/cyber/ - Cyberpunk & Science Fiction

>>41288

>cheap Chinese monocle displays

Are they any good? Whats the "real" name for them?

Its funny that wearable computers probably seemed to too awkward, but holding a phone in your hand is perfectly normal.

Personally, I never leave the house, so I dont need mobile tech, but if thats how far the technology has gotten, thats p schway

i have some theories but idk if they are right:

1. can you give an example of wearable hardware that is actually useful and not just a marketing scam?

2. it's difficult to find open-source hardware

3. it's difficult to find open-source drivers

4. people don't feel like compiling their own kernel

5. documentation for anything hardware-related is REALLY bad.

6. making video games and having power over infinity is more fun

7. i guess the main reason is that if you have the choice between becoming a game programmer or a hardware programmer/engineer you choose whichever is affordable.

lots of people can't afford to buy hardware gadgets to play with them and break them open and drip acid on the chips to reverse engineer them and to produce their modified chips so naturally the kind of programming you can do for free has a much larger scene.

maybe that's what They want, maybe that's why we still live in a capitalist, patent encumbered society for no reason. or maybe everyone is just really stupid.

>>41288

>Pi Zero

pi requires non-free software to even boot.

lurk moar.

>>41288

Any alibaba links to the CHinese monocle displays?

Read these replies:

1. Long list of ignorant bullshit, as if a 5$ linux computer, a pre-compiled Kernal and all but step-by-step instructions aren't enough.

2. 'I'd use Arduino', except no you wouldn't. You wouldn't do anything. At all. Comparing a fully functioning linux wearable to Arduino just shows off your fucking ignorance.

3. 'It requires (a single) non-open source driver to boot!' … yeah, probably typed on an iPhone. Nice Tryhard.

The real answer is people ARE doing. There's a few places were people talk about building these things, and cyberdecks with goggles and there's a dude who builds a new wearable every year for Halloween, but never tells anyone much about how he did it.

The reason you don't see a lot of it is because /cyber are fans and tryhards who never do jack shit.

>>41307

And yet the one person who asks a question with regard to actually doing shit, you don't reply to.

That having been said, what lib does Pi Zero need? And wasn't there some other thing called the CHIP that was 10 bucks and had on-board wifi?

As for wearable displays, you can get a semi-transparent mirror on eBay for about $80; it's an old camera part, so it's about the right size for a display.

Stick that shit under a projector and boom.

>>41308

Not the OP, but here's a monocle for under $60 shipped:

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/26-FPV-Goggle-Video-Glasses-Monocular-Head-Mount-Micro-Display-For-Aerial-Aircraft-Quadcopter-Drone/32609947780.html?spm=2114.30010308.3.187.qDTE1x&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_6,searchweb201602_1_10017_10005_10006_10034_10021_507_10022_508_10020_10018_10019,searchweb201603_9&btsid=53be5f4d-1df4-4e09-851c-c2bbdc751563

And here's the same glasses you can modify into a monocle, with instructions from Adafruit:

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/VG260-Portable-Wireless-Video-Glasses-Eyewear-Mobile-Theatre-with-AV-in-for-FPV/724211091.html?spm=2114.30010308.3.2.uEvP7J&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_6,searchweb201602_1_10017_10005_10006_10034_10021_507_10022_508_10020_10018_10019,searchweb201603_9&btsid=6ffbefe5-4308-4165-8ba2-b67ac605a730

So, yeah, 5 minutes of searching to find 2 displays that would work fine for a wearable computer under $100.

OP was right, though. The reason no one does it is because Cyberpunk is worse than Steampunk. We don't even make anything.

>>41310

>The reason no one does it is because Cyberpunk is worse than Steampunk. We don't even make anything.

Hey, that one guy made that vest!

>>41307

>'I'd use Arduino', except no you wouldn't. You wouldn't do anything

This.

>Comparing a fully functioning linux wearable to Arduino just shows off your fucking ignorance.

Yes wearable *NIX that's cool. Fuck I carry one in my pocket all the time.

>because /cyber are fans

Shit diggity you make it sound like this is a bad thing

>tryhards who never do jack shit

Got me there again

brb back to sowing machine

>>41315

>because /cyber are fans

>Shit diggity you make it sound like this is a bad thing

If you want to be a part of something, you have to create something. You can't just be a consumer. There's nothing wrong with being a fan if you also get off your ass and make a contribution.

Otherwise you're a do-nothing bitch.

>>41317

>You can't just be a consumer

Yes I can.

>There's nothing wrong with being a fan if you also get off your ass and make a contribution.

I am jacks lack of motivation to post leet h4x to /cyber/

>>41310

>120hz

That'd be cool if true

Its fine to be just a consumer, it keeps the scene alive and provides a reason for other people to make things for the community

>>41320

I'm ordering the monocle. It says it's 640x480. That's plenty for a full sized terminal!

I am still learning about Linux, so I wouldn't be able to contribute much by way of software, but when it comes to prototyping some glasses that could be applied to that monocle, I can model and print something pretty quickly and cheaply, then either post the final model on thingiverse or if necessary, create a mold and produce them for people on-demand.

I'm saying this, because I think it would be neat to see /cyber/ create something, maybe we could even get /g/ in on this. If we really tried, then we could revive wearable glasses by providing people with completely open-source platform.

The most notable change being that our glasses would cost less than $100, versus google's dead project that would have cost people a lot more (not to mention the issue of privacy).

As somewhat of an insider, I can tell you that wearable technology is a growing market, and it's only a matter of time before someone produces a really cheap product that winds up dominating the market.

That could be us, and we could do it without drawing any attention to our little board.

TLDR; Let's make one.

>>41333

We have two ways of going about this if we are to develop and release something.

1) We create a platform for people to download/develop our OS, discussion boards will come naturally; however, I advise that we create and host our own.

2) We form an organization and develop this product independently, while listening to customer feedback and adjusting our software/hardware accordingly.

While our first option will provide a lot more progress, our second option will be a lot more profitable; However, we could still make brouzouf by manufacturing the hardware.

Let me know what you all think, I'd love to get started.

>>41321

Do an unboxing in here when it arrives plx

I wonder what the focal distance is? Will your eye have to try and focus 2 inches away or do they have a lens that fixes that? Doesn't VR do something similar?

>>41333

They do look pretty clunky when clipped on regular glasses.

>>41333

I am willing to lend my philosophical support to this enterprise.

Can any droogs here CAD for 3D printing?

I propose we dub the finished product the "Model >9000"

>>41333

sounds cool. Where do we start?

>>41310

If these things work well, I could try to help with the software side. I am no professional, but maybe I can try to nig rig something.

Also, there are plenty of other low-consumption, small and cheap SBC if we don't want to give brouzouf to the Raspberry Pi foundation. We could use the CHIP (built in WiFi, which is what these glasses seem to be using) when it comes out, or upgrade to lowRISC if it ever gets developed.

>>41307

>Comparing a fully functioning linux wearable to Arduino just shows off your fucking ignorance

I just leave this here

>>41347

Yeah, because having an arduino that sniffs for open networks on a keychain is the exact same thing as having a *nix box built into your headphones.

Just stop.

>>41346

Ever SBC already runs linux, so I'm not sure what software would be needed.

As for using other Single Board Computers, there are enough to choose from, but Pi looks easiest. Probably a good starting point.

I think people should just buy some gear and build whatever they can build, and share pics and experiences.

The hardest part of making a wearable computer is going to be having it not look like Drek, or like you're a tryhard.

I've ordered a Pi Zero, and I'm going to wire that to one of those displays linked earlier in the thread. You can run that off a USB power pack, so the only thing missing is a keyboard.

Like I said, hard part is figuring out how to wear it so that I don't look like a tryhard.

>>41349

Are you planning to run http server from your earplugs there buddy?

>>41352

With a pi, you could run a piratebox and a small FM radio station.

With an ESP8266 you could run fileserver from a necklace.

So, yeah … Maybe?

>>41351

I am not sure how do those glasses work. Maybe they work as regular HDMI displays, or maybe they require some software to pipe images to them (which seems the case, considering the second ones work wirelessly; unless they come with a HDMI2wireless dongle, you will have to do something else to feed them video).

Anyway, the problem here is not whether to use a SBC or a programmable controller like Arduino, but about which SBC is the best for this task. We want:

>Small form factor, so it can be built into the "ear thing" of a scouter, or alternatively worn in a pocket without much hassle

>Low consumption

>Preferably as open as possible, so we can be sure it isn't spying on us

>With good documentation. You can't mod stuff as complex as a SBC without documentation

>Cheap. The glasses are already expensive enough, we don't need to spend another $50 in another piece.

The Pi Zero is good enough for most of these things, but it is one of the most closed down platforms out there. You would also be giving brouzouf to corrupt fucks who also happen to be "goobydigabbers are literally rapists" zealots, so that alone puts them fairly low in my ranking. Arduino is also out of the question for similar reasons (they bought into the whole "nerds are dead, nerds don't have to be your audience" fiasco), but mainly because it's not as flexible as a SBC.

CHIP, despite looking like it was marketed by 9fag-tier retards, seems to be neutral regarding politics, or at the very least not against people who think differently to them. It also comes with built in WiFi, which could come in handy, and you can also buy separately some sort of "case" with full QWERTY keyboard and an incorporated screen, which could come in handy to perform more advanced operations on the board.

I am unsure about how open everything about it is, but they claim to be open source (but so does the Raspberry Pi, so eh) and there is a chance it is yet another case of vaporware, but it seems a good option.

Anyway, the great thing about SBC is that we will be programming for Linux, not for the SBC, so we can always run our programs wherever.

But the great question is, how the fuck do those glasses work? Do they have some docs on how to program for them?

>Like I said, hard part is figuring out how to wear it so that I don't look like a tryhard.

You WILL look like a tryhard. You can't wear a scouter-like device without looking like a tryhard, but you can always try to make it as aesthetic as possible.

The girl in the OP is wearing a pretty cool one, but I guess something like that will be impossible until we make use of graphene transparent screens.

>>41355

Well, skipping all the /pol/ faggotry …

> But the great question is, how the fuck do those glasses work?

NTSC standard. The composite out for the pi pairs with the two linked above.

> You WILL look like a tryhard.

I see people walking around with 'Gamer' headphones, with big boom mics attached. I think if you just make a second boom and pull it down when you want to use it, people would probably assume it's a mic, if they notice at all.

I'm wondering about keyboards. Wireless USB looks promising. Anyone got any suggestions?

>>41357

That dude who does the Halloween costumes on tumblr put a night-vision camera under the barrel of his gun, so he could shoot it while looking the other way.

Looked Cyber AF.

>>41356

>Well, skipping all the /pol/ faggotry …

>/pol/ faggotry

I am sorry I don't want to fund people who insult me. I guess having some standards is even worse than sperging about muh degeneratee and da jooz in every thread.

>The composite out for the pi pairs with the two linked above.

Wew lad, it does actually use cables. Since I had scripts blocked I could only read the title of the product, which mentions something about wireless.

HDMI to composite adapters exist, tho. We could use whichever board and it would still work.

>I see people walking around with 'Gamer' headphones, with big boom mics attached.

And they look like tryhards.

That said, the Ozone Spark have some really sleek mic mechanism that can be modded with ease. You would just have to cut the tip of the mic and attach your display there. A shame they are worthless as headphones (they aren't absolutely horrid in terms of audio quality, but fuck, do they break with ease). They are relatively cheap, too.

People will notice it's not a mic, though.

>Wireless USB

Be sure to check the model allows for encrypted connections, or else you would be leaking passwords all over the place. I would suggest a small wired keyboard instead, but they don't exist.

Alternatively, add WiFi to the board and make a network with your laptop and the glasses so you can SSH into the SBC.

>>41297

good post, good points

>>41362

>1. can you give an example of wearable hardware that is actually useful and not just a marketing scam?

People make wearables out of single board computers, and no one is marketing shit.

>2. it's difficult to find open-source hardware

Yeah, Google is *SO* *TOUGH*. Also, your laptop isn't open source either, so quit being a bitch.

>3. it's difficult to find open-source drivers

Bullshit. Aside from one or two closed source drivers, the CHIP and Pi are well over 90% OS.

>4. people don't feel like compiling their own kernel

First, faggots are scared of compiling a kernel. Second, there's no fucking reason to with any available SBC.

>5. documentation for anything hardware-related is REALLY bad.

Just making shit up now? HW documentation is great, and the Pi and CHIP both have active communities supporting them.

>6. making video games and having power over infinity is more fun

Now imagine you made video games for wearables that everyone had? A whole new paradigm?

>7. i guess the main reason is that if you have the choice between becoming a game programmer or a hardware programmer ..

Lemme stop you right there. First, you aren't either, or you'd know programming is programming. Especially between Linux SBC systems. If you've managed to hack something together in a game engine that gives you a reacharound while you're doing it, don't go flattering yourself and thinking you know shit about shit. This fucking post is already proof you need to shut the fuck up and lurk some more.

>lots of people can't afford to buy hardware gadgets to play with

Yeah, the $5 Pi Zero and the $9 CHIP are *SO* expensive.

Why the fuck are you even posting? Just trying justify sticking with GameMaker instead of trying something that might be hard?

>>41364

>Holy fuck he got mad. Are you marketing Pi or why all the buttfrustration?

Never said 'Pi' where I didn't say 'CHIP', and really the CHIP looks like the better deal with built in wifi, smaller than a standard Pi, built in battery and not supporting a bunch of /pol/ faggots or 'giving brouzouf to corrupt fucks who also happen to be "goobydigabbers are literally rapists" zealots'

So, a Pi salesman I am not.

I'm not angry, I just saw a list of misinformation and whiny bullshit, and thought it could use some correcting.

>>41360

>Well, skipping all the /pol/ faggotry …

>I am sorry I don't want to fund people who insult me.

Moot point kids. the C.H.I.P. is 9$, supports wifi/blutooth/NTSC out of the box, and has battery and charging support.

>The composite out for the pi pairs with the two linked above.

>Wew lad, it does actually use cables.

Double checked you two, yep, TV connector and power.

>I see people walking around with 'Gamer' headphones, with big boom mics attached.

>And they look like tryhards.

Again, both agree on headphones …

So, you've got $50 for a display, 9$ for the computer, and $10 for the battery … add that to headphone boom-mic and you've got a decent little wearable.

Except keyboard. I'd go Twiddler3, which supports both wired and blutooth, except it costs twice what the rest of the rig would run me.

Anyone know of a hackaday one-handed keyboard? Might have to design one.

>>41363

this dude mad af smdh

>>41333

>>41334

Just wanted to tag these posts above as mine, as well as follow up with some other people from this thread.

>>41336

>They do look pretty clunky when clipped on regular glasses

You're absolutely right, which is why I think it might be a better to model some glasses for this specific purpose.

Alternatively, we could pair the glasses with a more powerful computer that could be worn on the wrist or a key chain; however, latency and power consumption might become an issue.

I like the suggestion that it should be attached to a pair of headphones instead, since we would have even more space for hardware and power storage.

>>41338

I can use cad, and some philosophical support would be cool for marketing.

>"Model >9000"

Perfect.

>>41344

As with any consumer electronics company, we would need to patent our product and sign some forms in order to create an LLC.

Once we have the patent, we could then release the patent for everyone to use; therefore keeping it out of the clutches of any other corperation.

This would be good for us, because it would give us almost instant rep among new wearable hobbyists; not only would we create our own market, but we would dominate it as well.

>>41346

>I could try to help with the software side

Any help is good, even that which requires nig rigging something.

>>41351

>I've ordered a Pi Zero, and I'm going to wire that to one of those displays linked earlier in the thread.

>>41357

These applications would be awesome, and flipping it out of the way would be a major boon to not looking like a tryhard.

>>41368

So far CHIP is winning out over the rest; I, too, think that chip would be our best bet, frankly.

Be sure to let us know how it works out.

>>41351

>I've ordered a Pi Zero, and I'm going to wire that to one of those displays linked earlier in the thread.

be sure to let us know how it goes.

>>41363

>video games

I definitely agree with you that AR games/media will become a part of our every day lives should smart glasses become more widespread. Imagine how cool it would be to go to a historical site and see crowded buildings where there are now ruins, or going to a museum and being able to attain a wealth of knowledge on specific items that you find interesting. With games, I can imagine FPS's that uses hand gestures as weapons and the world around you as an arena. Even more exciting would be an RPG that would augment your every day life; each food item that you purchase would give you boosts, each book you read would increase your stats; Supermarkets and shops would become guild strongholds. Now that would be some cool shit.

>>41384

I think you're right about it being a relatively modular and 'simple' project.

I know I've seen several online people have made, but most of them are TERRIBLE. I think we should all just start posting pics of custom wearables and have a conversation about what would look less terrible.

Ultimately building one is about one step harder than hooking up a VCR.

One major issue is that the screen resolution is almost always 320x240. So, I think what we need is a simple interface (Python?), that allows us to do basic functions in that tight amount of space. Maybe a simple, modular, menu system.

>>41368

>Anyone know of a hackaday one-handed keyboard? Might have to design one.

This is what you're looking for: http://hackaday.com/2015/11/29/strike-a-chord-with-this-pocket-keyboard/

Seriously, it was ON HACKADAY YOU LAZY SOD.

Anyway, it's blutooth, encrypted, and even has a plugin for mouse capability.

>>41391

That one is shit. Best one is the septambic keyer that you mold to your hand, the one that professor built.

Plain jane monocular displays are cool, but where do I get micro-displays I could put in the corner of a pair of glasses? I heard you can get those in 1024x768. Transparent would work too.

>>41399

I had a chance to look at the glass and a few of their competitors over the years, and most non-monocular displays use a screen, which the glass (positioned in front of your eye) reflects.

Obviously the display has to be adjusted for this setup to work.

alternatively, I guess you could find or produce some sort of microprojector, I I'm afraid that brightness might become an issue

Theoretically, I'm sure you could make it with a screen from one of those monocles and a piece of clear plastic.

>>41462

Over-ear headphones should be used. If you wear in-ear hearing protection for too long and/or insert the plugs too often it'll build up wax deep in your ears. There isn't a safe way to clean earwax out of your ear canal. If you shove q-tips in there you'll break an eardrum, if you use a liquid solvent you risk drying out your ear canal and opening it up to infection. Conversely, over ear headphones might need some kind of ventilation.

Did you know that there are crowdsource services which will point out police roadblocks and speed traps? I'm not aware of such a network that's useful for pedestrians, but generally as a pedestrian random search and seizure doesn't happen as often.

The IR LEDs don't work on many cameras, and in general they make you stand out if you walk through an area where the cameras are monitored. Wear a brimmed hat for overhead cameras. Your HUD glasses should be tinted and polarized so hi-res cameras can't do a retinal scan for a positive ID. If you need to conceal your lower face then wear a smog mask like the Chinese do.

>>41297

This pretty much answers OP.

Part of the discrepancy of real life with actual cyberpunk is related to how in the 80s, electronics were presumed to continue to reduce in price to the point they would be cheap and/or accessible enough to mess around with even for the poorest street rat. Obviously, this never happened in real life, in part thanks to muh environmentalism.

>>41532

Maybe if we 3D print them off we can make them as cheap as the 3rd world laptop project.

Make it to take a standard SIM card and run a smartphone OS.

Include crypto software and a camera detector as standard, that'd piss off all the right people.

Any thoughts on the Lilypad?

http://lilypadarduino.org/?cat=15

Sure, the projects listed may not seem cyberpunk enough, but it's made to work with things you wear and works great with conductive thread.

I used it years ago with an xBee on a glove to have access to wifi for a work project, so things could work out more or less with ease, depending on your needs.

I got one of those toy scouters before and wondered if it could be modified into something functional. Please let us have a way to actually read power levels.

http://pinlights.info/

>2014+2

>still nothing but one paper and one prototype

At some conference ine if the guys behind this thing said

that they were forced to work on a very tight budget,

so this thing is easy to diy,

but Nvidia&Co will probably rape your ass with patent lawsuits if you actually try.

>>41334

This really is an awesome idea and I'd love to see /cyber/ make something. I'm still a relatively new software developer, but I'd love to help.

>>41310

>no actual pics of the device

>all shitty renders

>vga res

And the other one

>shitty oakley ripoff

>qvga res

Nope

>>41288

The google glass failed because it looked like shit

Sure the $1500 price didn't help specially considering how weak the specs were because it was actually a $350 device, but it failed because it was goofy as fuck and made other people nervous

So basically you need something that looks as inconspicuous as possible, which means a screen built into a regular eyeglasses' frame

>inb4 "b-but thats not cyber!"

And neither is getting punched because someone thinks you're filming them

On the other hand we could build a cyberdeck which would be much easier since you can use any visor since you don't need a transparent display

You can build one right-fucking-now using a google cardboard, your phone and a bt keyboard

There are already VR desktop apps for android like vid related that create a VR user interface

The guy from Leap Motion gives some insight into future of VR. There are some interesting notions about the components future devices will use.

http://blog.leapmotion.com/soccer-balls-galaxies-david-holz-future-vr-inputs-sensors/

Found a link on Reddit. Looks like someone is doing the headset thing:

http://coredumpproject.tumblr.com/post/144853399442/wip-my-xybernaut-inspired-lsdj-headphones-are

>>41777

If I remember correctly, there are some glove-things on instructables. Also, a few years ago there was an indiegogo campaign for a bluetooth ring that you could place on your thumb and recognized the phallanx you touched with your thumb, altough I don't know if it ever came to light.

You could attempt to do that with a myo as well, I think

So, I'm not the best at tech shit, though I'm learning bit by bit(pun intended), but here's an idea.

What you really want to do with wearable computing is keep the power draw low, the functionality high, and have as little bulk as possible, amirite?

So here's an idea. Use one of the aforementioned cheap monocular displays. Connect it to some form of computer with wifi access, or at least bluetooth functionality.

Think of the things you have on smartphones and eliminate all the extra bells and whistles you don't need, such as a camera, accelerometer, etc.

With that in mind, simply utilize a cheap, flexible touchscreen display connected to an arduino-based computer, wear it on the offhand wrist, and display a keyboard on it. Power it with a lipo battery or two, and you can essentially just take the wristband off as well as the monocular, toss them in your jacket pocket or bag or whatever, and go. The key difficulty seems to be in keeping the form factor small.

>>41313

Excuse me, my vest is quite sexy.

>>41859

Okay, someone needs to link this 'vest'

I am talking with some engineers at a hardware company about wearable computers. We might come up with something that could be just right for 8chan. I know I want one that is not forced to use Google, that I can run on gnu.

>>41958

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-bYSC6OT6s

>>41288

I've got the schematics to the prototype Pebble smartwatch if anybody wants it. More of a PoC development board, but still neat. Eric Migi gave them to me a few years back.

>>41288

>Where are all the people wearing custom wearable hardware and carrying around awesome custom laptops?

In Asia.

However, the fashionable wearable stuff is not any more functional than a smart phone.

The only good, affordable wearable that serves a real purpose is:

http://www.reconinstruments.com/products/jet/

And there is one security analyst with huge breast implants who builds real stuff.

https://imgur.com/a/c4WNF

> the Wu Ying Shoes (无影鞋)! - Penetration Testing Platform Heels! "Wu Ying" means “shadowless", the name is from the folk hero Wong Fei Hung’s (黄飞鸿) famous "shadowless kick" (无影脚).

>>41982

Bullshit, the recon is about as custom as the glass, and that stupid Chinese chick hasn't made anything more interesting than a light up skirt and shoes with a hidden compartment. No wearable tech, or 'tech' at all.

Look around on tumblr, there are a few white kids making wearables. No one cares, of course, because they don't have tits.

>>42012

Who cares what color the makers are? Ben Heck is an old white dude who just made an awesome portable hacking machine.

If he were sexy, you would know who he is.

>>41288

it requires effort most people are lazy, which is why apple exists.

>>41310

>OP was right, though. The reason no one does it is because Cyberpunk is worse than Steampunk. We don't even make anything.

We make a ton of software which is far more useful than a fucking plastic top hat with gears glued to it

I'd like to penetration test Sexycyborg, if you know what I mean.

Aren't LCDs at least semi-transparent (uh, I think translucent is the word) when they're not displaying anything? If light was shone through the glass holding the crystal, would the light reflect of the pixels that were activated? Maybe that makes no sense, but that's something I've always wondered.

I think if I ever had a head-mounted display, I'd want it to be at least semi-transparent so as not to loose depth sense. Id' also want it to look as close to normal glasses as possible. I think what'd be best would be to have as little circuitry in the glases, and a wire down your back and to a little box in your pocket, or something slightly more permanent, perhaps fixed to skin, permanently or otherwise.

>>42915

Same user, there is also Electro-luminous material that is almost completely transparent while no current is present, however I'm not sure what kinda resolutions would be possible with this.

>>42916

Meant to link this, shows the scienc-y bit https://youtu.be/am5aHDytIuc?t=3m16s

>>41310

Link 1 broken, having trouble finding more like it. Anybody got any leads on something like this?

i have been tossing around the idea for a couple of months now of using the rpi zero paired with one of adafruits tiny composite video screens and using a wireless keyboard and mousepad combined into one thing with it. i would make a program in python that displayed the time and weather information that would launch by triggering one of the gpio pins on it with a pushbutton and exit the same way. when i exited it would revert to its tiny desktop and i would use the miniature keyboard with it. i would use a tiny composite video screen that i would view through an aspheric lens and because of its tiny size mount it on some glasses as a monocular hmd.

>>41815

you would want to use an actual pc, not a microcontroller.if you want cheap, small, but powerful stuff, check out orange pi. they are some company that makes INSANELY cheap and tiny computers

>>41384

one way is to position the screen against a prism and have everything on the screen be backwards so when it reflects through the prism it looks normal

http://www.kopin.com/capabilities/OLED-Displays/

I really hope this will drive down the cost of decent-res microdisplays, a 1920x1200 OLED at sub-inch scale would be a phenomenal step forward here.

We should look into how the optics would be handled. My vote is for something simple and transparent like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C4kIrdg5x0 but ideally projected to appear some distance away from the user. Does anyone know a way to find/make lenses?

If you've wanted to try Google Cardboard but haven't wanted to fuck with　making/buying the physical element, the current Happy Meal toy at McDonalds is a Batman-themed stereoscope that works with it.

one could use a CHIP with an adafruit ntsc output screen thats .96 in diagonally and necessary lenses (aspheric i think). plus a small bluetooth keyboard, youd be golden and could develop augmented reality apps for it. since CHIP has gpio pins one could interface a heart rate monitor of a temperature sensor or something.

>>45679

we could charge it wirelessly, inductive dealio. but it connecting wirelessly and such a small battery would be an issue, im thinking more of a wrist mounted, larger version that is glossy and clean so it blends in well but still serves the same purpose. plus, a larget version could allow buttons on each side like for select of on/off etc

>>42914

could use a graphene supercap ofr something, but thats far off in the future.

in all seriousness, graphene is /cyber/s wet dream come true

>>45752

It kinda works, but holding this thing together is really awkward.

Plus another minor issue: since batman-stereoscope's lenses have longer focal distance, barrel-effect reduction filter in software ends up overcompensating.

And really, getting yourself a pair of lenses and pizza box really is not that more expensive. if you live in a first world country, unlike me.

The whole beauty of Google Cardboard is how simple it is.

Also, turns out there're no VR-apps in Fdroid, wtf. Ended up testing with some glitchy webgl pages in a browser.

>>45867

Now that looks schway.

>>41969

shit I forgot about that literal faggot

>>45915

Now if he would just make a tutorial or something! It definitely looks 3D printed.

>>45679

>As for everyone else, if you want to go underground, things that stick off out from your face and make you look like a freak are the worst items to wear when it comes to being clandestine. Compterizing every-day items, even if the end result looks _somewhat_ gaudy, is the way to go. Be inconspicuous.

If you want to be inconspicuous, hack from a Walmart computer, off anow unremarkable USB boot drive.

If you want to make a statement, like a punk, about not using gear that rats you out to the cops, make something huge answer showy. Wear it on your face. Make people ask you why you don't just suck Google cock like everyone else.

>>42914

Nod was working on a ring based on the same concept. I can't find what happened to the concept but at one point there were pre-orders for the thing. https://www.cnet.com/news/nod-ring-bluetooth-hands-on-wireless-gesture-control-for-gadgets/

>>42914

What about one of those rings that has a connection to a bracelet? I remember seeing goths wear those, so maybe it'll be cybergoth? :)

>>46060

I think i saw a review for this, or something very similar. They essentially came to the conclusion that it was purely a gimmick. I worked about 40% of the time, and the things it could actually do weren't particularly useful.

We'd need to build something from the ground up. It has to work 100% of the time, and thus only support a few gestures. And, as I also said, the OS needs to be completely designed around these gestures. The two have to go together for it to be good, in my opinion.

I've honestly given up on such physical things.

it doesn't seem worth the 25$ when i spend 99% of my time sitting in front of my computer anyways.

>>46133

I think it's more about a statement. A wearable is deeply personal. It's like a spiked and painted leather jacket.

It says 'I don't need Google or Apple to build my things for me and tell me what I should want. I don't want a managed ecosystem with all the 'bad' stuff edited out. I don't want to carry your ad-box around, while it rats me out to the cops.'

But, mostly, it says 'Fuck You' to everyone who bought an apple watch, thinking it would make them cool.

If you didn't build it, you don't own it.

Just got a raspberry pi zero, hooked it to a phone power pack and stuck it in my pocket. I can remote to it from my phone!

I want to add a screen.

What are the best wearable screens?

>>46232

extra cheap but good

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3-0-inch-TFT-LCD-Touch-Screen-Module-240-x-400-SPI-RGB-Display-For-Raspberry/32713346673.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10345_10342_10343_10340_10341_10541_10084_10083_10304_10307_10302_10539_10312_10313_10059_10314_10534_100031_10604_10603_10103_10605_10596_10107_10142,searchweb201603_14,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=7262674d-76d8-41aa-a2ff-0c55f97bc709-39&algo_pvid=7262674d-76d8-41aa-a2ff-0c55f97bc709&rmStoreLevelAB=5

>>46232

Where do you want to wear it? I have a nice 5" on my wrist, and a micro-display over my left eye.

Depends on what you want to do with it.

>>48602

I think, for me, it has more to do with the DIY attitude. If you're spending tonnes of brouzouf on bullshit, then I'll judge you accordingly.

On the other hand, if you're sporting a cuff with a cool display, and maybe an 8266 based De-Auther sneaked into the band, I'm going to think that's a lot cooler, even if it's a simple project.

Mostly, I think people need to express a personal connection to what they're wearing. I don't care if you look like dork, if you made it, and you like it, you can wear it, and I'll think it's cool.

>>48602

>there's probably some utility in it that I'm missing

from what I understand, some people use jewelry as basically safe emergency cash. You spend a bunch of brouzouf on a fancy gold ring and then when times are tough you can sell it off and make most of the brouzouf back, since the price of precious materials doesn't change that much.

That's the only practical use I can think of, but I don't really own any jewelry so I'm not sure.

>>48602

I think, historically, it has been a way of displaying success among peers.

First, by making things fancy at all, showing you have spare time. Then by making the things expensive, showing you have spare money.

Punk adornments were often at the cost of having pierced the skin, and at the cost of being socially ostracized. So, shaving your head, piercing your nose, getting a tattoo, wearing spikes and whatnot, was a way to separate yourself from 'normal' society. The more permanent the separation, the more respect earned among peers.

Many cultures vary on what they're trying to communicate to their peer group, but they all serve the same basic social function.

I imagine 'Cyberpunk' being more a matter of communicating technical ability. Also, in the case of implants, communicating a willingness to endanger personal health and well being to be modified.

>>48593

can you share pics or at least a link to the display? I want to put a sbc, microdisplay, and ir camera in a motorcycle helmet

>>48744

You don't want a micro-display in a helmet. The issue being that it needs to be directly over your eye, which would make you blind in that eye.

I've been toying with the idea of using a 2" display and a Fresnel lens so I can have a display mounted in the lower left-hand of my vision, but where I'd need to look down to see it, so it doesn't get in the way of actually riding a motorcycle. Add that to a pi, and I can have some fun riding around, looking at network traffic and maybe hook up a SDR and go looking for signals.

>>48748

I was thinking of using a hud-like semitransparent reflector. I haven't given the optics much thought but projecting white letters over the world before you should be doable. A rearview camera or bike info (speed, temps, police radar) would be sick

>>48618

>>48620

That's actually not a bad idea. Holding a lot of brouzouf could definitely be cumbersome, especially if you just want some backup brouzouf or savings. I myself have misgivings about banks (still use one, though) and am constantly on the look out for viable alternatives.

Thanks shazbot.

>>48749

Something like this? https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/nuviz-head-up-display?gclid=Cj0KCQiAgs7RBRDoARIsANOo-Hi9iN8leelRzuq91d_9r6Iysfd_TVunFbxi_qAaHyv616NVkm66jxwaAmiUEALw_wcB

>>48757

yeah but that costs a ton of brouzouf and doesn't appear far enough in fromt of you

>>48769

If you need to go cheap, take a SPI display, mount it so it's facing up, and then use a piece of semi-transparent plastic, like an old CD case cover, to reflect it into your eye.

Here's a quick how-to on the display: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vuK5w8o8dg

>>48592

I am searching for something similar but with hdmi, the RPI and the display together would make a lot of weight to carry on the head. Please guys, if you have any ideas let me know

>>48969

Problem is, if you don't keep them together then you've got an HDMI cable that ends up being 25% of your final weight, and 90% of the reason you won't to wear it.

Also, HDMI vs. Composite isn't going to be that noticeable with a microdisplay, since they're usually low resolution (320x240 - 800x600).

I've had reasonably good luck just running 320x240 and 640x480, but at some point you have to accept that you won't be doing the same work on a wearable computer that you do on a laptop.

>>48997

But if I keep them together I can't use an attacked trackpad in my -the things you have on jeans and jacket you use to carry things, sorry I don't remember the term-

And the raspberry has an HDMI port so I tought it would be the best thing to.buy a monitor rich has an HDMI port too.

Sorry that's the first time I try to actually make something, if you have advices please tell me

>>49001

Pockets :)

Could you get away with a shoulder mount? Maybe a backpack? Seems easier than a cord running down your whole torso.

You can get hdmi to composite adapter cables if you can't find a cheap hdmi display.

I'm sort of disappointed in how smartwatches have developed. IDGAF about being able to google shit by talking to my watch… I don't need a miniphone strapped to my wrist. I want a timepiece that does other more analog stuff… I don't see a reason a smartwatch shouldn't have an IR blaster or something like that. Give me tools my phone doesn't already have.

>>49019

Yeah I agree. Smartwatches or smartbracers would be fantastic if they were developed for more tech savvy users but I think the lowest common denominator being the main market right now sort of just screws the pooch. You will never have HAM radio frequencies in your radio, at this point they're quick-click answer buttons and calendars. I hope we get some crom shit soon.

>>49023

I like where your head is at, the only issue is you're both expecting 'them' to build it for you.

If you want a 'tech bracer', you'll have to make one. Luckily, that's now a $30 project, and you can learn everything you need to know on YouTube.

So, let's brainstorm. What *SHOULD* a wearable do? We know we don't want to try to do 'laptop' jobs with them, and we know we don't like current watches.

So, what DO we want?

>>49033

The problem is that phones and computers have become such versatile tools that most things you could do with wearable tech, you can do with a phone, especially if it's something small like a wrist bracelet or something. Some things I'd like to see that might work on a watch like object

>Extra memory

>A projector for a keyboard

Maybe something like a combat training routine? Tracks the movement of your hands And let's you know when you're out of position

>>49035

>carry full Unix machine on your wrist and only use other computers as a dumb terminal connecting to it over serial port.

>>45867

I want those glasses they look schway

The HUD not so much

BTW I want to build this one in the video but imports are next to impossible in my country.

>>48593

>Where do you want to wear it? I have a nice 5" on my wrist, and a micro-display over my left eye.

Dude pics please

>>49043

Forgot to add: I seen some guys using prism displays like what gglass has but fuckers wont say where they got them. Some guy built a really shit-tier one using regular transparent plastic from a CD case and superglue, looked ghetto af but it worked

in case you plebs haven't seen this latest nonsense:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/5/16966530/intel-vaunt-smart-glasses-announced-ar-video

>>49340

Yeah, but 400 x 150 pixels … that's worse than an old TV. 320x240 is already terrible, and you can't even use it for a terminal without over-driving it and dealing with a fuzzy picture.

400 x 150 pixels is basically useless, except for custom apps that are designed for ultra low resolution. It's basically QVGA widescreen.

Once they get the resolution up, and standardize on an image format and driver software, though, it could be awesome. I just don't think it's there yet.

>>49341

You need custom software anyway, since you don't have conventional input either.

>>49342

I think the technology just needs to mature a little. Once they break 640x480 with a standard, wireless, interface I'll be on board.

I might even go in at 320x240 if the drivers are there for something like a Pi Zero.

>>49343

The 320x240 displays I've seen are driven by a tv signal which the Pi Zero can produce you mong. I wish there was a 640x480 screen in the sub $100 range (I've seen one at $100).

>>49343

Well, it uses Bluetooth which is a bit insecure for my tastes, but is pretty standard.

It was even easier to work with than usb for diy purposes last time I checked

>>49341

320x240 is fine for a terminal with a 3x5 font

>>49349

I'm losing Daedalus!

So just to get some ideas from you guys, as I'm out of inspiration, how would you operate a HUD/reflex display like this? I've thought of several methods:

- small scroll wheel that can click

- mini joystick

- D-pad

But all of this seems unintuitive and based on scrolling menus.

>>49356

It's a HUD/reflex display, you don't operate it, you just use it to watch some telemetry and occasional warning message.

touchpad in your mouth that you operate with your tongue

>>49356

Realistically? A wireless keyboard carried in a keyboard holster. >>49358 has it right; you won't get a high level of interaction while you're on the go so it's better to just keep it displaying useful things.

>>49340

Same as >>49043 just that being intel it will be expensive as fuck and backdoored

Also fucking lasers right next to your eyes, no thanks

>>49341

>>49343

The google glass was already 640x480. It used a micro LCD like the ones in video glasses

New ones go to 720p

>>49343

How you fit a pizero on some frames?

>>49356

A joystick where your wristwatch would be, or a touchpad on the side of your glasses like the gearVR but good luck finding a small one

I wonder if someone has made a keyboard+pc+projector combo…

>>49361

>>49356

You could also use a trackball.

>>49361

>The google glass was already 640x480. It used a micro LCD like the ones in video glasses

New ones go to 720p

These new glasses use a laser painting directly on the eye. So, it's a different technology all together, and also they are lower res than 320x240.

You are correct, though, that micro-displays in general are catching up.

> How you fit a pizero on some frames?

Pi Zero is only the size of a stick of gum, and with the 'W' model, you can use a wireless keyboard/mouse combo or your phone to control it.

The battery is the real challenge. You can get some tiny batteries, but with wifi and bluetooth, they don't last long.

>>49373

And if you could fit more than 12 of them on a line. Also, practically any terminal program is worthless because the lines all stack up.

>>49371

I rather not get a laser in my eye made by a company that leaves tons of backdoors on their chips

And the zero is still too big, any alternatives?

>>49376

You could use a Pi Compute module, and you might lose a little weight.

I think the CHIP SBC is a tiny bit smaller, but probably not worth any extra hassle.

>>49377

Sure, you can drive a really low-res screen from an arduino, but then you're limited to applications you can run on an arduino, and that's very, very, limited.

I think it's worth an added 7mm per side to have a full linux machine. Granted, battery power becomes a problem, but I can hardly imagine a use for anything as low powered as an arduino.

Also, what you posted is fine, but you can drive an NTSC micro-display from an arduino, so if you wanted to make a wearable arduino, that would probably be a better option than a full size display like that.

>>49378

There's no value added to have a full linux machine on your face as opposed to, for example, in your pocket.

>>49381

Wrong. Proximity to the display greatly simplifies wiring. Instead of power and signal you just have to run power. I'd much rather have a heavy power pack at my hip than a heavy power pack and a fragile computer.

>>49381

>>49383

Users, you guys are what makes this board great.

Fwiw I think you're both right. You'll get a quick powerful prototype with a raspi 0, and you'll get refined artwork worth bragging about with a SoC and a pi in your pocket. A wearable suite necessitates the latter, but you can iterate faster with the former.

Mostly I don't think the screen problem is really solved yet, though I'd enjoy being proven wrong. Get after it, chummers.

>>49383

>Instead of power and signal you just have to run power

If you're running power already, signal isn't going to be that much additional bulk. If you can pass the signal over USB, there's your power as well.

My biggest issue is use cases. Maybe I've gotten less imaginative in the past few years, but I can't see any good use cases that aren't covered already by smartphones with better implementations than you'd get any time soon in a wearable.

>>49383

Except you can have a 10k mah powerbank with a full-size rpi or more powerful board (beagle, odroid) in your waist/belt (or pocket) with a very lightweight pair of glasses with built-in HUD, audio and maybe even camera(s) and only a few cables you could disguise as headphones

Also way more lightweight

>>49389

With a good visor (at least VGA) you could get a live map for navigation so you dont have to take your phone out

Add voice controls and you can reply to messages or send commands

You can also get silent alerts (only shows on the hud) about stuff like someone breaking into your place, your servers going down, etc

>>49377

>Intel has the luxury of having access to chip fabricator.

Not just that but to throw brouzouf at something

Also they tend to abandon shit that doesnt sells pretty soon leaving all users to get fucked with no support at all

They did that went they changed from sockets to slots and then back to sockets, every time they change sockets for no reason and more recently when they abandoned the mobile market after little more than a year because they weren't outselling ARM

>>49389

>If you're running power already, signal isn't going to be that much additional bulk.

Having even a light, thin, wire running from your glasses down your body to a belt constantly knocks the glasses in an awkward angle and catches on things. I did that design for one of my early wearables, and it was miserable. Even with a simple 2-wire composite signal in a super thin/flexible cable, it was terrible.

Take into consideration that most modern micro-displays use HDMI, and it's a deal breaker. Your glasses will get pushed out of focus every time you turn your head.

> My biggest issue is use cases.

This is definitely the biggest issue, since building a wearable computer is a dead simple task with currently available SBCs and micro-displays.

I've found headphones to be the best fit for my use cases, since simply having something that plays music on its own, without needing my phone or access to the internet, is good enough to justify the $100 in hardware. I've seen some pics on the here of other people doing the same, so I know I'm not alone there.

As for use cases, outside of having an MP3 player built-in to your headphones, I use it for the regular stuff people would use a Raspberry Pi for, mostly emulating old games and systems.

One nice use is to have a chat window open with a friend that doesn't make you have to minimize your work if you're doing something on your main computer. I'll often just have a little Bluetooth keyboard next to my laptop, have some music playing through my headphones, and my chat program open with a friend typing away, while I'm also working full screen on some art in GIMP on my laptop.

I've found some good use cases for them. Enough so that I'm working on a new, more compact, design with some more features right now.

>>49412

>Last time I played with voice input way back in early 2000's, it was able to recognize operator and distinguish him from other speakers. Not perfectly, but still. It's not even that hard of a job as far as I am aware.

Yeah, sure - if it's trained. Microsoft's voice recognition software has, for a very long time, required you to read to it in order to figure out what you're saying, which will also teach it to recognize the operator's voice specifically. But it's also trash and nobody uses it unless they're literally blind and rely on voice commands for basic functions. As far as I'm aware (since I virtually never use it), modern voice recognition does not rely on training, but on better word detection. The upshot is that you don't need to read to your device so it knows what you're saying, the downshot is that anyone can use it. That's why there was that rash of news stories about Alexa getting triggered by TV ads and the like, and now Amazon is patenting tech to make sure that Alexa can recognize ads by playing very high or very low pitched sounds during said ads.

>spoiler

Mozilla announced a speech recognition platform called DeepSpeech a few months ago. There's CMU Sphinx, which is under a BSD-type license and works offline. Others I'm seeing on wikifagia include Julius, Kaldi, iATROS (dead for the past 8 years), and wav2letter. Looks like CMU and Julius have decent support for user interfaces, through Jasper Project and Simon.

>Honestly, our processors get beefier and software grows fatter, but actual features are not only not polished, they go missing now.

Bloat in modern software is fucking horrifying, sometimes I hate myself for getting into operations. Why is it so hard to write well-optimized code? Why does a simple webpage need to pull down a trillion JS thingies and 5mb of data, not counting ads? Did everyone forget what responsiveness is, and that it's more important than their fancy sliding multi-layer backgrounds and text boxes? I'm on gigabit fiber and yet mainstream websites alone are so bloated that it makes the browser chug on my first gen i7. I swear, half the appeal of reddit is that it runs well and that the userbase doesn't know about the simplicity of imageboards.

And that's just websites, not local software. Windows is a fucking nightmare, and even ganoo loonix isn't what it used to be unless you go completely barebones. Windows 98 ran faster on my single-core pentium 3 laptop with 64mb of RAM than windows 7 runs on my i7 860 (4c8t 2.8ghz) with 16gb of RAM, and yet I use win7 for the exact same shit that I used win98, save for current vidya gaems.

It's a gigantic clusterfuck that needs to collapse.

>>49402

You should have used one of those curly spring wires cops and agents use for their earpieces

>and micro-displays.

Where can you find those small displays? I don't mean the tiny arduino oleds but the tiny screens those movie glasses have

>>49411

>But then you're just hooking it into your phone, instead of doing something that's custom and schway.

My phone is already custom and schway and it can take care of this stuff so why carry yet another brick?

>using alexa

Thats the mistake you're doing, you should use a selfhosted VA that does voice recognition and will only take commands from your voice pattern

Dont use any megacorp VA like alexa, they listen to what you do 24/7

>>49411

You're just adding more stuff to an already bulky, cumbersome, rig. Now you basically have goggles instead of glasses. I wore glasses for 30 years, trust me those straps get uncomfortable in a hurry.

But, look, you're arguing hypotheticals to someone who's been doing this for over a decade. I've gone from strapping displays to hats, glasses, wires to a belt pack, a jacket pocket, the whole thing in a jacket, the whole thing in the glasses, and finally I'm on headphones.

I'm trying to tell you what I've learned from experience, what I've found I will, and will not, bother to put on and wear around after I've built it.

Maybe your thresholds for comfort, encumbrance, etc … are different than mine.

Stop arguing about it, and build something. Report back after with some real opinions.

>>49415

>Where can you find those small displays?

You can buy Kopin components direct from AliExpress. I highly recommend using the ones that have a composite input to start with, because soldering HDMI is not for beginners.

>>49417

>someone who's been doing this for over a decade

post pictures

>>49417

FINALLY someone who's actually bought the stuff. What res did you get, how many did you buy, what did it cost, and did you get ripped off? I'd like to try using a microdisplay with desktop resolution but everything on aliexpress looks so fishy I couldn't be bothered.

>>49422

Sorry, I was going to come back with links to the models I've bought, but the two I got, and in fact ANY complete Kopin displays, were gone. I could find one of the modules on alibaba, but at a minimum of 50 orders.

I also bought a reasonable LCD that came with suction cups that attached to your glasses, and that was only $50 fully working. I hated the microUSB plug, but it was easily rewired. I can't even find those anymore.

You can, currently, buy VG260 video glasses, which have 320x240 NTSC displays in them that are really very good, for what they are, on Aliexpress, but after shipping it's about $100, and I bought 2 of those at $60 a year or two ago.

If anyone else can find better deals, link them. It seems like the micro LCD display market dried up quite a bit since the last time I was buying.

>>49423

I'm looking at a WVGA display for $80 on AliExpress. It takes Composite, and would save me the hassle of tearing down a pair of glasses.

Has anyone tried these?

Here's a link: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/FPV-Monocular-display-suite-AV-input-80-inch-Screen-Monocular-Display/32832774163.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.6.7b8f1607WOUhQi&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10130_10324_10342_10547_10325_10343_10546_10340_10548_10341_10545_10084_10083_10618_10307_5722316_5711211_10313_10059_10534_100031_10629_10103_10626_10625_10624_10623_10622_10621_10620_10142,searchweb201603_2,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=32a48157-0455-4d09-b54c-0f578140b7fe-0&algo_pvid=32a48157-0455-4d09-b54c-0f578140b7fe&transAbTest=ae803_5&priceBeautifyAB=0

>>49439

The dude who made that headset was originally inspired by the guys in the pic you replied to. Funny how that works.

>>49423

>I also bought a reasonable LCD that came with suction cups that attached to your glasses, and that was only $50 fully working. I hated the microUSB plug, but it was easily rewired. I can't even find those anymore.

Can you post a pic?

>You can, currently, buy VG260 video glasses, which have 320x240 NTSC displays in them that are really very good

Anyone selling those displays separately? you know as parts

>>49434

IIRC the guy on the left actually got real permanent implants on his head and is legally recognized as a cyborg

>>49445

That would be Steve Mann. I remember reading a stoey about him getting harassed by McDonalds.

here's one

https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/exclusive-cyborg-steve-mann-on-alleged-mcdonalds-assault

>>49445

>Can you post a pic?

It was this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w18P8B1ISaU

I can only ever find anything about it by searching 'banggood monocle'.

>Anyone selling those displays separately? you know as parts

I can't find them anywhere but alibaba, where they want me to buy a lot of 50 at least.

So, I've been thinking of doing a mask. What do people think of the idea of a V mask, but with a google glass type display and some other shit to make it look less generic?

>>49504

>less generic

You mean less anonymous? Moron.

>>49535

Is it the HDMI one? If it's HDMI, and not working, make sure you set 'hdmi_safe' to 1. That's just the most compatible HDMI settings all thrown out at once.

Then, the screen may,or may not, scale its self. So, make sure you set the resolution in config.txt to the actual resolution of the screen.

Also, make sure your HDMI and the screens power are both connected, even if you're connected to GPIO. HDMI will not work through GPIO, and some screens are hit and miss for powering themselves off GPIO.

It might help to have a link to the actual screen so we're not just guessing and throwing out general suggestions.

>>49537

Thanks for your kind answer anon but it's not the hdmi one.

It sadly has pins to connect

Here is the link, I tried googling it but no documentation for my Pi3 has benn found

Here is the link: extra cheap but good

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3-0-inch-TFT-LCD-Touch-Screen-Module-240-x-400-SPI-RGB-Display-For-Raspberry/32713346673.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10345_10342_10343_10340_10341_10541_10084_10083_10304_10307_10302_10539_10312_10313_10059_10314_10534_100031_10604_10603_10103_10605_10596_10107_10142,searchweb201603_14,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=7262674d-76d8-41aa-a2ff-0c55f97bc709-39&algo_pvid=7262674d-76d8-41aa-a2ff-0c55f97bc709&rmStoreLevelAB=5

>>49541

Ahh … you're starting on hard mode. Not that hard though.

So, what you want to do is something like this: https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-pitft-28-inch-resistive-touchscreen-display-raspberry-pi/detailed-installation

Basically, TFT is now built into the kernel, but you still have to 'scrape' the frame buffer and write it out the serial interface.

The stuff on Adafruit should be fairly close to what you're doing. You may have to change the configuration to deal with a different controller chip or resolution.

The resolution and controller chip for this model are:

3.0 inch monitor resolution: 240x400

controller: ili9327, ili9326, r615

This video is using something very similar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_F53Cr7Emo

>>49541

I found this link in feedback section at aliexpress:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=180064

It's not for your exact screen model, so make sure to set up resolution correctly and look out for other gotchas.

Also look around the feedback section more yourself, there might be more info posted there.

>>49545

>>49546

>>49545

>>49546

Okay guys thank you, tomorrow I will look into those resources and see what I can do, if I manage to do something worth, be sure I will deliver

This thread is the coolest, most useful, thing on this board.

>>49548

Can we get an update? I'm way too invested in this.

>>49450

Thanks

Personally I would prefer a sort of "holographic" display that wont interfere with my vision

Problem is the only way to it properly would be with one of those really tiny projectors and I can't find parts anywhere

Another option would be to build a prism screen with a LCoS display from those shitty video lenses and building the prism with acrylic (no idea how google does it, two triangles glued together? how they make the image float in midair instead of turning into a rainbow like a regular prism?)

>>49535

Looks way too big for a viewfinder-size anon

>>48602

source on the led tshirt

>>49684

https://makezine.com/2015/07/10/led-shirt-lights-up-when-youre-bombarded-bluetooth/

>>49685

The guy's face looks as if the shirt was burning him or something

>>49669

I think you're mistaken that you need anything expensive or 'special' to do a the sort of pass-through view-finder like is found on Google Glass.

Really, all you need is any clear piece of plastic, angled toward your eye. Anything you can see through, but will also reflect light. An old CD case, a piece of plexi-glass.

Personally, I use clear, rigid, vinyl sheets. They're cheap, and you can cut them with a pair of scissors.

Personally, I don't like making a boxy 'prism', like some do. I prefer a hinge so that I can adjust the angle of the reflector easily.

I'm using a 'mirrored' display on a Pi-Zero right now. It's a cheap 2.2inch SPI, and you have to mirror it in code so that when the reflector bounces the image into your eye, it's properly oriented.

This guide is what inspired my current designs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkl6yVauCKg

>>49697

Dude I'm the one who posted that link above, just wanted to see if I could make a less bulky version with a prism

So you build one? how did it go? got video? pics?

>>49694

So in this case what should I use between the triangles so the image projects there? a piece of polarized film?

>>49702

There's no need to put anything between the two prisms - just stick them together with a see-through adhesive. The join between the two prisms is what reflects the light to your eye. It's essentially the same thing as the angled piece of plastic shown in the video >>49697 posted, but as a cube.

>>49702

> Dude I'm the one who posted that link above, just wanted to see if I could make a less bulky version with a prism

The prism is just added bulk as far as I'm concerned. I like the hinged clear vinyl approach myself.

>So you build one? how did it go? got video? pics?

Yes, but they all link directly back to me in a way I wouldn't want in a chan. Some of my stuff has already been posted here by others.

I'm not done with the two wearables I'm working on at the moment, one of which is very much like what you're describing. I'm sure once I post pics to the usual places, they'll get copied here.

>So in this case what should I use between the triangles so the image projects there? a piece of polarized film?

Again, there is no real need for the triangles or the prisms. This works on the same principal that most glass is partially reflective (not car glass BTW). So, really any clear piece of plastic will likely work. A good test is to take a piece of plastic, and use it to reflect your phone's screen into your eye. There's no magic to it, just hold the phone so the screen faces the plastic, and hold the plastic at a 45 degree angle toward your eye, like you would if it were a mirror and you wanted to bounce the image into your eye.

For almost all clear, flat, pieces of plastic (CD Case, Clear Vinyl, etc …), you'll see a mirror image of your phone screen reflected into your eye.

>>49705

>Some of my stuff has already been posted here by others.

Is it this one? >>45867

>>49794

It's gotta be him. Who the fuck else builds a new wearable computer every six months and posts pics online?

I just assumed he was here a while ago. Anyone saying 'I buy all the different microdisplays to try them', and posting that much information, between here and Reddit. I just don't think there's two of them out there.

>>49798

Link to the reddit thread?

>>49801

/u/m_bishop on reddit. Check /r/cyberpunk, but he mostly posts actual pics on his tumblr. I don't remember what that is, but it's on his sig in /r/cyberpunk that's where I got it. He tags all his own shit with something, so you can search it. I don't remember what though.

If the human mind were a HDD, how large it would be?

>>49805

>Most computational neuroscientists tend to estimate human storage capacity somewhere between 10 terabytes and 100 terabytes, though the full spectrum of guesses ranges from 1 terabyte to 2.5 petabytes.

it's not very effcient though.

>>49815

Specs?

>>49819

Well … The specs say 854×480 (WQVGA). Which is wrong.

854x480 would be WVGA.

WQVGA would be more like 427x240. It can't be both.

So, which is it? Honestly, I'm using mostly 320x240 displays right now, so it'll probably be an improvement in resolution regardless. I'll try running it a few different resolutions, and see what I get.

All I really want is a usable terminal that doesn't kill my eyes. VGA would be plenty, WVGA would be great.

There are a lot o factors though. I've tried a pile of different micro-displays, and haven't really found anything better than tearing the kopin displays out of the VG260 TV-glasses. The optics in those give a much more clear and usable image than even higher resolution displays from other manufacturers.

So, even if it's high res, but shit optics, I might stick with a spare kopin display that's staring at me from my workbench right now, but I've never tried this one, so I had to buy it on the off chance that I get something I can finally drop to a linux terminal.

>Where are all the people wearing custom wearable hardware and carrying around awesome custom laptops?

>Why are so few doing it?

Because anybody who isn't autistic uses a smartphone to do everything a deck could do in a smaller form factor

>>49907

It isn't supposed to be a deck you tard, it's supposed to fit in your pocket and show you information directly, all the time. In that way, it's a better smartphone than anything on the market.

>>49907

>Because anybody who isn't autistic uses a smartphone to do everything a deck could do in a smaller form factor

Are you implying that only autistic people would ever want to watch a movie without having their device rat them out to the authorities?

Do you think you own the music on your phone? Have you ever wondered why, with a phone costing $800 and flash memory costing next to nothing, they charge SO MUCH for an anemic 32GB?

It's because they don't want you to have anything on your phone. They want you to keep it in their cloud, where they can monitor it, and take it away whenever they want.

Building your own devices to mirror the capabilities of your smartphone, without their control, is a quiet act of rebellion.

>>49919

>Building your own devices to mirror the capabilities of your smartphone, without their control, is a quiet act of rebellion.

I feel a manifesto coming on!

>>49979

Still waiting for that new display, but yes, the VG260 are 320x240 resolution, so very, very, low resolution. This makes reading a regular terminal practically impossible.

I do own some higher quality (800x600) glasses that will display a clear terminal very well, but they are bulky and I don't like wearing them very much.

I think the thing to understand, at least for me, is that I'm building devices that lower my privacy footprint. So, I'm not trying to do laptop things on my wearable. I have custom, air-gapped, laptops for doing laptop things, and most laptops are reasonably back-door free anyway.

What I use my wearable for is to do things I wouldn't do with a laptop, can't do with a laptop, or just don't want to do with my phone.

I keep my phone in a faraday pocket in air-plane mode. I pull it out from time to time, jump on the network, check messages and missed calls, etc … but it's not open and on unless I'm using it.

Then, I started paying attention to what I used it for. Music? video games while waiting for a movie to start? Making chip-tunes?

So, now, when I use my phone, I think 'Can I make my wearable do this, so I don't need my phone?'

Now I just pull my phone out when I want to check my messages, and that's about it. My GPS logs say I never leave home or work very much, and I don't get constantly distracted by messages like I used to.

So, the important thing to realize is that a wearable is not a laptop, and you won't do the same things on it that you would a laptop.

>>49919

>Building your own devices to mirror the capabilities of your smartphone, without their control, is a quiet act of rebellion

1) No it isn't

2) There's better alternatives then carrying around a fucking 2x4 made of computer hardware and looking like a shazbot. Hack yourself together a laptop or tablet from the dozens of open-source single-board-computers that are already out there, buy a fucking raspi, do literally anything except this shit

>>50054

Oh, and whatever you make will be easier to read than the cheap chink screens that keep getting posted in these threads

>>50054

>1) No it isn't

Yes it is.

>2) There's better alternatives then carrying around a fucking 2x4 made of computer hardware …

Are you fucking retarded?

This entire thread is about making wearables from arduino and sbc systems.

>whatever you make will be easier to read than the cheap chink screens that keep getting posted…

Kopin, the maker of most of the displays posted here, is an American company.

You're an idiot. Please stop commenting, you're too stupid to be a part of this conversation, and I don't really want to spend the time to keep correcting you.

>>50054

Why live if I have to CARRY things? You know I have no muscle mass

>>49593

I lost the keyboard and cannot replace it right now so i can't work

>>50080

I've seen reviews of the kickstarter result and it doesn't look good at all. Apparently the only 'smart rings' that have actually made it to production are terrible.

I love the idea though.

I been looking around for alternatives and I thought about using one of these keychain projectors

This one has a QVGA res, not high at all but twice than all those OLED arduino screens.

Its only 5 lumens but that might actually be too much for something that close to my eyes so I could hack it to be dimmer and also increase battery life which is just 1 hour

So what do you guys think?

>>50089

I'm curious about how this will work out. 'Google Glass' type displays don't have any particularly bright back light, because they're so close to the eye.

When I've made 'pass through' displays, I've just used regular LCD panels, and micro-display panels.

They're a real bitch to get lined up for comfortable viewing, but they seem to work just fine.

I've never seen anyone try to repurpose a projector like this.

Keep us updated.

>>50091

>'Google Glass' type displays don't have any particularly bright back light, because they're so close to the eye.

Don't gglass have one of those small displays from regular video glasses (even VGA) with a beam splitter glued to it?

>They're a real bitch to get lined up for comfortable viewing, but they seem to work just fine.

I was going to use the 'pass through' type like the one that guy Alain is building, or this >>49841 , and besides these tiny projectors have focus rings

>I've never seen anyone try to repurpose a projector like this.

Neither do I but couldn't find any discussion about it either

BTW any HUD forums out there?

>>50092

Nah just pass through, tho this projector once disassembled should take less space and have better res than an OLED display

>>50098

>Don't gglass have one of those small displays from regular video glasses (even VGA) with a beam splitter glued to it?

Basically, yes. It's just a standard micro-display with a prism.

> I was going to use the 'pass through' type like the one that guy Alain is building, or this >>49841 , and besides these tiny projectors have focus rings

That guy looks like he's using a $10 regular display.

> BTW any HUD forums out there?

Not that I know of. Wearable computing is the ultimate niche hobby. It's like 10 guys.

> should take less space and have better res than an OLED display

QVGA is 320x240, so very low res. It'll be fine for Nintendo emulation and media center stuff, but that's probably about it.

>>50055

>>50066

dubs confirm, decks and wearables are for autists

>>50185

Decks are just custom laptops. I'm really not sure where they're drawing the line there. It looks like someone put together a shitty laptop. What's the difference between a C64 case and the one the Pi foundation sells?

I sort of feel the same way about wearables. The only difference is that, while Decks take something you can buy a better version of for cheap, and make them shitty, wearable computers are something you really can't buy yet.

I say yet, because we all know Intel has their glasses, Google's Glass 'isn't dead', and about 20 other companies still have people working on it.

So, will it still be for autists in a few years when they replace the phone?

I honestly think you'll have glasses and headphones with built in computers in a few years, and that'll just be the norm.

Hell, it already is depending on where you draw the line. Bluetooth is expected in a pair of headphones now. They've been building MP3 players into them for a decade. If it weren't for the big companies like Apple and Google figuring out that you make more off subscriptions to music than selling it, or selling players for it, I guarantee every pair of headphones on the market would have an SD slot so you could play music directly on them, instead of killing your data plan to download the same song every day.

In that way, I think the home made wearables are pretty cool. I can't buy something that does that, and the ONLY reason I can think of for that is that MP3 players and emulators run into licensing issues, and the big companies don't want you being able to play movies, music and video games without 'streaming' them.

If I had the brouzouf and ability, I'd build a really low-key wearable into some sunglasses or headhones or something … something that looked as much like a 'regular' pair as possible.

>>50185

As long as I'm here, I may as well respond to this. I don't stop by this board too often, but this is 'polite criticism' by the board standards, so I'm not too hurt.

I think it's like anything else you'd build yourself. If you're making a costume piece, which I have, then you recognize that it's not something you're going to wear around, or at least if you do, you're going to have to explain it. It's not meant to fit in, and you know that no one thinks you're a lvl 99 Cyber-hacker.

So, at least in my case, I'm well aware socially, and when I do wear one of my creations out of the house, it's either Halloween, or I'm prepared to explain that I know it's goofy, and if you have some social skills and approach people's questions with a smile, it's not a big deal.

As for some other things I've made, I have tried to create things that I can wear around that don't attract attention. Again, not being a social retard, I'm well aware that most people don't want to cosplay every day, just to have a handy piece of tech. It's just that I've been building these things for so long now, I actually like them, and sometimes want to have one with me.

I always think we're one year away from it being 'the year of the wearable computer', because it feels like every year the big companies promise us something new, but it never quite takes off for one reason or another.

I still believe that it will, I'm just not willing to wait for it. I do understand your concern about looking like a crazy person, though. I only usually talk about my crazier creations, but I have the social skills to barely, if ever, wear them out of my house, and now that they're becoming useful, I'm putting more effort into making them something I can, and would, wear out.

Truthfully, I never thought I'd build anything I wanted to wear any longer than it took to show it off at a costume party.

>>50104

>QVGA is 320x240, so very low res. It'll be fine for Nintendo emulation and media center stuff, but that's probably about it.

What about using one of those pico projectors that are XGA?

>>50187

>I say yet, because we all know Intel has their glasses,

Yea about that…

https://www.theinformation.com/articles/intel-plans-to-shut-down-smart-glasses-group?shared=def8d2de0350a2dc

>I honestly think you'll have glasses and headphones with built in computers in a few years, and that'll just be the norm.

No way, no battery tech in the pipeline that can keep a standalone glasses-PC going without being super heavy

>>50192

Is it bright enough to use it in a passthrough config?

>>50193

I think the real limit to this is making it cool and functional

Smartphones have been a thing since the late 90's but until 2009 or so nobody cared and everybody thought it was some shit for nerds. Also old smartphones were slow and clunky.

But then the iphone came and while the first was also kind of shit and only "nerds" cared it was the first one that was still functional and cool enough for the vast majority of people out there to want one

We need a wearable like that, one that doesn't looks like a geeky POS (like the gglass) or borg-tier (most DIY stuff) and works well enough

>>50204

Not the OP on all of these, but …

>>QVGA is 320x240, so very low res. It'll be fine for Nintendo emulation and media center stuff, but that's probably about it.

>What about using one of those pico projectors that are XGA?

You have to be careful about what the input is capable of vs. the actual resolution. Quite often you'll see low-res screens with high-res standards in the specs, because the decoder board can decode that res, even if the display is ultimately downgraded to whatever the LCD is. But, if the LCD is XGA, then it's XGA.

>>I say yet, because we all know Intel has their glasses,

>Yea about that…

Yeah, that's another set-back.

>>I honestly think you'll have glasses and headphones with built in computers in a few years, and that'll just be the norm.

>No way, no battery tech in the pipeline that can keep a standalone glasses-PC going without being super heavy

That's why I'm focusing on headphones. Gaming headphones are already rediculously bulky, with most of that being empty space. I'm working on a set of headphoens that will be smaller and less rediculous looking than the headphones I already wear around.

>Is it bright enough to use it in a passthrough config?

Probably, I haven't seen any builds where that was the problem.

>

We need a wearable like that, one that doesn't looks like a geeky POS (like the gglass) or borg-tier (most DIY stuff) and works well enough

Like I said, I'm just shooting for low-key headphones, because headphones are ubiquitous. I live in a college town, and I see 20 different models of headphones every time I walk down town, and an even half of them are more absurd looking than anything I would put together.

Also, 2/3 of the uses I have for them mostly deal with sound, so it's a natural fit.

BTW check this

I thinking I could use it to build glasses for cheap, what do you guys think?

>>50206

This is actually the same display used in this DIY wearable.

You can buy these for under $5 already. buying the watch and taking it apart is probably actually more of a hassle than buying an Arduino micro for $3 and a display for $5 and just starting there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkl6yVauCKg&t=14s

>>50207

Thats the alain visor and its using a B&W screen with lower res, also I don't get why he uses a "tunnel" for the screen instead of just placing it perpendicular to the acrylic eye piece

BTW is there anything more powerful than an arduino but around the same size?

Also check this: the helmet is clunky AF but I can think of tons of in-house uses like having infinite monitors around you, or just floating windows with terminals and shit

Way cheaper than hololens too

>>50211

>Thats the alain visor and its using a B&W screen with lower res

The OLED being used comes in BW and Color,but it's the same 'family' of displays. I use them in my projects and consider them the same 'display'. I don't believe the resolution is different between them… unless I'm completely mistaken, but it looks exactly like the display I have on my workbench.

>BTW is there anything more powerful than an arduino but around the same size?

I'm using Pi Zero W for my builds. Either Composite or SPI displays. Mostly because I want to be able to use them for many things, and while the Arduino can do a lot, it's tough to make it do all those things without running out of program space.

>>50211

>I don't get why he uses a "tunnel" for the screen instead of just placing it perpendicular to the acrylic eye piece

Because focal distance is still a thing. It depends on the lens, and most lenses have a focal distance of a few inches.

>>50212

Is it out yet? And you forgot to mention the best thing about it : it's fully open software and hardware, I wouldn't let m$ into my house even if it was better and cheaper

Check This: $10 wearable that connects to the fone!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkB1Nahi-X0

>>50214

Couldn't find it in color in that same size, got a link?

>I'm using Pi Zero W for my builds

Too big for me, maybe I could use a compute module? couldn't find any cases of people using one and soldering all the wires tho

>>50216

I know jack about optics, but how does the northstar do that? the displays as sort of behind of the visors

>>50217

Not that I know of but they did publish more details:

http://blog.leapmotion.com/our-journey-to-the-north-star/

>>50218

Total ripoff of the one made by that guy alain from hackaday, fat fuck is a poser

>>50220

>Couldn't find it in color in that same size, got a link?

>(Pi Zero) Too big for me, maybe I could use a compute module?

I wanted to make a watch, and it's too big for that. I haven't found anything as capable in a smaller package.

I've considered the Compute module because I could get the more powerful variants of the Pi, but soldering the wires would be stupid, and by the time I design a breakout, it's at least as big as the zero anyway.

Really, the Zero is about the size of a stick of gum, and requires very little outside circuits, unlike the Arduino. Even when I design my own boards, by the time I have the extra hardware I need to do anything, it ends up being bigger than the zero.

>I know jack about optics, but how does the northstar do that?

Micro displays are really, really, tiny. So, the magnifier is actually making the image larger so you can see it with short-focus optics.

Traditional displays are already big enough to read, so the bringing the magnification in closer just makes you see less and less of the display. If you took the optics from a northstar and used them on a small LCD panel, you'd just see 1/4 of the display, super up close.

I want, at the very least, something with Bluetooth for keyboards, a usable linux terminal, MP3 support and Gameboy emulation.

The Zero is only the size of a stick of gum, and you can get it working in a wearable with just 4 wires, 2 for the composite video and 2 for power. I use external USB sound cards for quality, but you can make a tiny circuit right on the board for sound.

If you can find anything smaller, after you get the video, sound, and power hooked up, let me know.

>>50220

>Couldn't find it in color in that same size, got a link?

Sorry, forgot to paste this:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/0-95-inch-Colorful-OLED-Module-SSD1331-96-X-64-Resolution-for-51-STM32-Arduino/32719718032.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.191.467e343dy2CHOS&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10152_10065_10709_10151_10344_10068_10130_5722815_10324_10342_10547_10325_10343_10546_10340_10341_10548_5722915_10545_10697_5722615_10696_10084_10083_10618_10307_10710_5722715_5711215_10059_308_100031_10103_441_10624_10623_10622_5711315_5722515_10621_10620,searchweb201603_68,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=d430a557-2eb2-426f-9998-660452cf3d40-31&algo_pvid=d430a557-2eb2-426f-9998-660452cf3d40&priceBeautifyAB=0

>>50225

>but soldering the wires would be stupid

Can the module drive a display directly or it lacks a video pinout? I mean these things are made for use in clusters right? I remember someone who was working on an adapter board for handheld gaming that used the module (good idea since when a new one arrives you just replace it) but again too big for wearable. The zero afaik has lower specs right?

>If you can find anything smaller, after you get the video, sound, and power hooked up, let me know.

I remember someone was working on a zero clone that was barely bigger than the SoC itself but broadcom refused to sell them the chips probably because rpi itself didnt like the competition

>>50226

The resolution is considerably lower than the keychain projector I mentioned above which IIRC is QVGA but I think there's a VGA version around

BTW for hires we could use parts from a picoprojector like this one:

http://www.aaxatech.com/products/hd_pico_projector.html

>>50229

>Can the module drive a display directly

The Datasheet shows the TVDAC on Pin 166. So, yeah, it should be able to drive a composite display.

>The resolution is considerably lower than the keychain projector.

Sure, the keychain projector will have a micro-display, just like you'd pull out of a pair of video glasses. However, it will have a far more powerful backlight, and the optics will be very different.

>for hires we could use parts from a picoprojector

I'm curious to see someone figure this out. It's high res, but you'll have a series of design challenges in figuring out optics and a suitable backlight for the image.

I'm excited to see someone take it on, because it is very high resolution, but for what I'm doing I'm going to stick to buying microdisplays designed for the task.

>>50230

>The Datasheet shows the TVDAC on Pin 166. So, yeah, it should be able to drive a composite display.

Awesome, not hdmi tho?

>Sure, the keychain projector will have a micro-display, just like you'd pull out of a pair of video glasses. However, it will have a far more powerful backlight, and the optics will be very different.

Well that would be good right? you can place the lens right next to the visor without the need of a tunnel for focal distance, and the backlite can be turned down and save battery

>I'm curious to see someone figure this out. It's high res, but you'll have a series of design challenges in figuring out optics and a suitable backlight for the image.

Figure how? also what about using an LCD without backlite so its transparent and use it directly as a visor? sure it would suck with low light but would be a more compact device

>>50231

>Awesome, not hdmi tho?

yeah, the HDMI is broken out. I honestly don't see any improvement when using it with micro-displays. Most of my displays take composite, and the ones that take both don't seem to improve when I use HDMI. I think it must convert it to basically the same thing before display. In that case, wiring HDMI is really bulky compared to composite, for no benefit I've seen.

> Well that would be good right? you can place the lens right next to the visor without the need of a tunnel for focal distance

Well, yes … but now you've got a new problem, because the display is too small to see without magnification.

>Figure how? also what about using an LCD without backlite so its transparent and use it directly as a visor? sure it would suck with low light but would be a more compact device

Again, if you just tried to look at the LCD, it would be way, way too small to see anything. I don't have the means to grind my own optics, and in this case the optics that come with it aren't made for that … so, that's something someone would have to figure out.

>>50790

The whole 'Deck' thing is interesting. It's not cosplay, the damn things work, but it's not 'serious' either. Sort of the perfect example of modern 'Cyberpunk', where there's a connection to reality, but it's still pretty ridiculous.

>>50840

I've been looking to put one together for a while now. It's a fun project that makes you think your way around some hurdles while still staying practical.

> sort of the perfect example or modern 'Cyberpunk'

Scrapping together easily portable computers, built for efficiency and (digital) subtlety, using nothing but spare drek and secondhand parts. Yeah, gotta agree with you there.

>>50845

I've been putting one together in my head for a while now. I do a lot of pi-zero projects, and so I need one pi system with all the peripherals I use so I can sit somewhere comfortable and do software config and updates.Right now, I have a cardboard box with a 7" display, hub, USB hardware, etc … all just laying in it, all connected.

I'd really like to do a classic computer-style design, and get all of that stuff in some kind of a laptop, so I can sit on my couch and build images for my other, less accessible, systems.

I've been pretty busy, and have just returned to following this thread. I haven't had a chance to reread everything, so apologies if I post something that was discussed further up.

Has anyone mustered the balls to just buy one of the $500 OLiGHTEK microdisplays? They have a few available on alibaba, some monochrome and some in color in SVGA (800x600 for those of you following along at home) which range in size from 0.5 to 0.9 inches across. Here's one:

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/0-6inch-Microdisplay_476897534.html

Some people on hunting forums use these to make custom night-vision scopes, like these people in the UK: http://www.nightvisionforumuk.com/viewtopic.php?t=11428

Sadly the UK guys don't seem to have pics of their builds. I found a quote someone got from OLiGHTEK on a russian air rifle forum dating from 2016, which shows they make a number of monocles for their screens: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=23&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiOrYLpoI7cAhVCSN8KHWjoCzs4ChAWCGMwDA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fairgun.org.ru%2Fforum%2Fdownload%2Ffile.php%3Fid%3D787448&usg=AOvVaw0WbzjKpDiu3_BgUC6M6jbb

Could we cannibalize such a scope for the right optics for a HUD?

Finally, here's a German who in 2013 attempted to do exactly what we're trying to do, with this AMOLED microdisplay hardware: https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=58

It doesn't look like he got very far either.

I also found a number of articles from Kopin corporation's website and from CES2017 about VR ready microdisplays in the future. Apparently Kopin and OLiGHTEK are partnering up (Kopin designs, the chinese fabricate) with the intention of releasing Big Things in Q2 of this year (isn't that now?): http://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/kopin-unveils-high-brightness-breakthrough-for-lightning-oled-microdisplays-and-debuts-new-720p-resolution-0-5-oled-display-at-ces-2018-1012520488

If I understand correctly they plan to integrate the driver and display onto the same silicon wafer, which will reduce size and power requirements. Supposedly they'd be able to make it for $50. Has anyone been able to find more recent news?

>>50965

I bought this:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA3526GE3536&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-_-Drone+Accessories-_-9SIA3526GE3536&gclid=CjwKCAjwj4zaBRABEiwA0xwsP4-5SJCBtoGH11pXsMOfz3d-bfEsWZD-QXTCSOIoWbb4vp8JiqvlwxoCrhwQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

It's higher res than 320x240. I can finally get a real terminal, but I don't think there's going to be any single-eye solution that gives me the resolution and close-up view that would make that very comfortable.

I am building it into a set of headphones, with a pi-zero W. I've got all the wiring done, and some of the 3D printing. It's coming together really well.

I have a key-chain sized NES controller that interacts with python scripts to do basic tasks, like controlling the MP3 player, and a small bluetooth keyboard for anything that takes a little more effort. I already carry a nice fold-out bluetooth keyboard for my phone that I've paired with it, so if the mood takes me, I can even touch type directly into them.

My goal with this design is to be something I can carry around with me, that lets me listen to music, play videos and video games, and do a little music creation and stuff like that, without drawing too much attention to myself. So far they don't look any weirder than gaming headphones I see college kids walking around with every day.

>>41347

You know that's a defense contractor who sucks on hegemonic dick, right?

>>50980

King*

>>50980

>I'm probably going to make one, but uh. I'm uh. I'm not wearing this to Burger Kind, I know that. Maybe on Halloween or something, though.

Out of Curiosity, what's the craziest build you WOULD wear to Burger King?

I'd like to make something, but even Google Glass was pretty 'out there'. I'm just wondering if you've seen any wearables that you'd wear outside of your house.?

>>50980

>I'm not wearing this to Burger Kind, I know that. Maybe on Halloween or something, though.

Nigga we live in an age where obvious trannies with body mods walk outside in the open, who is gonna care about an HMD?

>>50981

Fucking great…

As for this leap motion thing, where can we buy the parts?

>>51005

Fuck off, delusional spastic.

>>51012

Delusional how? This is the first youth generation to have no meaningful underground.

The 50's had 'greasers', the 60's had 'hippies' the 70s and 80s had mods and punks, the 90s had skaters, punks, goths, gangstas and slackers.

Those were all trying to change the world by refusing to participate in the mainstream culture. True subcultures that clashed with the status quo.

Now what do you have? You have 'tribes' that fit into comfortable little target markets.

There's no rebellion, there's no fear from the mainstream culture. They aren't subcultures at all, they're just styles, fashions and fandoms.

Then you get on /cyber/, this shit-little board where people want to pretend Cyberpunk is a subculture, and you see every reason why it's not.

People scared they'll look funny at the local Burger King never changed anything for the better.

>>51017

>The 50's had 'greasers', the 60's had 'hippies' the 70s and 80s had mods and punks, the 90s had skaters, punks, goths, gangstas and slackers.

Notice how all of them were chewed up by mainstream and turned into $5 T-shirt.

Active rebelion against mainstream was part of the mainstream for a long time now.

If you don't want to participate in the mainstream, first step should be to stop responding to it, and to stop being noticed by it.

>>51018

Were they, though? Greasers were just fighting against the rigid social system of the 50s. They didn't want to go to church every day, and court women like it was the 1800s. They wanted to redefine 'good man' as someone that works hard and supports his family.

I'd say, they succeeded entirely.

The 'hippies' were about peace and stopping the war. It's been admitted, by official sources, that a big reason we pulled out of Vietnam was that they didn't think anyone would show up for another draft.

It was around that point that things started to change.

Punk was never allowed to mature into any kind of a cohesive movement, and really the next 'real' movement was probably the slackers, who tried to redefine 'success' by having a rich life, instead of making money. That was back when people with university degrees were working in coffee shops by choice, not because the economy is bullshit and they have no other choice.

Now, though, there's no even an attempt to rebel at all. Corporations started buying up subculture and selling it at Hot Topic before it had a chance to be dangerous to the status quo, which is why we're a world mostly run by people in their 70s, with no new ideas, and a deep fear of change.

We've lost those experimental places in our culture, where kids go to try new ideas of what their culture should be. Without that phase, youth culture has no identity. You're just a generation being told what to do directly by commercials, and you're so used to brand-name thinking that you're still afraid someone at Burger King might laugh at you for being different.

It sounds like a small thing, but that's how corporations control our culture, and ultimately everything else.

>>51020

I agree with the sentiment that by controlling culture, corporations and governments might as well make us their puppets. By controlling our material wants by shoving reality TV and boy/girl bands decked out in designer clothing in our faces, people's waking moments are spent daydreaming or grinding 9-5 jobs rather than creating change. Not saying to completely avoid pop culture because keeping with the times is necessary if you want to be social but probably being aware of what's what is good.

I don't quite see though how not wanting to be laughed at at Burger King quite fits into a generation too scared to push for change. Being a social outcast by yourself is very different to being part of a group of social outcasts.

As to whether the new and upcoming generation is pushing for change …… well …. we're seeing diversity in the range of genders and sexualities.

>>51021

> I don't quite see though how not wanting to be laughed at at Burger King quite fits into a generation too scared to push for change.

Every culture starts with one guy who just does a thing, because he thinks it's cool. Then, upon explaining himself, other people join and add to the culture.

Now, the first hippy wasn't what you picture as a hippy. Early punks didn't have mohawks, and the first 'greaser' was probably just a guy who said 'I'm not going to church today, I'm going to make my car go faster, then get Jenny to give me a handjob in it later'.

All of those people got picked on at first. Even when they started getting people on board, they got picked on. They were laughed at, made fun of, beaten up, etc … you don't know how violently a mass culture will fight to protect its self from change until you start to change it.

If no one is willing to get laughed at in a Burger King, it's over before it starts.

>>41333

I'll make the logo

>>51025

What we really need is specifications. Building this sort of thing is trivial, but we can't agree on what we're trying to accomplish.

What's the core? a CHIP? A Pi? An arduino?

What's the display? Wearable? arm mounted? is the whole build a pair of glasses, or goggles?

What's it for? Portable hacking? A chat box for meshnets?

We need to know why we'd want one of these, and then figure out what's not too crazy, or crazy enough, that people will want to wear it, and then design from there.

>>51026

What about an ESP8266 attached to a cheap OLED, head mounted, so you can log into a meshnet and get a feed of messages being passed through your node?

It might cost as little as $15, and then you'd have a specialized device for accessing an information stream.

>>51026

C.H.I.P, although its specs were very promising, went tits up this past april. I think it should be a boom-mounted monocle built onto over-ear headphones which can show you things you normally do on your phone (messengers, music player, ssh, etc) and some basic environmental data to clutter up the HUD and make me feel more like terminator (compass heading, altitude, temperature, battery life, UTC, etc). Headphones already have batteries and extra space for electronics. I think a good start would be alain’s glasses with better (slimmer) optics, some sensors, and an sd card to store tunes. It would be totally self contained, rely on the headphones’ batteries for power, and play audio over them. From there we can add functionality, like connecting to a cellphone or handheld keyboard.

>>51049

Okay, that sounds reasonable since someone on this thread has already made headphones. It sounds like you're suggesting just that same project, but not as bulky and cosplay looking?

>>51056

https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Google_Glass_%28Explorer_Edition%29

>>51056

you could easily modify headphones even with a cold solder but you need a good shell (to put what you add) something like those cosplay stuff but with functionality.

I usually replace the jack as it is the one that usually dies first or the cable if it rips

I have modified my bluetooth earbuds and turned the earbuds into an audio jack (so I can pick any earphone or even a headphone)

>burn the wire shield to expose copper then twist to other wire

>playback music to check if it works

I am thinking of making a modified headphone out of all my broken ones then add LED lights and maybe a glow cable powered by my unused 1200mAh phone batteries.

I could even put a removable bluetooth module since they usually have around 100mAh only (that would be 10x the power!)

>making everything removable

yes

I can do that by splicing the wires and soldering proprietary ports like the audio port from the old samsung days (which you can get in the cheap and is smaller than USB and stronger than micro USB).

adding CHIP or Pi module would be very nice too.

>>51061

I used the Google Glass quite a bit when they were around a few years ago. They were nothing more than a phone accessory that died 4 hours into your day. I wouldn't want to put any effort into replicating that. I want a stand-alone device.

>>51062

about the batteries though I don't think it might work out of the box as bluetooth headphones probably don't have that smart charge and voltage regulation capabilities (lower charge = less voltage but it might not detect if battery is low unless it has a built in module to detect the charge)

>>51063

Nice.

I really loved the idea of wearables and portables and I am lucky enough to get myself a good 10.1" acer netbook with 4GB of RAM but I also like the idea of having a smart wearable but sadly the market isn't that good.

Got any ideas how I can turn this netbook into something /cyber/ aside from installing linux and other stuff like hacking the mall wifi for free stuff?

I am also gonna try to unlock the BIOS to get more features.

also

>is it possible to charge the laptop through a powerbank or do 19V powerbanks even exist

that would be awesome

>>51066

the 10.1 netbook is really small and I could carry it on a small messenger bag (I should buy one soon)

>>51065

Not sure about display but I could give it a try though are displays like gonna be legibe?

>those hanging wires

>>51068

>Not sure about display but I could give it a try though are displays like gonna be legibe?

Well, depends on what you want to do. If you write custom stuff, or do game emulation from the 90's, maybe a front end for an MP3 player, I think you'll be fine. Probably not good for writing a book with.

>>those hanging wires

I feel like those must have been intentional. There's no reason I can think of why he couldn't have tucked that wire inside the device.

I went on Reddit and checked out the write-up on that thing when I saw it here. It's a Pi-Zero, with an HMD, and wireless keyboard and stereo sound. I think it does everything I want to do, but it looks too silly to wear around.

>>50790

I hope that's not a bluetooth keyboard and if it is that's very bad OpSec.

I read before on a CCC (chaos comm. congres) article that bluetooth keyboards could be 'streamed' by a hacker equipment and by stream I mean "stream the entire city by a radius of km" depending on the strength of the equipment

>>51070

Well, if I recall it's not bluetooth, so probably has all sorts of security issues.

As for Bluetooth in general, most things released since 2009 use the newer bluetooth encryption standards, and are probably as good as you're going to get for wireless keyboards.

I think it would make sense, if we're going to make something with a wireless keyboard, to make sure we recommend a keyboard using at least Bluetooth 2+.

>>51071

not secure IMO

there are programs and even receivers that can act as the new receiver in case the customer lost theirs

>>51071

>>51073 and the CCC exploit was around 2014 something so all are NOT safe

>>51073

>>51074

Assuming you're running some reasonably up to date version of Linux, you'll get the best security you can have for a wireless device with bluetooth. It's an open, vetted, standard.

Your only other options are shielded, wired, keyboards … which is miserably bulky for a wearable, or a proprietary standard that's almost certainly less secure than BT.

This is one of those 'Do we do this recognizing obvious risks, or not do it at all' decisions.

>>51075

Maybe just use an ESP32 running some meshnet software, driving an OLED? Something similar was suggested earlier. Definitely doable, if you know exactly what you want the device to do. Linux on one of those mini routers is going to be OpenWRT and not too useful anyway.

>>51076

read FCC title 15. If your devies complies to this (includes China) then your device must be globalist approved.

There are outrageous ways to 'translate' personal private data into unintentional Noise, signal through dedicated and secret hardware, or HDD beeps or sometimes they even use SURLYSPAWN techniques. It's safer to use these >>51072 on wires now that there's like tonnes of radars around the world,

>>51076

>you'll get the best security you can have for a wireless device with bluetooth. It's an open, vetted, standard.

Sorry. I was referring to those bluetooth keyboards with a proprietary receiver on its own.

>>51078

Sure, I'm not disagreeing with you that any wireless communication system is vulnerable to attack. I'm pointing out that a wearable with wired connections to keyboards isn't very useful, and as such, probably not an option most people will want to explore.

Ultimately, using a computer, of any kind, is bad opsec.

Since we don't choose to live in cabins, in the woods, scrawling notes to one another with pen and paper, hand delivering and witnessing the burning of them, we've all made some compromises.

I don't think it is our aim to create a security hardened piece of wearable hardware for super secret hackers to use while on the run from megacorps.

I think we're talking about building a standardized, simple, wearable computer as a learning tool, that we can all contribute software, hardware, 3D design, etc, to.

>>51079

>I was referring to those bluetooth keyboards with a proprietary receiver on its own.

Ahh, yeah, that's a terrible idea.

So, if we can agree on using BT for HID, we can also agree on using a mainboard that provides that out of the box.

The obvious choice here is to use a Pi Zero W. Does anyone have a competing opinion?

>>51082

What do you mean 'like this'? Size? Orientation? This looks like a clock LCD, only capable of displaying basic numeric information in a single format. Surely you don't suggest we use something like that?

>>51081

>>51080

My bad, but it's good to let others know that peripherals with proprietary receivers are pwned.

>>51084

No problem, it's always good to know what you're getting into.

So, what are you thinking in terms of mainboard and display? Are you on board with doing a full linux wearable, or are you thinking something more like a micro-controller and cheaper display?

>>51065

This looks ideal, but why is it so big?! Seems like there must a lot of empty space in that thing.

>>51020

>The 'hippies' were about peace and stopping the war. It's been admitted, by official sources,

Sorry chummer, you got some megacorp propaganda mixed in with your understanding.

Hippies were 100% fake, made by CIA. Timothy Leary was one of their plants, promoting LSD. Grateful Dead had CIA handlers on tour. Woodstock was a small show, made up to look huge in media.

Genuine cultural movements are rare, they're immediately compromised by covert actors who's job it is to identify, subvert, and create cultural movements.

Vid related is +4hr documentary about how fake the movement is, complete with sources, dat listed on their site.

TL;DR: Megacorps already rule this realm, and manufacture its culture. They nerfed cyberpunk when it started spawning legit crypto/sec rebel factions. Transhumanism (let your brain be run by megacorp, slave) is one of the manufactured mind-traps.

Protip: Governmental = Govern Mental = Mind Kontrol

All opposition is controlled.

>>51103

>The claim Oculus Rift makes about lower latency curing vomiting and headaches is BOGUS. The vomiting is caused by difference between your inner-ear "accelerometer" and visual input.h

You're wrong. It's caused by the display not keeping up with your eyes, causing 'sea sickness' because it feels like the ground is moving at a different rate than your vision.

>The headaches are due to having to keep the eyes at a set focal length

Wrong again, Rift is an 'infinite focus' setup, you don't get eye strain from that.

The rest of your post is just made up bullshit … also, no one was talking about the rift until you came in showing us all that you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Truly a situation where keeping your mouth shut would have saved you some embarrassment.

As for why they don't make those kinds of displays … they do. They never stopped making them, Kopin still produces as many as they ever did.

Personally, I'm going to use a single-eye solution, but I get why people would suggest making a wrist mounted machine.

>>51101

So, this pic is basically $25 of hardware?! I feel like if we had a wiring guide, it would be perfect.

>>51101

>>51102

Except a smaller formfactor Seems rather large/showy and gets in the way.

Besides, if you really wanted to WEAR your computer, couldn't you use multiple displays to reduce how cluttered or big a single screen would be?

> hood-mounted TFT 1" for notifications/heads-up

> Wrist 4in for actual messing with your computer, changing music…

> Tiny tft on main comm/power board, displaying power and status

>>51116

Pretty much, I figure :

RPi Zero W >>> ($8)

TFT Screen >>> ($5)

18650 >>> ($7)

Buttons >>> ($2)

Random BS >>>> ($3)

I'm seeing dozens of guides/tutorials on doing exactly this, and can bust out the Audio on the Pi.