No.1069673 [Last50 Posts]
How much longer will the "calarts" style be around for? To be more specific the noodle arm, bean head, bean mouth, incredibly simple geometric bodies, etc. When will there be more animators doing their own style? I know indie animation is a thing, but in mainstream cartoons everything looks the same.
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No.1069704
>>1069673
>How much longer will the "calarts" style be around for?
As long as it has an audience.
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No.1069705
Until people learn how to actually draw something that isn't CalArts.
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No.1069707
Until american animators will rely on cheap flash animations, and low cost productions.
"b-but is actually expensive"
Fuck this shit. Be real, these scribbles are popular in US animation cause is fast and cheap to make. That is all.
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No.1069708
>>1069707
Tell that to the audience, TTGO is still played non-stop for a reason and shit like Primal barely get the ratings needed to warrant a continuation.
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No.1069709
>>1069708
From what I remember, the pajeet in charge of CN's scheduling (Vishnu Athreya or something like that) is at fault for that. He has a track record too, he did the same thing to CN Asia with Oggy and the Cockroaches. Of course, it 's not helped by that Christine Miller bitch antagonizing people about it because TTG apparently still gets ratings.
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No.1069716
>>1069709
Sadly it does get ratings mostly the brain dead toddler demographic
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No.1069719
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No.1069722
>>1069719
When you present it like this, calarts literally evolves like how cancer does.
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No.1069743
>>1069716
>>1069708
More proof that today's youth is beyond saving.
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No.1069806
>>1069707
>"b-but is actually expensive"
> Be real, these scribbles are popular in US animation cause is fast and cheap to make.
It's still expensive, yo. We had once a discussion about their Work methods and cost versus Anime productions or France productions. Conclusion: Those Bean Calretards are overpaid , lazy and incompetent as animators. For comparison japanese animators know where they have animate parts and how much frames in a scene, this is why anime characters don't get much animated when they talk, this is why they are cheap they still efficient like in the cartoon dark age. Calretards they don't care and don't check their own stuff after they send their model sheets and storyboards to overseas studios like Rough Draft Studio which still animate with pencils and let them animated everything, this is where the cost are getting very high.
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No.1069807
>>1069806
Actually most Japanese animators are not unionized, get terrible pay, long hours and typically get worked to death (literally). Which is why they're able to produce so much content, they love what they do but it isn't sustainable long term.
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No.1069815
>>1069719
I really liked flapjack and adventure time
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No.1069816
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
This was a project by a calarts student named "Dream Bandits"
>>1069673
Also, dont forget HBO Max ordered 4 Adventure Time specials for 2020
http://archive.is/kIv14
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No.1069818
>>1069816
This honestly looks great.
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No.1069828
>>1069673
They are like only six shows in the last decade out of 50. Yes, I made the math (technically I forced some autismo to do it for me, but you get the idea) you don't like a specific artstyle? it's okay, just don't blame a university or the whole medium because two cartoons channels are having more shows made in the style you don't like. There are plenty other animated projects out there, just go look or them.
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No.1069904
>>1069807
It was sustainable for decades, but now there are too many productions.
Anime is low cost to produce but American shows ultimately have more money at their disposal (I don't mean just in absolute terms, but in terms of "spending power"). Americans scoff at anime being "cheap" and "cutting corners" but when they're asked why their animation doesn't look as good as anime they say it's because they don't have enough money or can't cut any more costs.
Too much focus on money, like more money just automatically translates into more quality and there's no such things as waste, bloat, mismanagement and lack of ability. Just insert coin and press the "animate" button–anyone can do it. Anime has operated under lean conditions for its entire existence and has become really efficient, and instead of spending the last 40 years sending storyboards to overseas contractors and turning animation into just a classroom excercise they've been developing their own abilities in real world conditions. They also don't blow half their budget on voice actors, and pay attention to more things than just how many frames a second a character's jaw is moving.
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No.1069905
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>>1069904
now do European anime please
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No.1069908
>>1069905
I don't know much about how the European industries work.
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No.1069915
>>1069905
>>>1069905
>>>1069905
>Same as the Japaneses but more experimental. Xilam animation production is a main example in french animation industry. Here are overview examples of recent animated kid show from some european countries and their budgets too. https://archive.is/vy7gv https://archive.is/nuMMd
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No.1069916
>>1069915
Fuck Can't delete posts, anyway
>>1069915
>>1069905
Same as the Japaneses but more experimental. Xilam animation production is a main example in french animation industry. Here are overview examples of recent animated kid show from some european countries and their budgets too. https://archive.is/vy7gv https://archive.is/nuMMd
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No.1069917
>>1069916
If my math isn't off, Moka translates into 27 full length episodes, and the budget per episode would be about $322,000. The average in Japan is about $150,000.
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No.1069918
>>1069905
>European anime
the deterritorialization process is now complete
the postmoderns where right.
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No.1069924
>>1069918
>implying the french word for animated cartoon isn't anime
they were using it before the japs did
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No.1070102
>>1069905
What the hell is this show?
it looks like those 2000's fake-anime.
I see there are some episodes on YT, but all are in pasta-speak.
Is there a dubbed version?
Whatever happened with the subbers anons from couple of years ago?
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No.1070110
>>1070102
from what i could get it was a cartoon made for "RAI Gulp" ( a RAI channel focused on cartoon and teen sitcoms)
The project was supposed to air in 2014/15 but ended up airing on 2018.
Its only 26 episodes. Due to its "QUALITY" i doubt plus4chan or other non-anime subbers would care about it.
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No.1070158
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>>1070110
>RAI
as in RAI TV?
Werent those the ones that cancelled "Girls of Olympus" just after it was announced ?
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No.1070182
>calarts
>in current year
>>1069719
>flapjack and adventure time is calarts
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No.1070195
>>1070182
so, why do you bring a video by a literal tumblrite as porve of anything, newfriend?
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No.1070205
>>1070158
any reason why this was canned?
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No.1070207
>>1070195
>literal tumblrite
STFU Neo-reddit tumblrite
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No.1070260
>>1070182
>all_modern_cartoons_look_the_same.webm
We know who they to appeal. They are all the same oversimplified cartoons trying to be wacky and deep. Then we have the anime wannabees.
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No.1070390
>>1070260
>>1070195
>i will not consider the context in any form unless it is from a source i personally justify
sounds like you niglets are bitter AND blind
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No.1070393
>>1070205
Zeus raping all of the main caste was considered inapropriate for kids
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No.1071194
>>1070158
Reember the studio doing the animation was "The animation Band", they did some cartoons exclusively for Italy in the 00s
This stuff getting canned seems to have killed em (their last update was in 2013, when this show got announced and then cancelled)
They had a YT channel but it updated like a year ago without further news.
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No.1071231
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Everything from movies to videogames has been sterilized, it's really sad to see.
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No.1071239
>>1069673
>The Amazing World of Gumball (produced by CN Europe, created by a French/British and animated by Irish folk)
>which had a first season consisting of quite possibly the finest animation of a televised series during the 2010s
>'calarts'
no
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No.1071281
>>1069905
Tried to watch some of it, but pasta speak is much more blunt than frog speak.
>Heroine is a goody 2 shows good at many things named Luce
>Villianes is a Feisty Redhead space Princess Fedora
I know is weebtrash wannabe tier , but shit, Fedora has more charisma as a villian than the heroine, plus she has her chadette moments.
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No.1071293
>>1071281
>>1071239
this
>>1070260
>all_modern_cartoons_look_the_same.webm
Watch the webm, it's saying way different anon.
>>1071281
Anime is the true cal-arts.
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No.1071295
>>1071293
It's not an anime, it's a Western series.
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No.1071298
>>1071295
more proof that anime is killing Western series
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No.1071303
>>1069905
>>1071281
The fuck is this show?
Cant even find porn of it.
>Redhead is better girl
nothing new.
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No.1071304
>>1071303
>Cant even find porn of it.
good
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No.1071306
>>1071298
You say that like more anime influence somehow means worse results.
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No.1071307
>>1071306
anime must be destroyed
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No.1071308
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No.1071416
>>1071308
Because anime became more popular than Western animation these days. Leaves some days pretty salty about it.
Honestly I could sympathise, but one of the factors for anime's current popularity boom is due to the decline in Western entertainment such as CalArts and Tumblr garbage driving people away.
Unfortunately the West may never make another beautiful series like Gargoyles ever again. I heard the Ducktales reboot was good though.
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No.1071418
>>1069673
To add on to the Calarts shitfest there's a new "Magical Girl Inspired" parody premiering on Syfy called "Magical Girl Friendship Squad" with a total of six episodes lasting 15 minutes each. Here's a link to the article and trailer.
https://archive.md/oMmN1
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No.1071420
>>1071308
Because anime made a generation of western animators lazy by abusing limited animation Technics + very simple character design.
>>1071416
>I heard the Ducktales reboot was good though.
Nah, you will disappointed. Nu-ducktales is a woke Venture Bros.
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No.1071421
>Honestly I could sympathise, but one of the factors for anime's current popularity boom is due to the decline in Western entertainment such as CalArts and Tumblr garbage driving people away.
It also has to do with how certain genres are rarely animated unless you go nip.
>straight action cartoons are dead. With near everything being an action comedy hybrid with heavy emphasis on the comedy.
>romance cartoons never really became a thing aside from disney . With romance being mostly a subplot thing in most cartoons.
> Only certain subgenre's or tones of genre media are made in the west. There is no dark fantasy, no epic fantasy, no space opera, no adventure cartoons that style themselves after anything but adventure time. It's very narrow in comparison to anime which still gets several shows in these genres, even with the glut of formulaic haremshit or isekai.
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No.1071423
>>1071421
I just missed what everyone in this age called cheesy western cartoon with basic plot
. I am a simple man.
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No.1071424
>>1071421
should also add that western adult animation is much narrower, with most shows aimed at adults begin shitty animated comedies or shit like this >>1071418 , with shows like venture bros being the exception to the rule. Those in charge of cartoon studios seem not to get how big a demographic teenagers/young adults are either, with no show explicitly pandering to their tastes and the shows that do acquire an audience like that being gutted because they don't buy toys.
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No.1071425
>>1071420
>western animators
You mean the anonymous Asians that the animation is outsourced to. They don't even use anime techniques, and anyone who thinks anime = lazy doesn't know shit about animation. If you mean anime has simple character design it's time to put down the crack pipe.
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No.1071427
>>1069905
>>1071281
this show was outsourced to a korean "Studio SEK" it seems.
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No.1071429
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No.1071495
>>1071429
what the hell did you expect at this point?
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No.1071498
>>1071429
To be fair, Penn was just there to hire Blowey Zoey to kill a guy and decided to buy a teleseminar from Anita's van.
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No.1071512
>>1069673
>>1069707
It's not so much a popular and obligatory art style as it is likely due to corporate mandate to try and shove what's worked on other shows into this just like they did anime-inspired cartoons in the 00's, and failing miserably (and a pinch of laziness from the cast and crew) and/or an overlap of styles from working closely together.
"Cal-Arts style" was a phrase John K. would use to describe shows he didn't like, such as Dexter's Lab, The Powerpuff Girls, even Animaniacs, because he felt that all of these people were graduates from these same schools, and were told to drawn a certain way he didn't approve of, and that phrase it's being re-appropriated again to describe this new "bean-face" trend going on with cartoons, which I agree is a problem; more so with the fact that executives can think they can plaster this look onto other reboots (see The Powerpuff Girls, Ben 10, Thundercats, and so on). And if you still don't get why that's such a stupid thing to say, most of these people didn't graduate from CalArts, and most that did made vastly different looking cartoons afterwards.
>Rebecca Sugar (Steven Universe) and Ian Jones Quartey (OK KO) Graduated from the School of Visual Arts in New York
>Ben Bocquelet (Gumball) graduated from EMCA in France.
The only people who did graduate from CalArts that're used in that image floating around showing the beanfaces were Daron Nefcy (Star Vs.) and Alex Hirsch (Gravity Falls), but even then Alex also worked for his classmate Thurop Van Orman immediately after graduating on Flapjack. Other graduates like Pendelton Ward, J.G. Quintel, Gennedy Tartokovsky (Dexter's Lab/Samurai Jack), Craig McCracken (PPG/Foster's/Wander Over Yonder), Lauren Faust, I could go on; the creator of Thundercats Roar - a.k.a. not the manbun guy - Marley Halpern-Graser isn't even from CalArts, he's from Canada.
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No.1071513
>>1071512
So basically:
>The beans are a problem
>The university, not
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No.1071516
>>1071512
probably many dont notice but Jhonny Test started it all, whne Execs saw how cheap that shit was to produce and how much you could spam it, they demanded more shit like that.
Also action toons with angles and perspectives is more expensive.
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No.1071777
>>1069905
>>1071281
searching around seems that the original studio that created this is ded
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No.1071786
>>1069905
>now do European Japanese Animation please
Fucking stupid
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No.1071792
>>1069704
Who cares about twitter/tumblr audience?
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No.1071793
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No.1071794
>>1069807
>Actually most Japanese animators are not unionized, get terrible pay, long hours and typically get worked to death
Doesn't sounds much different than American companies.
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No.1071795
>>1069708
Many shows nobody is watching are keep produced like Simpsons.
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No.1071796
>>1071794
Its far worse, a damn 7/11 employee in Japan makes more than a animator there.
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No.1071803
>>1071794
American animation companies don't have to think about this problem since they outsource their work to other countries instead.
>>1071796
Key animators make more, and they can also take animation direction and character design jobs that pay more than key animation.
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No.1071853
>Cartoonfags: "Bleh. All anime are so generic, they all look the same."
>Also cartoonfags: "Stop calling modern cartoon as Calarts cartoon!"
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No.1071857
>>1069905
>>1071281
All episodes seem to have italian subs
Is there a way to download those and google translate em?
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No.1071861
>>1071853
Anon, anime is cartoon.
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No.1071862
>>1071861
>anime is cartoon
Its French champagne logic.
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No.1071864
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No.1071867
>>1071862
aaaaAAAAAAhhhhh the french
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No.1071868
>>1071864
Real champagne is only from the champagne region of France and under certain laws you can't call sparkling wine champagne unless its from France. Anime is only from Japan, anything that claims to be anime that isn't from Japan (or Japanese directed) isn't anime; the only exception to the rule is Japan itself where the term comes from. Oddly enough "anime" as a word actually originates from France, if my memory is correct.
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No.1071873
>>1071868
>ddly enough "anime" as a word actually originates from France
"Anime" means animation in french, so regarding their origin, they call them animé.
>Anime is only from Japan, anything that claims to be anime that isn't from Japan (or Japanese directed) isn't anime; the only exception to the rule is Japan itself where the term comes from
That's why I prefer "japanese animation", even japanimation have more meaning than anime.
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No.1071889
>>1071861
Nobody actually seriously thinks this.
>>1071868
'Anime' comes from from 'animeeshon.'
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No.1071892
>>1071867
champagne, always celebrated for it's essekslence
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No.1071933
>>1069673
"Calarts" style doesn't exist, half of these cartoons had way more dedicated art for their pilots. Calarts is just a good place to learn and people from there often get hired so it looks like that's the shit they teach.
The truth is dickhead broadcasting companies fucking with the art style so they don't have to spend as much money on making the show. That's the real reason the "Calarts" style seems to exist. All of these cartoons (apart from Star vs.) have vastly different pilot art compared to the final product.
Although personally, Steven Universe really needed the art style change because holy shit was it fucking ugly.
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No.1071962
>>1071933
>"Calarts" style doesn't exist
>shows big eyes, strange proportions and pastel colors
You straight up prove yourself wrong with the first sentence.
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No.1071992
Cartoons have been disgusting since forever though, the "incredibly simple geometric bodies" has been a thing since I was born.
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No.1071996
>>1071962
>>1071933
Well he does have a point but not in the way he thinks he has. SU for one has literally no artistic oversight and all of its visuals are done by korean sweatshop animators who dont give a shit. I wouldnt be surprised if all those shows are contracted out to the same bugman sweatshop with the same people drawing and animating it.
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No.1071998
>>1071992
but iris is super cute.
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No.1072006
>>1071992
why would you post an edited version instead of the original to make your point? Who even made this version anyhow? Was it to bait ruby gloom fags?
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No.1072007
>>1072006
I think that's supposed to be the joke.
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No.1072010
>>1071992
I'd rather fuck Iris than this generic Moeblob that will probably piss in my bed all the time, like she most likely does in episode 1 of her weeb shit anime. I don't even need to watch it to predict it.
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No.1073402
>>1070182
If anything, this just proves that Western animation is shite, no matter the decade, and we all need to watch Asterix & Obelix.
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No.1073439
>>1069905
>>1071281
Someone, due of kindness or autism, put English subs to the first episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzOvJPcGNfM
its very low quality for a 2018 show
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No.1073461
>>1073402
Good job asshole, Albert Uderzo is dead because of your post.
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No.1073462
>>1073461
Mate, I was watching The Mokey show and I didn't freak out when Roman Arambula passed away.
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No.1073647
>>1073402
>If anything, this just proves that Western animation is shite, no matter the decade, and we all need to watch [western comic].
???
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No.1073654
>>1073462
>I was watching The Mokey show
The fuck is that?
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No.1073850
>>1069673
Cal arts won't die, it'll just evolve into something else over the next 10 years. Enjoy the ride down the toilet.
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No.1073874
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No.1073878
>>1073647
>implying that euro-comics aren't kino
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No.1074477
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>>1069673
As long as the instructors can easily maintain their coke, smack, and meth addictions as art teachers, American art colleges will continue to churn out garbage graduates with a marginal ability to draw or illustrate.
If you're an American who wanting to be a good animator who wants to go the college route, you'll have to go to East Asia or central Europe or Eastern Europe. Specifically, South Korea, Japan, possibly China, Belgium, France, Italy, or some former soviet republic. Or you can put in the work and go it without the schools like some did.
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