No.15933 [View All]
I never use my smartphone's features and I don't like the idea of having accounts and spyware in my phones software (yes i know about custom roms, my phone currently runs cyanogen, and if i could it would run replicant). So what are some cool old (or maybe new) phones that can be used on today's networks for about $50?
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No.52210
>>52198
>calling someone a larper on /cyber/
i think the soycaf is gettng to your head
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No.52211
>>52198
>being this autistic
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No.52497
>>15933
>https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
> Hardware radio kill switch
> Runs Linux
> Still a phone, and subject to surveillance anyway.
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No.52521
>>52497
>hardware killswitch
Haha, i'll believe it when I see it. You bet that phone is going to be backdoored to hell and back.
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No.52615
>>52521
>that phone is going to be backdoored to hell and back
1. The CPU-Modem communication is over a protocol (USB I think), so none of the insecure memory sharing between CPU and baseband to worry about.
2. The only blob mentioned is proprietary code loaded into the DRAM PHY.
This is not ideal, but it's a hell of a lot better than anything else on the market. Look at the ReplicantOS site if you want to see how broken your closest alternatives are.
And don't say "I'll use a dumb phone"; SS7 and Diameter are broken, you should be using an IP based system so you can properly encrypt (double ratchet, ZRTP) your communications.
>>44356 That's actually a really good idea
>>50991 yeah, Osmocombb is always worth watching
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No.52725
>manually removed google and stock apps with root
>only use f-droid/apkmirror
>added google, amazon and microsoft IPs to my adaway hosts file
>afwall+ to block the few proprietary apps i use from connecting to the internet and for routing all my social apps through tor with orbot (clover, mastodon, telegram, etc)
>everything else connecting through an off-the-shelf VPN service
>full disk encryption on both SD card and internal storage
On a scale from 1/Cyber how good is this, anything else i should add? i'm aware that the baseband is probably backdoored to hell and back but i'm not ready to give up my pocket computer.
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No.52762
>>52725
Good enough, the research and effort to take things farther is something that people won't do for free. The research into the baseband is something that is beyond me, I tried to figure it out. Went through lots of phones and borrowed a high end scope, easily spent a year on reverse engineering. The possibility of hacking the radio to create a new p2p network was what I was going for. Plus the ability to detect backdoors as a free bonus. I didn't get very far but I did get some shells(not on any phones worth mentioning). Either way without a team of researchers and lots of brouzouf we are both in the same plece. Don't trust it further than you can throw it.
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No.52777
>>52497
52521 is right, I just checked out their current specs and they are using proprietary stuff all over lol.
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No.52789
>>52725
I personally prefer to flash LineageOS without gapps rather than manually remove google stuff manually.
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No.52790
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No.52902
>>45330
>Nokia E75, E52 and N95
If it has a front-facing camera, we own it.
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No.52903
>>52209
FUCKING UNDERRATED POST
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No.54844
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No.54846
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No.54855
https://wiphone.io
It only has WiFi connectivity (VOIP) although a daughter board using the expansion port on the back is planned if there's enough interest.
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No.54899
>>54855
This is hella schway
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No.54918
>>54855
>>54899
Kickstarter is about to go live too, they emailed everyone on their list yesterday, but then… lost their video?
Should be funding in the next few days I guess, if that's your thing. I like that they've proposed a LoRaWAN module for it. I'd love to see low-bitrate, long-range, P2P mesh networks on that thing. Fuck yeah.
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No.55079
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No.55080
>>54855
It'd be nice if it'd have better battery life but you can do wifi talk on most phones and all you'll need is just make or find the app and the right antenna for the AP.
>smartphone botnet
Hope they release the schematics of the device otherwise it'd be suspiciously glowing.
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No.55109
>>29500
Does anybody recommend a cheap android phone to get?
I want to go on metasploit adventures without looking like I'm carrying a raspberry pi bomb.
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No.55111
>>55109
Nigguh! Just shell into your pi from your phone. J
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No.55118
>>55080
There's already a stretch goal of a secondary battery on the back, but there's also nothing stopping you putting a higher capacity one in yourself.
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No.55119
I have an old Nexus 5 with Nethunter installed, put a nice standing case on it, tempered glass screen proctector, an OTG cable and a TP-LINK TL-WN727N attached to the back. Its a fun device and idk it looks pretty /cyb/. Ill post a pic later if anyone cares.
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No.55126
>>55119
What do you use Nethunter for?
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No.55161
I would like to exchange smartphone into normal phone. I'm just sick of listening, spying and making personal adverts on every page after i was talking about this thing with someone. I really wonder which phone would be the best one for me - something like nokia 3310 but with better battery. I concider carring normal map of my city, mp4 player and digital camera. I think that's good choice. We give freedom in exchange for comfort. We have access to unbelivable amount of information but become more stupid than ever. We do not learn anything because of having access to every information in every second of our live. Something must be change. Nothing destroyd relation between people like smartphone does.
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No.55187
Here are some pretty good phones which are indestructable and waterproof. I had one of them and it was unbeliavbly great especially camera at night was awansome. I really recommend if you are looking for some /cyber/ and practical.
Don't look at the brand name on the phone that's polish company so name can be silly (my homeland so smart and creative in tech).
https://www.myphone.pl/product/hammer/ - no smartphone
https://www.myphone.pl/product/hammer-iron-2/ - smartphone
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No.55188
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No.55191
>>55187
>trusting a phone designed rebranded by pollocks
Kek
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No.55197
Bad things you're talking about are caused by nonfree software.
Definition of free software:
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
Having another proprietary brickphone, won't fix the problem. You should use only a phone that runs 100% free software, but such a phone doesn't exist yet. There are close ones though:
https://replicant.us/supported-devices.php
https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
https://hackaday.io/project/19035-zerophone-a-raspberry-pi-smartphone
I hope in the future, there will be more free hardware devices thanks to Libre Risc-V and EOMA68.
https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop
https://www.crowdsupply.com/libre-risc-v/m-class
Stay away from the botnet.
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No.55198
>>55197
Forgot my arrows
>>55161
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No.55349
>>33474
idk, it'll be pretty /cyber/ when they're just little glass holograms in our palms
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No.55365
>>16277
there are some netbook/tablet-hybrids out there that can do that - mostly asus. never tried one tbh.
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No.55385
>>54855
I just came on this thread to post this, but you beat me to it!
God, I'd love one of those as a replacement of my old N101
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No.55402
Just came to shill the wiphone some more.
It launches next week at $89 on kick starter. Here's the video.
https://ksr-video.imgix.net/projects/3634574/video-950068-h264_high.mp4
https://wiphone.io
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No.55406
>>55402
That has to be the weirdest sounding motherfucker on the planet. He sounds like warm toffee learned to speak.
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No.55415
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No.55449
>>54855
>>55402
>>54918
>>54899
>>55415
Kickstarter is now live! Early bird already sold out.
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No.55483
uuuuuuuh, so it's like generic cell phone from 2008 with unknown SIP software (no encryption, vpns and tor) and without cell modem?
Wow, totally worth it. #hacktheplanet my dudes
Adding robot wheels to a 90-dollar device you bought as a cell phone replacement is beyond my comprehension.
Since this project is on Kikestarter instead of Crowd Supply, I assume they didn't pass the bullshit test
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No.55543
I actually like having a smartphone because I use mine to play games and fuck around online. Plus I like drones and pairing them with my phone for control and recording footage is convenient as fuck.
However, I don't much like the main OSes that come with them. My next one I plan to load with Replicant, which seems cyberpunk enough. Escaping the botnet is next to impossible these days and frankly I don't give enough of a fuck to bother with the extra effort required, I just want to have as much control over my security as I can while still having a usable piece of hardware.
So my thought with that in mind is why not have some kind of cyberpunk shit going on with the case? Attachments to block the camera when I'm not using it, things to extend bluetooth range, concealed pentesting kits, tracking and GPS interference, shit like that.
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No.55546
DUMBPHONES
OS is probably a hacked together scrap of old RTOS and poorly written customizations.
Danger is that the only people who really understand dumbphone OS code (especially now) are probably Cellebrite and the NSA/CIA/GCHQ.
BOTNET MINIMAL
see >>55197
Phones with the greatest number of well-understood/open-source-driven parts are the way to go.
I've heard promising things about Librem 5, apart from the DRAM PHY weirdness >>52615 already mentioned
Necuno, er Necunos? seems to be fairly similar to the Librem 5, just with a less powerful CPU and Wifi-only.
It's in REALLY small batches ATM though; and the price for round one makes Librem 5 look like a bargain:
> The price of NC_1 will be 1199 euros including VAT and worldwide shipping. Shipping of first devices will start in March of 2019
https://necunos.com/news/necunos-nc_1-and_ne_1-press-release/
>>54855
The Wi(fi)phone sounds interesting, but I don't know enough about the ESP32 processor it's using;
does it have enough power to encrypt audio?
what open source software supports the Xtensa ISA?
Aside: interesting tidbit from the Wiki page, the ESP32, Microsoft Hololens, and AMD's TrueAudio use similar DSP cores.
It is weird that they chose Kickstarter > Crowdsupply
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No.55571
>>15953
Holy shit, I remember having one of these.
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No.55627
People keep talking about dumbphones >>45330
>>55546
>the only people who really understand dumbphone OS code (especially now) are probably Cellebrite and the NSA/CIA/GCHQ.
is this true? are there any dumbphones that are understood inside and out by the 'street?
Or is everyone here just using horribly insecure piles of proprietary shit?
Realistically, the WiFone is probably what you'd really want, and then lease time on a no-logging, bitcoin-paid VOIP service.
Though can the WiPhone hardware actually handle encryption? Whats the point of a botnet free phone if everything is sent and logged in cleartext anyway?
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No.55630
>>55627
Encryption is listed as a stretch goal so I assume it can handle it. That said it's still $40,000 short of said stretch goal. >>55627
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No.55631
>>55630
>>55627
Encryption isn't implemented however they've promised to make the firmware and hardware open source once it's funded. There probably isn't anything stopping someone implementing encryption themselves.
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No.55639
>>55631
unless the hardware can't handle it
even on desktop chips u see stuff like AES ASICs, is an ESP32 capable of handling ZRTP?
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No.56061
Any input on simple CDMA based phones. Verizon based network works the best in area and the GSM has far more choices, but service is shit at home.
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No.56367
guess what dingus, "dumb" phones have software that can be hacked to. only now you're blasting your bits out in cleartext while i'm loling on signal, securely.
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No.57762
I've been using a google pixel loaded with grapheneOS. I cant recommend it enough.
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No.58599
I already know that if someone contacts you repeatedly, it is critical to learn as much information https://celltrackingapps.com/is-there-a-truly-free-reverse-phone-number-lookup/ as possible about who is calling you and why. As a result, you must determine who is making these calls. This information regarding how to figure out who is calling was really helpful, and that's how I was able to better comprehend it, and now no one disturbs me. I hope I was able to assist someone else in some way.
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No.58636
Richard Stallman does not approve of the very idea of a cell phone by design. However, he supports the development of the Android fork Replicant with the hope that it will one day lead to fully free mobile devices. And only with such a device can you really ensure full privacy.
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