/cyber/ - Cyberpunk & Science Fiction

Let's see..

-Knowing how to solder.

-Assembling Computer Hardware

-Diagnostic of computer hardware.

-Programmation knowledge on both Hardware and Software tiers.

-Networks (How they work, how they are prepared, how to troubleshoot them.

-Cybersecurity (How to defend yourself against cyber attacks, how to make cyberattacks, how to hide your identity in the virtual world)

-Martial arts (Enought to not get your ass kicked by that fake-ass gangsta down the street)

-Knowing how to read schematics, how electricity works (Aka avoid getting your prototype fried)

-Programming FPGA's, ROM chips, embedded stuff, you name it.

Those are the basics to me. Of course, I'd like to point out that the regular Cyberpunk/Cyberpunkette doesn't need to be M45T3R L33T H4X0R, it just helps a lot, take Deckard for example, he is not a hacker.

But of course, Cyberpunk is not only about electronics and computing, it is much more complex.

you may get even deeper with:

-Politics

-Firearms handling and maintenance (Trigger discipline edition)

-Homebrew Firearms and ammunition production.

-Scientific knowledge (Maths, Physics, etc…)

-Social Engineering, the art of using someone else to your advantage.

-Lockpicking

-Possibly everything that may help you live without being hooked to the Corps.

-Knowledge of culture in general.

there may of course be more, but this is all I can think ATM.

>>47182

If there will be a cyberpunk future, then there will be a lot of cyberpunks with minimal skills.

The scary thing is that the future might be a dystopia with no cyberpunk freedom. The future might be a resurgence of government repression. The UK, China, and other countries might all set up GreatFirewalls to eliminate freedom of speech and privacy.

We might end up with a totalitarian nightmare where teenage punks get summarily executed as soon as they get in trouble with the Central Secret Police for the first time.

>>47185

That's about what I expected, nice list though. What about general mechanical skills? Is that cyberpunkish? Like fixing your own car and stuff or does that fall more into a steampunk like aesthetic?

I would like to add wireless communication knowledge like radio is definitely a must have. How much academic knowledge(math/science) do you recommend? I imagine physics will beat out biology every time right?

>>47187

>If there will be a cyberpunk future, then there will be a lot of cyberpunks with minimal skills

Hence the point of this thread. I'm trying to see if we can get a list going so that future cyberpunk citizens can follow.

>>47185

Don't forget:

- Parkour (for fleeing and moving efficiently without a noisy vehicle across difficult terrain)

- Hunting (helps with firearm skills as well as tracking and tailing; tasty game being a bonus)

- Sneaking (for meatspace intrusion)

In general, I advise to hone meatspace skills as well as cyberspace skills. Keeps morale high.

>-Programmation knowledge

French right?

>>47190

Yeah, right chummer

>>47189

You're right, I forgot how meatspace skills are crucial.

>>47188

Yep, Mechanics count, because they will come handy into DIY field, maintenance, etc. This is also somehow a way to avoid being a slave to the corps.

Comm. Knowledge is also required, because you will need to setup ways to communicate with others chummers without being tracked.

For academic knowledge, I can't really teel you, let's say you don't need to be a rocket scientist, but you should not be on the most basic levels. Intermediate would be great.

While the idea of "cyberpunk" immediately conjures high-tech, I would say that avoiding many "modern" lifestyle elements is just as important. Learning how to efficiently use one's own body. Martial arts and Parkour were already suggested, but nutrition should be important too. Good eating habits will maximize energy, and you'll avoid eating junk and sustaining the corps that way. Same thing goes for many hygiene related things.

On a related note, being able to adapt to your environment wherever you are and to be prepared to meet it's challenges is also a good skill to have, cyberpunk or not, but especially in poentially hostile environments and situations. Having a lightweight "survival kit" with perhaps a warm unobtrusive blanket and a good poncho can be life savers. Same for a knife, and perhaps some rope. The most versatile tools are the best against overspecialized ones.

Training one's sense of direction is also important.

Physics was already mentioned. I think it's good to have a knowledge of materials to know their limitations and potential uses. Whether it's concrete, wire, plywood. Knowing the workings of the technologies that surround you too. If you're exploring subway tunnels (for example) this kind of knowledge shall be invaluable. Same for abandoned buildings and the like.

Do you think a knowledge of less-glamorous things is valuable? Plumbing, for example? I am inclined to say it is. You know electronics, vehicle mechanics, and lockpicking. By the same token, knowing how to fix a leak, or fix a wall can be helpful, depending on your situation. If you want to be somewhat self-sufficient, then you'll want to know this.

What it bils down to, in the end, is stop paying too much attention to your computers and your internets and be aware of the physical world you inhabit

tl;dr know thyself and your surroundings

>>47198

More like learn how to do as much stuff as possible without help.

Quality advice right there.

>>47182

avoid contributing to/depending on the corps

to be truly cyberpunk you must have some knowledge of technology even if you're not a software engineer. The world is full of computers/electronics. We are dependent on it, so know how it works.

My recomendations:

Python - it's easy to get into

Linux - most websites/cloud providers run linux servers. something like 80% of them

Networking

Youtube tutorials and personal projects worked better than textbooks and online moocs for me. Check out draps python tutorials and tutorialinux on youtube. Both worked well for me. Haven't started networking,, but it's next on my list

use this knowledge to stop relying on the corps (google, microsoft, etc) and build your own infrastructure. Host your own cloud storage or something so you don't need Amazon/Google Drive.

use this knowledge to avoid producing valuable information for others to track your every move and avoid having your attention split by the ads in most of the services people use now. overstimulation makes one stupid.

be a technologist without the relying on the corps

know basic electronics: be able to read schematics, solder, fix old TV's

and appliances. Make a smarthome/diy home security system or something

Beyond technology:

Martial Arts: mma, boxing, wrestling, muay thai/kickboxing, BJJ are all us

eful. don't (humble)brag about it or try to assert your social dominance over others because of it. You end up looking like a jack ass (speaking on personal experience). Only use it when necessary

Know how to use a gun, knife, other weapons

social engineering

lockpicking

>>47189 sounds good, too. Never did parkour or sneaking, but those seem like good skills

cook your own food. eat heathly

exercise. calisthenics are pretty cool i.e. muscle ups, front levers. no expensive gym membership you won't actually use, and it looks bad ass

meditate. not exactly cyber, but helps one see through the bullshit(see overstimulation)

dress well: minimalist, form following function works for me. goretex shell, dark pants, plain t-shirts. lots of pockets, spread out your cash.

know how to walk down a street without bringing attention to yourself or looking like a target

can't think of anything else now. Don't try to learn/change everything at once. add a new thing every month or so. In less than a year, you'll be a much better person (again speaking from experience)

any thoughts?

>>47201

On that note, learn to work with less.

When you end up in some poor part in a 10m² room, you may not have enough room for a proper kitchen or lots of devices and tools.

Keep it as simple as possible, think of alternative ways to get shit done.

>>47205

shit, nevermind. It's back again. 8chan is kind of fucked up right now i guess. keep getting 502 errors

>>47203

agree. being self sufficient with few possessions makes life much easier. You can get up and leave at any time, survive in a cramped space, and make anywhere home (pod apartment, van, etc)

>>47206

On a slightly OT note, Berlin has a few coffin-hotel-like places for backpackers and low-budget travellers.

It's pretty neat to see hat just going places for fun can be cheap if you can make sacrifices. Although if you're making a short trip or backpacking, odds are you'll use the hotel for hygiene and sleeping only anyway.

Speaking of which, go backpacking, learn to improvise and learn to talk to people. Read maps, learn to find your way 'round unknown places. It's amazing what kind of instincts you can develop regarding city structure, social groups and public transit if you visit lots of places.

>>47189

>- Parkour (for fleeing and moving efficiently without a noisy vehicle across difficult terrain)

>- Hunting (helps with firearm skills as well as tracking and tailing; tasty game being a bonus)

>- Sneaking (for meatspace intrusion)

Nice wishlist.

How many people who actually post here actually do parkour?

Now, how many people actually do both parkour and hunting?

(Do you all live in the USA? I can't hunt anywhere that I can afford to go in Asia.)

Now how many people practice sneaking in an adversarial environment? If you just walk around and you think you're quiet, you can tell yourself that you're sneaky. How many people actually practice sneak skills in high-pressure situations? Are you sneaking a bag of drugs past your high school teacher? Are you sneaking brouzouf out of your mom's purse? Or are you sneaking away from the scene of an aggravated assault while a cop is looking for you?

It's very easy to deceive yourself into thinking that you are skilled. It's much harder to prove worthwhile skills in real life.

>>47182

The same skill you need right now.

Which is the ones I'll bet most of you don't have, and don't want to talk about.

Social skills are important. If you can't make friends, you're going to be the first guy robbed and beaten on your street, because no one is looking out for you.

You'll be the first to starve, because no one gives a shit enough to point you to cheap or free food when it's around.

You'll also need job skills. Just because there are no jobs, doesn't mean there won't be work to do. If you want to make it in the haves/have-not economy, you'd better be as diverse as a day labourer and have a network pointing at you when someone asks around for workers.

Things aren't going to go to hell all at once. It's just going to be rising unemployment, and people who are good at living outside a real economy will get by, and people who practiced running around in the dark pretending they're on secret ninja missions will just be those weirdos no one talks to, and no one helps, who eventually get an anonymous beat down that no one gives a shit about.

>>47226

You're assuming the extreme on all of these. I never meant be a world class

expert on all of them at the same time. Just get good at one or two things you

enjoy/have natural aptitude for, and get your feet wet with the rest.

>Basic electronics? I could pass a freshman college EE course without trying

>hard, but I doubt that I could make something worth mentioning on hackaday.

You don't need to be worth mentioning, be able to make a motion sensor alarm or

something similar.

>Martial arts? Okay, sure. I've been in fights and I've trained a little. I've

>been in enough fights to know that I am better off avoiding them, and I've won

>enough fights to know that I won because I didn't fight fair, not because I'm

>skilled.

that's enough too. I trained at an mma gym for a couple years, and I'm not

that great at it. I know what being hit feels like and how to hit back.

You don't have to be the biggest bad ass in the bar or in the UFC. You don't

need to master every discipline I listed, they are just the ones I know are

effective in a real fight.

Same with weapons. It's not hard to go to a gun range and rent a gun, or take

a gun safety class. It's good to know how to load/aim/not shoot anyone on

accident. You don't need to murder people and it doesn't take a navy seal to

do that. Just be familiar.

Sure social engineering is a bit of a meme and I don't really know shit about

it . Fair enough, you caught me. Physical pentesting is a job where it is used

in real life, though.

lockpicking isn't that hard. I do it 15 minutes a day, and can get past some

security pinned locks.

It doesn't take a genious or inhuman amounts of time/practice/training to be

familiar with all the stuff I listed. I don't do everything there but

I've done most things a little bit and a couple a lot. If you don't spend all

your free time on message boards, jerking off, and watching tv you can get a

lot done

>>47182

I would say shit like agriculture, aquaculture, and embedded programming. Who knows what the gov has infected.

I'm trying to save up enough brouzouf to get a water distiller so I know for sure my water is clean

>>47230

I am genuinely impressed that you have done more with lockpicking than I ever have. I don't even know what a ds1990 key is, but the search engines suggest it might be an electronic key.

As for nonlethals, they are useful in some specialized situations. It depends strongly on the attitudes of your local police. If the local police think that punks with pepper spray are legitimate targets for arrest, then you're better off without them.

Getting /fit/ is a lot of work and I don't blame you for not getting it all done. We're all going to make it … eventually … but it take a long time and a lot of boring food like green, leafy vegetables and lentils and milk.

>lockpicking isn't that hard. I do it 15 minutes a day, and can get past some

security pinned locks.

Possibly my Internet-induced autism has ravaged my manual dexterity. Or maybe I'm just clumsy.

Part of lockpicking is just getting the damn thing to open, but the harder part is finding locks that can be examined/explored/opened without being in plain view of security cameras. Where I live there are security cameras everywhere, and they are not easily confused like the ones in video games. They have human security guards reviewing their footage.

Been away for a while. How's the roleplaying going guys? You still LARPing?

>>47416

>How's the roleplaying going guys? You still LARPing?

suddenly /CYBER/ makes sense! This is all a LARP site, isn't it?

>>47415

That or kendo.

>>47415

>cyberpunk martial art

Just choose one:

https://www.cyberpunk2020.de/2007/08/13/master-martial-arts-list-for-cyberpunk-2020/

>>47226

You are a douche or a troll. Or both.

Then again, it is quite possible that you are just reading things that are just ridiculous to you in your personal experience, in the realm you yourself consider reality.

I will be happy to show you to a seat and prove points to you that you have never imagined at your pleasure.

All your confusions will be cleared.

>>47201

>know basic electronics: be able to read schematics, solder, fix old TV's and appliances

This is useless knowledge in 2017.

t. repairs white goods almost daily

>>47210

Underrated

I think a much better way to phrase this is what are cyberpunk hobbies? Because saying cyberpunk skills suggests some kind of functional requirement for these skills exist, but there will not be a reality that requires most people to be able to become simultaneously (or even individually) an electrical engineer, repair technician, ninja, nutritionist, lock smith, and cyber security expert. The kind of skills listed here are as they are of course for the larping some kind of resistance fighter. Which is unfortunate, because they are all dope ass hobbies to have independant of some kind of fantasy of fighting 'the corps'.

The irony is that becoming a nutritionist will absolutely not help fight 'the corps' anyway, bc who are you going to be buying that well balenced diet from anyway? Economies of scale mandate 'the corps'.

My current cyberpunk hobbies are BJJ and electronics. But, pretty much everything listed here is intresting.

Also, we should probably all learn Chinese.

>>49637

I like this idea of learning chinese, I'm just currently lost on where to learn to read/write the shit. Korean, from a bit of experience, is a bit easier to learn.

>>47230

Noice picks, chummer. My experience with lockpicking has been cheap bike locks.

>>47185

I wanna live with all these knowledge, it's a long way to get there. Do you think that 8 years is enough to make it possible?

>>49887

19 yo, first college year. Computer engineer.

>>49886

>Pic related is a long read, but it explains why you don't want to.

but it doesn't thouugh. Its just a rant about why chinese people are bad. Apparently, this individual is both a material scientist and has a degree in chinese which strikes me as unlikely, but who cares about his story anyway.

Right now, there are electronics forums that pubish content in chinese only.

Right now, if you are supposed to read it, it is ultimately translated to english, but anything you are not supposed to read remains in chinese. I want access to that information.

Also, the legitimate future is chinese equally.

>>47182

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BgXYPLiIzw

Tecnology and sciencie

- Programming, assembler, C, C++, Python, Ruby, HTML, php, SQL, Javascript, etc

- English and some European language (French, German, Russian) or Asian (Chinese, Japanese, koreano)

- Electronic

- Mechanical

- Linux

- Computer security

- Networks

- Systems

- Inverse engineering

- Carding and bins

- Mathematical

- Physical

- Chemical

- Basic medicine and anatonomia

- lockping

- criptography

- plumbing

- joinery

- Architecture

- Basic computation and outpost

- Bloackchain and criptocurrencys

- Machinelearning and virtual reality

- Nanotechnology and biohacking

- Robotics

- Arduino

- Rasperry Pi

- Any thing not to depend on corps

Physical and mental health

- Social abilities

- To know corporal language

- To learn Morse and language of signs (optional)

- Psychology

- First aid

- Some martial art

- Parkour

- Exercise generally

- To have a good feeding

- To meditate

- To be spiritually healthy

- To adapt to the change

- To get dressed well

- To have good hygiene

Others

- Political

- History

- Laws

- General culture

- Language

- To know how to use knife and firearms

- Social engineering

- Any thing that allows you to have knowledge generally

These knowledge are used for the day to day and we help for the years that come

>>47187

that movie was pretty cool

>>50392

Try assembling a team with different skillsets (meet them in >>>/meadhall/).

One woodwork/metallergy, one hardware and software, one /k/ and transport, and one artist/writer/runner.

>>47226

Here is a few test for the "4th R31CH":

0. Learn to use Arch Linux with BTRFS and make cipher scripts in Python/JS/C

1. Build your own Ergodox from PCB soldering and make an Arduino spy cam

2. Workout in crossfit for a year (or at the very least pull a Saitama everyday)

3. Learn to shoot guns in a shooting range, and know the standard practice

4. Just read basic /pol/ guides and try infiltrate a /leftypol/ Discord/IRC

5. Lockpick a new lock you bought for yourself in case of "Day of the Rope"

If we could put our heads together we can go to >>>/school/ and write something up.

>>50652

I ain't writing your shit /pol/ manifesto for you.

Your delusions of the "4th Reich" won't change the fact that the future is shaped by corrupt governments and megacorps.

We are already there, it's getting worse and your Führer isn't coming back to save you. Neither are extremist parties (be it left or right) for that matter.

The market will continue to be dominated by cheap workers from around the world, there's no way to resist it without fucking up your country's economy.

You're merely another drone in denial. Fall in line with your peers and the wageslaves and pretend everything will be fine.

>>50694

Then why rebel? /cyber/ should be gone, as everyone here IS in denial that the black market is going away, and megacorps takes full control…

Or do you want to fight? If you fight alone you might as well say you are with Jordan B Peterson.

>>50708

>chummer says he's not supporting your Hitler fetish

>that must mean he doesn't want to fight

This has to be bait.

>>50722

The lack of recognition of "the red pill" leads you to the idea that fighting back requires the destruction of economy and the people as a group, instead of establishing EITHER a free market, which requires the continuous breaking of old giants and other groups, OR a fascist society that bypasses the functions of the economy in favor of the needs of the people as a group.

The destruction of both entities leads to an egoistic mindset which is relatively hard to uphold unless you are full /k/.

>>>/leftypol/ in short claims that the ego, the economy AND the people as a group must be destroyed, which creates a lack of structure, and leads to vulnerabilities, that makes East Asia and its allies with the Belt and Road the new powerhouse, usurping a new generation Imperial China, India and Arabia that has no regard to western value, whilst cherishing on their technological advancement.

>>50739

*new generation of

>>50739

>Arabia

??? I don't remember it being a country

>>50739

>Arabia

>any kind of technological advance beyond aerodynamic rocks to execute homosexuals

When will you LARPers get it through your thick skulls that Cyberpunk is a genre of science FICTION, not a real life movement or "rebellion"?

>>50747

You're saying as if sci-fi is just lolrandom made-up stuff, but a big part of the genre is about trying to make a valid guess on how scientific progress will impact society and what future will look like.

>>50748

Just because it's speculative, doesn't mean it's real, otherwise it wouldn't have the word fiction in the title. We do not live in a William Gibson book, a movie directed by Ridley Scott, or a video game by CD Projekt Red.

It's extremely unlikely that any sci-fi work will get the future just right. Sure, maybe they'll get certain elements right, but generally our world doesn't look like what 80's Cyberpunk predicted it would, and will not look like how we would predict it today.

Therefore aspiring to be like a character from some cyberpunk universe (which is mostly what this thread is about) is just stupid LARPing.

>>47187

A cyberpunk reality without any of what makes the idea neat

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>>50744

Arbia isn't Saudi Arabia

>>47187

The whole point of cipherpunk is to eliminate that being a problem in the first place by growing out capacity to grey out into society and create new forms of tools to make it possible for others to also.

We need to stop being tor adherrents for instance and start working on the next tor-like entity that is better and more all encompassing than tor could ever be. etc etc. If we aren't doing something like that we are just being stupid and wasting our time larping.

>>50745

Which is the shit for them, imagine bringing FaegDetector9000 to Europe and start doing their thing.

I bet that nobody would bat an eye in the future with CensorMachines as well.

>>50747

>>50748

>>50749

>>50754

The problem with most cyberpunk speculation is that they don't seem to see things in all sides, they don't read right-wing literature to understand why the Orwell Tarpit exists, and how the human mind and group subconscious functions. By not understanding the game rules of life they will all ultimately fail.

Bitcoin hardware wallets and ghost gunners are great though.

>>50780

>Orwell Tarpit

Please elaborate, search engines refused to cooperate.

>>50748

Cyberpunk isn't speculative fiction. Neuromancer is ABOUT the 80s. It's about how the separation between the rich and poor was getting wider, and how, with technology, the poor might not just get stomped on like in former generations.

Gibson wasn't trying to predict the future. He was trying to make a point about the present.

Then these lazy cunts went 'Ohh! Cyber-arms and hacking are SO COOL' and made a fucking cartoon out of it.

Then you dumb cunts tried to live in your little fantasy world instead of doing anything real, ever.

So, yeah, LARP.

>>50783

Orwell Tarpit: "All of humanity likes fascism when it suits them, no matter it is false utopia like Huxley or mass starvation/suffering like Orwell. Fascism in this case refers to a highly effective system to do a certain goal, not necessarily one which favor certain racial, economic or technical group."

>50785

>It's about how the separation between the rich and poor was getting wider

Except life is getting better for everyone in the first world, even if the gap is wide, the minimum amount of wealth is increasing exponentially. Basic economics 101: Wealth is generated by people with skills, not people who asks for welfare but give nothing in return, although they deserve a small cut for the sake of "welfare".

>>50785

>Cyberpunk isn't speculative fiction.

It is, it just deals with shorter time frames.

"20 Minutes into the Future" and all that.

Cyberpunk just became outdated faster than those space novels about rebellion on Mars colony or whatever.

Though, I still think cyberpunk's core ideas hold true, maybe to even greater extent, even if fluff will be different.

>>50807

>>50785

>>50818

>technology will help the poor to get less stomped on

You see, that now just lit a lightbulb in my head. Technology by itself is positive to all humans, but due to human nature, it tends to be negative.

Since poor people usually lack a mindset of wealth creation, they use technology against themselves. The net alone gives us near infinite knowledge, technical and philosophical, instead we use it to give our personal information away for free, and bash people for having an opinion. Hell, even I waste one to three hours of my day on useless phone breaks.

If it was not only about self-destruction, third-parties catalyze this lack of awareness for their own gain.

Being a Nietzschean thinker myself, I think that is why there are two kinds of people, masters and slaves

>>50807

Good info, thanks.

>It's about how the separation between the rich and poor was getting wider

I think this is a major problem in cyberpunk genre, taking a rough oversimplification of it as a basis, as well as focusing only on the wealth and social status of the heroes.

I've managed to actually get some nice discussion on the meaning of the term, right before that thread was ruined by two butthurt larpers. We kinda got to the idea that the "high tech low life" thesis is not appropriate for a genre, being just a description of most common plots of it, as "high tech" is relative, while low life seems like a generalization, and not a very fair one, as it is not the people who are cyberpunk, but the changing world around them, though it is pretty understandable interpretation, whether it was intentionally brought in ahem, leftists, or is just the most easy and straightforward answer. It becomes really disturbing to me today, as it almost looks like an obsession with presenting yourself as a victim, or some kind of group thinking.

We didn't come up with a complete definition, but it seems that the conflict in it revolves more around the problems within a society becoming more serious issue due to technological progress disrupting past status quo preserved by said technological limitations, rather than just an ordinary dystopian setting. For example, the copyright and privacy issues of today easily fit into a cyberpunk setting, while the developement of the printing press and the conflicts about it would also fit the definition and, while not so evidential, resolve around a similar issue.

This is the only consistent definition a can come up with, other than that or some anti-intellectualism and preserving the said status quo, though it still fits the first, broader, definition.

Then there is an issue of post-cyberpunk, where the conflict revolves around social politics more than present and actual problems. It seems to me like a backwards transition into sci-fi, from which idealistic point of view cyberpunk emerged. Sci-fi has to create other conflict as any other broad genre, while cyberpunk allows a setting where it exists more naturally, where the change comes itself and is not a product of some party or individual's decision. This approach allows to make heroes less active, neutral or even passive, while still retaining the conflict, but making them more believable, as well as making the world itself more unique. When this element is taken away, the ready base for the conflict is removed as well, so there needs to be another one for the story to be entertaining, but post cyberpunk still presents itself as cyberpunk, so generally the conflict taken away is not replaced with another one, which explains why it is mostly inferior to its predecessor.

>Except life is getting better for everyone

Well, cyberpunk fiction in general is rather pessimistic, it might be some kind of tradition, though i know some good stuff that is not.

>>50818

Except the pessimism is just too much when compared to today. The only reason people give away their info is to A. volunteering to become a hivemind B. get things for "free". Some falls in B but too many people falls in A on purpose (Google v Damore as an example)

>>50820

>but due to human nature, it tends to be negative

Exactly, which is why "fascism" as a theoretical idea isn't innately bad. "fascism" == discipline of the self and society to fit a goal, whether it is advancement or devolution is another issue entirely.

If you don't see the world as "fascist proper" that implies your world view is bent on many accounts, or simply you are avoiding the basics of human nature and group trends.

>third-parties catalyze this lack of awareness for their own gain

Which is how people gain power in the first place in any time period. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fight_Between_the_Snipe_and_the_Clam https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E8%9E%B3%E8%9E%82%E6%8D%95%E8%9D%89%EF%BC%8C%E9%BB%84%E9%9B%80%E5%9C%A8%E5%90%8E

>>50821

>obsession with presenting yourself as a victim, or some kind of group thinking

victimization removes the responsibility of self-improvement, while group thinking that is non-biological and non-technical devolves into tribalistic chaos.

Biological grouping can co-exist with clear respectable boundaries, and technical groups can organize for collaboration of labor. Modern tribalism of politics and made-up identities are a waste of time.

>technological progress disrupting past status quo preserved by said technological limitations

>where it exists more naturally, where the change comes itself and is not a product of some party or individual's decision

>allows to make heroes less active, neutral or even passive, while still retaining the conflict, but making them more believable

Agreed

>>49886

what if i want to understand cantopop with out 6ing up the lyrics?

>>49886

>Not learning Cantonese instead

Get fucked

Depends on your lifestyle and career path. If you're living at street level, generally being streetwise enough to speak current slang, not look like an outsider, know where to get things, know who the players are, and look scrappy and switched-on enough to make muggers think twice. Also clothes that look like they could conceal weapons, whether they do or not.

More important than parkour would be urban safety skills common to every Noir hero or gunslinger, using shop windows to check behind you, knowing when you're being trailed, never keeping an open drink, always sitting with your back to the wall, noting exits as soon as you walk in.

Any physical self defence skill or martial art will do, from traditional martial arts to MMA to rape self-defence to military CQC to prison knife fighting to straight-up bar brawling, as long as it's backed up by experience.

And criminal skills, even if you never quite break the law, the knack of staying out of the police sphere of awareness, physically, socially, or electronically.

A good cyberpunk, even if they are only a casual user of electronic media, is security-conscious, and practices opsec, even about day-to-day affairs. Probably has basic investigation skills, has a few gadgets that can be used for self-defense, depends on wits and cunning to keep their ass out of traction, and treats their body like a machine to be kept in at least running order.

The basic attitude is survival, then profit, then altruism. Look out for number one, make a profit if it doesn't pose an unacceptable risk, and stick it to the man when you can.

Even if they don't code, they're what would be called "information literate", and if they don't know something, knows how to research it quickly, or find someone who does.

As the society becomes more dystopian, the skills become more specific. In a police state, one either needs more political skills or more criminal skills. In a disrupted civilisation, in an anarchic state, or a dangerous area of a state, one needs more networking abilities to pass through areas controlled by different groups, to know what areas to skirt, what names to drop to whom.

>>50880

Good points chummer.

In general, I'd say this thread is lacking social skills.

Staying safe on the street by being able to defend yourself is good. Not having to defend yourself or have someone else do it for you is better.

Learn to lie properly, learn to bluff, learn to spontaneously bullshit yourself out of hairy situations without hesitating or thinking too much.

Find out who's pulling the threads in your area and schmooze up to them. Do them a favor and make yourself look loyal and valuable.

Don't matter if you actually want to work for a thug, being close to the group will keep you safe and help with making deals.

>>50886

This is fucking AWFUL advice.

Telling people who aren't good at lying, but old enough to read this board, to start trying to learn to lie and bluff is basically asking people who are already terrible with people to go out and ruin what few relationships they might have forged.

You know what becomes important when everything goes to shit? Family.

You know what family is? It's the people you choose to fight, and possibly die for, because you know they'd do the same for you.

Why do you think gangs, tribes, etc … all flourish in dystopian settings? It's because you just aren't going to make it, no matter how bad-ass you think you are, without someone really, truly, having your back.

Fewer and fewer of us are born into a family like that, and that's a disadvantage for sure. But, when you're walking down the street, you'd rather be one of six guys walking, than one edgelord any day.

I recommend the DIRECT OPPOSITE of what this moron just told you.

Go join a club, maybe something that makes you feel a little more capable. If you feel like you're in shape, maybe try joining a local martial arts gym, and if not, you could learn to shoot. It doesn't really matter, and if those are too far outside your comfort zone, there's hiking or mountain biking. Find a group of people willing to take in someone new, and then generally try to be GOOD COMPANY.

The point is, you're not there to be a bad ass. You're not there to hone your loner ninja skills. You're there to MAKE FRIENDS.

Get in with some guys. Go have beers after practice. Maybe hit up a camping trip here and there. Don't try to impress them, just help out where you can, LISTEN when they talk, LISTEN when they give advice, and stop yourself from trying to one-up them or show off.

Just LISTEN and BE GOOD COMPANY.

Look for the social protocol of the situation. Do these people say 'please' and 'thank you'? Then you do too. Do these people buy the first round? Then you do too. You get to know these people, and how they show that they appreciate being a part of the group, and you do that too, because you want real friends, and you can't make friends by being an outsider or an asshole.

I'm not suggesting that you not 'be yourself', because adhering to basic social protocol of a group you want to be involved in isn't 'faking', it's following a pattern to show that you want to be there, and you want to be accepted as who you are, as part of the group.

Let people warm up to you. It's okay to be quiet at first, and erring on the side of quiet over arrogant and loud, is always a good thing. Once people get to know you a little, let them ask you questions and get to know you at their own pace. Don't hit people over the head with the tragedies of your life. There's nothing more awkward than someone announcing their dad used to hit them, or their mom doesn't give a shit about them.

Look, the world may, or may not, get worse … but, it's already bad enough to see that people with a crew they can count on, with similar interest and goals, have it a LOT easier. You think that's going to change when the lights go out, or the jackboots are marching down main street?

>>50887

Golden rule: learn to organize and designate roles for different jobs. Bodyguards and hackers, PR and woodwork.

Skills I see as useful:

- Programming

- Systems Administration

- Some rudimentary hacking/reverse engineering knowledge.

- Networking Knowledge (Wifi/802.11/POCSAGS/TVWS/etc)

- Electronics/Soldering/SoC's

- Crypto/OTP/And associated programming libs ifyou need to make on the fly crypto systems (pynacl, etc).

- Mechanical/Fabrication Knowledge

- Chemistry/Slight Pharmacology

- Mathematics (Statistics/Probability/Calculus)

>>50887

>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Cool your panties. This is good advice to the point thatyou can practice with anonymous individuals. Social interaction, or in a less formal situation, street smarts, is a good thing to try and attain.

Of course family/tribe/blah is important. But this points out the us vs. them mentality that will. (https://forensicoutreach.com/library/4-police-interrogation-techniques-you-should-know-and-why-not-all-of-them-work/) So knowing how ot lead conversations, how to obfuscate, flatter, spot lies, etc, are skills that might save your life in a high tech low life situation.

As for

>your there to be bad ass

This is quite the large assumption of what might be around oneself in this situations. This high moral highway your espousing is just self masturbatory moralism. Go into a third world/2nd world area (ghettos, high urban crime, or even poor rural areas) Will often rquire you to be socially nimble and that does include at its most basic form, the art of lying. Having lived in Hermosillo MX in the ghettos, as much as my 'friends' were my 'tribe', there were things they would protect above their friends. Stratification of priorities tends to go like this: self > immediate family/paramours > family > neighborhood friends > local gang > City 'Nationalism' > Nation > Race.

So you only touch on the surface of it.

>Jackboots

And doyou think your friends will keep faith if they can trade you for their wives/daughters/fathers/husbands? In desperate and resource poor situations Humans revert to rather simple priorities as Maslow pointed out in his Hierarchy of needs.

>>50915

>>50914

>>50896

Wow, it's literally a bunch of social retards giving bad advice based on video games, D&D and pure fucking imagination.

>>50916

>>50914

This is me

>>50896

Not me

>>50915

Me again. Didn't peg your (You's) quite right. Try again?

>Imagination

orly? How so? Do you have any points to actually make or are you the pedestrian citizen who's never actually had any worthwhile adversity to warrant the experience I'm drawing from?

>>50919

>Do you have any points to actually make or are you the pedestrian citizen who's never actually had any worthwhile adversity to warrant the experience I'm drawing from?

HAHAHAHAHA I'm in fucking tears.

Marines don't refer to people as 'pedestrian civilians', mall cops and wannabes do.

Keep going! Keep trying to impress me on the internet!! Did you train under John Wick?!

BAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

=)

>>50920

Dude, that wasn't a military term. Pedestrian, i.e. rather boring. You're blinders are rather narrow. Now are you going to actually attend to the points I made or just wiggle your inflamed asshole on your seat. Or can you not argue on good faith?

>>50921

>Pedestrian, i.e. rather boring.

'Pedestrian citizen' … don't shorten it, it's funnier when you say the two words together, like that's the only way your neck beard waggling can think of to describe a normal fucking person.

>Now are you going to actually attend to the points I made

What points? You listed off a bunch of tech bullshit that fat people hope like hell is going to matter when the shit hits the fan, but probably won't. You argue that me suggesting that 'practice lying' is a good idea is fucking awful advice because of my morals, when I pointed out in my rebuttal that it's going to work against these people making the sort of connections they're going to need. That's not a moral issue. Lying to people and ruining your social credit is not a good thing.

Do I think 'Mathematics (Statistics/Probability/Calculus)' are useful skills in a dystopia? No, probably not. I studied all of them at university, and frankly can't see how doing derivatives is going to help me feed my family in a police state.

It looks like you just listed some shit you thought would sound good off the top of your head, with no life experience at all to back them up.

Wow you all are dreaming I mean come on this cyberpunk fantasy is just a load of nonsense. The only skill you all are going to get better at is how to to order pizza and chinese food. And maybe swapping hard drives so you can get your collection of hentai onto your new computer.

You all are pathetic I mean look at yourselves you already live in your own filth, but now you want the rest of the world be just like your mom's dinky and rundown basement. And none of you is going to be running from cybercorps or the cops any time soon you need to hit your cybermill first before you even consider it.

Can't you fucking shutins just clean up your room and desk atleast. I mean having stuff laying around everywhere will not be attractive to whatever prospective women that society rejected who you will be inviting into your shared house space one that is either your parents or a rented shithole with other people who are completely socially retarded, undisciplined and inept like yourselves.

Calisthenics and meditation. You fucks should just get really honest with yourselves. The closest thing to meditation is that 8-bit soundtrack you keep playing over and over again and calisthenics will just be shuffling to the shower that doubles as a toilet.

Low life low tech. You know that shameful sinking feeling in your stomach partially from the undigested ramen and on the other half because you are regretting your poor life decisions? Keep thinking about how living in the equivalent of a sewer with wifi is going to bring you happiness.

Stop masturbating to lollis and chicks with dicks and clean the cumstains off the floor and couch. And apply to those evil corporations that you're never going to take down because that might give you some hope of a life other than attaching robot limbs and dildos that end up giving you skin infections and eventually leprosy.

>>50928

> The closest thing to meditation is that 8-bit soundtrack you keep playing over and over again

Hey, don't make fun of chiptune!

The rest is pretty much on point, from what I've seen. Aside from a few messages saying 'Make some goddamn friends and quit being a fucking weeb'.

All you really need to know is how to get a woman, raise big family and advance on your career to secure their future.

Demographics is destiny, and even in Neuromancer vast majority were normies completely unaware of Armitage's punk army.

>>50935

That's an oversimplification, I certainly don't think having kids is a requirement.

Still, life in the big city is likely to be much like it is now, except maybe a little less private.

I think finding a mate, finding a crew, and making a life worth living, should be the end goals.

It's like we've romanticized being miserable so much that people forget that you're supposed to be trying to be happy, not looking for cooler looking ways to be miserable.

>>50916

Basic designation is how you survive, no matter police teams or Triads or cyberpunks.

>>50928

I am in a room of fuckwits who does not realize the future is jewed to the max, and that we need to learn how to survive and Revolt Against The Modern World

>>50935

>>50940

Learn 2 do prepping and /k/https://matrix.to/#/#prepping:matrix.ordoevangelistarum.com

Learn 2 do basic tech Opsec and /tech/ https://matrix.to/#/+tech:matrix.ordoevangelistarum.com

>>51256

How about just being able to run a 5K without straight up dying? A knife pretty much makes martial arts a bad idea, bear spray makes them useless, and either can be picked up at a bodega for next to nothing. But, if you can't cross the road at a decent pace without your fat ass needing a break, you're not going to last long.

>>51280

If you want to look into a good type of fitness for /cyb/ low life shit. Look towards the fitness of special operations units. They excel at long distance running / rucking while still being able to move quickly / sprint (anaerobic capacity) and use their strength. But yeah everyone should be able to run a 5k in about 22min or less regardless of how much physical shit you do.

>>51256

Krav maga is okay but honestly if I was going for a "self defense" type martial art I would practice silat. It was literally made to incapacitate / kill enemies as quickly as possible. When we cross-trained with Indonesian SF, they kicked our asses during sparring sessions and most of us have pretty extensive experience in Muay Thai, BJJ, and a bit of Krav Maga.

>>50916

Programming and basic sys admin skills are super fucking helpful dude. I mean yeah maybe the calc shit is unneeded (I say this as a math major) but everything else there are pretty helpful skills. I would just add first aid, some knowledge of tradecraft, basic situational awareness, and you're set.

>>51256

>no mention of euro stuff

I am disappoint.

Combat Glima is fantastically useful for one-on-one fights, because of how much of it is centered around getting your opponent down and making a clean break. The basics of hip throws and leg sweeps is still there, but also manipulating your opponent in such a way that you can prevent them from getting away from you or manipulate them in such a way that you can turn around what would otherwise be you becoming incapacitated.

Poker. The world is full of idiots, idiots will always gamble. If you're smart you can make enough to get food + basic necessities.

If you are smart and don't win big the tax man will never know.

I keep telling people Vegas is the most cyberpunk city on the planet but no one wants to listen, heh.

>>49637

Amateur radio is a good cyberpunk hobby. Lots of soldering, electricity, electronics, programming… And you actually get to use the stuff instead of just completing a mooc or two and trying not to forget what you learned six months ago.

The guy that created wi-fi was a radio amateur, same as the guy that built a free tv feed between earth and the ISS.

Otherwise, to sum up the thread: just train to be Batman.

>>51849

>I keep telling people Vegas is the most cyberpunk city on the planet but no one wants to listen, heh.

just because of the gambling? or are there other reasons?

>>51851

not the quotee, but my two cents: brouzouf spilling through hourly, more than shazbots like us will ever see. a city built from fuckall in the middle of desert, an oasis of wealth and comfort. drugs, sex, crime, vice at ALL levels, from the freak in the alley to the freak in the penthouse. neon signs, advertisements, no-tell motels, hordes of people around the clock, ravers and hustlers and suits and scavengers. thousands upon thousands of people from around the world congregating to play into the hands of the House, full well knowing they're feeding the game, but throwing it all away regardless.

all that's really missing is acid rain and chromed up bouncers.

https://0x00sec.org/t/essay-images-video-thoughts-professional-hacker-2011-to-present/8782

Good breakdown of hacker mindsets with a comparison of martial arts and hacking.Some tactical stuff too, like an attack the author calls digital pickpocketing.

wow i just kinda wondered onto this board and into this conversation. I have to admit I am impressed so I will add to this conversation.

I have agree with several anons in this thread, there is no way anyone could learn of of the "necessary skills" to live in a cyberpunk society.

Another thing I have to say is that even if we somehow became a cyberpunk dystopia the world will still go on. Most of the characters in any cyberpunk novel need a specific set of skills because they are usually embroiled in some kind of drama that requires those skills. The average person will have no need of most of the skills mentioned in this thread because 95% of the people on this planet never do more then live their daily, boring lives

At best the skills you will need are the skills we are pushing for now. A good education, a good job, minor knowledge in how to use a computer and surf the web. Beyond that you won't need much else except some minor skill in how to use a every day gun.

>>47182

>What skills should a person living in a cyberpunk world have?

Just like low life today: How to steal as much welfare as possible.

>>52258

Kill yourself commie scum

>fuck guberment

>help me guberment!

>>51487

None. He is a math major (not degree), who is also an expert on special forces fitness and martial arts.

Yeah, I remember my college years, I was also special forces solider cross trained in Krav Maga and Dim Mak.

I want to train myself to be Neo as bad as the next guy but damn, the advice here is SO cringe, its crazy.

>>50880

>if you're living at street level, generally being streetwise enough to speak current slang, not look like an outsider, know where to get things, know who the players are, and look scrappy and switched-on enough to make muggers think twice.

This is Horrible advice. If you don't belong somewhere, don't go there. And if you go, do not make yourself an obvious victim by approaching people and using words that make it clear you don't belong. And that doesn't mean what you think it means. I garentee you that your imitation slang will immediately recognized , and you will be immediately victimized. Because approaching people on the street and trying to talk to them like you think they talk is a signal you don't belong, and if you are stupid enough to be trying this, you are probably easy to take advantage of. Alot of a slang is neighborhood specific, and people know each other. If you show up somewhere you shouldn't be using 2000's hip-hop slang thinking you fit in, you are going to get robbed.

>using shop windows to check behind you, knowing when you're being trailed, never keeping an open drink, always sitting with your back to the wall, noting exits as soon as you walk in.

Normal People don't use these skills, and again, this can be another signal you are vulnerable. Going somewhere you shouldn't be and looking over your shoulder everyfew minutes, or stopping to stare at empty glass windows to see what you can in the reflection is an indication that you don't belong, your not going anywhere particular, and your vulnerable. You are just maximizing the time you spend in a place you don't belong.

If you have to pass through an area you don't belong, don't. It doesn't make you a cyber punk hacker. It doesn't make you cool. If do have to pass through, don't approach people, don't comment on things. Keep silent. Walk with purpose, but not like your terrified, or fleeing. Believe it or not, you blend far better into the scenery as a generic outsider who might be a social worker, court official, person jogging, literally anything other than LARPing hacker who decided to try out hip-hop slang because he thinks he understands neighborhood politics based on 90's movies, and rap songs. Trying to 'make friends', trying to run some kind of over the top security program will flag you as a vulnerable idiot.

And I can attest to this personally, but in somewhat the opposite way. I attended a high-school I shouldn't have been at, and my over the top security program was trying ridiculous martial art blocks against jest punches, and comments about how I can "block punches". I basically flagged myself as a vulnerable idiot, and suffered the consequences for doing that. Don't stand out by acting. Don't stand out by gawking. Have something your doing, move with purpose, and don't stop for people.

So to summarize this thread, apparently everyone should learn everything about basically everything. It would be nice to reorient this thread a bit by asking something else like.

Now that we have a gigantic thread of stuff people can pick to learn, how do they go about deciding which things are best for them to learn and which are most relevant out of the list of things in this thread?

>>52409

Well, if cyberpunk is low-life high-tech, the point would be to acquire tech knowledge that could bring some cash.

Beyond that, to each its own: just go toward what agrees with you and stick with it long enough to actually acquire some sort of working knowledge.

Another way to look at it is to consider everything is on its way to become more complex or technical. Being curious about how everyday stuff works is a good attitude to have I'd guess.

>>52413

I'm kind of over the idea of reorienting toward this very narrow 'high tech, low life' idea. I want to envision collapse scenarios and what skills we would use to overcome them. Or better what skills will help us overcome the G00gle-skynet?

>>52431

It is not that narrow if you actually plan on learning skills. Time is a finite resource, you don't have the means to become Batman before an hypothetical SHTF. So any choice is an elimination of other possibilities.

I'd rather pick a skill that is helpful to this reality and the one I suspect might emerge, rather than building upon too far out there scenarios.

>>52437

Heh, thanks for the advice. /cyber/ is just one place to hang out 10 min a day, I'm actually getting shit done the rest of the time.

>>47187

The worst part is that the people who could stop this now, the politically active portion of the youth, are all caught up between antifa's vanguard communism disguised between red and black flags and traditionalist fascism disguised half the time as 'libertarianism' and the other half the time is just blatantly swastika-waving nigger-hating fascist. Instead of fighting state power, they're begging for it.

>>50754

Dystopian fiction in a nutshell.

>>47226

>makes a pro-fascist post on the cyberpunk board

>is a complete brainlet

>is completely pathetic

What a surprise.

>Basic electronics? I could pass a freshman college EE course without trying hard, but I doubt that I could make something worth mentioning on hackaday.

Go learn basic EE and then you'll be able to. It's honestly not hard shit.

>Martial arts? Okay, sure. I've been in fights and I've trained a little. I've been in enough fights to know that I am better off avoiding them, and I've won enough fights to know that I won because I didn't fight fair, not because I'm skilled.

If you didn't win because you're skilled, then you didn't train enough.

>Gun/knife/weapons? Be serious. If I kill a guy, I am going to be on the radar of every cop. There is no way I am going to risk killing a guy, it's not worth it.

Not sure what country you're in, but here in the US, it's legal to kill someone for self defense. I don't think the point was killing individuals though. I think the point is to be capable of armed rebellion.

>"social engineering" - ha!

Why 'ha'? Hacking is easier if you can get someone to tell you their password. Social literacy is important even just in daily life.

>lockpicking - This is ridiculous. I refuse to believe that this board is the hangout of people who know electrical engineering AND martial arts AND lockpicking. This is not the MIT professors' lounge.

I don't have an EE degree but honestly if your qualification for "know electrical engineering" is being able to make some of the shit on hackaday, like a hardware RNG using dice, then I would not be surprised if it was at least half the board.

>Seriously, how many people here have picked even one lock?

If you haven't picked at least one lock then you should opt out of posting on cyber.

>How many have picked a lock that wasn't the basic pin-type - the easiest type to pick?

You mean one that has security pins? Me.

>How many have picked a lock that didn't belong to them, i.e. breaking and entering?

I've picked a lock off a shed for my uncle that he had lost the key to. I've never committed a crime though FBI. Pls go.

For some reason lock picking in particular really triggered you.

>>47226

I have a electronics lab with all the tools I need (scope, multi meter,soldering station, etc) and I make whatever basic stuff I need such as a hat with IR diodes to blind cameras at night. I'm into picking locks, I have a set of picks and many padlocks ranging from easy to hard and I practice on them, I own a rifle and go hunting and target shooting.

I do a lot of urbex in abandoned places and active sites and I have had to pick locks. I also have multiple elevator keys that let me put them into service/fire mode and get to levels that I normally cant get on. I'm very good with social engineering, I can fast talk myself into and out of any situation and I'm fit enough to outrun any cop/security guard which I have had to do before.

Its not hard to know all this and I'm always looking to learn more. I need to learn how to fight and learn more about pentesting.

>>52620

I have a padlock that I have not been able to pick yet, I suspect many spool pins in it yet, that is one lock I practice with. For the padlocks I have picked, its good to keep trying because sometimes you get a fluke and you want to be consistent. I do know what order to pick the pins but I still like to practice my tension when picking spool pins/security pins so I can be more consistent.

>>47226

Assuming that you're supposed to already know all that was your first mistake.

>>52606

the amount of "cyberpunk" loving communists that completely and utterly fail to comprehend the message of the entire genre is absolutely fucking baffling

you bring it up to them, and they're all "well you see, william gibson portrayed the corporations as evil, so they're evil and government is good"

>>52820

We seriously need to discuss the mounting issues with soyboy retards who think cyberpunk is all about smashing trashcans and checking privilege. But this is a discussion for its own thread.

>>50919

>pedestrian citizen

my sides

>>47230

Ok say you picked the lock.

What is on the other side waiting ?

If things are that bad there probably looking for meat and that would be the person picking the lock.

I think my skills would be transporting goods food medical it seems there is going to be a need for that.

I don’t think I could just move to the wild and survive

It may get cold snow

Food

Shelter

Water

The thought of getting picked up being out in the middle of nowhere and someone finds you.

>>51849

A industry based on tourism

Most places around the world have gambling.

I understand it’s sin city but Atlantic City was a gambling town also.

You say cyberpunk is not in the present now.

>>52431

Complying with the masses.

You do what the masses do you have no problem.

Psyops that will have you following the sheep or make you do something crazy.

What about all the people on medication and there craziness.

Remember it’s a police state and you are the criminal if you defend yourself in the wrong way.

>>47226

>>47201

>muh lockpicking

in every secure workplace i've worked at, the lock has been the least secure of the whole set-up

as in, 90% of the time the lock is stronger than the door it's attached to and/or is in a place where it's not attended anyway, allowing you to freely just crowbar or fire ax your way in

like there's always >muh social engineering but for the most part there's also just prying the door open/apart

and for the most part, a lot of stuff in those spaces isn't of much value except to very specific people

>>52820

>>52823

agreed but also for the people who think it's about re-enacing their last Shadowrun game and just killing people in the street with katanas and shit before breaking into mailboxes (rolling for stealth all the while, of course) to steal steamed hams out of the mail

>>52607

>I think the point is to be capable of armed rebellion.

case in point, cyberpunk is not "armed rebellion"

>>47210

why not just go to a fucking hostel

>>54869

>in every secure workplace i've worked at, the lock has been the least secure of the whole set-up

you ever seen any doors with a 2000 euro lock on it, but hinges that can be taken apart with a screwdriver on the outside?

>>47185

autism

>>54871

depends on the size of the screwdriver, but for the most part, yes

in fact, I've personally screwed the latch holding the 2k Abloy lock on back in, from the inside of course. But still, it's a pair of 1/2" wide bolts keeping the latch on. Not exactly impervious to damage. (Especially considering it came up that we had to screw it back in, just from being rattled around under normal usage.)

>>54875

>>54875

Oh, also, I forgot to mention; the door itself is steel, but hollow, and it has a viewport. It can't be more than 1/4" steel, and we keep the keys within arm's reach of the door, including that viewport. Naturally, the lock isn't built into the door, but still. You could unlock it from outside if that viewport were open. Such as by grinding it out. Assuming you didn't just take a breaching shotgun to the latch.

If I were a security consultant, I'd have a lot to say about our setup, but I'm just a signalman (with access to all the crypto gear and its keys) junior it's well above my pay grade to suggest anything. But it's 2018 and anything in there anyone wants is available online anyway, so who cares

In most cyberpunk settings you have a variety of niches that people need to fit into…hackers of course, but also mercs, designers, various types of artists, technicians, etc.

If I were to generalize a skillset it's good to have a base level in, I'd say some electronics repair and robotics knowledge, some basic neuroscience(to understand how cybernetic prosthetics work along with existing nerves and muscles), generalized knowledge of firearms and melee weapons, especially knives. Some knowledge of computer systems, perhaps basic programming, firearms training and repair, and some measure of DIY skills…welding, soldering, plastics, 3D modeling and printing, basic woodworking, etc.

>>49891

>stay away from corp-owned hospitals or back alley doctors.

nigga wtf? What is a back alley doctor ? And if I need to go to the hospital, first aide is not a viable substitute.

>>52607

>If you didn't win because you're skilled, then you didn't train enough.

Literally not how fights work. Skill is important, but there are huge amounts of uncontrollable factors like the size difference between people, who gets the first punch, and if the person punched first knows they are in a fight, and if they are weapons or extra people involved. Its a fantasy to think that you could win any fight based on your training, most fights are dangerous to everyone involved.

>Not sure what country you're in, but here in the US, it's legal to kill someone for self defense.

Way oversimplified. Many states have duty to retreat, and ability to respond only in kind with force. Shooting someone who attempts to rob you unarmed, may result in you going to prison. There are circumstances where people can kill, but they are not exactly common, and the vast majority of people arn't carrying guns.

>Go learn basic EE and then you'll be able to. It's honestly not hard shit.

lol. Analog electronics is actually hard. Really doesn't surprise me that you think your a super engineer based on your overconfident ideas about killing people and winning fights.

>>52617

How do you acquire those elevator keys??

>>55397

Several ways, there is a really good DEFCON talk about it, basically a lot of places make laws that specify the lock parameters for fire keys, which means that anybody can (illegally) make a universal elevator key.

>>47232

severely underrated post

Let's just entertain a full fantasy scenario. Even if you have all the techninja skills, what use are they if you can't make contact with people who will need somebody with those skills; you'll end up as shit-tier Cisco with no Darlene, or more likely like that random techie that 'worked' for Ray but even that dude had a family, you won't.

>>54889

small stiches, treating pepper spray, applying bandages - believe me, a large segment of the social media generation has no idea how to do any of this even in poorer areas of bongistan and will go straight to the ER if they don't have an older person to do do it for them.

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>>55490

>>>/pol/

Katanas, definitely. and Bows, depending on your STR.

>>55504

Swords have a better concealment rating– but why bother with external weapons? Bone spikes or cyber spurs, chummer. Unarmed (Implants) at 6/8 and a decent enough STR. Even a Face type can afford to dump one point of ESS for a couple good backups.

>>55510

Rippers all the way.

Here is basically the same thread for James Bond written on a Gentleman site.

https://gentlemanspy.com/resources/

Its actually pretty intresting because self improvement is intresting.

Suggests a lot of the same stuff like working out , martial arts, first aid, weapons, foreign languages.

This all seems to suggest that these arn't paticularly cyberpunk in themselves, and so more intresting than just listening them would probably be listing resources for how to do these things in a /cyber/ way.

>>52258

that is the exact opposite of cyberpunk survival but i get where you're coming from

>>47182

These threads are always a really inspiring fantasy. I too would like to become {bond,batman (beyond), John Wick, … }.

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