No.37381 [View All]
Has the internet gone full-normalfag?
I honestly don't know whats going on anymore, everything its just so DEAD, you can't get anything going anymore
What happened?
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No.39596
Here's what I think: I think that this internet, the one that you and me are now typing away at(unless you're using the tor version of 8ch,
in which case, kudos to you.) is slowly dying away. We all saw it coming. It started with Eternal September(>>37392) and reached its tipping
point with the birth of the modern smartphone. But that doesn't mean that internet culture will die. Maybe all the interesting forums will
migrate to i2p, maybe it will migrate to some more hidden service. Maybe, we will all start using pen and paper to hide our secrets again,
as the normal-fags store there passwords on devices and programs with backdoors in them. My friends and I, back when I was in high school,
had a running bet. By the time we are 100, our great-grandchildren will be learning calculus by the time they turn 8. But looking back at that
bet that we made with foolery in our hearts, I say that I may have some truth to it. Our great-grandchildren may be learning calculus at 8,
while surfing the deep web or i2p, but by that point calculus will probably have become irrelevant and obsolete(at least to the technologies
of the future) and i2p will be fully monitored by a big brother government while all the social media and entertainment sites will be found
on there to calm the masses. And by that point we will have found a new community. Maybe we will have made a (truly) unwatchable server for us
to use. But my final prediction is that some time in the future, I cant say how long, this internet will have been long forgotten, and one day
someone will stumble upon it, and the cycle will end. Because while the masses will try to find the next best thing, and the government will be
one step ahead, but still trying to watch, we will be on a system so obsolete, they couldn't care about it. Anyway, that's my prediction, I don't think it's bad in any way, but if it is: tell me and explain why. Pic related, the chart.
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No.39612
>>39596
>this internet
Do you push your comments via telnet? Because this is a service, called "the web", using http. There are other services at "this internet.
t. autism
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No.39613
>>39577
>the facade
(2nd try)
Funny thing is that everyone that i met irl tell the same finding, yet still they have an acc there.
We use masks irl too. Or 'personas'.
Imagine showing your power level before softing the target.
The fb facade is built upon the concept that the screen is a mirror, of the user´s property. Then, bullying is the mirror talking back and shattering by itself. All the 'omg yer so cute, go fatpower' are that same ppl that don´t want their own mirrors collapsing. They are projections of themselves, how they want to be seen at the other ppl mirror.
Also, because they will be blocked (and alone) if they truthwrite. Normalfags believe the web is irl, and behave accordingly, most of the time when irl name is linked with work or business websites and services. Just treat it as a channel. What if the same person you know as a normal was a white rabbit in another hidden bbs expressing himself differently.
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No.39614
>>39535
Lol Normo.
Fb is a web service, not the internet itself.
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No.39616
>>39521
You will have to list all the reasons of 'why you and them switched websites to gather at´. It reads that you are addicted to ppl to satisfy your constant loneliness.
Because most websites don´t have real time commenting (meaning, like when the fb chat has the txt: "fag01 is writing something…", or the double check at wsp, for example), and you don´t have access to the website metrics, it does not need to be true that the site is dead. Maybe when the content at it is stale.
Besides the indexing bots, the spiders and the rest, some people still lurk for "answers".
Maybe you got addicted to sense that there is someone at the other side of the website´s collective screen.
Chans have the attribute that they are a cms of a "blog", where the content is dynamic. Unlike static (even with ajax or json) content websites the webjanitor has to keep uploading things. But with chans the content is pushed up real time, in a temporal place.
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No.39618
>>39494
Well, if you view it that way, maybe those are temp.bubble conspiracies geared towards brouzouf gains.
>>39507
Age does not apply. It is the interest of the subject or the shared activity, and the capacity to deliver, add or share outside the 'temporal shared mental space' that is a website.
These places are just like venues where strangers come to chat of anything and take out the experience back to the next venue.
In an Eatrh´s day the likely web user will have 8 hours more or less to use his eyes to media content. The average memory span is like a day or two for shiny things. These parts of the web are competitors for large budget marketing firms, so imagine the effort of them to pull users from here and turn them into normos.
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No.39630
>>39541
>Don't you have a phone and email address?
Of course I do but nowadays if you're not on fb you're an inconvenience to contact and don't get spoken to.
>>39543
>You honestly just sound like a normalfag.
>Most of us who used the internet a lot before social media will notice a massive difference caused by their coming into popularity.
I didn't even discover social media existed until I was 16, the "muh 90s" maymay doesn't make you leet.
>>39613
>>39577
> It's absolutely fucking satanic.
I absolutely agree. I hate facebook but until it dies it's going to be basically "oh. Y-you don't have facebook? Whhhyy?". There's someone I like and I barely get a second alone with them (only comes by once in a blue moon) but I was able to confidentially say what's up in their inbox and get the ball rolling. I don't really like and I don't expect likes because I know it's just positive reinforcement. I don't post 9000 pictures of myself and post them. I honestly wish I didn't remake a facebook because my good friend who I enjoyed talking to blocked me for absolutely no reason. And if I just delete my facebook again where will that leave me?
Wouldn't it be ironic if we all contributed to make our own free/open source social media? Where you can inbox people and shit and make stupid statuses about how your cat died and it gave you an erection, but your post didn't get pinned to you? That'd be quite cyber.
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No.39658
This is one of the most interesting threads I've read on the entirety of 8ch for some time.
/cyber/ has some pretty cool dudes
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No.39661
>>39630
>I didn't even discover social media existed until I was 16, the "muh 90s" maymay doesn't make you leet
How does that change anything? The internet has changed, whether or not you were there to see it.
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No.39668
>>39630
sounds like you're basically after twitter. its not open source tho
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No.39671
>>37443
>Do you know what the Usenet users did when Eternal September happened?
What did they do?
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No.39673
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No.39729
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No.39760
>>37392
>tfw you're part of the problem
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No.39764
>>39760
>dvdrip
disgusting. why arent you watching with 24bit audio?
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No.39773
>>39507
>Most of us are either facing the cold harsh realities of adulthood.
True, can't argue with that, we are like the guys with the garage band that can't meet to practice anymore so they give up and become wageslaves
I'm currently trying to break into the tech business, place is full of normalfags now nothing like the stories from IT companies of the 70s and 80s, but at least I'm not doing shit I truly don't like and I might make enough to sort of retire young and do my own thing
>>39510
>the people around me only believe it in as a fad
That happens a lot, most people just don't have the willpower to really commit to anything and they are terrified of being the odd one out and missing out on something so whenever stuff gets "old" they drop it like the turd and embrace whatever is "in", even if the new thing is indeed a total piece of crap
>>39521
>Now my friends are nagging me to get one
Its ironic but since facebook is not too mainstream and even grannies have profiles there is not so crazy to not have a facebook anymore, the only risk is that people will think you're a hipster for not having a profile anymore
Tho you'll be expected to get a profile on snapchat on some other new shit
>I feel like all the web 2.0 websites sucked up all the people "surfing the web" and locked them all into this small pool of mainstream websites
Well yeah, its called a walled garden and its extremely profitable, just like a private park is more profitable than a state park thats open to everybody
>Most online forums have dried up because people have taken their shit to reddit to discuss their hobbies
True, an enthusiast car forum I used to go to its practically dead now and its facebook group that was initially only to post pics and news has now replaced it
>>39535
I avoid facebook like the plague, there are actual studies proving it makes you depressive because people literally manufacture parallel lives there, its a bubble of narcissism and self-hatred where everyone tries to get what little attention they can from others in their group
>There's no competition
Twitter is collapsing and snapchat is growing, you never know whats going to happen user and if facebook keeps becoming uncool people will eventually leave it
Unlike many google services which are actually useful there is nothing facebook provides that is truly irreplaceable
>>39541
>You can be lonely in a crowd
Indeed, and social networks know this which is why they encourage minimal levels of interaction like likes and upvotes to give the illusion of actual engagement among users
>>39560
Seapunk was a hipster masturbatory exercise at staying relevant after exploiting 80s styling to death, it went mainstream way too fast with even fashionfags co-opting it
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No.39774
>>39562
Oh man totse was the shit, lots of unbearable shazbots at times but also a lot of knowledge about stuff you couldn't find anywhere else
>>39577
>Facebook is the closest thing today to living in the matrix. It is essentially a fake world that you and everyone around you chooses to be real
The problem is that facebook is not only a fake world but the people there are fake too. The point of the matrix is that people had been enclosed in this simulation without even knowing it, but facebook is sort of a peer-pressure driven act of self mutilation towards the aim of being more relevant within facebook itself
>>39584
That was inevitable, problem is that this idiot internet is killing the old one, not living side-by-side
>>39596
>It started with Eternal September and reached its tipping point with the birth of the modern smartphone
Theres an almost 20 year gap between those events
>Our great-grandchildren may be learning calculus at 8, while surfing the deep web or i2p
I don't know if you keep in touch with what kids are doing but they aren't getting more skilled, on the contrary they are getting incredibly stupid
They are very versatile at navigating dumb-proof GUIs but that's it, they don't even fucking know what a command line is let alone how to code, and don't care since how is that useful when using kik?
You can see that with some newfags right here in 8chan. They can't hack for shit, they aren't even skiddies since they can't get something like LOIC running at all, the oldfags who actually knew how to find exploits are gone which is why we no longer see major ops like before, all these kids can do is raid a site and post gore.
I see all kinds of dumb questions at trackers about how to install pirated games, thats because we have an entire generation of touch retards who can't even navigate through an install wizard and have no fucking idea how to install a crack. They got used to appstores and steam doing literally everything for them, when it goes wrong they lose their shit because they don't know what to do.
Our grandchildren wont even be able to search for stuff because they will get used to speech bots like googlenow doing it for them, they might not even know how to use a physical keyboard.
>>39613
>everyone that i met irl tell the same finding, yet still they have an acc there
That's the social pressure factor I mentioned above, is just how a lot of people realize their friends at work are shit but they can't afford to lose them for professional reasons
>>39630
How old are you user?
>>39661
Yep
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No.39775
>>37420
The variety is still there. Compared to 1997 there's more weird shit online, but there's shitloads of stuff these days and the neat stuff gets buried under mountains of useless drivel.
But yeah, Interent becoming Serious Business has ruined a lot of things.
I miss not being tracked and not worrying about my freedom when discussing interesting topics.
All those walled gardens with strict corporate control do ruin things. As now it's corp's not national laws that define what's acceptable.
>>37470
It's so hard to care. Ignorance truly is bliss.
I could encrypt everything strongly, but then I would have to remember keys and pass phrases, and that takes effort.
But not caring about what HOLA (the vpn) does and how is something I'd not do, as using HOLA can be potentially dangerous to my own freedom.
>>37523
Making or running your own networks is hard frigging work. A good example of independent networks killed by cheap internet are amateur radio packet nets.
We used to have a 100% non-commercial 100% volunteer run data network in this country, but it's gone now.
The USA reportedly had their packet net stretching from coast to coast, one short hop at the time.
Packet radio is imho the largest (even if dead) example of a real life independent network. No VPN's no internet linking.
Just straight up RF links.
>>37557
Collage level education is free here. Currently. It's likely gona become paid as current budget cuts hit the universities and collages hard.
>>37615
Anonymity still is one of the main reasons why chans can be good and have interesting discussions. No post counts or namefagging.
Just people discussing.
>>38071
I agree with you on that.
>>38147
IRC sure is still alive for niche technical stuff.
>>38405
Does a service or site really need to be popular?
Sustainable amount of high quality users is imho better than popularity. Enough add revenue and/or donations to pay for the servers.
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No.39783
>>39775
Wasn't packet radio extremely limited in terms of speed?
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No.39784
>>39774
>I don't know if you keep in touch with what kids are doing but they aren't getting more skilled, on the contrary they are getting incredibly stupid
I definitely agree.
If you regularly used technology 10 years ago, it was because you really liked it, and you understood how it worked. If you had Wifi in your house, you were pretty hot shit. Now everybody has their computers, their smartphones, their tablets, and they're on the internet more than ever before but they don't know shit. The stereotypical "grandma on the internet?" That's the average kid today.
My father and I are pretty good with computers (I "know" more than my father, but that's just because his knowledge is more dated - he can work with a few ancient programming languages). My younger brother? Not so much.
>>39775
>Making or running your own networks is hard frigging work.
Small scale is easy. Large scale is pretty hard, just because you have to coordinate everything.
>Sustainable amount of high quality users is imho better than popularity. Enough add revenue and/or donations to pay for the servers.
Some services need scale to survive. So it does matter.
>>39783
Packet radio wasn't exactly fast, but it wasn't modern, either. It could have gotten faster.
Still not going to argue for it, though. I don't think the average user should need a broadcast license to get on the internet, but it was the right idea. They could move data cheap.
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No.39788
>>39775
>>39774
A lot of naivety in these two posts, especially in the social analysis. Not going to correct all of it, but you should know it's poor etiquette to deliver single-line personal thoughts on many posts at once. Engage & contribute or don't. Your opinions aren't important just because they're yours
>I could encrypt everything strongly, but then I would have to remember keys and pass phrases, and that takes effort.
Your point's fair, but I'd suggest looking into Master Password or Keepass. They're secure and normalfag-tier easy to use & setup. I'd argue they're also actually more convenient than the default, assuming you're not already using a proprietary keyring (i.e. iCloud keychain) - you only have to remember and keep one master pw safe (though you should be using two-factor authentication).
>Making or running your own networks is hard frigging work.
Not true. Gaining momentum on an alt network is the problem, it's about adoption. For example, someone shared tilde.club earlier, setting up your own unix host like that is cheap and fairly trivial, but what producer would use it seriously? What consumer would incorporate it into their feed? It stays a gimmick and nostalgic holdover of past days.
Another example are mailing lists which aren't difficult to organize or necessarily outmoded by 2.0 forums in the way telnet BBS is (their structure is different, in the way reddit and tumblr are different, not feature-limited like telnet vs phpBB) - same is true of MUDs - but they're still very dead. It's a problem of culture and not technology. People want surfacenet services and self-contained apps.
>As now it's corp's not national laws that define what's acceptable.
I disagree. I don't know if you're familiar with neoreactionary theory, it's a para-academic field of thought developed over the net in the last decade, but their political analysis of modern western government (persuasively, imo) argues that the democratic State has heavy structural incentivizes to control public values and narrative as a necessity for self-sustenance - populism being by definition their primary existential determinant. In other words, you can hack democracy by brainwashing voters given sufficient power - in practice, through direct control over academia and the media. In my opinion, it's the most nuanced and persuasive outlook on our contemporary global State.
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No.39790
>>39788
>you should know it's poor etiquette to deliver single-line personal thoughts on many posts at once
Since when?
>ngage & contribute or don't. Your opinions aren't important just because they're yours
Seem we have an uppity fuck in here….
>I don't know if you're familiar with neoreactionary theory
'ello /pol/, what did the j00s did to you today?
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No.39792
>>39242
> Mocking the use of images
> On an Imageboard
> Mocking the use of images on a permanently paranoid board on said imageboard.
> When there is literally a post that says "Srsly guys, stop using text"
> "Lol attentionwhore"
Frag yourself
>>39788
> "I disagree. I don't know if you're familiar with neoreactionary theory…"
That was a really long way of saying "People don't have informed opinions, they just ask friends and media for info and roll with it blindly"
If it's really important, just plug in some keywords to search for.
> "A lot of naivety in these two posts…"
At least it doesn't read like an english essay omae.
Ill credit your response to >>39775 on networks, but I'd take condensed and easily filtered bullshit as opposed to long winded rants
>>39790
Dude. Get some lube on that ass boy and chug a bottle of Tylenol cause your ass is bleeding.
>>37381
It's clearnet m8. As long as there is still a mysticism or technique behind technology and an abundance of technically incapable primates operating it there will be a shazbot free area of the net.
WWW may be dead or dying, but the net as a whole is just interconnected systems. Even if the whole internet was censored, local meshnets would still be a thing amongst hobbyists, professionals, protestors, and punks.
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No.39794
>>39792
What are you samefagging? you're the buttblasted shazbot that started talking shit
If you can't handle the banter then GTFO
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No.39795
>>37615
Well, what about a "this user has at least one post from more than a week ago" that board owners can decide on? It'd be easy to implement (just a cookie, it doesn't even have to carry more data than a date)
Of course, that'd be in a *chan, but on other sites similar stuff could be implemented, as it is on many other sites (date of joining, etc.)
It'd cut down on accusations of "newfag" and "shills", at least a little bit
For the encouragement of OC creation, well, oekaki hasn't helped much, has it? Something could be done to make it the default option, though, or maybe, and this is a far stretch, making it not be quite so bunky as it already is, and maybe even adding some ways to load images.
Seriously, the oekaki applet needs a huge rework, at least in this very chan. On other sites, some nudges could be done? Maybe forbidding old pictures from being reposted (either you get an alternative, or you open paint and change something, and while you're at it you're bound to change some more, to make the picture even more appropiate)
And the rest of the OC that's not limited to images and such? And in other, non-IB sites? Excercise for the reader, hahaha!
One thing, though, is that the font might also influence. After all, if it's hard to read, you want it to be worth the effort. Much like how stuff written in cursive is more memorable than what's written in print.
>>37665
Well, and how will a kid learn to write if it's all typing?
One blackout and he's basically illiterate.
Of course, once the kid's knowledge is bigger, and he has more exigencies on his papers, more emphasis has to be put on typing, as it's way faster and cleaner, and a 15-page essay is much easier to read in such a format. But every kid has to, IMHO, learn to write with pen and paper! And word has come to me that in the US they don't teach cursive any more. What the fuck?!
>>37693
Well, a conflict of interest is much what we're having here.
Problem is, "quality" communities tend to be obscure and unknown, so splitting can't help them. After all, if I hadn't been on the "stupid" boards of all places, I wouldn't have come here.
>>38224
I feel that the incredible obscure discussion isn't necessary. Maybe just a cable network, or wireless but on a different frequency, and with a different set of tools for connecting would cut out most of the fat. After all, who wants to waste their time going to the store to get a cable, or wireless adapter/antenna
I know a cable network would be impractical if you want to connect with people around the world, and you'd probably never actually sell the adapter, instead having to DIY (Which is actually a pretty nifty normie-barrier), but the thought, I believe, is worth considering. A non-standard internet, with more or less the same tools.
This is all a mindfart, sure, but if you want to have an incredible obtuse conversation about stuff that doesn't really amerit it, up to making your own specifications for talking, it'll eventually get in the way and annoy, unless it's well implemented, coming organically into being (much like memespeak or whatever you call the language of this place). But, for having it coming into being organically, you'll have to be a long time (>10 years? or such) helping it grow. And meanwhile, you're open for normies. Like the research paper example, it's a set of conventions that's been developing for centuries! Of course, with many changes, radical ones, but still.
>>38832
Probably a set of wallpapers? If so, I'm very much interested in having them. Please, >>38790 share!
>>39279
Well, talk about an outsider getting angry about a comment not even directly addressed at him
>>39792
>but I'd take condensed and easily filtered bullshit as opposed to long winded rants
I wouldn't :^)
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No.39811
>>39790
>since when?
Since before your time, obviously.
>>39792
>as opposed to long winded rants
Just cause it flew over your head doesn't mean a single sentence in my post, besides time wasted on learning the newfag, was superfluous.
>>39795
>encouraging non-immediately decaying cookies to track IP
>one week being a measure of newness
The sign of a newfag would be anyone who allowed a cookie longer than an hour, especially here of all places.
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No.39837
>>39811
No tracking IP, a cookie. Here at cyber, yes, it's of a newfag, or a non-paranoid fag.
But at other boards, where the newfag accusing is worse (/pol/, /v/, the big ones), nobody would care.
The people who accuse others of newfaggotry tend to be the windows users, people who attack the person and not the argument.
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No.39838
I've been linking this to try and awaken some people I know. My sister actually finally dropped Facebook because of how easy it is to find people
http://paranoidsbible.tumblr.com/library
Their namesake PDF seems to get the most shock out of some people. My sister has been spamming everyone she knows with it now.
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No.39849
Networking n00b here. It seems as though Meshnets will be the end game for users such as ourselves.
How secure and reliable are meshnets? The idea seems flimsy in the security department. Whats to stop any group, whether it be alphabet soup or state-cucked-network-nerd to generally disrupt/DoS one?
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No.39859
>>39837
Accusing people of newfaggotry isn't even a problem. It's a measure against culture decay just like what you're trying to brainstorm. Understanding its mechanism would get you a lot further than misidentifying it as a problem. An atmosphere of paranoid hostility towards a perceived, rightfully or not, influx of aggressively foreign immigrants is conducive to their quick assimilation. Calling out cancer and disregarding their posts for insignificant slipups and little tells forces them to post less until they can learn the board culture and behavior and not attract attention to themselves (lurk moar). Your suggestion eliminates the need to properly assimilate by tying 'citizenship' to time and not behavior, allowing fresh posters to retain their foreign cancer and corrupt the host board's culture, which, in the case of an anonymous imageboard, always pushes further towards the egotistic and identitarian, the permanent and the social - non subjectively a corruption as antithetical to transiency and anonymity.
Try to keep Chesterton's Fence in mind:
>In the matter of reforming things, as distinct from deforming them, there is one plain and simple principle; a principle which will probably be called a paradox. There exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, “I don’t see the use of this; let us clear it away.” To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: “If you don’t see the use of it, I certainly won’t let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it.
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No.39860
>>39838
You know there's pdf upload here right?
I was going to attach it here for you, but I just read the Bible and OPSEC papers. It's baby's first guide to using the internet. I don't understand why you think anyone would find it useful here.
And they've taken the blue pill. I don't know why there's a cosplay article, but it's got injected trash about gender and respect (it's NEVER okay to ask if someone's single) and there's an entire article dedicated to cyberbullying.
Stay on reddit, shazbot
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No.39866
>>39849
For something like cjdns, it has end to end encryption for all traffic. This would be very secure if it was implemented correctly. As for DoS attacks within a meshnet, this varies depending on the size, shape, structure, and whether it is based around invitations and knowing someone or a public system where everyone can connect to everyone. In both situations, someone could drive by your house and DoS your router or whatever you're using. If the meshnet was setup as a public system where everyone connects to everyone automatically, then someone DoSing the network would have to be blacklisted from each node. If it was a private system, then you probably wouldn't have even let them connect in the first place.
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No.39873
>>39860
If you were a real cyberpunk, you'd be typing in 1337.
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No.39878
>>38652
good post, ignorance is not a binary thing. I'm sure somewhere out there there's a doctor rolling his eyes at us for caring more about hardware and software than our own bodies.
Some people are normies through and through, but I doubt it's a cut and dry 80-20 thing. (probably) Most people have nontrivial intelligence when it comes to something. That doesn't excuse them from turning their brains completely off online but I worry about the excessive elitism I see in communities like this. You know the kind. The "I can into computers/networks/programming and everyone who can't is Stupid™" kind. I don't think it's without its caveats.
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No.40015
>>39878
I found quite dubious equating intelligence with education. If you ask me, intelligence is about the processor, not the storage.
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No.40017
>>40015
the evidence proves you right to a strong degree. It's really not a matter of personal perspective.
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No.40030
>>39521
100% agree
>>39543
facebook and such have damanged not only the internet but all of humanity. It's so hard to convince people of this though. It undermines what is so good about the internet.
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No.44868
>>38164
lol, spotted a normie kid.
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No.44870
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No.44871
>>37570
do you know what dilemma means?
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No.44901
>>37392
>The Internet survived "Eternal September."
>implying
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No.46062
>>37450
i'm with you man, i know you're not a kid like other mindless idiots on /cyber/ who weren't even born when internet was like the internet they are missing is supposed to be.
it's really funny how you got called a kid by >>39365, a person who uses tbh, a sure sign that someone is a kid.
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No.46063
>>39838
>awaken
lmao.
namaste!
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No.46183
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No.48468
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No.51816
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No.51823
>>51816
This was already established decades ago, newfriend. Lurk moar
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No.51824
>>38927
despite the convenience, overall the internet has, IMHO, degraded human society as a whole.
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No.51825
>>39788
>it's a para-academic field of thought developed over the net in the last decade
>in the last decade
Nigger James Madison and all the rest of those old fucks knew about this two centuries and change ago. That's why they made the the country they built a republic, in a desperate attempt to keep this in check and avoid disenfranchising the marginalized and isolated.
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No.51827
>>51824
don't blame the tool, blame the users
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