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How does /ck/ feel about vegan cuisine and/or veganism in general?
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No.15001
Fish is very nice and delicious, I like fish. I don't care much about meat and can live without it, but how does fish look like on the vegan plan?
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No.15003
>>15001
How high is your sex drive? Insane I bet. Big german cock.
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No.15020
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No.15022
veganism is the white man’s diet.
I am lean and healthy unlike all the fat diabetic ethnics around me.
Not having empathy for animals is a shitskin trait.
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No.15027
i dont give 2 shits about animals or veganism but my diet happens to be vegan. its not great and its not bad. when you visit family you should eat what they eat it's just common courtesy
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No.15028
>>14946
Basically, this. Every act you engage in, from jerking off to eating to running in the sun to working in an environment that contains or once contained plastics to quietly suspending yourself in a sensory deprivation chamber will add onto the same odds that everyone shares of developing cancer.
The only means of ensuring that you never get cancer is the end of your own life, and even that might not work one hundred percent of the time.
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No.15035
All vegan food requires countless animals be slaughtered to prevent them from eating the crops. Unless they only care about cows and chickens they support killing just as many animals.
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No.15079
"Modern foods are killing us: pesticides, chemical fertilizers, groth hormones, radically new genetically-modified crops, too much sugar, too much fat, too much meat. Primitive humans rarely ate meat, but when they did it was typically freshly-killed, always wild game, and usually after putting in several exhausting hours of chase, on foot, with sticks or handmade spears. We modern humans eat something like 3.5 pounds a week–a half-pound per day, every day–of domesticated, fat-laden, hormone-injected, antibiotic-laced, high-tech factory-farmed animal flesh. Little surprise that cancer and other ailments result."
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No.15082
>>15079
The fuck is that garbage? If by primitive humans you mean primitive pre-hominids, then yes, they didn't eat much meat. Meat is what pushed our evolution. Modern man is a nearly carnivorous omnivore. We, like most animals, need plenty of fat to get proper nutrition. Unlike cows and gorillas, we can't turn plant based foods into fatty acids.
Animals like gorillas are hind gut fermenters. They have a huge long colon and a huge cecum. Gorillas eat mostly leafy greens. If a gorilla eats a kilogram of food, about 900 grams of that is water. Of the remaining 100 grams, 11.8g (47 kcal or 58%) is protein, 7.7g (30kcal or 37%) is carbs, and 0.5g (4.5kcal or 5%) is fat. Surely gorillas thrive on a low fat diet? Nope. This does not take into account the short chain fatty acids produced through hind gut fermentation. You see, from the remaining mass of his food, which is cellulose, he ferments about 148kcal of short chain fatty acids, which I will note, are saturated fats. This brings his nutirtion to 20.5% protein, 13.1% carb and 66.4% fat. Where have I seen macros like that before? Maybe in a supposedly meme diet?
Cows are largely the same, except they are foregut fermenters. They have a series of chambers before their true stomach, where bacteria ferment the grass and other greens they eat into fatty acids before primary digestion instead of after. The carbohydrates a cow eats get digested by the fermenting bacteria. A cow's macros end up being 70-80% fat and 20-30% protein. Since the bacteria eat all the carbs, the cows end up with a whopping 0% carb diet.
Carnivores eat herbivores. Guess what carnivore macros look like? 70-80% fat and 20-30% protein. It's actually the same as an herbivorous cow, just from a different source. They also prefer the fattier parts of the animals they kill. In fact, if you look at the macros of any mammal, you will find they are all approximately the same. This includes humans. At one point millions and millions of years ago the creatures we descended from did eat mostly plants. We still have a vestigial cecum. We call it the appendix. Instead of being multiple feet like a gorillas, it's just a few inches. It's not used for much these days, except maybe a place for good bacteria to hide if we get an infection.
Anthropologists and missionaries have been telling us what endogenous and primitive people have been eating for a few centuries now. Do you know what they report? These primitive peoples eat about 60-80% fat, 20-25% protein, and 0-15% carbs. Eskimos would be on the lower carb end, while certain south American and tropical cultures would be on the higher carb end.
cont.
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No.15083
Archaeologically speaking, at the earliest hominid sites we've found in Africa have had tools made for cutting flesh, and the hominid bone have been found next to large piles of discarded animal bones. Cave painting from around the ENTIRE WORLD in Africa, Europe, Asia, and the Americas clearly depict the hunt. This was the most important part of these people's lives. There aren't similar painting of fruit trees or green smoothies. Whenever we've found hominid coprolites fossilized turds they have contained fossilized bird bones, small mammal bones, and fish bones, and even a few feathers, but never plant seeds nor fibers until about 50000 years ago.
About two and a half million years ago, hominids had a sudden jump in brain size. Before then, hominid brains held steady at about 350ml. Then suddenly, our brain size climbed to over 1500ml. So what happened then to make our brains grow? The first ice age started. The vast majority of the planet had a climate similar to Greenland. These ice ages lasted until just a few thousand years ago. Plants suddenly became a lot less common. Around this time, we also see a change in dental development, with the molars shrinking and the canines and incisors getting larger. Again, this is indicative of switching to a meat based diet, which requires much less grinding. The only animals around were fatty mammals. We also know these early hominids cracked open the skulls and bones to get the fatty brains and marrow. This animal fat contains the 20 and 22 chain fatty acids we now know as the essential fatty acids. Like most carnivores, we have little to no ability to convert the plant based 18 chain fatty acids such as ALA to 20 and 22 chain fatty acids like EPA and DHA. Some people are better at it than others, but you would have to eat a ridiculous amount of flax sed every day to convert enough to useful amounts of EPA and DHA. Luckily for vegans, there are some kelps that make small amounts of DHA and EPA that can be extracted and used as a supplement. The point is, without this source of preformed 20 and 22 chain fatty acid in the diet, our brain could never have grown. This is the reason why studies have shown that long term vegans have shrunken brains. They aren't getting the levels of essential (and often non-essential) fatty acids they need to maintain them.
Well, I've written enough of a massive wall of text for today. If anybody wants, I can go into like vegans, human brains in general have shrunk since about 90,000 years ago when we started eating less fat. I can go into Kleiber's law and how compared to most mammals, we have a very oversized brain and a very undersized digestive tract to compensate for it. I can get into ancient and classical references on how fatty meat was prized. The vegans can cry and scream over malformed cherrypicked studies all they want. Humans should be eating mostly meat. Fatty meat at that.
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No.15089
>>15083
>I can go into like vegans, human brains in general have shrunk since about 90,000 years ago when we started eating less fat.
interested in this one
please continue thanks
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No.15090
>>15083
>I can go into [all these things]
yes daddy
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No.15091
>>15083
>This is the reason why studies have shown that long term vegans have shrunken brains.
do you have the studies for this? google gives me nothing
sage for doublepost
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No.15096
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No.15212
>>15096
brain , blood, skin, bones, organs, fat, and meat are still used for food in traditional societies. We waste nothing of the animal. It would be disrespectful.
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No.15277
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No.15278
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Hello!
I just leave that here.
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No.15279
>>9664
We're reaching levels of not an argument that shouldn't be possible.
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No.15280
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And here you get to a series. For any advice on good Vegan recipes: Look up Lenten dishes. Something Vegan might show up.
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No.15281
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>>15280
I meant Link to a ebin web series. Well, what the hell. Here's another episode.
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No.15566
>>9374
>>having a significantly lower risk of cancer and heart disease
Typical vegan retardation. Founder of the American vegan society died of a heart attack at 66
>>feeling lighter and overall healthier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFF30jfTubU
>>not supporting cattle farming which has been proven to be the #1 source of greenhouse gases
This is the biggest lie of Veganism. The "study" which determined this was blatantly fraudulent and is repudiated by the scientist who wrote it.
>>less likely to develop erectile dysfunction caused by cholesterol-clogged arteries
Vegan men are gay anyway.
>>not contributing to an industry that is taking food and water away from humans in order to feed their livestock to meet the demands for meat.
Disengenuous lie. Ever heard of pastureland? Are you out in Montana trying to live off the land? Imbecile, cows deserve water more than you
>>having the knowledge that you're not eating someone's mother
The most amazing thing about vegans is they massacre countless animals everyday on their vegetables farms. What do you think industrial pesticides do to rabbit families?
http://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659
At least the vegans pay for their stupidity lol. It's a starvation club for white girls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HwBtRlyxPs
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No.15584
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No.15585
>>15566
Veganism to me is just another fruit of mentall illness in most cases. I know two guys who became vegans/vegetarians in their 20s. Same pattern with both. Both were dissatisfied with their lives, jobs and relationships (or in one case the lack of) and basically with themsleves and both used veganism as a way to punish themselves and bathe in their misery. At the same time they used it to gain the moral high ground: "Well, you have a good career and a nice gf and you SEEM happy BUT you eat animals and that's wrong and you are in reality a bad and irresponsible person that is resonsible for [long list of stuff]. I in contrast sacrifice so much and get mocked instead of thanked…"
I'd say the health of both deteriorated in the following years. Often sick, one gained a lot of weight by replacing meat with chocolate the other started to lose his hair quickly. Also both became pretty insufferable over the years and I'm glad I no longer have contact with them.
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No.15655
>>15585
sad. My new view is that veganism is a starvation cult. A mass-anorexia movement, and they deflect the focus away from that fact, with zany preaching about how "healthy and environmental" veganism is (which it clearly is not)
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No.15715
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No.15716
>>15715
>newfags can't crosslink
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No.15722
>open thread hoping for recipes i could make my vegetarian friends
>all politics
i don't know what i was expecting
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No.15731
>>15722
Vegans keep moving.
/ck/ is a meat board.
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No.15733
>>15722
>What is a salad?
>What are grilled vegetables?
Unless it's a health issue, tell your "friends" to stop being such faggots.
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No.15735
>>9366
The food is not very filling and every vegan I've interacted with personally has been into weird things and chose to be a vegan initially for reasons not concerning its morality despite saying so.
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No.15738
>>15722
>open thread hoping for recipes i could make my vegetarian friends
Here are some I like, I can post recipes if you want.
Quiche
Chili
Dal
Refried bean tacos
Beans and rice
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No.15753
>>15722
I actually like finding vegan recipes too, anon. Usually I'll add meat to them anyways, but they come up with some cool ideas when they're focused on making good dishes instead of meat substitutes. I discovered these apple-based sausages one time that went great when cooked in bacon grease. An egg, cheddar, and BBQ on black bean/hemp burgers can be pretty good as well.
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No.16013
I appreciate the importance of vegan meals as a part of a whole diet. After Lent, I want to get into a better balance where the meat eating is down to 3 or 4 times a week instead of daily, and including more vegan/vegetarian meals instead. What's really frustrating is that most vegan and vegetarian meals tend to be incredibly "ethnic" in style and ingredients. I've got a few "American" style meal ideas I want to test out. Succotash Salad, Rice Pudding (w/ Oatmilk), and a Rhubarb Crumble Caserole. Will report on success, but if you have any suggestions for "American" vegan recipes, please suggest.
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No.16014
>>15722
Any Chilli recipe is pretty easy to make vegan, as meat can be easily replaced by lentils, skipped, or one of the meat substitutes. Cheese/cream in Risotto could be skipped. If you haven't already, you could also try making ratatouille, as it uses no meat. Some people use jack fruit and squashes as a meat substitute in certain dishes, but results are mixed in my experience.
There are also banana ice cream, which use blended frozen bananas instead of cream and milk.
>>16013
>most vegan and vegetarian meals tend to be incredibly "ethnic" in style and ingredients
That's because nutrients that are obtained from animal products in American cuisine need to be provided by plants in Vegan diet. So you need to turn to dishes and ingredients from places that did not commonly eat diary or had limited access to meat or certain animal products. Since vegan diet was not feasible until second half of the 20th century, proper vegan cuisine and its regional verities had no time to develop. Instead it is a Frankenstein monster of various foreign dishes and supplements to compensate for lack of animal products.
You could try using jackfruit in place of meat in BBQ pulled pork/sloppy joes. I ate it on few occasions and its pretty good. I haven't cooked it myself, but going for brined jackfruit in cans is probably the best option, since raw jack fruit fucking reeks and is a pain in the ass to deal with.
Some vegan staples are actually very good depending on situation. I like to use nutritional yeast to thicken sauces and to give them more flavor. Quinoa is very good at making salads filling and to give them more interesting textures and flavor. I also find oat milk better than regular milk for protein shakes, as shaker bottle does not reek if not washed immediately after finishing the shake.
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No.16015
>>16014
I understand why, but it's still a bit annoying. But the fun of working around that vastly outweighs the annoyance! I made the Oatmilk Rice Pudding and it's very tasty! A good breakfast or dessert, and, if tweaked a bit, maybe a good dinner.
4 Cups of Oatmilk
3/4 Cup White Rice
1/2 Cup Brown Sugar
1 tbsp Salt
Ground Allspice to taste (~1-1 1/2 Tbsp)
Preheat oven to 375, mix all ingredients in a bowl, pour into a small-medium sized baking pan (I used a loaf pan), bake for 45 minutes. Remove from oven, stir the contents thoroughly, put back in for another 45 minutes or until top of pudding is golden brown. Let stand for 5 minutes and enjoy!
The great thing about this recipe is its versatility. You can swap just about any part of it for a reasonable alternative; almond milk, coconut milk, brown rice, white sugar, etc. Though you may want to add something that can help solidify it if you do substitute the Oatmilk or Brown Sugar. Maybe a molasses or flour or a banana, just a little though. You can even add in raisins, oranges, or other fruits or even granola to improve the taste. Same with spices like nutmeg, cinnamon, or cardamom. I think next time I'll remove it from loaf pan and brown the bottom for a more crispy treat! As it stands, it's pretty hearty and homely, if I can figure out a way to make it a bit savory it would be a great dinner!
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No.16016
>>16015
Also, next time I'll try using rice milk. The oat milk, while very tasty, is very strong and overpowering. With rice milk, it may give it a more unique flavor.
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No.16020
Veganism is a cancer that needs to die.
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No.16022
>>16014
>Since vegan diet was not feasible until second half of the 20th century
What do you mean?
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No.16028
>>16022
Mass production of vitamins and other dietary supplements started in the 1950s. Early 1950s was also roughly when discovery of B12 happened, its significance was fully realized years later, B12 supplements entered production years after that, and development of modern B12 enriched foods took years following.
Besides that, until mid 20th century many commonly used meat substitutes like tofu were rarities and there was little infrastructure to support these imports. Generally, people had significantly choices when it comes to widely available foods. In most cases people could choose between not consuming animal products or meeting nutritional needs.
If you would want to become a vegan in 1940s, you would just be unhealthy or die due to being unable to meet your nutritional needs. Especially if you lived in a region with long or harsh winters. Even today certain nutrient deficiencies are somewhat common among vegans but nearly absent in non-vegan populations.
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No.16030
>>16020
Says the anon whose flag pictures a vegetable.
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No.16128
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No.16139
I can understand vegetarians, not wanting animals to die. However, I do not understand vegans.
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No.16142
>>16128
It looks better than I would have thought. The stacking is pretty tight, I would have expected a mess. It still looks less appetizing than a 50s jello meal though.
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No.16143
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No.16243
Can I ask for some recipe suggestions please?
I'm looking for a kind of home made snack bar. Something not just full of sugar and syrup. What vegan snacks you can make at home would you recommend?
I don't mind if it's not strictly vegan, like eggs are fine and I can use milk alternatives. Only rules is no tomatoes or soy. Anything else I'm open to or happy to adapt a meat eating recipe with vegetarian options like Quorn.
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No.16251
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No.16252
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No.16260
>>16243
Something with overripe avocado so it's got the consistency of butter. Alternatively underripe avocado diced and fried like potatoes.
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No.16937
>>16143
Is jello even vegan? I'm pretty sure it comes from boiled animal bones.
>>16243
Get some dates (preferably medjool but any will do) and raisins and blend them, the ratio should be about 4:1. Get roughly the same amount of cashews and ground them but not finely. Mix the cashews into the the fruit mixture, flatten and cut into rectangles. Whatever size you prefer.
Stick them in the fridge for a bit and let them cool. You can eat them from there, but they'll be a bit sticky. You can cover them in a thin layer of chocolate as well, it stops them from being sticky.
Trust me, these things are great. You can do anything you want with them, add any ingredient. You can throw in coconut, or cinnamon, or figs, or cut up glazed cherries, etc.
Try these even if you're not vegan, because I'm not. They're cheap and easy to make.
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No.16939
>>16937
substitute jello with agar agar and it's vegan, just has a different texture
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