Are there any examples of good non-pozzed Cyberpunk? Outlaws struggling against a totalitarian gov’ment in a society where surveillance and political correctness are just as much a factor as corrupt politicians and censor-happy mega-corporations?
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No.56001
>>55996
>Are there any examples of good non-pozzed Cyberpunk
It's an inherently post-modernist genre, so you're shit out of luck.
Try looking into postcyberpunk though.
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No.56039
>>54641
>but also more radical
It was bound to happen when even the most softy right wing guy gets tagged as a nazi. At some point they stopped giving a fuck and went all out
And it worked
>It's been discussed to death
Not really, the entire leftard spectrum is in a state of denial about magafags being the new counterculture
>>54644
No brouzouf, no actual support. Fatso just has "fuckyou brouzouf" meaning he can say whatever the fuck he wants. In the middle of gamergate he invited anita shekelsian to his mansion.
>>54661
>We are 'The Man' now, and that's good!"
Thats what the term "sellout" is about but millenials and zoomerfags now dont even know what that means and even think the more sellout an artist is the better he must be because "look at all the logos in his concerts!"
Smh
>>54666
>implying trump didnt 4D chess all those yokels into voting for him by pretending to care about them
Dude pulled the biggest scam ever, hats off for that.
>Robert Mercer
Dumb fuck fell for the trump scam, gave a hand to the brexit at best and he got fucked out of his company for that. Compare that to soros openly financing femen, antifa and the refugee ferry boats in europe, or the entire left giving brouzouf and support to the radicals on their side.
>Peter Thiel is more libertarian than alt-right
Exactly, he's also a gay immigrant so doubt he will be welcome with open arms.
>And I think it was Andressen (from a16z venture capitalist fund) who defended Milo Yiannopoluos on Twitter is generally anti-lefty.
SOURCE
>Alt-right public speakers are petty and childish so I can understand why they don't have that much support.
They are as much shit as the leftard ones, in fact they have to be to counter the shit flinging contest that media politics have become. The difference is that if I give one million to an alt-left rag like mother jones nobody cares, not negatively, will even give me clout within the cuckerati. But if I give a million to an alt-right rag like the daily stormer then my life is fucking over
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No.56046
>>56001
> post-modernist genre
get this shazbot shit out of here we just like cyber guns u fucking retard
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No.56048
>>56046
>we just like cyber guns
That's exactly why I mentioned postcyberpunk.
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No.56156
https://www.fondriest.com/news/dissecting-amazon-rainforest-cloud-formation.htm
Guerilla ecology idea, no idea of the feasibility, but…
Try setting up a device that manufactures hydroxyl radicals, and then sprays them into the air. Set it up so wind currents will usually waft your hydroxylizer’s output over landfill and farm spaces to help break down methane and other pollutants.
Do hydroxyl radicals contribute to cloud formation? If so, doing this might even reduce drought effects stemming from global warming. But getting more out of it than just making a local area stink less would require either that people build hydroxylizers en masse, or that the resources of a nationstate/megacorporation lined up behind the idea.
If cyberpunk is now, we need to move our street chemistry past street drugs and on into rebelling against a filthy society in danger of its own extinction.
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No.56160
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>>54313
>I think we still have two to three years to a full dystopian society.
depends are where you live. XianJiang is already there.
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No.56161
>>54332
wow. notice the "vitasoy" advert? very cyber
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No.56163
Nrmf, hm, zzz… zzfrm hum try mixing hydrocarbon fumes with hydroxyl at the point of… propulsion… cloud cover machine… zzz…
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No.56166
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No.56175
"We're living in a science fiction story written by idiots in the 20th century"
-Dagger guy
I thought he was pretty on-point.
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No.56179
>>56175
Well, it seems those 20th century idiots were right. Maybe they weren't idiots after all.
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No.56353
>>55996
>Are there any examples of good non-pozzed Cyberpunk? Outlaws struggling against a totalitarian gov’ment in a society where surveillance and political correctness are just as much a factor as corrupt politicians and censor-happy mega-corporations?
I suspect anime might have stories you would enjoy. Some aspects of *Ergo Proxy* might intrigue you.
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No.56377
>>56353
Ergo Proxy is a huge steaming pile of pretentious bullshit and teenage angst
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