No.9366 [Last50 Posts]
How does /ck/ feel about vegan cuisine and/or veganism in general?
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No.9367
It's pure virtue signaling that only the shallowest, fakest people give two fucks about. You aren't making the slightest difference, no matter how much you've convinced yourselves you are, and it's literally for nothing.
This should honestly be the only reply to this shitty bait thread.
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No.9370
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No.9374
>>9367
>having a significantly lower risk of cancer and heart disease
>feeling lighter and overall healthier
>not supporting cattle farming which has been proven to be the #1 source of greenhouse gases
>less likely to develop erectile dysfunction caused by cholesterol-clogged arteries
>not consuming growth hormones
>not contributing to an industry that is taking food and water away from humans in order to feed their livestock to meet the demands for meat
>having the knowledge that you're not eating someone's mother
>literally for nothing
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No.9375
I tried it and ended up with iron deficiency
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No.9376
>>9375
Did you go vegan or vegetarian? Dairy is known to inhibit iron absorption so it's pretty common for vegetarians to get anemic.
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No.9377
Vegans are mentally ill
And vegan pet owners are the worst
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No.9380
>gf in highschool convinces me to go vegan with her
>actually try it and take her suggestions for what to eat
>fucking hungry all the time because no protein
>look up some actual shit about it
>nuts, beans, etc all day every day
>feel remarkably better in the space of a week
>after a month I find energy levels starting to get lower
>iron deficiency slowly creeps in
>talk to the nutritionist
>compare my old diet to the vegan one
>realize that I was eating greasy shit and no veg every day
>start eating meat again
>instantly feel better
>now meals are always at least 1/2 non-starchy veg, 1/4 meat, and 1/4 carb source
>start getting regular exercise
>break up with the gf because she can't handle the thought of those delicious little lambs being ruthlessly slaughtered and carved up for my consumption
Fuck vegans, fuck vegetarians, fuck fast food fatties, eat like a normal person instead.
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No.9381
>>9380
It sounds a lot like you were transitioning from a standard american diet (aka SAD) directly to a plant-based diet, without any nutritional knowledge and probably little to no cooking experience. Of course you'll get anemic if you have no idea how to fuel your body once you remove greasy shit, your primary if not sole energy source from your diet. But that's your own fault, not the fault of vegans.
I myself became anemic the first time I tried going vegan and went back to eating meat (2 times a week max because I never liked meat, besides bacon) but now that I'm more educated I'm giving it another try being more mindful about what I'm eating and 6 months in, I'm doing better than I've ever been.
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No.9384
>>9366
Pointless gimmick diets.
I'll stick with my diet high in vegetables and whole grains, moderate amount of legumes, and small amount of fish and virtually no red meat.
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No.9393
If you fear iron deficiency just eat lentils. And vitamin C, it helps.
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No.9397
>>9384
What are you, a faggot?
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No.9400
>>9397
A faggot that'll live to a hundred. Have fun dying in your 60's while I'm out blowing men at the age of 90, nerd.
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No.9407
>>9400
Bullshit. The large amount of preservatives I consume from processed foods will help preserve my body for centuries to come.
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No.9408
>>9384
Never had any problem with that one.
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No.9451
>>9374
>>having a significantly lower risk of cancer and heart disease
According to kike studies that cannot be trusted.
>>feeling lighter and overall healthier
Sure, compared to an absolute shit diet.
>>not supporting cattle farming which has been proven to be the #1 source of greenhouse gases
Who fucking cares? Hawaiian volcanos put out more greenhouse gases than cows anyway.
>>less likely to develop erectile dysfunction caused by cholesterol-clogged arteries
Fake and gay pseudoscience with no source.
>>not consuming growth hormones
>consuming soy, the most estrogen-rich food that there is
>>not contributing to an industry that is taking food and water away from humans in order to feed their livestock to meet the demands for meat
>taking food and water away from humans
In what country? I'm pretty sure I don't eat grass or sorghum, and I don't live in a drought-stricken area, so why should I care about the water?
>>having the knowledge that you're not eating someone's mother
Muh appeal to emotion
>>literally for nothing
That's right, kike. Because in a few billion years, the earth will become consumed by the sun no matter what we do.
Enjoy not living life to the fullest and constantly worrying about animals instead of just living your life.
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No.9455
>>9374
Your post is so incredibly retarded.
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No.9465
>>9451
But I am living life to the fullest; I feel better both physically and mentally, I have new amounts of energy that I haven't felt since I was a kid, my joints feel a lot stronger and statistically I have more time left to enjoy it than meat-eaters.
All your answers are either "Who cares?" or "NO! That's a jew study!" except for:
>In what country? I'm pretty sure I don't eat grass or sorghum, and I don't live in a drought-stricken area, so why should I care about the water?
The majority of cows are fed corn in order to keep it cheap for fast-food outlets. We could be using the fields used for growing corn and cattle for more sustainable fuel sources like plants and vegetables. Now assuming you're one of those "free-range organic grass-fed" meat eaters, that takes up even more land and is even less sustainable if everyone were to switch over to free-range grass fed beef.
Face it; the only reason not to go vegan is because you like the taste of meat.
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No.9468
>>9465
Did you mean vegetarian, or are you one of those people who think milk is murder?
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No.9473
>>9468
Neither. Milk isn't murder, and neither is meat, since murder refers to the killing of a human being, not an animal.
Now that that's out of the way, dairy products are harmful to our bodies, the environment, and by buying them you are supporting the veal industry since cows are artificially inseminated and their calves are taken away from their mothers soon after they're born so we can keep all the milk to ourselves while their mothers are milked dry by machines until they literally collapse from exhaustion, after which they are killed. Cows generally live up to around 20 years, but dairy cows only live an average of 5 years. The insane amount of stress put on these cows leads to painful infections such as mastitis and as a result milk contains a large amount of pus. Meanwhile, their babies are being chained up in veal farms preventing them from getting any exercise so their meat stays soft and desirable.
Cruel, but not murder.
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No.9504
>>9473
>buying milk supports two industries at once
Hella.
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No.9508
>>9465
>>9473
Tell me, how would I sustain my gains and testosterone levels on a vegan diet?
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No.9543
>>9508
You'd be doing so more effectively on a vegan diet, considering plants aren't pumped full of hormones to make them grow faster; your testosterone levels would in fact be more balanced. If you're under the impression that soy has estrogenic effects, keep in mind that these phyto-estrogens aka PLANT estrogens, and therefore have no effect on humans and animals, while the estrogens pumped into cattle is in fact processed by the human body and is proven to reduce testosterone in males. If you're still unconvinced, then don't eat soy, it's not a necessity for anybody. But most importantly, stay away from meat and dairy to keep your testosterone levels high.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496976
As for gains: http://www.greatveganathletes.com/bodybuilders
I am not a bodybuilder, I'm a freerunner, so I'm personally less interested in gains and more interested in being light, so I can't tell you about gains from experience, but look up people like Jon Venus and Brian Turner on Youtube, they may have your answers.
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No.9551
>>9543
>stay away from meat it'll kill ur gains
>ps im a hungry skeleton
thank mr skeltal
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No.9571
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No.9575
>>9543
>I'm a freerunner, so I'm personally less interested in gains and more interested in being light
Does a car go slower if you put a bigger engine in it, dumbass?
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No.9579
>>9575
I don't think you know the difference between a freerunner and a runner.
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No.9608
>>9579
I don't think you know about health and fitness.
For starters, don't go here: >>>/fit/
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No.9609
i have nothing against vegans/vegan food in and of themselves, i have a problem with people like >>9465 not living and letting live. a lot of the food i cook for myself winds up being vegan just due to my style of not over-complicating certain recipes and not having a ton of money to buy meat with. lots of lebanese and indian dishes don't require meat in the first place, and that helps me out because i find it confusing that ethical vegans are apparently VERY concerned with trying to simulate meat. if you choose not to eat meat because you find the concept abhorrent (and not because of health reasons/environmental concerns/just disliking meat) why would you spend so much energy trying to find a chemically stabilized mutant of 8 different kinds of grains and soy to let you trick your brain into thinking its meat?
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No.9610
>>9575
>>9608
Dude, you're taking one small thing that I said out of context and calling me a dumbass. I said I'm not interested in gains. The best freerunners I know of are generally very lean and not very big at all. That's not to say they don't have muscle, but I never said I have no interest in muscle, I just have no interest in getting big. If gains doesn't refer to getting big and simply refers to getting in shape, then I take back my statement. However, in the context of >>9508, I'd say he was in fact referring to getting big, which is a topic in which I have no first-hand experience.
>>9609
> i have a problem with people like >>9465 not living and letting live
Maybe because most meat-eaters don't practice this with animals. Most vegans, I'd say about 80% of them actually just keep it to themselves. The other 20% are just more passionate; these are the people who actually want to see the world change for the better and are willing to go out of there way to do something about it. Personally, I'd be lying if I said that I have absolutely no problem with the fact that we as a species enslave and torture animals all to satisfy our taste buds especially when there's a lot of evidence that clearly demonstrates its negative effects on our health and the environment. It's ridiculous.
>i find it confusing that ethical vegans are apparently VERY concerned with trying to simulate meat.
Mock meat products are there to help people transition over to a vegan lifestyle. They're a dietary staple of nobody. Also, while I personally don't really like the taste or texture of meat, most vegans do, even if they don't want to admit it. Let's face it; a good chunk of the world's population would shamelessly proclaim that meat is delicious, but not everybody is comfortable eating dead animals. So let's say you're just starting out on a vegan diet and you do miss the taste of meat but don't want to cause any harm, then these plant-based "meat" products are just for you. Also, if you are going to "YOLO" on your plant-based diet, it might as well be with a plant-based food.
>if you choose not to eat meat because you find the concept abhorrent (and not because of health reasons/environmental concerns/just disliking meat) why would you spend so much energy trying to find a chemically stabilized mutant of 8 different kinds of grains and soy to let you trick your brain into thinking its meat?
First of all, you're describing a very small niche of vegans which I've never even heard of before. Most people go vegan for 3 reasons: environmental, health, and ethical. Considering eating meat has been a part of humanity for quite some time now (albeit nowhere near the quantities of meat we are consuming today), the concept of eating meat isn't exactly "abhorrent" for many people. And in the end, the animals don't really give a shit if you're trying to recreate the taste and texture of meat from plants. They're just happy that they didn't end up on your plate.
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No.9659
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No.9660
>>9375
I also tried veganism by only eating soda and chips. It wasn't meat! huehuehuehuehueheu
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No.9661
>>9377
mentally ill because they know how to get all their nutrition from plant based foods? are you mentally ill?
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No.9662
>>9380
you didn't eat enough plant based foods containing iron I'm guessing?
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No.9663
>>9380
>>9384
See people, this is what the shills post when a huge amount of people are moving away from the standard american diet. the meat and dairy industry's wallets are suffering so they are running around will the "99truth-1lie" scam that is often used everywhere.
>yea veggies are good! yea yea you know that! see! I said veggies are good so you can trust me now! oh yea and here is some more good advice, eat juuuust a little meat or no no, fish because that's totally different! eat juuuust a little fish too! its good for you! cmon!
it's like watching a fat person tell me "ugh my genetics are awful" as they chug a soda. then they tell me "hey buddy, it's totally okay if you drink just a little soda but ONLY sometimes or it's bad for you! they say this because they want to bring everyone else down to their level and feel less bad about themselves and usually don't even realize that they are subconsciously projecting bad advice unto others.
but you know what? FUCK IT. I'm not eating any mercury or polonium tainted fish or meat and dairy products full of hormones. I'm not drinking any fucking soda ever. I don't give a fuck. I can get all my vitamins and minerals, protein and fiber from fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, beans, legumes, and herbs. I'm not even a doctor or a nutritionist. I'm just a normal fucking person who went 90% raw 100% vegan and lost 100 pounds in half a year. I did all my own research and don't even heat or cook fats anymore. I went from eating burgers, pizza, sometimes a salad, icecream, soda, chips, all that shit to eating carrots, apples, spinach, walnuts, oats, beans, and so on. I was a fucking blimp and now I'm between skinny-fat and ottermode. my cholesterol is at the best possible numbers the doctor could even give me, and my bloodwork comes back great. every day I eat a vareity of plant foods and I eat until I get full and then I stop. the bathroom has always been a good experience for me since my change. the only supplements I ever need to take are a certain brand of organic vegan b12 and D3 to avoid cyanide shit and that lanolin shit in cheaper brands.
people bitch and moan and say "veginz r mentul" but that's all they can fucking say. I'll say hi to you in a few years when you have all those health problems you could have avoided.
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No.9664
>>9451
>kikes!
>fake and gay!
>gay and fake!
>huehue!
>pseudo science! ya hear that! I don't believe what hundreds of doctors say!
>who fucking cares!
>the earth will get burned by the sun!
>just be an ignorant dumbass and live your life in complete misguided bliss!
Not if the human race goes vegan so that it can unlog the grease from their brains and build a spaceship to alpha centauri. bitch
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No.9665
>>9455
you didn't give any good arguing points against it genius
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No.9666
>>9473
this anon knows his shit
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No.9667
>>9508
I heard this, but do your own research- pumpkin seeds contain zinc which is good for hormone levels. aside from that I ate lots of peas and beans and nuts and got plenty of protein and fiber. I had to eat alot of it though, but I wanted to and I enjoyed it.
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No.9668
>>9543
vegan here. eating too much soy makes my chest get "boobish" and swollen and gives me acne outbreaks, and I only eat organic soy. if I ease off of it I go back to normal. I still eat soy and I really enjoy it but I try to not overdo it.
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No.9669
>>9575
I dont know if anyone understands your metaphor.
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No.9670
>>9608
holy shit do you even know what a free runner does? ignorant
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No.9671
>>9609
>i have nothing against vegans/vegan food in and of themselves
>i have a problem with people like >>9465 not living and letting live.
Oh, so that's why you joined a vegan thread to sit here like a fool and disagree with them pointlessly over and over again
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No.9672
>>9609
>let you trick your brain into thinking its meat?
are you crazy? why would anyone want to eat meat let alone tricking their brain into thinking a delicious vegetable is meat? I can get all my protein from veggies faggot
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No.9673
>>9610
> i have a problem with people like >>9465 not living and letting live
>Maybe because most meat-eaters don't practice this with animals.
OHHHHH BURRRRNNN
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No.9674
>>9380
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/
>vegetarians have consistently shown to have lower risks for cardiometabolic outcomes and some cancers
>Beyond meatless diets, further avoidance of eggs and dairy products may offer additional benefit
The thing about "a diet of meat, grains, veggies, fruit" etc is that the meat doesn't contribute to the healthfulness, it's the plant foods. "Health-conscious meat eaters" or "meat minimalists" are people who rarely eat meat, but on occasion do, and they still often struggle to keep up health-wise with people who cut the junk out entirely. Does someone who doesn't eat ice cream or drink soda have an eating disorder? I love that vegan icecream though.
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No.9675
>>9366
the minds of meat trolls browsing /ck/:
>meat thread
>skip
>fast food thread for people who gave up on life
>skip
>thread about someone complaining about picky eaters
>skip
>thread about some evil horrible person trying to sneak food picky eater doesn't like into their food to troll them
>skip
>meat thread
>skip
>pls help I flushed my fridge down the toilet
>skip
>YO /ck/ what eat cause wisdom teeth taken out im SICK OF APPLESAUCE
>skip
>thread about tipping
>skip
>thread about crunchy vs creamy peanut butter
>skip
>meat thread
>skip
>vegan thread"hey wanna talk about vegan recipes? I have some sweet potatoes and beans and broccoli"
>WHOA THIS MAKES ME SO MAD I GOTTA GO IN THERE AND TROLL THINGS UP
inside the vegan thread:
>contributing post
>hey this is cool
>recipe
>good post
>HEY GUYS WHY DON'T YOU EAT MEAT
>what
>recipe
>friendly post
>HEY GUYS DID YOU HEAR ME WHY DONT YOU MEAT
>we're vegan, what do you want?
>recipe
>yea that sounds good I love vegetables
>GRRRRRRRRRRR!! WHY WONT YOU LISTEN TO MY MEAT
>what is your problem?
>cool recipe
>some decent comments on other posts
>YOU SHOULD MICROWAVE EVERYTHING AND THEN FRY IT ON TEFLON PANS AND EAT CORN SYRUP
>are you insane? why would I ever do that?
>hey people I just made cashew cheese and kombucha!
>CASHEW CHEESE ISN'T REAL CHEESE
>w-what? anyways I also made almond milk
>ALMONDS DON'T HAVE NIPPLES
why do they come trolling into a thread they have no interest in to start a 500 post feces thunderstorm to prevent people from discussing the topic of the thread? I wonder who could be behind this?
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No.9676
>>9377
>vegans are mentally ill
>this person isn't mad at me because I choose to eat sustainable, nutritionally balanced and plant based foods, avoiding things which have been genetically modified, highly processed, or created in animal versions of nazi concentration camps, but because they are mentally ill, ignorant, american, or a blend of those three.
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No.9677
>>9465
>Face it; the only reason not to go vegan is because you like the taste of meat.
That's kind of a good reason, isn't it? Fuck animals. If god hadn't wanted us to eat them he wouldn't have made them so tasty.
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No.9680
>>9677
there are alot of bad things in the world that seem good to alot of people but are not.
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No.9684
OP here. I'm looking forward to ending the arguing and starting on the OC.
I'm a bit of a new vegan, so my cookbook atm is pretty small, but I've come up with a really good kale salad which will further perpetuate the myth that vegans only eat side dishes. I mean, besides the vegan shepherd's pie here >>9366, although that's a recipe I got from Jamie Oliver's Youtube channel.
So my kale salad consists of purple kale because I can't stand other varieties for some reason (too strong and bitter) which I roughly massage with an avocado that was mashed with nutritional yeast, salt, cayenne and grated raw garlic (that's optional). I then toss it with a chopped tomato, 1/4 can of chickpeas (135g), a tbsp of hemp seeds and a few finely chopped shallots. I then drizzle on a bit of sriracha because… I… I like… sriracha… Although once I run out of store-bought sriracha I'm going to make my own and fill up the bottle.
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No.9685
>>9684
wow nice.
I'm actually the creator of /ckfitvegan/ and I wanted to share this with you. (dont use anything you are allergic to)
instead of chickpease I take black beans and dark red kidney beans, and I grind that up with sesame seeds lemon juice and garlic, and make a darker even healthier hummus. sometimes I overload it with basil and oregano and I use avocado oil instead of olive oil.
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No.9706
So i've been kinda interested in vegan-food lately, not to the point i'l "convert" into it but atleast change 3-4 meals in a week to vegan for both health and money reasons.
What i'm interested in what ingredients are the staples of vegan diet and what are the health benefits of those ingredients like say.. soy grouts (pic related if my translation is fuck'd) etc?
I know you can easily fuck up vegan-diet by eating too much certain stuff high in carbs/protein/sugar and such and then it's no different from just being typical omnivore who tries to eat atleast little bit healthier.
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No.9708
>>9706
/ckfitvegan/ has loads of info on this.
basically so you can avoid being a "junkfood snackatarian" who eats soda and chips and goes "hue hue its not meat!"
seriously please check it out for you, not for me.
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No.9734
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No.9747
>>9734
Not as bioavailable as whey (which just means use a bit more) but 50/50 mix of rice and pea protein powder supposedly makes a protein powder almost as complete (i.e., amino acid profiles) as whey.
Something for vegans to consider, at least.
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No.9749
>>9400
Well yeah, being a vegan is easy when you can get all your protein from cum
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No.9752
there's a brilliant vegan restaurant near me, i eat there every once in a while despite not caring about muh animals
the food is super good, very different from meat centric meals
so i guess it can be great when they don't try to imitate meat or meat based cuisine
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No.9753
>>9747
I've also heard that hemp seeds are a complete protein and give loads of different amino acids.
they also say when you mix rice and beans they complement each other, but I don't eat rice/corn/wheat/or most proccessed or white things. I don't even eat any kind of potatoes or brown rice or whole wheat bread or pasta. I eat alot of dark colorful beans and peas because all that other shit makes me fat. I can eat loads of raw nuts and seeds and avocado as long as I don't cook them they actually make me lose weight. weird right?
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No.9754
>>9747
also, it may not be as insanely bioavailable as whey but I could just eat more peas and by accident I would just get more fiber.
I could eat whey and get some amino acids, or I could eat lots of peas and beans and fruits and veg, nuts, and so on and assuming I ate enough I could get more protein (not that I need that much) but get loads of fiber and vitamins and minerals along the whey hue hue
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No.12997
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No.12999
pretentious faggots. all of them. every single person ive talked to thats told me they are vegan has to be a uppity nigger about it for some reason. First of all, it means nothing to me, because all of them have different definitions on being a vegan. some claim they dont use ANY animal products despite they fact they benefit from immunizations made from animal byproducts so they dont die from goldrush era diseases, live in houses that not long ago were an animal habitat, eat food that kills animals in the farming process, etc. unless you live in the jungle like some savage, you cant be that level of vegan.
most of them are women, so its not like they have any sense or can be rational about anything.
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No.13009
>>12999 Checked
Also, eating meat allowed brain to develop to a level that even allows asking retarded questions like "is eating meat morally good?"
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No.13795
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No.13796
>>9366
Meat is fucking delicious. Cutting meat out of your diet just so you can supposedly live an extra year or two is beyond retarded. Why would you want to spend more time on this planet than you have to? Also life without the finer things, such as meat, leather products, and ice cream, is not worth living.
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No.13797
>>9366
Pretty much everyone I know who became a vegetarian or vegan is miserable and sickly. Seems like they hate themselves but from the moral high ground.
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No.13801
>>9366
8/10 times vegan foods are unappetizing, 9/10 times recipe could be improved by the addition of meat.
I'm not sadistic, but I just don't care about animals at all. I want to eat them and what happens before that is irrelevant, sorry vegans.
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No.13802
>>13797
Same. I knew a girl who used to be really hot, now after becoming a vegan she looks about 10 years older than she actually is and her hair is falling out.
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No.13805
>>13797
Most vegans do it wrong, just like most dieters. I'm mostly vegetarian (I only eat meat maybe once every other week, usually part of a cheat meal) and I'm the healthiest person I know thanks to following /fit/ and Uncle Scooby.
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No.14021
even Gandhi eventually turned on vegans.
Gandhi, the guy who repeatedly starved himself as protest.
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No.14027
>not having a titanium stomach that can safely digest and process any organic matter
>even being susceptible to hormones and heavy metals
>not consuming the flesh of living creatures to nourish and sustain your conquest
>not feeding off the suffering of another sentient being
>having a body so feeble that it is poisoned by otherwise innocuous matter
>not being an omnivore master race
Vegans are worse than flat-earthers tbh
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No.14030
What's your favourite recipe with the nutritional yeast?
>so overpriced
So's other tasty shit, get over it and make some mac n cheese
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No.14031
I think that on the whole the average diet contains too much meat, but that cutting it out entirely is the wrong approach.
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No.14038
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No.14052
>>9668
>I only eat organic soy.
Do you hate rainforests?
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No.14070
>>14030
If you like "earthy tart" (not sure how to explain otherwise), try mixing into unflavored Greek yogurt. I tried with homemade fat-free, but whole-fat (especially if homemade) may have a better mouthful if you like it thick and creamy. But the yeast thickens things pretty well on its own so both might result in chunky to the point of chewy.
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No.14457
>>9374
just buy local you fag
reminder that dietary cholesterol has never been proven to affect blood cholesterol
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No.14467
I love the look and feel of leather, but I'd love a vegan alternative.
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No.14475
>>9374
>implying that cattle farming inst the optimal way to utilize unfarmable grassland
>implying greenhouse gasses / methane are a problem
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No.14925
>>14467
zoa exists but is sorta expensive tbh
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No.14926
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No.14927
>>13801
i'm vegan and fuck the animals it's just that meat is unhealthy in every way and killing the environment
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No.14946
>>14926
>oy vey goyim meat causes cancer
EVERYTHING CAUSES CANCER YOU DUMB NIGGER VEGAN SHIT!
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No.15001
Fish is very nice and delicious, I like fish. I don't care much about meat and can live without it, but how does fish look like on the vegan plan?
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No.15003
>>15001
How high is your sex drive? Insane I bet. Big german cock.
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No.15020
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No.15022
veganism is the white man’s diet.
I am lean and healthy unlike all the fat diabetic ethnics around me.
Not having empathy for animals is a shitskin trait.
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No.15027
i dont give 2 shits about animals or veganism but my diet happens to be vegan. its not great and its not bad. when you visit family you should eat what they eat it's just common courtesy
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No.15028
>>14946
Basically, this. Every act you engage in, from jerking off to eating to running in the sun to working in an environment that contains or once contained plastics to quietly suspending yourself in a sensory deprivation chamber will add onto the same odds that everyone shares of developing cancer.
The only means of ensuring that you never get cancer is the end of your own life, and even that might not work one hundred percent of the time.
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No.15035
All vegan food requires countless animals be slaughtered to prevent them from eating the crops. Unless they only care about cows and chickens they support killing just as many animals.
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No.15079
"Modern foods are killing us: pesticides, chemical fertilizers, groth hormones, radically new genetically-modified crops, too much sugar, too much fat, too much meat. Primitive humans rarely ate meat, but when they did it was typically freshly-killed, always wild game, and usually after putting in several exhausting hours of chase, on foot, with sticks or handmade spears. We modern humans eat something like 3.5 pounds a week–a half-pound per day, every day–of domesticated, fat-laden, hormone-injected, antibiotic-laced, high-tech factory-farmed animal flesh. Little surprise that cancer and other ailments result."
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No.15082
>>15079
The fuck is that garbage? If by primitive humans you mean primitive pre-hominids, then yes, they didn't eat much meat. Meat is what pushed our evolution. Modern man is a nearly carnivorous omnivore. We, like most animals, need plenty of fat to get proper nutrition. Unlike cows and gorillas, we can't turn plant based foods into fatty acids.
Animals like gorillas are hind gut fermenters. They have a huge long colon and a huge cecum. Gorillas eat mostly leafy greens. If a gorilla eats a kilogram of food, about 900 grams of that is water. Of the remaining 100 grams, 11.8g (47 kcal or 58%) is protein, 7.7g (30kcal or 37%) is carbs, and 0.5g (4.5kcal or 5%) is fat. Surely gorillas thrive on a low fat diet? Nope. This does not take into account the short chain fatty acids produced through hind gut fermentation. You see, from the remaining mass of his food, which is cellulose, he ferments about 148kcal of short chain fatty acids, which I will note, are saturated fats. This brings his nutirtion to 20.5% protein, 13.1% carb and 66.4% fat. Where have I seen macros like that before? Maybe in a supposedly meme diet?
Cows are largely the same, except they are foregut fermenters. They have a series of chambers before their true stomach, where bacteria ferment the grass and other greens they eat into fatty acids before primary digestion instead of after. The carbohydrates a cow eats get digested by the fermenting bacteria. A cow's macros end up being 70-80% fat and 20-30% protein. Since the bacteria eat all the carbs, the cows end up with a whopping 0% carb diet.
Carnivores eat herbivores. Guess what carnivore macros look like? 70-80% fat and 20-30% protein. It's actually the same as an herbivorous cow, just from a different source. They also prefer the fattier parts of the animals they kill. In fact, if you look at the macros of any mammal, you will find they are all approximately the same. This includes humans. At one point millions and millions of years ago the creatures we descended from did eat mostly plants. We still have a vestigial cecum. We call it the appendix. Instead of being multiple feet like a gorillas, it's just a few inches. It's not used for much these days, except maybe a place for good bacteria to hide if we get an infection.
Anthropologists and missionaries have been telling us what endogenous and primitive people have been eating for a few centuries now. Do you know what they report? These primitive peoples eat about 60-80% fat, 20-25% protein, and 0-15% carbs. Eskimos would be on the lower carb end, while certain south American and tropical cultures would be on the higher carb end.
cont.
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No.15083
Archaeologically speaking, at the earliest hominid sites we've found in Africa have had tools made for cutting flesh, and the hominid bone have been found next to large piles of discarded animal bones. Cave painting from around the ENTIRE WORLD in Africa, Europe, Asia, and the Americas clearly depict the hunt. This was the most important part of these people's lives. There aren't similar painting of fruit trees or green smoothies. Whenever we've found hominid coprolites fossilized turds they have contained fossilized bird bones, small mammal bones, and fish bones, and even a few feathers, but never plant seeds nor fibers until about 50000 years ago.
About two and a half million years ago, hominids had a sudden jump in brain size. Before then, hominid brains held steady at about 350ml. Then suddenly, our brain size climbed to over 1500ml. So what happened then to make our brains grow? The first ice age started. The vast majority of the planet had a climate similar to Greenland. These ice ages lasted until just a few thousand years ago. Plants suddenly became a lot less common. Around this time, we also see a change in dental development, with the molars shrinking and the canines and incisors getting larger. Again, this is indicative of switching to a meat based diet, which requires much less grinding. The only animals around were fatty mammals. We also know these early hominids cracked open the skulls and bones to get the fatty brains and marrow. This animal fat contains the 20 and 22 chain fatty acids we now know as the essential fatty acids. Like most carnivores, we have little to no ability to convert the plant based 18 chain fatty acids such as ALA to 20 and 22 chain fatty acids like EPA and DHA. Some people are better at it than others, but you would have to eat a ridiculous amount of flax sed every day to convert enough to useful amounts of EPA and DHA. Luckily for vegans, there are some kelps that make small amounts of DHA and EPA that can be extracted and used as a supplement. The point is, without this source of preformed 20 and 22 chain fatty acid in the diet, our brain could never have grown. This is the reason why studies have shown that long term vegans have shrunken brains. They aren't getting the levels of essential (and often non-essential) fatty acids they need to maintain them.
Well, I've written enough of a massive wall of text for today. If anybody wants, I can go into like vegans, human brains in general have shrunk since about 90,000 years ago when we started eating less fat. I can go into Kleiber's law and how compared to most mammals, we have a very oversized brain and a very undersized digestive tract to compensate for it. I can get into ancient and classical references on how fatty meat was prized. The vegans can cry and scream over malformed cherrypicked studies all they want. Humans should be eating mostly meat. Fatty meat at that.
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No.15089
>>15083
>I can go into like vegans, human brains in general have shrunk since about 90,000 years ago when we started eating less fat.
interested in this one
please continue thanks
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No.15090
>>15083
>I can go into [all these things]
yes daddy
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No.15091
>>15083
>This is the reason why studies have shown that long term vegans have shrunken brains.
do you have the studies for this? google gives me nothing
sage for doublepost
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No.15096
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No.15212
>>15096
brain , blood, skin, bones, organs, fat, and meat are still used for food in traditional societies. We waste nothing of the animal. It would be disrespectful.
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No.15277
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No.15278
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Hello!
I just leave that here.
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No.15279
>>9664
We're reaching levels of not an argument that shouldn't be possible.
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No.15280
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
And here you get to a series. For any advice on good Vegan recipes: Look up Lenten dishes. Something Vegan might show up.
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No.15281
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15280
I meant Link to a ebin web series. Well, what the hell. Here's another episode.
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No.15566
>>9374
>>having a significantly lower risk of cancer and heart disease
Typical vegan retardation. Founder of the American vegan society died of a heart attack at 66
>>feeling lighter and overall healthier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFF30jfTubU
>>not supporting cattle farming which has been proven to be the #1 source of greenhouse gases
This is the biggest lie of Veganism. The "study" which determined this was blatantly fraudulent and is repudiated by the scientist who wrote it.
>>less likely to develop erectile dysfunction caused by cholesterol-clogged arteries
Vegan men are gay anyway.
>>not contributing to an industry that is taking food and water away from humans in order to feed their livestock to meet the demands for meat.
Disengenuous lie. Ever heard of pastureland? Are you out in Montana trying to live off the land? Imbecile, cows deserve water more than you
>>having the knowledge that you're not eating someone's mother
The most amazing thing about vegans is they massacre countless animals everyday on their vegetables farms. What do you think industrial pesticides do to rabbit families?
http://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659
At least the vegans pay for their stupidity lol. It's a starvation club for white girls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HwBtRlyxPs
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No.15584
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No.15585
>>15566
Veganism to me is just another fruit of mentall illness in most cases. I know two guys who became vegans/vegetarians in their 20s. Same pattern with both. Both were dissatisfied with their lives, jobs and relationships (or in one case the lack of) and basically with themsleves and both used veganism as a way to punish themselves and bathe in their misery. At the same time they used it to gain the moral high ground: "Well, you have a good career and a nice gf and you SEEM happy BUT you eat animals and that's wrong and you are in reality a bad and irresponsible person that is resonsible for [long list of stuff]. I in contrast sacrifice so much and get mocked instead of thanked…"
I'd say the health of both deteriorated in the following years. Often sick, one gained a lot of weight by replacing meat with chocolate the other started to lose his hair quickly. Also both became pretty insufferable over the years and I'm glad I no longer have contact with them.
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No.15655
>>15585
sad. My new view is that veganism is a starvation cult. A mass-anorexia movement, and they deflect the focus away from that fact, with zany preaching about how "healthy and environmental" veganism is (which it clearly is not)
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No.15715
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No.15716
>>15715
>newfags can't crosslink
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No.15722
>open thread hoping for recipes i could make my vegetarian friends
>all politics
i don't know what i was expecting
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No.15731
>>15722
Vegans keep moving.
/ck/ is a meat board.
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No.15733
>>15722
>What is a salad?
>What are grilled vegetables?
Unless it's a health issue, tell your "friends" to stop being such faggots.
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No.15735
>>9366
The food is not very filling and every vegan I've interacted with personally has been into weird things and chose to be a vegan initially for reasons not concerning its morality despite saying so.
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No.15738
>>15722
>open thread hoping for recipes i could make my vegetarian friends
Here are some I like, I can post recipes if you want.
Quiche
Chili
Dal
Refried bean tacos
Beans and rice
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No.15753
>>15722
I actually like finding vegan recipes too, anon. Usually I'll add meat to them anyways, but they come up with some cool ideas when they're focused on making good dishes instead of meat substitutes. I discovered these apple-based sausages one time that went great when cooked in bacon grease. An egg, cheddar, and BBQ on black bean/hemp burgers can be pretty good as well.
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No.16013
I appreciate the importance of vegan meals as a part of a whole diet. After Lent, I want to get into a better balance where the meat eating is down to 3 or 4 times a week instead of daily, and including more vegan/vegetarian meals instead. What's really frustrating is that most vegan and vegetarian meals tend to be incredibly "ethnic" in style and ingredients. I've got a few "American" style meal ideas I want to test out. Succotash Salad, Rice Pudding (w/ Oatmilk), and a Rhubarb Crumble Caserole. Will report on success, but if you have any suggestions for "American" vegan recipes, please suggest.
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No.16014
>>15722
Any Chilli recipe is pretty easy to make vegan, as meat can be easily replaced by lentils, skipped, or one of the meat substitutes. Cheese/cream in Risotto could be skipped. If you haven't already, you could also try making ratatouille, as it uses no meat. Some people use jack fruit and squashes as a meat substitute in certain dishes, but results are mixed in my experience.
There are also banana ice cream, which use blended frozen bananas instead of cream and milk.
>>16013
>most vegan and vegetarian meals tend to be incredibly "ethnic" in style and ingredients
That's because nutrients that are obtained from animal products in American cuisine need to be provided by plants in Vegan diet. So you need to turn to dishes and ingredients from places that did not commonly eat diary or had limited access to meat or certain animal products. Since vegan diet was not feasible until second half of the 20th century, proper vegan cuisine and its regional verities had no time to develop. Instead it is a Frankenstein monster of various foreign dishes and supplements to compensate for lack of animal products.
You could try using jackfruit in place of meat in BBQ pulled pork/sloppy joes. I ate it on few occasions and its pretty good. I haven't cooked it myself, but going for brined jackfruit in cans is probably the best option, since raw jack fruit fucking reeks and is a pain in the ass to deal with.
Some vegan staples are actually very good depending on situation. I like to use nutritional yeast to thicken sauces and to give them more flavor. Quinoa is very good at making salads filling and to give them more interesting textures and flavor. I also find oat milk better than regular milk for protein shakes, as shaker bottle does not reek if not washed immediately after finishing the shake.
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No.16015
>>16014
I understand why, but it's still a bit annoying. But the fun of working around that vastly outweighs the annoyance! I made the Oatmilk Rice Pudding and it's very tasty! A good breakfast or dessert, and, if tweaked a bit, maybe a good dinner.
4 Cups of Oatmilk
3/4 Cup White Rice
1/2 Cup Brown Sugar
1 tbsp Salt
Ground Allspice to taste (~1-1 1/2 Tbsp)
Preheat oven to 375, mix all ingredients in a bowl, pour into a small-medium sized baking pan (I used a loaf pan), bake for 45 minutes. Remove from oven, stir the contents thoroughly, put back in for another 45 minutes or until top of pudding is golden brown. Let stand for 5 minutes and enjoy!
The great thing about this recipe is its versatility. You can swap just about any part of it for a reasonable alternative; almond milk, coconut milk, brown rice, white sugar, etc. Though you may want to add something that can help solidify it if you do substitute the Oatmilk or Brown Sugar. Maybe a molasses or flour or a banana, just a little though. You can even add in raisins, oranges, or other fruits or even granola to improve the taste. Same with spices like nutmeg, cinnamon, or cardamom. I think next time I'll remove it from loaf pan and brown the bottom for a more crispy treat! As it stands, it's pretty hearty and homely, if I can figure out a way to make it a bit savory it would be a great dinner!
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No.16016
>>16015
Also, next time I'll try using rice milk. The oat milk, while very tasty, is very strong and overpowering. With rice milk, it may give it a more unique flavor.
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No.16020
Veganism is a cancer that needs to die.
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No.16022
>>16014
>Since vegan diet was not feasible until second half of the 20th century
What do you mean?
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No.16028
>>16022
Mass production of vitamins and other dietary supplements started in the 1950s. Early 1950s was also roughly when discovery of B12 happened, its significance was fully realized years later, B12 supplements entered production years after that, and development of modern B12 enriched foods took years following.
Besides that, until mid 20th century many commonly used meat substitutes like tofu were rarities and there was little infrastructure to support these imports. Generally, people had significantly choices when it comes to widely available foods. In most cases people could choose between not consuming animal products or meeting nutritional needs.
If you would want to become a vegan in 1940s, you would just be unhealthy or die due to being unable to meet your nutritional needs. Especially if you lived in a region with long or harsh winters. Even today certain nutrient deficiencies are somewhat common among vegans but nearly absent in non-vegan populations.
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No.16030
>>16020
Says the anon whose flag pictures a vegetable.
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No.16128
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No.16139
I can understand vegetarians, not wanting animals to die. However, I do not understand vegans.
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No.16142
>>16128
It looks better than I would have thought. The stacking is pretty tight, I would have expected a mess. It still looks less appetizing than a 50s jello meal though.
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No.16143
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No.16243
Can I ask for some recipe suggestions please?
I'm looking for a kind of home made snack bar. Something not just full of sugar and syrup. What vegan snacks you can make at home would you recommend?
I don't mind if it's not strictly vegan, like eggs are fine and I can use milk alternatives. Only rules is no tomatoes or soy. Anything else I'm open to or happy to adapt a meat eating recipe with vegetarian options like Quorn.
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No.16251
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No.16252
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No.16260
>>16243
Something with overripe avocado so it's got the consistency of butter. Alternatively underripe avocado diced and fried like potatoes.
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No.16937
>>16143
Is jello even vegan? I'm pretty sure it comes from boiled animal bones.
>>16243
Get some dates (preferably medjool but any will do) and raisins and blend them, the ratio should be about 4:1. Get roughly the same amount of cashews and ground them but not finely. Mix the cashews into the the fruit mixture, flatten and cut into rectangles. Whatever size you prefer.
Stick them in the fridge for a bit and let them cool. You can eat them from there, but they'll be a bit sticky. You can cover them in a thin layer of chocolate as well, it stops them from being sticky.
Trust me, these things are great. You can do anything you want with them, add any ingredient. You can throw in coconut, or cinnamon, or figs, or cut up glazed cherries, etc.
Try these even if you're not vegan, because I'm not. They're cheap and easy to make.
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No.16939
>>16937
substitute jello with agar agar and it's vegan, just has a different texture
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