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No.51769
The modern megacorp trend is to get you on a daily/weekly/monthly payment plan for X service. A good way to dangle the carrot and keep the proles spinning the wheels of commerce. Only to have access to the cloud services, be they: computing power, media libraries, comms, banking, deliveries of goods etc, you must be in constant employ and of good repute. Naturally, you'll have less time to even use the cloud services you sweat for.
To rule you need control, and that means to limit the potential of the citizenry. To "moderate" it to use the megacorps' equivocation. We already have limited access to fuel, electricity, mbps, and next I think computing power. If you don't pay the $34.95/month (vid related) you go stone age.
Is this far fetched? If you consider the normie, and the tech they use, or even yearn for, you see most are content with a smartphone, tablet or lightweight laptop. That's where the demand is. I still don't see the future demand for large production/gaming level systems that may or may not be futureproofed, over the immediacy of cloud computing with lightweight hardware. The affordable monthly fee certainly suits this austere economy better than a $1200+ up front PC build.
So if you plan on needing the PC power, and the hands on access in order to mod/fix your own gear, better get it while you can. I'm just not seeing it around forever without a normie-tier economic demand. Fight the cloud, keep processing power in the hands of the people!
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No.51770
>>51769
>I still don't see the future demand for large production/gaming level systems that may or may not be future-proofed, over the immediacy of cloud computing with lightweight hardware
*guaranteed future-proofing, and tech support.
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No.51775
>>51769
>To rule you need control
Companies are trying to push SaaS, to rule, to control and to charge a continuous small fee, that reminds the customer to remain loyal to the company and it's product.
>Is this far fetched?
No, I've been in companies who push this shit when it's clearly not a good idea for the security minded customers but they have dollar symbols in their eyes.
>>51770
Let me fix that for you:
*guaranteed future-proofing until we decide to turn it off in a months notice even though it's still functional, and tech support that's outsourced to grumpy, retarded indians who don't know the product or the systems, only the policy to use to beat the customer over the head with for a small, monthly fee.
This is the second thread about shit that's more current events/been happening for 10+ years. Did m_bishop bring his redditors here already? or is this normalfaggotry bishop himself?
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No.51776
"Stone age" might be not as bad as you think.
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No.51777
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>>51769
You are needlessly alarmist.
a) Cloud™ has serious (and unsolvable) technological limitations (low bandwith, lag, unreliability and security issues) that make it useless for any serious task.
Several companies tried to bring cloud computing to consumer market and failed in pretty much the same way: system somewhat works in prototype stage, but shit goes downhill very fast when they try to scale it up.
Vid related.
b) Hardware manufacturers like brouzouf too, and consumer market is a pie too big to ignore.
c) "Normies" are not important. They didn't want a computer in the past, and they don't one now. Nothing changed.
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No.51778
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No.51779
>>51777
>that make it useless for any serious task.
Someone should tell that to aws, google cloud, digital ocean, and the hundreds of other cloud SaaS and the thousands of sites and companies that use them for their products that are in use by consumers. CDN's, load balancing servers, rendering farms, cloudflare clones, vpns, etc.
Can you define "serious task"? Is rendering terabytes of 3d animation or serving millions of people content per day not serious tasks? It's not just professionals using these things, hobbyists use them too now.
Stop getting your tech news from youtube, it's like getting current affairs from facebook. SaaS tech is not great for real time shit because of the bw and latency issues, this is true, but there are lots of other "serious tasks" that can be done a lot faster by servers than my laptop or pc.
And to clear this up, because it looks like it needs to be, "cloud" is just marketing buzz word for someone else's servers, it's not future tech and it's not impossible, everyone here is using it and it works, just not some of the real time shit, what's important are the SaaS like rendering farms, distributed CDN's, cloudfare like services, vpns, etc. When you start talking seriously about "cloud" servers, you sound like you don't know what you're talking about.
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No.51781
>>51777
This guy cumulo-nimbuses.
>>51779
Using cloud-based render farms are useful for set and forget when you don't have the gigatons of nVidia to get it done in a reasonable timespan yourself. All of that scene data is chilling on the farm while it chugs, so the bandwidth latency issue doesn't come up.
Also how will the Gentoo crowd minmax their autism powerlevels if every machine is homogeneously in the sky.
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No.51782
>>51779
Well, I assume we are talking about consumer market and the possibility of Computer as a Service completely replacing desktops here.
And what are desktops used for? Low latency high bandwidth stuff for the most part.
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No.51790
>>51776
related question:
if i get a job as an EMT, could I just switch to a brick phone and just give them my number? Are there any things i would actually need a smartphone for?
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No.51793
>>51790
If there is equipment your employers needs you to have for you to do your job then it's up to them to provide it.
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No.51794
>>51781
>Also how will the Gentoo crowd minmax their autism powerlevels if every machine is homogeneously in the sky.
They'll have to get jobs as datacentre commissioners/sysadmins or learn to hack up their computers. Avoid the servers, or do what we do now, avoid the servers until we need them but keep activities compartmentalized if possible, something I'm not doing so well, but I've started keeping one computer offline.
I could be wrong, but I don't think "homogeneously" is the right word, it's more "symbiotically, and partially in the sky", as the computers are different from the servers, there are different types of servers, the computers might be homogeneous at some point, but the computer you interface with won't be in the sky, the servers are. The computers will have computing power, will have attack surface, will be hack-able/modifiable.
>>51782
>Well, I assume we are talking about consumer market and the possibility of Computer as a Service completely replacing desktops here
You're talking about "dumb" terminals, we tried that, it's shit for a number of reasons, we're moving to hybrid terminals I guess you could call them, I don't think we're going back to dumb terminals, it doesn't make sense until we have instant internet, something like using pair electrons as medium. Why do you think they make web frameworks that render and route pages in the user's browser and bloat your browser even more than seems to make sense? Moving desktop to the "cloud" isn't what SaaS is, SaaS is offloading some of your computing tasks to a server or set of servers, you/they still want user's computer doing work, to distribute the tasks/load, which is in line with the thinking behind the cloud buzz. distributed computing. and of course it has the added benefit of the company providing SaaS being able to observe the data to "provide better service", and to completely own their product and charge you with rental fee per month/week/usage and cut you off if your a bold goy
>>51790
>>51793
We have a phone thread in the catalog here: >>15933 They cover some alternatives, workarounds and projects. Might give you an idea, I agree with >>51793 work might require you to use a specific app, but again in the other thread suggests you can get a librem phone or linux phone if you just need to use webapps.
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No.51796
>>51794
>You're talking about "dumb" terminals
Well, more like thin clients, which indeed do fair amount of computation on their side.
Though, OP's video is about literal virtual machine in the datacenter to which you only have remote desktop access to.
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No.51797
>>51796
like you pointed out here: >>51777 if everyone's on a thin client, like in OP, it's not going to work with how the internet is setup. And I kind of parroted you here: >>51794 we need ultra fast, very low latency network. Like harnessing how pair electrons work.
I just didn't agree with
>that make it useless for any serious task.
Because on a thin client you can still do work, it has computing power, it read like you were talking about the client being cucked hard to be a "dumb" client.
Hypothetically, if we had the network, and this nightmare comes to be, like I said here >>51794 with a thin or hybrid or rich client, you will have computing power and you will be able to hack it.
Again you pointed out in >>51777 they like money, and people have and will complain about not being able to fuck with their hardware… but we live in a world with iphones and ime, sooo, maybe we going to be living in this nightmare world. But then again computers without backdoors that we know of are being invested in more because of ime and the other backdoors and iphone has serious competitors who aren't as bad for gimping the tech with software updates.
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No.51860
>haha, it's so silly and unrealistic how in Shadowrun games there are illegal computers and programs!
>it certainly can't happen in real life, right?
R-right?
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No.51870
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No.51871
>>51870
>inb4 Win 7 in 2020
>inb4 Win at all
Still a big deal, the biggest OS switching to SaaS
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No.51874
>>51870
HAHAHAHHAHAHHA
OY FUCKING VEY!!
microshit are also dipping their dirty little paws into linux foundation.
We'll all be on templeos hooked up to radios, messaging via bbs.
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No.51876
>>51870
Hahahhholy shit. Your OS is now a utility bill. Gatesnerds are fucked.
Penguin supreme empire.
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No.51877
>>51876
poetering and windows are shitting up linux, you'll be joining us on templeos with the rest of the normalfaggots. Better start developing for it, it's still rough around the edges.
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No.51878
>>51874
>microshit are also dipping their dirty little paws into linux foundation.
They bought github recently too.
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No.51895
The singularity is here, it's just Bill Gates' balls
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No.52039
>>51878
Linux looks like it might kill itself on its own at this point.
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No.52041
I actually don't mind the cloud meme so much. If it means I can ignore data-loss from hardware failures, and all it takes is a little encryption/decryption when putting data there, that's fine by me. I'm still waiting on an easy-to-use distributed computing environment though. Spark a shit, TensorFlow a shit, Torch is bloated, I just want a magic "I can build that for the cloud!" compiler.
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No.52044
>>52041
There are definitely advantages, but the main problem is that you're giving all the data you store on the cloud to someone you've never met, and they can and will use it to screw you if they want.
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No.52057
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