No.46268
What do you guys think of 3D printers?
I think they fit right in, especially the DIY desktop ones
>uses completely open-source parts
>cheap tech assembled to make practical machinery/tech
>can make whatever you want with it, even working guns
>can make new parts to upgrade itself
>can mix and match random parts from other printers
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No.46269
I can't help but feel like people are only using it to make useless trinkets and dust collectors.
Even looking at something like reddit/functional_print or whatever, it's often functionality for functionality sake, solutions in search of a problem and something simple and really uninspired.
3d-printed guns and prosthetics are only cool things I can remember.
Also, looks like reprap community doesn't care about making self-replicating machines anymore, and it is fucking depressing.
Adrian Bowyer's plan of completely subverting established market structures by putting mini-factory in everyone's bedroom did not survive first encounter with the enemy.
Plastic as a material is really underwhelming too.
Both soft and brittle, it's bad at handling high temperatures or serious mechanical stress, which makes it not a very good material for making 3d-printers themselves.
I still want 3d-printer for myself and hope I can make it useful, but after contemplating long and hard about it and watching too much of Primitive Technology on youtubes, simpler tools like CNC-router or even good old milling machine likely to be a better investment.
Having a collection of tools that do one thing and do it well, but can be combined together in emergent ways is superior to having jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none supergadget
UNIX-Way shows itself even in the hardware space.
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No.46270
>>46268
I bought a premade one (xyz da vinci mini wireless), and I use it at least once a week. Made some creds off of items I've designed and printed.
Mostly fidget toys, but I'm currently working on a housing for a stepper motor and compass module for a rotating antenna array that a buddy is programming for his ocean going fishing boat.
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No.46286
Suppose I may need a prosthetic limb, and want to get to work on building one for myself before losing use of my arm/hand, leaving me at the whims of someone else's design capabilities, or worse, mass-market products.
Is there a cheap 3D printer that's suited to this? I know basically nothing about this technology, but it looks like I need to learn.
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No.46288
>>46286
Technically any printer will work for that, you just have to build in tolerances to account for variations in print quality on the lower end ones.
Personally, for something like that, I'd go with ABS or an exotic (for strength and resilience to the environment). Shitty thing is, printers that can do ABS and exotics usually start at $700 and go way up from there, unless you buy a DIY kit.
Not to mention the cost of design software (if you don't want to use freeware, which is extremely limited). There are ways around this, but they can't be mentioned here and you've got to be pretty good with firewall rules and windows services.
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No.46298
>>46288
>There are ways around this, but they can't be mentioned here
You fucking wot, m8? Nobody cares if you discuss piracy here. If anything, it's encouraged. What kind of software do you recommend?
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No.46304
>>46298
Solidworks. The actual license is like $5000, but good torrents can be found. If you go that route, go for an older edition (I use 2013), create firewall rules blocking the programs (if you install the flow dynamics and other addons) and the license checker service, and disable the service manually in services.msc.
I did those things, and haven't gotten a license warning or anything.
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No.46307
>>46304
>services.msc
Does Solidworks work on GNU/Linux?
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No.46316
>>46307
Not that I know of, but you can run everything though a VM or wine. I used to have Solidworks on a locked down VM and passed everything to the host through Virtualbox's shared folder util.
If you've gotta use linux, look either for a printer that can/has to read from an SD card, or one that can have the data sent to it and store the data independently from the host. Getting Gcode to run fast enough through a VM is near impossible.
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No.46329
>>46304
Is there other Software besides Solid Works? I have some Blue prints flying around and want to know.
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No.46335
>>46329
AutoCAD has 3D functionality, there's a (((google))) version, and most printers come with some sort of basic 3D modeling software.
Honestly though, Solidworks is by far the best one I've used. But because I like sharing, here's a list I found that's pretty comprehensive:
https://all3dp.com/best-3d-modeling-software/
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No.46339
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No.46384
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No.46432
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No.46819
I may purchase one maybe, but I wait to find a good model actually worth buying it.
I'm into making one myself too, but I still need more tools and spares.
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No.46895
>>46268
Like what >>46269 said, I've only ever seen them used as hobbyist tools that churn out trinkets. I think the most useful thing I've ever seen printed from a homemade 3D printer was a brace to hold together a broken gaming headset.
It's a cool idea but until these devices can do more than just print in cheap plastics, I struggle to imagine a future in which they're used for anything besides printing pirated Warhammer 40k miniatures.
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No.47029
I have an Anet A6, works fine, yeah, there aren't any useful 3d models, but sure you can make your own, the Anet a6 is chinkshit tier but works fine and havent got caught, theres a lot of modders for the a6 and the a8 models, prusa i3 clones
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No.47031
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No.47032
They make the disposable toys that the chinese make en masse. The technology still has a long way to mature, especially for non techies who have the brouzouf to drive the market into ubiquity.
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No.47048
>>46268
Meme technology. We need to be working on stuff like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy8HvHC8-1c
i.e. taking regular machining tools and automating them as far as possible, with the software and construction steps all fully open source. That way people can work with regular sheet metal etc, instead of paying over the odds for an expensive spool of flimsy plastic. Forges, lathes, milling machines are the immediate future.
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No.47061
>>47048
Machining tools waste raw materials like there's no tommorow though, especially so if you need a complicated 3-dimentional build.
And they are not something you can reasonably keep in your bedroom, unless it's just a small and low power CNC-router, which isn't that useful either.
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No.47156
>>47061
>Machining tools waste raw materials like there's no tommorow
So does ALM; most of the feed material isn't used but the heat deforms it, you can reuse it maybe once or twice (with decreasing results) and then you have to toss it. Not to mention conventional machining uses dirt cheap raw materials, and the waste can easily be melted down and reforged into a sheet.
>they are not something you can reasonably keep in your bedroom
Which is why you have a dedicated machining room, which you'll need to do anything even halfway serious.
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No.47218
ive used mine to make a chastity cage, dildo and anal beads all out of flexible material, used a condom on them and they were fine, apart from the chastity cage that is, i used that as is
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No.47219
>>47032
I've made a custom enclosure for guitar pedals, arcade machines, wearable computers and custom laptops with mine.
Getting the pieces to put together your own hardware has been fairly easy for years, but even a rudimentary enclosure, with no moving parts, was difficult and time consuming.
Now, I've made custom pins, and mounts for a wearable computer for my jacket. With a cheap sticker-printer, I've been able to make things look exactly how I want them to, and work how I want them to.
Between designing my own circuit boards, buying cheap hardware on aliexpress, and then being able to 3D model and print any mechanical hardware I need, I don't need to buy finished products anymore.
That means if I want a music player that looks cool, and doesn't check in with the cloud to make sure I own what I'm playing, I just make one.
If I want a pirate box that slips into my pocket and looks like a pack of cigarettes? No problem.
If I want a pair of sunglasses with a computer hidden in them?That's a Weekend project.
I don't have to wait for Google or Apple to sell me a wearable computer that rats me out to anyone who'll give them a nickle.
Sure, I might be making much the same shit I can buy somewhere else, but when you design your own stuff, you don't have to make the same compromises, and you don't have to settle for owning what someone else is willing to make for you.
Sure, I still have a phone like everyone else, but I can leave it at home. I don't have to choose to either have my one device that does everything, but also rats me out, or leave that behind and live like a caveman.
Sure, China could make those things for me. But they don't.
I don't have to wait for some corporation to decide to make the things I want.
Fuck Apple. Fuck Google.
I'll take a knock-off arduino, or a Pi Zero, and make whatever I want, for less than the cost of a pizza.
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No.47238
>>46268
They would have to eventually do something that combines a 3D printer with the plastic covering or casing and a PCB maker and solder machine which will house the electronics. But you need a factory to house the latter two depending on what your making and it would cost more than a mint.
3D printers are doing the most they can do right now; for simple harmless hobbyist projects
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No.47248
>>47238
It sounds like you want a replicator, not a tool.
Most people understand that a 3D printer is a tool. You can build anything you want, but you still have to have skills to do it.
Don't blame 3D printers for your ineptitude.
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No.47948
>>47219
>Sure, I might be making much the same shit I can buy somewhere else, but when you design your own stuff, you don't have to make the same compromises, and you don't have to settle for owning what someone else is willing to make for you.
thats the thing i love the most about it, sure i can get a lot of the things i make online or from shops but i cant get it custom made, they come with little things you dont like or would rather change, with a 3d printer you can make changes as you see fit which is awsome in terms of technology, this would eventually allow all the custom hardware you see in cyberpunk series
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No.47949
>>47948
Yeah, one thing that always stood out to me about Cyberpunk 2020 wasn't just that EVERYONE seemed to have some kind of wearable computer, but that they all had distinctly different ones.
I remember having one of those dipshit debates 15yr olds have about it, and at the time we argued that was ridiculous, because of course companies weren't going to make a different one for every person. So, really, they should all be wearing 'The newest model', right?
Now 3D printing and Makers hit the scene, and it becomes one of those things where the future surprises you, because it can work out that way.
I'm working on a wearable computer design with a friend, and we're using the same hardware/software, but designing different enclosures, because we want really different looks, even though they'll work the same.
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No.47961
>>46307
GNU/Linux got shit for CAD but I remember something using a Seimens engine that runs native. Only option. Solidworks was the best I used in school though, good shit.
>>46339
Or this. If you can't get match normie softwares, write software that does it the autism way. Very cool too.
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No.47962
I noticed people started printing all those various cases for their raspberry pi based handheld consoles.
While those prints are still pretty simplistic, this is nonetheless a step above Yoda-figurines, a move in the good direction and some semblance of progress.
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No.47964
I feel like 3d printing is still in the "installation phase"[0]
We're still seeing just vanguard of the vanguard. We're seeing people make useless shit like jewelery or toys or trying to substitute CNC machines. People find 3d printing novel and bad - just think about people's reaction to 3d printing food.
I can't even think how 3d printing will look like 10 years from now, but Im pretty sure it will get adopted more and more and find its uses in ways we haven't even imagined. Just compare to what the internet was used for in the 90's (ie. "list sites" - sites that listed, say, all the plumbers in some zipcode) to uber or car2go (ie. the internet is the background for how we move around).
[0]: http://reactionwheel.net/2015/10/the-deployment-age.html
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No.48037
>>46268
I agree with >>46269 the only useful ones are the most expensive models that can do stuff with polycarbonate which can actually take a beating and have IRL uses
The resolution is still shit and you're gonna be spending a lot of time and brouzouf getting it right
3D printing wont be truly useful until metal printers become common/cheap enough for end users to own which wont happen until patents expire
>>47061
You can even make guns with a CNC, also parts.
>>47219
Post pics of those creations, specially the jacket PC
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No.48042
>>46269
>>48037
Yeah, they're not that useful yet. Being able to print a custom case for a gadget or prototyping is where it's best at though. What I really want is a device that can manufacture functioning electronics. that's waaay of though
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No.48078
>>47964
A big part of the incoming boom is that the laser sintered metal 3D printing patents expired. This makes significantly larger classes of products feasible to print.
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No.48081
>>46269
In the last few weeks I've printed a wallet after mine started getting torn apart, a bushing for a fridge that broke, a straw that decarbonates soda, an adapter for my mic, a watch stand for two people, and I'm gonna start printing something for a friend's math class. Also I've printed a shit load of useless stuff too.
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No.48108
>>48037
That's not true, a cheap i3 knock-off can be setup to print in nylon, which was used as a boat propeller perfectly fine, the total coast comes to about £170-£200 including the plastic
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No.48204
>>48081
>a straw that decarbonates soda
Don't put 3d-prints into your food, dude.
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No.48205
>>48204
To elaborate:
-plastics can be toxic
-even if you get non-toxic plastic like PLA, it can have toxic admixtures
-even if you make sure your PLA is clean, there's trace lead from your hot end
-even if you get lead free hotend, prints have micropockets that capture food particles and let it rot and get eaten by mold, and they are impossible to clean.
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No.48214
You know how detatchable battery packs for things like a battery operated drill are designed to only fit in that brand of product? I wonder if a 3D printer could be used to make an adapter so a Dremel battery could fit into a Ryobi product and vice versa. Obviously it'd take more than just plastic, but if its just passing current through it would only need simple contacts, no circuitry right?
That would be fucking with megacorp's brozouf though, they'd come down hard on whoever they found doing it.
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No.48344
>>48214
yeah all youd need is a plastic housing with contacts to fit and hold the new batter and to run the contacts to the device, youd need to have the right voltage and amperage though, you could one up that and build an adapter which has the circuitry to step up and transform the voltage to the correct one for the device, that would then just require plugging the dremel battery into the adapter then plugging it into the ryobi
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No.52772
davelebron6@gmail.com
Good website. A great deal of valuable info right here.https://cgifurniture.com/
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No.52773
You can print hardware that's reachable via wi-fi backscatter.
http://printedwifi.cs.washington.edu/
>Finally, we present various 3D printed application prototypes including buttons, smart sliders and physical knobs that wirelessly control music volume and lights as well as smart bottles that can sense liquid flow and send data to nearby RF devices, without batteries or electronics.
Pretty cyber, m?
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No.58194
So, anyone tried the conductive filament yet?
Bonus points for the graphene one.
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No.58198
I like them, pretty useful for many things. Some tools I need I can simple make myself, or at least partially make them if I need metal or something.
I have an Ender 3…the thing is very high maintenance.
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No.58199
>>58194
Another trick is using Kapton tape and a laser
Warning: Megashazbot Commercial Youtuber: https://www.youtube.com/embed/RKcUgdXUf9Y
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No.58214
I need a laser cutter/etcher for paper, stickers, wood, cardboard, and various other materials. I don't know what to get though.
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No.58242
>>58188
Work out what you will use a 3d printer for, then that will inform your choice.
3d printing is 'slow' and can take hours/days for a print (many factors affect print speed.)
Printing certain plastics (ABS for example) give off fumes you would not want to breathe in, so wouldn't be a good idea in a home office. That said there are 'solutions' - some might be OK opening a window and putting a fan beside it if they live in a very hot climate (ABS normally needs constant high temperatures, so some enclosure around the printer)…
Who am I kidding? Go read up on it - you'll learn more than my post & get better quality info.
Learn about:
Printer types, terms such as FDM, SLA, Bowden/Direct extruder differences, heated bed, skirt, brim, raft, slicer, CAD, 3D modelling, filaments, PLA, PETG, TPU, ABS, …
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No.58243
>>46268
What's some badass cyberpunk type prints that are fairly small, and good for new printer owners that don't waste a lot of material and aren't too complex?
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No.58263
>>58243
print a yankee boogle
print a dozen
print a hundred
leave them around town
scatter handfuls around every gun store you can find
stash them in public places
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